Calling out Labrat

by Easy Ed, Monday, January 01, 2018, 09:38 (168 days ago)

Your post on the assasination/shooting thread here here is your third recently attacking the media.
None of these posts cited any example of media sins. They simply attacked all media.
Your posts don't suggest you are likely to grasp the damage you do when you defame journalists in such a cowardly way.
I ignored the first couple of posts because life is too short to get involved with some jerk of little wit or education who devotes a sad amount of time sharing his views on this site.
But this is three strikes, Labrat. The baboon in the White House may lead you to believe it's acceptable to attack all the men and women who devote their lives to journalism, but it's not.
Like Trump, you are spewing hate with your fact-free denigration of a bedrock of democracy.
I'm guessing you long ago forgot how to blush, but the following account, which includes specific reference to people dying fighting crime in Mexico, might tickle any tiny remnant of conscience in your fat head.


SAMUEL PETREQUIN
PARIS
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
PUBLISHED DECEMBER 19, 2017
UPDATED DECEMBER 19, 2017
A total of 65 journalists and media workers were killed in 2017, the lowest toll in 14 years, according to figures released on Tuesday by Reporters Without Borders.

The non-governmental organization said 60 per cent of those killed were murdered. It added that 326 people working in media – including 202 professional journalists – are also being detained.

According to RSF, 26 people "were killed in the course of their work, the collateral victims of a deadly situation such as an air strike, an artillery bombardment, or a suicide bombing."

It said the remaining 39 "were murdered, and deliberately targeted because their reporting threatened political, economic, or criminal interests."

Overall, RSF said the decrease in deaths is due to journalists fleeing "countries such as Syria, Yemen and Libya that have become too dangerous." But it also noted "a growing awareness of the need to protect journalists."

RSF stressed that some countries which are not at war have become as dangerous for reporters as war zones, with 46 per cent of deaths occurring in such places in 2017, as against 30 per cent the previous year.

Syria was the deadliest country for journalists, with 12 killed, one more than in Mexico where many journalists have "either fled abroad or abandoned journalism."

The overall downward trend did not apply to women, as 10 female reporters were killed this year, double the previous year's total.

RSF said many of the female victims were "experienced and determined investigative reporters with an abrasive writing style."

Behind Syria and Mexico, the deadliest countries for reporters were Afghanistan, where nine journalists were killed in 2017, and Iraq where eight perished. With four journalists gunned down, the Philippines was Asia's deadliest country.

Calling out Labrat

by Tess @, Monday, January 01, 2018, 11:13 (168 days ago) @ Easy Ed

Thank you!

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by Lilyana, Monday, January 01, 2018, 12:31 (168 days ago) @ Tess

Thank you times two! Happy New Year everyone!

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Calling out Labrat

by samy, Monday, January 01, 2018, 13:09 (168 days ago) @ Easy Ed

Labrat is an authority of most things in his own mind. His animosity towards journalists and the media is Trumponian and a result of his fear of truth. He has embraced the "alternate truth" practice of this administration and firmly believes that telling the same untruth over and over modifies it to become his truth. There is no point in wasting energy presenting facts with the expectation of his seeing things differently-facts are for sissies in Labratland. When someone posts anything that he disagrees with he will respond with what he sees as a superior, witty one liner and a mocking "y'all". When the conversation turns to politics as it will do when the President is an obnoxious buffoon he will often declare it is time to pull the plug but he finds a way to insinuate his thoughts into the fray. As far as I am concerned Labrat knows a lot of nothing and is more than happy to share this knowledge.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Monday, January 01, 2018, 13:17 (168 days ago) @ samy

While I tend to disagree with Keith's politics, I think your comments are uncalled for.

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Calling out Labrat

by Easy Ed, Monday, January 01, 2018, 13:56 (168 days ago) @ frostbite

With respect, frostbite, samy's comments and my own are very much called for when a poster continually uses the anonymity of this site to erode confidence in the free press, a goal now being actively pursued by dictators and thugs everywhere.
Labrat is the kid hiding behind his big brother and throwing rocks at people.
He's Putin's catamite and needs to be confronted when he launches sneering attacks on his betters in the working media and defiles the memory of heros in process.

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by ZihuaRx @, Monday, January 01, 2018, 14:20 (168 days ago) @ Easy Ed

At the risk of being called a "jerk of little wit" or a "fat head", shouldn't one question the media? Don't you think with the past history of CNN and Fox news they should be questioned and not every article should be taken as gospel. Call me a fat head (or don't), but I believe that most or all media outlets have a bias. Right now I am reading an article by Sadhguru. He's crazy enough to believe that we are all connected. Wouldn't it be great if we were because if we were connected we probably wouldn't tell ourselves that we are a fathead. Wishing all the best for everyone in 2018.

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Media Bias

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, January 01, 2018, 15:21 (168 days ago) @ ZihuaRx

At the risk of being called a "jerk of little wit" or a "fat head", shouldn't one question the media? Don't you think with the past history of CNN and Fox news they should be questioned and not every article should be taken as gospel. Call me a fat head (or don't), but I believe that most or all media outlets have a bias. Right now I am reading an article by Sadhguru. He's crazy enough to believe that we are all connected. Wouldn't it be great if we were because if we were connected we probably wouldn't tell ourselves that we are a fathead. Wishing all the best for everyone in 2018.

I doubt most people believe anything just because they see or hear it on TV. Personal bias is an even bigger distorter of truth than media bias, IMHO. No doubt Faux Snooze has a large hand in the dumbing down Teahadist division of U.S. citizens by preying on people’s fears and hatreds while flat out lying and heavily distorting news, and no doubt whatsoever that mainstream media allowed themselves to be played when they dropped the ball and appeared almost jovial at the events leading up to the wars in the Falkland Islands, Grenada, Panama, Iraq and Libya, all monuments to corruption and greed. And the recent presidential electoral process from the primaries where the media reported each and every fart The Chump emitted, then basically ignored the widespread fraud and election rigging by the DNC and the Clinton political machine, and during which there doubtless was meddling by foreign governments mostly legal thanks to Citizens United, but also because it’s common practice by many nations especially including the USA. There was also a notable mainstream media bias against Bernie and all 3rd party candidates. Normal for the U.S. media but unacceptable in many other nations including Mexico.

So I tend to forgive even the most ridiculous cynics for their distrust of the media. Learning to separate fact from propaganda is more difficult for some than others. Folks who expect 100% impartiality in journalism (or what passes for it nowadays) apparently don’t understand that has never been how it works. I can’t hold their idealism against them. Idealism is a healthy trait, IMHO.

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by Easy Ed, Monday, January 01, 2018, 16:04 (168 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Wow, Rob.
I'm a bit dazzled by some of your views, but you state them clearly.
This kind of criticism can be rationally discussed.
I can't respond to your several notions at any reasonable length here, but I'd be happy to talk with you when we return to Zihuatanejo at the end of the month.
For now, will you please enlighten me? Don't you see yourself as something of a journalist? Are you not a bit intimidated working in the second most dangerous country for journalists? How do you get away with your plain, loud and frequent condemnations of local police and other authorities?
And would you not agree that Trump and company are using easily-angered simpletons to erode confidence in every democratic institution?
And, uh, Happy New Year.

Calling out Labrat

by Easy Ed, Monday, January 01, 2018, 15:28 (168 days ago) @ ZihuaRx

Well, ZihauRx, you are quite right to chide me for my deliberate rudeness and use of insults. I'm sorry I allowed my anger to detract from my point.
I'm sure you understand there is a difference between questioning and defaming.
If Labrat has a specific question or questions let him ask.
If he has only more vague expressions of snotty contempt, let us hope someone who cares for him intervenes.

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by HolyMole @, Monday, January 01, 2018, 16:23 (168 days ago) @ Easy Ed

Well, ZihauRx, you are quite right to chide me for my deliberate rudeness and use of insults. I'm sorry I allowed my anger to detract from my point.
I'm sure you understand there is a difference between questioning and defaming.
If Labrat has a specific question or questions let him ask.
If he has only more vague expressions of snotty contempt, let us hope someone who cares for him intervenes.

I certainly support healthy skepticism when it comes to the media - all media- but how does one rationally deal with a Trump, or, more to the issue, with a Fox News and the rest of the lunatic fringe? Are the O'Reillys, Hannitys and Limbaughs entitled to respectful "questioning", or should they be rejected, reviled and vilified out of hand?
At the risk of being accused by our resident smirkers of invoking Godwin's Law, should clear-thinking Germans have politely "questioned" Goebbels' pronouncements?
(For those who think: "We're not there yet", I hope you aren't just whistling past the graveyard.)

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by cantinero46, Monday, January 01, 2018, 22:44 (168 days ago) @ Easy Ed

Easy Eddie,easy dude....please spew it elsewhere!:jeer:

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by samy, Monday, January 01, 2018, 15:54 (168 days ago) @ frostbite

Frostbite: I tend to agree that my comments may have been harsh but not uncalled for. I do feel badly that I allowed accumulated frustration with Labrat's condescending comments to colour my remarks. I think that the board could be more respectful if people trying to express genuine thoughts were not treated with contempt and derision. My impressions of you have been of a gentleman and I apologize for any offence

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by Mexalberta @, Monday, January 01, 2018, 16:54 (168 days ago) @ frostbite

2018 The Year of The Dog appears to be a real aggressive one.

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by mcnuttja, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 10:23 (166 days ago) @ Easy Ed

First I would like to say I am an American, Retired Middle Class, early 60's. My politics are moderate (or they were until my "middle of the road" approach has been redefined by our current Administration. Now they are called very liberal.

The issue being discussed here is one regarding displacement of the truth and ones ability to redefine a fact. Unfortunately, for those of us with a High School education (I barely graduated, so I am no educational heavy-weight), this poses a problem. We learned that it is "normal" to have multiple opinions, but there is only one fact.

People are wanting to redefine the fact based upon their need to create a story supporting their position. Not, just an opinion, but a new truth. Personally, I blame this on "Reality Entertainment/Television". Suggesting what you are seeing is real-life, but actually complete fiction. Much like current politicians of both parties.

Growing-up I read books. These books were either Fiction or Non-Fiction. I was taught to read Fact-Based, Non-Fiction as an individuals opinion of the truth. One that comes to mind is the Grapes of Wrath. A story which is based upon a fact, but the story is "created" to entertain.

Some journalist do add opinion to the facts, creating a story-line that supports their opinion. Which brings me to my point consisting of questions; Why do "we" read and react to things that we know are "stories"? Do we react to feed our need to say that someone else is wrong?

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by Paulf @, Mount Sterling, Ky 40353, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 13:05 (166 days ago) @ mcnuttja

It's funny one can read 3 articles on the same story and come away with 3 different views. I read 3 different Conservative on line newspapers, 1 Trump can not do anything right, 1 is for Trump and the last is down the middle. What I like about all 3 is they go in depth on a story. Their reporting would be found in the local paper 2 or 3 days later with a total Liberal Bias pro Democratic Talking Points- we cancelled the local paper because of the price increase for the size- Kathie totally believes all the Democratic Talking Points and even she was for cancelling the paper because of the price. The reporting is so one sided now, one does not know what to believe in many cases when it comes to political.

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by Zbulldog @, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 13:50 (166 days ago) @ Paulf

All one has to do is Google "journalists who lied". One look at the names on that list and the media they worked for and you will see that it makes no difference what political agenda they favor. They as a group have shown that what they claim to be news is just editorialize crap and the integrity of the media is a thing of the past. If that's your profession and you can't handle the public opinion your fellow journalists help create, then go back to school and become a lawyer. Or better still, run for public office.

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by norm, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 19:06 (166 days ago) @ Zbulldog

who decides who lied?

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Pants On Fire

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 19:24 (166 days ago) @ norm

who decides who lied?

Politifact is usually reliable, though I've sometimes disagreed with their conclusions. Never believe blindly.

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by Zbulldog @, Thursday, January 04, 2018, 13:55 (165 days ago) @ norm

"Who decides who lied"?

The ones I'm talking about lost there job!