Ixt-Zihua gets a nod; Mex. tourist promotion, a knock

by zulualpha, Saturday, August 03, 2019, 15:20 (44 days ago)

Ixtapa-Zihuatanejo was once again nominated as "Mexico´s Leading Destination" at the 2019 World Travel Awards held last month in La Paz, Bolivia. Other nominees included Cancun, Sn Miguel de Allende and Oaxaca. Los Cabos won top spot. Pretty tough competition, so "a nod" to Ixtapa-Zihuatanejo for making the short list.

The "knock:" Spending on Mexican tourist promotion abroad has been drastically reduced. The federal government plans to re-alocate much of the six billion peso budget to a project called the Maya Train, and to assorted health and welfare programs. Mexican Embassy and Consular staff will receive a crash course in tourist promotion, in an effort to stimulate international visits. This while the number of "snowbird" air arrivals to Mexico declined in the first five months of 2019, compared to the same 2018 period. (news reports)

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Ixt-Zihua gets a nod; Mex. tourist promotion, a knock

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, August 03, 2019, 18:24 (44 days ago) @ zulualpha

First off, a big nod to Bolivia, too, for its own tourism boom as well as doing such a fantastic job with the Rally Dakar this year. They've come a long way in a short time, and attracting a sport of millionaires is no minor feat.

Unfortunately Mexico's current president fails to appreciate the economic stimulus that tourism represents, and that's part of the reason our GDP this year is only 0.1%. While it's certainly admirable that he wants to make up for the historical rezago in Mexico's social safety net that for too long has been the watering trough of its most corrupt public servants, tourism is one way to easily stimulate the economy in the short term and give folks some spending money. I agree we don't want to rely solely on service jobs which limit the upward mobility of workers, but ending corruption and educating people to the point where they can grow the middle-class is a generational transition, not something to be accomplished in a presidential term of 6 years. The president is counting on the private sector to step up, but as we say in Spanish they tend to channel water to their own mills instead of seeking to benefit the communities in which they are located.

By the end of this year some of the benefits of the initial changes of Mexico's 4ta Transformación will begin to be felt and render fruit, and it will allow increased purchasing power among a large sector of the population, albeit minor, but still significant. Our destroyed health care system is where the challenge is turning out to be much greater than expected. Remember that new hospital built in recent years in Petatlán? It's a weed garden now, like hundreds of other such projects across the nation. Corruption and impunity have taken a huge toll on our social services and infrastructure, so the savings from tackling corruption only keeps revealing how devastated greedy people have left our country.

It's certainly time to stop rewarding greed, but we also need to be having an adult discussion about living healthier and being more civic-minded citizens.

While I doubt the nomination of Zihuatanejo as a top destination will increase our tourism noticeably, we do receive tourists from South America, and it's a market we should also be cultivating just like the eastern part of the USA and Canada where the most wealth is concentrated.

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Ixt-Zihua gets a nod; Mex. tourist promotion, a knock

by GolfSuper49 @, Natchez, MS & Queretaro, MX, Sunday, August 04, 2019, 11:35 (43 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Rob, I know you had posted a few weeks ago about 2 cruise ships that are/were supposed to heading to the area in October, Any update on that and what's been going on with the pier?? Thanks for all the updates and keeping me sane here during the busy golf season. Planning the return trip to Queretaro and your paradise there for Dec/Jan and the slow season for golf here. Jamie

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Ixt-Zihua gets a nod; Mex. tourist promotion, a knock

by Pam in NJ ⌂ @, Morristown, NJ, Sunday, August 04, 2019, 20:11 (42 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

If only ZIH was bigger and could accommodate larger aircraft!! There aren't any direct flights from the NY metro area, or eastern US for that matter. Toronto, Canada - yes. Chicago - yes. That's about as far east as the direct flight go. Connecting flights are a deal breaker for most, especially for a 1 week vacation.

Ixt-Zihua gets a nod; Mex. tourist promotion, a knock

by victorio, Sunday, August 04, 2019, 20:19 (42 days ago) @ Pam in NJ
edited by victorio, Sunday, August 04, 2019, 20:32

Hola.
Zihua doesn't need a bigger airport. A bigger terminal maybe. AirCanada has direct flights to and from Zihua from major Canadian cities.
I must qualify my last statement. The flights are high season only. We come down through Mexico city in October via Aeromexico and go back direct via AirCanada in April.

Ixt-Zihua gets a nod; Mex. tourist promotion, a knock

by Aunt Chelada, Sunday, August 04, 2019, 20:28 (42 days ago) @ Pam in NJ

What are you think, like a C5A Cargo plane?

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by victorio, Sunday, August 04, 2019, 20:40 (42 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

Hola.

Huh ?

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Ixt-Zihua gets a nod; Mex. tourist promotion, a knock

by Pam in NJ ⌂ @, Morristown, NJ, Sunday, August 04, 2019, 20:43 (42 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

A little tongue in cheek. I think the largest plane I've come in on from Houston is a 727 or a 737. I don't know if they would have the fuel range to make it from Boston - NYC metro - etc. That's all. I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers.

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by victorio, Sunday, August 04, 2019, 20:54 (42 days ago) @ Pam in NJ

Hola.
Wasn't referring to you . I was replying to Anti.

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Ixt-Zihua gets a nod; Mex. tourist promotion, a knock

by Pam in NJ ⌂ @, Morristown, NJ, Monday, August 05, 2019, 06:29 (42 days ago) @ victorio

(so was I)

Ixt-Zihua gets a nod; Mex. tourist promotion, a knock

by wisconsinjuan @, Sunday, August 04, 2019, 21:53 (42 days ago) @ Pam in NJ

Try Aeromexico. I just checked for some random dates in January and it appears there are two flights a day that have one stop in Mex city. There is not currently any way that there is enough demand for a large (or even a medium) plane for a non stop flight from NYC. Fares seemed reasonable too. I've had good luck with Aeromexico the couple of times I have flown them. Sure a non stop is best, but you New Yorkers are a little spoiled when it comes to non stop flights.

Ixt-Zihua gets a nod; Mex. tourist promotion, a knock

by midalake @, Sunday, August 04, 2019, 22:06 (42 days ago) @ Pam in NJ

If only ZIH was bigger and could accommodate larger aircraft!! There aren't any direct flights from the NY metro area, or eastern US for that matter. Toronto, Canada - yes. Chicago - yes. That's about as far east as the direct flight go. Connecting flights are a deal breaker for most, especially for a 1 week vacation.

Planes are not even full now, even in prime time. How are bigger planes supposed to help?


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by Pam in NJ ⌂ @, Morristown, NJ, Monday, August 05, 2019, 07:04 (42 days ago) @ midalake

I have been traveling to Zihuatanejo for 20 years. Connecting flights are not a bother to me. Overnights are not a bother to me. I've traveled with overnights on both legs just for a 3 day stay in Troncones - most people wouldn't think of it.

I know of a handful of people from NJ/NYC/Hamptons/Maine who do travel to ZIH they stay for several weeks/months at a time.

From the NY airports, NonStop flights are offered to Cabo, PV & Cancun. Most people & families traveling with children will tend to navigate toward non stop flights.

During High Season here is what we have to choose from if we're flying out of the 3 NY metro airports:
(I only checked Saturday outbound flights)

From Newark: Flying United. If you connect in HOU, there is one flight per day to ZIH (as mentioned in Carol's thread) - in order to connect with that flight, you must take a 5:45am flight out of Newark. That means arriving to the airport at 4am. If you connect in CDMX, you generally incur an overnight stay on the outbound. Same day connects are easier on the return thru CDMX.

From JFK: Flying Aeromexico. The connection is through CDMX. Flight options are either a 6:00am departure that has 2 stops: ATL & CDMX -or- a 1 stop through CDMX that departs at 1:20am. There are other flight options but all are 2 stops and require an overnight in CDMX.

From LaGuardia: There is one flight on Saturdays via AeroMexico. Ironically, it mirrors the 6am departure from JFK. American has options - the 1 stop departs at 5:55am or 6:29am and goes through DFW. After that the flights involve 2 stops with an overnight.

1 stop connections average 10 hours of travel time from the time the plane is scheduled to depart until the plane lands in ZIH. In HOU you have to factor in a terminal change to the connection time - it's a race. This does not include the 2+ hours that you have to arrive to the airport prior to the flight.

Without a non-stop, it's not so easy to get there from here. I'm not an expert on aerodynamics so I don't know how big of a plane (fuel tank) they would need to fly non-stop. And, not to bring up travel warnings, but the Level 4 Travel Warning that the US has imposed on Guerrero doesn't help getting new folks down there either.

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Excellent info!

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, August 05, 2019, 08:16 (42 days ago) @ Pam in NJ

THANK YOU, PAM! What excellent information!

I keep trying to bring this problem to the attention of local tourism authorities. Year after year. Pretty much for the past couple of decades since I've had this website I've suggested going after the eastern seaboard and especially the northeastern market for numerous reasons including the fact that the demand is there, but the frustrations are excessive.

For example, the last place I lived in Florida is full of people with more money than they'll ever be able to spend but who work hard and long hours at the Kennedy Space Center and the surrounding supporting industries. and many take vacations to ethe Bahamas, the Caribbean and Cancún because of the ease of travel. BUT this year there's trouble in paradise including Florida itself. Flesh-eating bacteria and brain-eating amoebas, red tide, blue-green algae, Sargassum weed, and now entire sections of the Gulf of Mexico are dead zones closed to swimmers. All those Gulf states are red states and they haven't been taking care of the ecology. So this should be a boon for the Pacific Coast of Mexico. But we can't take advantage of it very well if the potential tourists can't get here. Never mind the fact there is zero promotion in the region of our destination.

I know people who CAN make a difference read the comments here, so I hope they pay attention to the very helpful info you provided to see if they can't get some better flights lined up, at least for the high tourist season from late fall to early spring.

Saludos.

Ixt-Zihua gets a nod; Mex. tourist promotion, a knock

by midalake @, Monday, August 05, 2019, 08:48 (42 days ago) @ Pam in NJ

I have been traveling to Zihuatanejo for 20 years. Connecting flights are not a bother to me. Overnights are not a bother to me. I've traveled with overnights on both legs just for a 3 day stay in Troncones - most people wouldn't think of it.

I know of a handful of people from NJ/NYC/Hamptons/Maine who do travel to ZIH they stay for several weeks/months at a time.

From the NY airports, NonStop flights are offered to Cabo, PV & Cancun. Most people & families traveling with children will tend to navigate toward non stop flights.

During High Season here is what we have to choose from if we're flying out of the 3 NY metro airports:
(I only checked Saturday outbound flights)

From Newark: Flying United. If you connect in HOU, there is one flight per day to ZIH (as mentioned in Carol's thread) - in order to connect with that flight, you must take a 5:45am flight out of Newark. That means arriving to the airport at 4am. If you connect in CDMX, you generally incur an overnight stay on the outbound. Same day connects are easier on the return thru CDMX.

From JFK: Flying Aeromexico. The connection is through CDMX. Flight options are either a 6:00am departure that has 2 stops: ATL & CDMX -or- a 1 stop through CDMX that departs at 1:20am. There are other flight options but all are 2 stops and require an overnight in CDMX.

From LaGuardia: There is one flight on Saturdays via AeroMexico. Ironically, it mirrors the 6am departure from JFK. American has options - the 1 stop departs at 5:55am or 6:29am and goes through DFW. After that the flights involve 2 stops with an overnight.

1 stop connections average 10 hours of travel time from the time the plane is scheduled to depart until the plane lands in ZIH. In HOU you have to factor in a terminal change to the connection time - it's a race. This does not include the 2+ hours that you have to arrive to the airport prior to the flight.

Without a non-stop, it's not so easy to get there from here. I'm not an expert on aerodynamics so I don't know how big of a plane (fuel tank) they would need to fly non-stop. And, not to bring up travel warnings, but the Level 4 Travel Warning that the US has imposed on Guerrero doesn't help getting new folks down there either.


Any A-319 [or simular] can fly to Zih direct from anywhere in the US. I have been on the high season direct out of Ord several times now and it seems the plane is always pretty full.

If you are connecting ANYWHERE in the northern tier of states, taking a flight at 5 am is reality [not just for you]


We also have the option to fly through Phoenix on American. However never take that home because it is almost always an overnight with the time zone changes.


AND YES, I think the level 4 warning is an issue for those who don't know.


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A radical idea: think Canada

by Ironwood, Monday, August 05, 2019, 13:59 (42 days ago) @ Pam in NJ

I realize that Canada is always the very last thing you Americans ever think about, but in high season, there are direct flights to Zihua from Montreal and Toronto in the east, and from Calgary and Vancouver in the west. There are plenty of flights to and from most northern US cities into each of those Canadian airports.
So, how about an easy flight from your northern US city into one of those four Canadian airports, stay overnight, where your US dollar is worth about $1.35 Canadian, and get a direct flight to Zihua next day....again using your currency advantage to purchase your Canada-Zihua-direct-return flights?
Am I missing something?

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by midalake @, Monday, August 05, 2019, 14:20 (42 days ago) @ Ironwood

I realize that Canada is always the very last thing you Americans ever think about, but in high season, there are direct flights to Zihua from Montreal and Toronto in the east, and from Calgary and Vancouver in the west. There are plenty of flights to and from most northern US cities into each of those Canadian airports.
So, how about an easy flight from your northern US city into one of those four Canadian airports, stay overnight, where your US dollar is worth about $1.35 Canadian, and get a direct flight to Zihua next day....again using your currency advantage to purchase your Canada-Zihua-direct-return flights?
Am I missing something?


My wife is actually flying from Toronto in Jan. and March. ;-)

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A radical idea: think Canada

by Pam in NJ ⌂ @, Morristown, NJ, Tuesday, August 06, 2019, 21:21 (40 days ago) @ Ironwood

Coming from the Northeast during the winter months, my aim is to get out of potential bad weather for my connecting flight.

I could connect in Chicago, too - there's a direct flight to ZIH from ORD - but who wants to fly to Chicago in Jan/Feb!! We're likely to get stuck there or have a flight canceled. I try to go with the odds, not against them.

And no offense to Canada - - but connecting in Canada means that we would have to go through immigration lines 2x.

Nothing is easy - - - but there's got to be a way to make it more convenient to get people from the eastern US to paradise!!!

Radical Idea.... MOVE!!!

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, August 06, 2019, 21:33 (40 days ago) @ Pam in NJ

Yes, for most people, this is something they would NEVER consider. Guess what? It's a wonderful thing to do! Just cut the ties and move to paradise.

I expect to receive endless amount of fecal matter for this suggestion, but we did it and are SO glad we did!

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Radical Idea.... MOVE!!!

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, August 06, 2019, 21:46 (40 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Yes, for most people, this is something they would NEVER consider. Guess what? It's a wonderful thing to do! Just cut the ties and move to paradise.

I expect to receive endless amount of fecal matter for this suggestion, but we did it and are SO glad we did!

Worked for me. Never looked back. Every day since then has been the best day of my life. That was over 30 years ago. Just sayin...

Radical Idea.... MOVE!!!

by Susan G @, Zihua/La Ropa, Wednesday, August 07, 2019, 09:28 (40 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Hats off to that idea! No more flight worries for us. Nothing but paradise since we moved here full time.

Radical Idea.... MOVE!!!

by Charlybby, Wednesday, August 07, 2019, 23:42 (39 days ago) @ Susan G

That's our next plan!! <3:kingtut: :brilliant:

Radical Idea.... MOVE!!!

by Aunt Chelada, Thursday, August 08, 2019, 07:26 (39 days ago) @ Charlybby

LOL! You guys are funny. There are thousands of people that are on the Mexican side of the border fighting to get into the USA and you're talking about moving or convincing others to move to Mexico. What's the saying, "birds of a feather flock together" or "misery loves company".

Radical Idea.... MOVE!!!

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Thursday, August 08, 2019, 09:53 (39 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

All three posters live here full time, by choice, and are from the US.

Happy? Oh, you bet we are! And willing to encourage others to be as happy as we are.

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A radical idea: think Canada

by Curbarn, summer b.c. winter zihua, Thursday, August 08, 2019, 10:50 (39 days ago) @ Pam in NJ

While you do need to clear customs, the electronic kiosks at most canadian airports, work very well. My wife flies on a foreign passport and we usually clear at exactly the same time. I think I travel frequently and in the last two years have never had more than as twenty minute wait in line, most times its about 5 minutes. On the otherhand on your return to your home thru Canada, you clear US customs in Canada and your clearance time would be negligible forUS transfers, you pretty just nod and walk thru.

A radical idea: think Canada

by Paulf @, Mount Sterling, Ky 40353, Friday, August 16, 2019, 16:42 (31 days ago) @ Pam in NJ

Because of flights available here in KY, we drive to Chicago the first week of January to spend 4 weeks in "Z". We were using the Houston connection and it was close making the flight to Chicago. Now we book the direct r/t as soon as the cheaper air mile flights are available. In the past 15 years, we have had no problems with our flights. Before the direct, we would make sure we had plenty of time in Houston for our connection because of the flights available. We have had problems in Houston because of waiting for crews. On our last flight through Houston, the flight leaving "Z" was about 1 1/2 hr late getting to "Z". We were told in "Z" we would have a overnight in Houston- when we arrived in Houston, a United Rep was waiting for passengers going on at the luggage carousel. Because we were early checking in in "Z", we got one of the last seats on the last plane to Chicago that evening- we were in the very back but that was ok. They keep changing the times on the direct flight all the time- since our car is at a friends "no worry".