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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, July 03, 2017, 09:31 (162 days ago)

This weekend our unelected municipal representatives who get paid too much to do too little voted 12 to 3 to rescind the mayor's order banning tour buses from La Ropa. With their illogical decision La Ropa just lost any pretension of its luxury status and will now become the main beach of choice for folks who can't afford to use the restaurants or hotels there, which logically means the folks who CAN afford those hotels and restaurants will seek elsewhere to go where they don't have to trip over dirty diapers and beer cans on the beach or listen to bus engines running all day and all night long since the buses also serve as hotels on wheels for their passengers. I guess I don't have to elaborate on how furious and let down I am by our irresponsible authorities.

For over 20 years I have worked hard to attract tourists to La Ropa and the rest of our region who have the high purchasing power we need to sustain our growing local population. But vote-grubbing politicians and wandering vendors have decided that all my work is for nothing and that they prefer to have 30 thousand tourists of low purchasing power instead of a thousand tourists with high purchasing power at Zihuatanejo's only beach with true luxury-class lodgings, because that's what they'll need to come even close to making up for the tourism we continue losing due to the poor choices and omission of duties made by our elected and unelected officials.

Now that the tour buses have the official blessing of the local government we can expect the services for those passengers to increase. More wandering vendors. More cheap food stands with no running water or bathrooms. More unfair competition for the local taxpaying businesses.

We can only hope this matter isn't over and that wiser heads will prevail, but for the moment I am thoroughly disgusted with my local unelected representatives.

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by Susan G @, Zihua/La Ropa, Monday, July 03, 2017, 10:56 (162 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I'm very sad to hear this. The road (recently paved 2 years ago) will break up quickly and cause the city to spend millions of pesos and traffic jams to repave it.

Who owns the piece of land where the giant buses park? Perhaps the owner(s) should close off the area and charge a large parking fee PER HOUR like other parking lots do.

Perhaps also the owner(s) could stipulate that the buses not keep motors running. At least this would limit the parking time.

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by moonbird1 @, Monday, July 03, 2017, 12:30 (162 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Thank,s for the update Rob. That,s very disappointing news to read, after you have previously quite clearly detailed the disadvantages.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, July 03, 2017, 12:52 (162 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Since my comments have already been twisted on Facebook by longtime reader Tess who is telling folks I don't want poor people at La Ropa, let me specifically state that this has nothing to do with the economy of folks who go to La Ropa by foot or using local transport if they don't have their own. Folks from all walks of life continue to be and have always been welcome at La Ropa. Our local beef is with tour operators who sell bus trips to La Ropa from the inland cities to folks who can't afford any of the established services there. Besides the traffic chaos, the noise from the buses running all day and all night, the garbage and the use of the great outdoors as a public bathroom, such out-of-synch marketing of La Ropa foments an informal economy that is damaging property values and making La Ropa less attractive for the tourists and longer-term visitors who represent a greater source of income per capita than the tour bus passengers. It has nothing to do with nationality, color of skin or economic level and everything to do with protecting an important market segment of our local tourist offering. Tess asserts I am in favor of "La Ropa for the rich". No Tess, while I may not be as pure a proletariat as you, I just want to make sure that at least some of "the rich" keep coming and wanting to invest in La Ropa.

Thankyouverymuch for your time, ladies and gentlemen.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Tuesday, July 04, 2017, 03:35 (161 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:

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by Lilyana, Tuesday, July 04, 2017, 19:27 (161 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:

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by Eli, Monday, July 03, 2017, 13:26 (162 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Thank you, Rob, for this..I couldn,t quite understand the Spanish on Facebook. I agree with you. I use Madera beach everyday all winter (6 months) and it hosts local people and I lové it. The local people don,t throw trash around, but the Mexican visitors from busses do throw garbage around. Maybe I need to find another beach town..but I love my Mexican family and friends in Zihua!! Worried.

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by midalake @, Monday, July 03, 2017, 13:28 (162 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Ixtapa and Playa Palmar. No diapers, clean beach and waters WITH beautiful people. OH!, and no idling buses.

;-)

D

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by Canada1 @, Monday, July 03, 2017, 15:30 (162 days ago) @ midalake

Ixtapa and Playa Palmar. No diapers, clean beach and waters WITH beautiful people. OH!, and no idling buses.

;-)

D

:megusta:

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Tuesday, July 04, 2017, 03:33 (161 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta: Totally in agreement with you Rob! Rotten deal for all the top end small places trying to offer an higher end product...

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Tuesday, July 04, 2017, 13:59 (161 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
edited by jaui, Tuesday, July 04, 2017, 14:08

:megusta:

Just to clarify.....Your post was excellent;
The decision you clearly outlined, made by the IRRESPONSIBLE "municipal representatives" was TERRIBLE :nono: :-/ .

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by Charlybby, Tuesday, July 04, 2017, 18:52 (161 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

So very saddened by this! We spend 6 months in Zihua & it has truly got worse! We hardly went to La Ropa & our fav places because of the Mexican tourists & huge # of buses. Didn't dare go in the water for a week.....then it starts all over again! Wish there was something we could do about it! Guess we'll have to continue going to Larga:-(

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by Quadra Paul @, Friday, July 07, 2017, 22:24 (158 days ago) @ Charlybby

I'm heading for Troncones!

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by Sunshine, Canada, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Tuesday, July 04, 2017, 22:59 (161 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

La Ropa is poorly equipped to handle growth in tourism as well as any of the other beaches, it really is unfortunate that all cannot enjoy both those supporting restaurants and those that picnic on the beach. Since there is no money invested for public washrooms, garbage and recycle bins throughout the beaches( far and few between) , how do you make improvements for all to enjoy.? We have to remember the beaches do not belong to the restaurant owners or I am wrong.
I have visited during Easter and the garbage on the beaches was sickening and of course with no public washrooms......
Bad deal for all involved.

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by Charlybby, Thursday, July 06, 2017, 02:36 (159 days ago) @ Sunshine

Totally agree! So very sad & you nailed it! Gracias!:-) :brilliant:

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by JeffMN ⌂ @, Minneapolis MN USA, Wednesday, July 05, 2017, 12:29 (160 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Rob, you may have posted contact info. for local officials before, but I'm not finding it. For what it's worth, I'd like to register my concern with them -- even though it sounds like they couldn't care less. Maybe if enough of us did so, they'd have to listen.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Wednesday, July 05, 2017, 12:57 (160 days ago) @ JeffMN

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Think a few comments would be louder?

Keith

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, July 05, 2017, 13:49 (160 days ago) @ JeffMN

Rob, you may have posted contact info. for local officials before, but I'm not finding it. For what it's worth, I'd like to register my concern with them -- even though it sounds like they couldn't care less. Maybe if enough of us did so, they'd have to listen.

Unfortunately this municipal government is one of the least if not THE least accessible we've ever had. Their website has even ceased working altogether, and I have no public contact info for them other than their Facebook page and their phone number on my Useful Phone Numbers page.

Besides the social media, leaving your comments here is as good a place as any.

Here are the government's only relevant official tourism-related webpages we have available for giving feedback besides the socal media.

Secretaría de Turismo (SECTUR) - http://www.gob.mx/sectur/#198

Secretaría de Turismo de Guerrero - http://guerrero.gob.mx/dependencias/secretaria-de-turismo/#contacto

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by Charlybby, Thursday, July 06, 2017, 02:41 (159 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Gracias Rob! For what it's worth, will try & lodge a complaint or at least let them know how so may of us are not happy with their decisions:yawn:

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by PattyNJ/Zihua @, Thursday, July 06, 2017, 17:38 (159 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I must say something here. I find it so hard to believe that American's (USA) and people from Canada find it so appalling the Mexicans want to use a public beach in Mexico. I wonder how they would feel if they were denied the same right in there countries. We have been going to La Ropa for over 18 years and never thought the Mexicans did not belong on the beach. Shame on all of you.

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by Emmet ⌂ @, Seattle WA, Thursday, July 06, 2017, 18:00 (159 days ago) @ PattyNJ/Zihua

You might want to re-read the issue clearly stated in Rob's "For Clarity" post....

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by PattyNJ/Zihua @, Thursday, July 06, 2017, 18:11 (159 days ago) @ Emmet

I did and I still stand behind what I have written. In my years on La Ropa I witnessed more garbage for the locals the from people coming on busses. They were very respectful of the beach. The next group I would blame for leaving their garbage behind would be passengers on the many cruise ships from years past. I was there I saw it. I agree La Ropa needs to upgraded with public toilets.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, July 06, 2017, 19:27 (159 days ago) @ PattyNJ/Zihua

I did and I still stand behind what I have written. In my years on La Ropa I witnessed more garbage for the locals the from people coming on busses. They were very respectful of the beach. The next group I would blame for leaving their garbage behind would be passengers on the many cruise ships from years past. I was there I saw it. I agree La Ropa needs to upgraded with public toilets.

I don't recall where you stay, but apparently it isn't in a luxury lodging with a dozen buses running their motors all day right outside your window.

I keep trying to stress this isn't an issue of class, it's about the busses. But it's also bad business to allow people who don't live here to profit by sending tourists to a beach where they can't afford any of the established businesses, including the public restrooms.

I seriously doubt the people you thought were locals left more garbage than the visitors who bring coolers and bags full of groceries bought before they even left home. I'll just have to respectfully disagree about that. Garbage on the beach and tourists always go together. La Ropa has never had adequate garbage cans nor pickup. No reason to expect something now they've never been able to provide before. Property owners have a valid claim to not want to see their property values deteriorate further, but with busses full of people using the bathroom outdoors and tossing their garbage in the woods, the deterioration to the ecology is inevitable, especially if they start building more parking lots to accommodate the busses and their garbage and other services bus passengers need.

La Ropa Beach has for too long been overwhelmed by the tour busses and their passengers. So is Las Gatas. So is La Isla. So is Playa Linda. The ecological damage is already visible to these places for allowing an excessive number of people to visit them at the same time.

In most any other town, beachside or inland, if I arrive by bus I usually don't expect to arrive to my final destination. I almost always have to either walk a long distance or take some other transportation to reach my final destination. La Ropa was built as a residential and small hotel area. Not as a bus depot. Why would anyone expect it to be one? Why continue allowing travel agents who don't live here to sell tours that harm our local ecology and infrastructure as well as jeopardize our own tourism industry? Makes no sense to me, but then I have to live and work here.

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by Ottawa Joe, Thursday, July 06, 2017, 19:59 (159 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Although I have no idea when we shall return we are right behind you on this Rob. We took a bus to Morelia, PV, Mazatlan, Los Mochis and Chihuahua this past January and February, we were not dropped off on the beach or on the main walking street we went to the bus station and then decided where we were going. It will be destructive to the neighbourhood, good luck with the fight. I'll send a message to the embassy here in Ottawa you never know what is the tipping point.

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by Charlybby, Friday, July 07, 2017, 00:27 (158 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Thank you Rob!!!!! I know the majority agree with you! Don't understand Patty? comment.:-)

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by John Redcorn, Friday, July 07, 2017, 07:37 (158 days ago) @ PattyNJ/Zihua

Take a walk down to the south end of La Ropa on a Sunday. The buses are parked in a dirt lot, trash everywhere. The streets are filthy. You will witness people dropping trash on the beach and street with no regard.

As I mentioned in another post, this past trip I was driving near the Bombero station with my family when one of the drunk tourist was taking a piss in the middle of the road next to his tour bus. Mid day, dick out and had to hold on to the bus to remain upright. Glad my daughter was looking out the other window.

I don't care if you are from Pluto. If you can't clean up after yourself and control your behaviour, you are not the kind of folks I want to be around on my vacation.

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by gemini67, Friday, July 07, 2017, 08:20 (158 days ago) @ John Redcorn

Lo siento mucho, I think it might have been the bus driver!

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by Mexalberta @, Friday, July 07, 2017, 08:34 (158 days ago) @ John Redcorn

Sounds like Daytona Beach

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by Mork, Friday, July 07, 2017, 00:34 (158 days ago) @ PattyNJ/Zihua

I'm with you Patty.

This whole post is filled with Stakeholders. Fortunately, Mexico decided years ago that their beaches were for everyone. Hawaii did the same, and despite the giant hotels, one is still free to walk the length of Waikiki.

I once drove from Colorado to San Francisco just to show 2 friends the Pacific Ocean. Shame on those that would try to exclude citizens. Talk to the bus operators and give them a place to park. Zihua does this to some degree downtown and in La Madera.

Mork

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, July 07, 2017, 09:27 (158 days ago) @ Mork

I'm with you Patty.

This whole post is filled with Stakeholders. Fortunately, Mexico decided years ago that their beaches were for everyone. Hawaii did the same, and despite the giant hotels, one is still free to walk the length of Waikiki.

I once drove from Colorado to San Francisco just to show 2 friends the Pacific Ocean. Shame on those that would try to exclude citizens. Talk to the bus operators and give them a place to park. Zihua does this to some degree downtown and in La Madera.

Mork

I must keep missing the part where anyone is being denied beach access to La Ropa, as you state here and give your support to PattyNJ/Zihua for making the same comment. My reading comprehension must be seriously failing me, because not only do I not see where anyone is being denied beach access, I don't even see where this is an issue. The general public is denied access to Playas Las Cuatas and Playa Rodrigo and Playa Vistahermosa in Ixtapa, yet I hear not a peep from any of my readers. Only regarding banning tour busses to La Ropa, for which we are being accused of being racist, elitist and bourgeois.
:wtf:

Why would you be okay with someone making their money by sending busses of tourists to a beach where those folks can't afford any of the services? Do you not see the problem? ONE of those problems has been the arrival by the dozen of unlicensed non-tax-paying vendors who sell seafoods and drinks, some occupying beachfront land they are essentially trying to steal such as the area around La Gaviota restaurant.

I'm pretty sure beachfront hotel zones in most of the USA don't accept tour busses of low-income families to park and disembark their passengers just anywhere. There are some large public beach parks on both coasts of Florida with facilities capable of handling some busses including parking, picnic tables, grills and public bathrooms, but not an endless number of them every day. La Ropa doesn't have any of those facilities, it was never designed to receive busses, and we don't appreciate it being marketed as such a place as if it were a public beach park. It simply is not. Why is this so controversial?

Anyone who wishes to visit La Ropa Beach is welcome to as long as they abide by certain rules and standards of acceptable conduct, just like at any of our beaches. But it is inherently unfair both to the locals and to the tourists to continue allowing the mass marketing of La Ropa as a destination for low-income tourists to arrive by tour bus. I hope we can all agree on that.

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by katherine @, Friday, July 07, 2017, 16:52 (158 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:

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by jbmass ⌂ @, Mass,.. N.H...Zih., Saturday, July 08, 2017, 17:01 (157 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Saturday, July 08, 2017, 17:47 (157 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:

Well said. ;-)

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Saturday, July 08, 2017, 18:03 (157 days ago) @ Mork

7/08/2017

Hello Mork

An excerpt from your post.....
" despite the giant hotels, one is still free to walk the length of Waikiki."

Likewise, I am free to walk the length of the beach strip in Ixtapa where the hotels are, and at la playa de La Ropa, etc., no problem whatsoever.

Should I want to arrive to one of those beaches, I do it either on foot, using local transportation such as la Urvan, Micorobus, or, a taxi.
I have no problem with that.
IF I was coming here from out of town, I would not expect a large tour / passenger transportation bus, of the size that holds 40+ passengers, to bring me to just about to the edge of the beach, OR enter an area, especially mainly residential, that for obvious reasons, is not apt for that type of vehicle.

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by Lola, Thursday, July 06, 2017, 10:02 (159 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Rob or anyone else - when did this start happening? Where do the buses park? I don't recall seeing much of this when I was there in January. Seems like an odd decision considering past attempts to "beautify" the beach.

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by Charlybby, Friday, July 07, 2017, 00:32 (158 days ago) @ Lola

But....don't bring dogs!! Lol....new/old argument :wtf: :omg:

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by svenobs, Saturday, July 08, 2017, 20:26 (157 days ago) @ Charlybby

The road from La madera to La ropa should not have large trucks or buses on it.