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The Lorax, "I speak for the trees!"

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, September 03, 2019, 18:24 (48 days ago)

Here, it's the Departmento de Ecologia.

We got busted today.

We have one huge and one medium size mango trees in our back yard. After much deliberation, we had the huge one cut back to a reasonable size. They grow very quickly, and we shouldn't miss a season of fruit, and will be able to pick more to eat because we will be able to reach them.

The medium size tree we had cut back because the roots are damaging the house. Final plans have/had not been made about it's fate.

The cutting started yesterday, and at 5 pm we shut him down. It was hot, he had worked for 7 hours and couldn't finish. There was a huge pile in the front yard on the road. Today, he finished trimming, and with a helper hauled all the waste out front. It finally fit into four truck loads.

Mid afternoon today, two very polite gentlemen arrived from the Departamento de Ecologia. They explained that we did not have a permit for trimming the trees and needed one before the work started. OOPS!!!!

They were extremely nice and informative. We were too. Of course-we were wrong. Not knowing is no excuse.

In order to trim or remove a tree, with very few exceptions, you need a permit. Go to their department at the Palacio Municipio, apply for it, they will come out and inspect, and then either grant or deny the permit. We were told it was very inexpensive, about 300p. Ours would have been approved if we had applied.

So, we didn't receive a "ticket" as we understand, but have a paper that we have to take in to their office tomorrow morning at 10 and deal with. They told us repeatedly not to worry, we now understood the rules and it was OK. Cross your fingers for us!

Here are the rules for trees as explained to us: Palms may have their leaves and cocos trimmed with no permit. They may not be cut down/removed without a permit.

Any branches with a diameter of more than 14 cm on any tree must have a permit to be removed or trimmed. Removal of any tree requires a permit.

They really appreciated that we knew that certain trees were protected, parota being one of them.

My first dog was named The Lorax. Long live The Lorax!

The Lorax, "I speak for the trees!"

by midalake @, Tuesday, September 03, 2019, 20:20 (48 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Here, it's the Departmento de Ecologia.

We got busted today.

We have one huge and one medium size mango trees in our back yard. After much deliberation, we had the huge one cut back to a reasonable size. They grow very quickly, and we shouldn't miss a season of fruit, and will be able to pick more to eat because we will be able to reach them.

The medium size tree we had cut back because the roots are damaging the house. Final plans have/had not been made about it's fate.

The cutting started yesterday, and at 5 pm we shut him down. It was hot, he had worked for 7 hours and couldn't finish. There was a huge pile in the front yard on the road. Today, he finished trimming, and with a helper hauled all the waste out front. It finally fit into four truck loads.

Mid afternoon today, two very polite gentlemen arrived from the Departamento de Ecologia. They explained that we did not have a permit for trimming the trees and needed one before the work started. OOPS!!!!

They were extremely nice and informative. We were too. Of course-we were wrong. Not knowing is no excuse.

In order to trim or remove a tree, with very few exceptions, you need a permit. Go to their department at the Palacio Municipio, apply for it, they will come out and inspect, and then either grant or deny the permit. We were told it was very inexpensive, about 300p. Ours would have been approved if we had applied.

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So, we didn't receive a "ticket" as we understand, but have a paper that we have to take in to their office tomorrow morning at 10 and deal with. They told us repeatedly not to worry, we now understood the rules and it was OK. Cross your fingers for us!

Here are the rules for trees as explained to us: Palms may have their leaves and cocos trimmed with no permit. They may not be cut down/removed without a permit.

Any branches with a diameter of more than 14 cm on any tree must have a permit to be removed or trimmed. Removal of any tree requires a permit.

They really appreciated that we knew that certain trees were protected, parota being one of them.

My first dog was named The Lorax. Long live The Lorax!

My guess 300p is substantial for many who live there. How ABSURD you are not allowed to trim trees in your own yard without a permit.

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The Lorax, "I speak for the trees!"

by Susan G @, Zihua/La Ropa, Tuesday, September 03, 2019, 21:08 (48 days ago) @ midalake

Tons of people here cut down their trees and haul away the evidence/branches on Sunday, thus they are not fined. Not saying it's OK, just an observation.

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The Lorax, "I speak for the trees!"

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, September 03, 2019, 21:16 (48 days ago) @ Susan G

The man who hauled the waste away actually offered to call his, "Good friend, neighbor, the head of the Departamento," and make it go away. We decided that we would rather do it right and show that we had learned.

We'll post tomorrow how things go!

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The Lorax, "I speak for the trees!"

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, September 03, 2019, 21:21 (48 days ago) @ midalake

We LIKE that we live in a place that really tries to care about things.

We are prepared for tomorrow with our INAPAM cards, and are ready to learn more. INAPAM cards are senior discount cards that give us serious discounts on many city services, including property taxes and CAPAZ bills. We hope this will help with any fees we are accessed.

We actually live in a place that cares enough to restrict the random chopping of trees. PARADISE!!!!

The Lorax, "I speak for the trees!"

by Ironwood, Tuesday, September 03, 2019, 21:48 (48 days ago) @ Talley Ho

I wonder if anyone bothered to get a permit before butchering the majestic parota tree at the current site of Ruben's Hamburgers on Calle Adelita a few years back. That was "trimming" in the extreme.

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The Lorax, "I speak for the trees!"

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, September 03, 2019, 21:56 (48 days ago) @ Ironwood

I read and was told that a permit was applied for, approved, and the wood sold, all legally.

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The Lorax, "I speak for the trees!"

by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Wednesday, September 04, 2019, 06:11 (48 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Several years ago a tree in front of our place on La Madera died. I had arranged for a replacement. As the guys were digging out the dead one, somebody stopped and ranted about it being illegal to remove trees. I explained that it was dead, but he insisted that removing dead ones was also illegal and stomped away.

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The Lorax, "I speak for the expensive trees!"

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, September 04, 2019, 13:24 (48 days ago) @ Talley Ho

When we went to the Departmento de Ecologia this morning at 10, the decision had already been made. The decision was explained to us and we were fined 4,224. pesos. That was for trimming the large mango tree without a permit.

We were not charged (as we understood) for trimming the medium size mango tree that was breaking up our house.

Lesson learned. She told us that you don't do ANYTHING to ANY tree without coming in to their office and having them look at the trees.

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The Lorax, "I speak for the expensive trees!"

by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Wednesday, September 04, 2019, 13:44 (48 days ago) @ Talley Ho

That's one hell of a fine!

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The Lorax, "I speak for the expensive trees!"

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, September 04, 2019, 13:53 (48 days ago) @ Talley Ho

When we went to the Departmento de Ecologia this morning at 10, the decision had already been made. The decision was explained to us and we were fined 4,224. pesos. That was for trimming the large mango tree without a permit.

We were not charged (as we understood) for trimming the medium size mango tree that was breaking up our house.

Lesson learned. She told us that you don't do ANYTHING to ANY tree without coming in to their office and having them look at the trees.

Ustedes fueron delatados por un vecino o una vecina. Whichever neighbor snitched on you owes you $5,000 pesos. They better hope I don't find out who it was (though I have my suspicions). The price you pay for being "rich gringos" and living on a highly transited road in view of busybodies. Whether or not this bothers you, it bothers the hell out of me knowing what I know about who gets away with what. You TRIMMED your own friggin' tree, fer cryin out loud! You didn't kill it. These hypocrites in the ayuntamiento kill trees all over town all the time on a whim, besides allowing land invasions that have totally screwed up our hillsides, our bay and pretty much every other facet of life here. Ecología also gives permits all the time to kill trees that shouldn't be just because someone has some influence. If they're applying the law so strictly then I want to know why they aren't also applying the law to noise polluters. Yes, Ecología, not the police, are the authority entrusted with regulating the noise from the bars. So if YOU get fined then I want to see these loud open-air bars operating with no regard for their neighbors get fined over and over. Saturday nights downtown is pretty much an intolerable cacophony for anyone daring to try to sleep with windows open before 4:00 a.m. Never mind the boombox vehicles and the putamobile driving around drowning out everyone else's lives with their noise. The hypocrisy really burns me up!

I should've gotten involved, but I was curious what would happen to you, and I regret that my worst fears were confirmed. I feel like I let you down.

Where did you pay? Did you get a receipt? I'll be seeing the Director de Ecología in a few days and you can bet I'll bring this up with him if I get the chance.

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The Lorax, "I speak for the expensive trees!"

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, September 04, 2019, 14:29 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
edited by Talley Ho, Wednesday, September 04, 2019, 16:26

Thanks for your interest and concern. We have copies of everything, including the original citation. I can sent you pictures of anything that might be of interest to you.

Interestingly, we were asked if we paid property taxes, we do, they looked things up and our fine was 5 pesos more than our property taxes for this year. Huh

We have all the paperwork, receipts, and paid with a credit card at Caja 1 at the Palacio Municipal. We kept our INAPAM cards out, handed them to the cashier and hoped. No luck, no discount.

As I stated above, we arrived and everything had been typed up and decided upon. We weren't told the fine until after we were asked about property taxes.

Hate being taken advantage of, but what can we do?

The Lorax, "I speak for the expensive trees!"

by midalake @, Wednesday, September 04, 2019, 15:31 (48 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Thanks for your interest and concern. We have copies of everything, including the original citation. I can sent you pictures of anything that might be of interest to you.

Interestingly, we were asked if we paid property taxes, we do, they looked things up and our fine was within 100p of our property tax bill. Huh

We have all the paperwork, receipts, and paid with a credit card at Caja 1 at the Palacio Municipal. We kept our INAPAM cards out, handed them to the cashier and hoped. No luck, no discount.

As I stated above, we arrived and everything had been typed up and decided upon. We weren't told the fine until after we were asked about property taxes.

Hate being taken advantage of, but what can we do?


You could of told them to get off your property and bring the police with them the first time. Quite frankly I would of not given them the time of day.

Me thinks you get scammed.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, September 04, 2019, 15:40 (48 days ago) @ midalake

We may have been overcharged, but "scammed?" I don't think so. We have receipts, all the paperwork, the money didn't go into anyone's pocket, but into the system.

We were in the wrong. Living in a foreign, to us, country, we prefer to be non confrontational. Why would we involve the police in a situation where we were in the wrong?

If we were overcharged, it happened in the office, not with the two officers that came to us. They were very helpful and repeatedly assured us that the cost would be minimal.

We may have been charged more than others, but the amount was officially determined.

The Lorax, "I speak for the expensive trees!"

by ZihuaRx @, Sunday, September 08, 2019, 12:42 (44 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Totally agree with you. Gotta love how cheap property taxes are in Mexico. I admire how well you guys are with acceptance. I strive to "Accept this moment as if I have chosen it". Still working on that. Don't let it wreck your day.... and it appears it hasn't. Take care.

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The Lorax, "I speak for the expensive trees!"

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, September 04, 2019, 15:45 (48 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Thanks for your interest and concern. We have copies of everything, including the original citation. I can sent you pictures of anything that might be of interest to you.

Interestingly, we were asked if we paid property taxes, we do, they looked things up and our fine was within 100p of our property tax bill. Huh

We have all the paperwork, receipts, and paid with a credit card at Caja 1 at the Palacio Municipal. We kept our INAPAM cards out, handed them to the cashier and hoped. No luck, no discount.

As I stated above, we arrived and everything had been typed up and decided upon. We weren't told the fine until after we were asked about property taxes.

Hate being taken advantage of, but what can we do?

Please send me everything. Lupita is as pissed off as I am, and she is on the phone at this moment. Please take photos of the trees, receipts and anything else you think is relevant. The Director is out of town, and it looks like while the cat’s away the rats will play.

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The Lorax, "I speak for the expensive trees!"

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, September 04, 2019, 16:06 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Sending them to you now. Thanks