Temporary Resident Card

by Fly on the Wall, Saturday, January 05, 2019, 19:32 (196 days ago)

We travel back and forth 3 or4 times a year by air using a tourist visa. . We have had a condo here for a number of years which we don’t rent out. Lately on some of our visits we have been asked why don’t we get a resident card by the folks in Aduana . Assume this is because their system shows multiple entries and exits but not 100% sure . We don’t have a car . At sometime,in the future likely for health reasons, we will sell the condo

Meanwhile am wondering what the advantages / disadvantages are for having a temporary resident card .

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by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Saturday, January 05, 2019, 19:46 (196 days ago) @ Fly on the Wall

I think you have to make application at a U.S. or similar consulate. I could not get a temporary here but had to wait until I was in US. to go to consulate and make application. I did this and was asked why I was asking to a temporary when I qualified for a permanent card. So I applied for a permanent card, the consulate told me to come to Mexico and within 30 days I had to go to immigration and I would be given a permanent card. When I came thru immigration at the airport I think I came in on a tourist visa and then went to immigration in Z to get my permanent card

My bro in law came in a year before I did and they would only give him a temporary and he had to convert to permanent. The only difference between my bro in law and me was he came a year earlier and my provable income was quite a bit more.

Advantages I know of is toing thru the resident line instead of the tourist line at the airport. Disadvantage is you must go thru the immingrtion off at the airport to get a departure permit.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 06:07 (196 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

I have permanent residency and finding someone to get an immigration agent, upon departure at the airport, is a real pain. Especially when you're hauling bags around, since you can't check in until you have their piece of paper. When leaving last week, much to my surprise and delight, their office was open with a bureaucrat behind the desk.

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by Casa Juan @, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 10:17 (196 days ago) @ frostbite

I don t want to jinx myself but I have not had to wait long with Aduana prior to departure from Zihua. In 2017, I had a few delays but learned to quickly ask security or Alaska Air to phone Aduana. Normally allowing 10 extra minutes has been plenty. The flip side is on entry into Mexico at the airport, you can pass thru the shorter lines used by citizens

on the broader subject a permanent residency card is helpful to obtain a Mexican bank account which allows you to obtain a debit card and in at least one case avoid transaction fees. I learned in 2016 to never mention any residency status if one is driving into Mexico and seeking a 180 day temporary permit. It appears Aduana has long ago figured out that lots of vehicles driven into Mexico by resident card holders never exit Mexico.

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by Tere @, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 08:36 (196 days ago) @ Fly on the Wall

Two things - first, you can only have temporary for four years, then you have to switch to permanent. Each one requires paperwork, pesos and income standards. Second, the only reason I can see to get a Temporary or Permanent resident card is if you want to bring things into Mexico that you cannot bring on a tourist visa (screw drivers, appliances, a tower computer, stuff like that). Since you've had your condo for a while and will eventually sell it, seems like you're o.k. without changing your visa status.

I have permanent residency, but I live hear year-round.

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by Fly on the Wall, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 09:16 (196 days ago) @ Tere

Thanks Tere , when I googled the subject , I couldn’t find anything that seemed to point as a clear advantage . The one disadvantage I ran across , related to crossing the land border into Mexico with plates that were not Mexican.....but that seemed to be more of a hassle issue than a significant advantage /disadvantage . I suspect that sometime in the future Mexico May be part of the Global access/nexus agreement that will leesen the Aduana hassle

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by VinnieD, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 11:55 (196 days ago) @ Fly on the Wall

Hola
One of the main advantages of residency is that you can stay in Mexico for more than 180 days. If you travel back and forth on a regular basis this may not be an issue. There is a possibility that you could also save money on capital gains when you sell your place but you would need to check with a lawyer, or whoever you get to help you sell your place. The process to obtain residency now dictates that you apply at a Mexican consulate, outside of Mexico, and you can pay for all 4 years at once. Once you have the process complete, you appear at Immigration not the aduana as this is not a customs thing but an immigration thing. Migration checks you in and out, aduana checks your luggage etc.
As mentioned when you leave Mexico by air you must present yourself at the INM kiosk at the airport to complete the paperwork that will let you fly. It's a paper trail thing as all nationals and residents need to do this when they leave Mexico, or at least I've heard that Mexican's do this too. Pain in the ass but when you return to Mexico you can go through the line for Mexicans and this could save you lots of time. Don't forget the paper the immigration officer gave you when you left Mexico or else you come in as a tourist and your residency is null and void. A real pain in the ass.
Once you are a Residente Permanente you can not bring a foreign plated car into Mexico so if you want one, you need to buy a car in Mexico or import one, and that's a real pain in the ass.
I would suggest that before you go this route, you investigate further on your own. Many, many sites on the internet where you can get information. I'm pretty sure we all can give you some advice and some may contradict each other. Or, if you know someone who has obtained residency you and your spouse could talk to them in person and ask many questions.

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by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 12:21 (196 days ago) @ VinnieD

The most complete and accurate answer I have seen, IMHO. But one question: If a person goes to the Mexican Consulate outside Mexican and gets the appropriate paperwork then comes to Mexico on a tourist visa and is driving and gets a 180 day vehicle permit then they go to Immigration and get a residency permit they must convert the U.S. licensed vehicle to a Mexican registered and plated car?

In other words converting to a Mexican registered care nullifies the 180 permit and as a permanent or temporary resident you cannot have a U.S. registered car?

AND if you are a resident do you qualify for an EVA rebate when to return to U.S.???

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by OlsenMN, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 14:30 (196 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

The most complete and accurate answer I have seen, IMHO. But one question: If a person goes to the Mexican Consulate outside Mexican and gets the appropriate paperwork then comes to Mexico on a tourist visa and is driving and gets a 180 day vehicle permit then they go to Immigration and get a residency permit they must convert the U.S. licensed vehicle to a Mexican registered and plated car?

In other words converting to a Mexican registered care nullifies the 180 permit and as a permanent or temporary resident you cannot have a U.S. registered car?

AND if you are a resident do you qualify for an EVA rebate when to return to U.S.???

No, no, no. The "appropriate paperwork" is a temporary visa attached to your passport. If you come in as a tourist is nullifies everything and you have to start over. You then go to Immigration here and complete the process.

If you have been approved as a Residente Temporal you may drive your foreign plated car in with a TIP. If you are approved as a Residente Permanente you MAY NOT BRING YOUR CAR.

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by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 14:42 (196 days ago) @ OlsenMN

I am confused.

If you have the appropriate paperwork from the MEX consulate and you drive your car in and then do the immigration office paperwork and come in as a temporary resident and then after one year convert to a permanent resident what happens with the licensing of the ca??

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 14:46 (196 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

Once you are permanent the car must leave or be nationalized. The TIP even though issued for 6 months will endure for the length of the temporal. I carry the paperwork in the car although have never been asked for it. Only a consideration for the law I did not violate.

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 14:34 (196 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

With residencia temporal your TIP is good for the length of the residency permit. No more taking it out of the country every 6 months. So it is good for 1-4 years depending on the time you have left on your residency temporal. Mine expired 3 years ago but as long as my residencia temporal is in effect the car is fine. This summer I have to move on to residencia permanente and take the car out of Mexico.

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by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 14:45 (196 days ago) @ mexicoman

DUH~ I got it now.

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by Fly on the Wall, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 13:00 (196 days ago) @ VinnieD

Thanks for your response . The one I am most curious about is the capital gains Issue . I know it’s roughly 25% of the GAIN realized in Mexican pesos from purchase date to sale date , which depending on the exchange rate you purchased at, can turn into a real bummer given today’s rates

Any suggestions on a Mexican Tax lawyer ? We have used Agustin Galindo in the past but am not sure if this would be outside his scope

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 14:41 (196 days ago) @ Fly on the Wall

If you have not sold a property in Mexico in the last 3 years "and" have residencia either temporal or permanente, an RFC and CURP - easy to make happen, you will pay no capital gains on your sale. I have done it twice. It is a Godsend.

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by Fly on the Wall, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 16:37 (196 days ago) @ mexicoman

Are there any conditions , such as no Capital Gains providing you are buying an other property . Can one just make the deposit in a local financial institution such as Intercam and then transfer it to your home bank ?

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Monday, January 07, 2019, 14:59 (195 days ago) @ Fly on the Wall

You don't have to reinvest in another property. I have had money sent to a US bank and recently to my Mexican bank account. It's your choice.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Sunday, January 06, 2019, 18:13 (195 days ago) @ mexicoman

If the owners of the property are a partnership, would all members need to be permanent residents in order to avoid capital gains when selling the property?

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Monday, January 07, 2019, 14:56 (195 days ago) @ frostbite

Residente Temporal is all that is required. I'm not a notaria but my guess would be that all parties on the deed would have to have residence visas. Then again, maybe not.

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by Karen, Monday, January 07, 2019, 22:44 (194 days ago) @ mexicoman

What is the RFC and CURP that you reference?

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Tuesday, January 08, 2019, 06:44 (194 days ago) @ Karen

RFC is a tax id number in Mexico. CURP is similar to a social security number in the US. This link explains both and how to get them. When buying or selling property we have always needed our RFC numbers.

http://rollybrook.com/curp.htm

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by Karen, Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 04:40 (187 days ago) @ mexicoman

Thanks!