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Cocodrilo Detenido en Zih Playa

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 01, 2020, 14:09 (65 days ago)

This is taking the beach closure a little too seriously by the local authorities.

PLEASE people, when you see a cocodrilo walking on the beach, DON'T call the Bomberos or the police or 911. Someone did so yesterday when a poor young cocodrilo made the mistake of walking on the empty beach at Playa Principal in broad daylight, and someone apparently felt the need to call the authorities to come capture it and remove it. THIS IS WRONG! IT'S THEIR WORLD, TOO, and they have just as much right if not more than humans to walk on the beaches whenever they want. Leave them be, please. We've destroyed enough of their habitat. Give them a break! It's not the Bomberos' fault for doing their job. Three of them came to take this little guy away either to La Ropa or Playa Linda, not sure.

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Cocodrilo Detenido en Zih Playa

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Friday, May 01, 2020, 14:44 (65 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Looks like he is the same size as one we see very occasionally near Sotovento VERY early in the morning, in the dark. He would run for the water as fast as he could.

Very much a Jurassic Park moment. Hope he is OK.

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Cocodrilo Detenido en Zih Playa

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 01, 2020, 14:59 (65 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Looks like he is the same size as one we see very occasionally near Sotovento VERY early in the morning, in the dark. He would run for the water as fast as he could.

Very much a Jurassic Park moment. Hope he is OK.

I'm really pissed off someone called the bomberos to remove him. Besides being traumatized by the event, the cocodrilo learned that HUMANS ARE A THREAT. Way to go whoever called the bomberos. You made the cocodrilo MORE of a threat to humans now.

Yes, we guessed it must live in the estero at La Ropa because of its size.

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Cocodrilo Detenido en Zih Playa

by Canada Pete @, Vancouver Island / San Jose / Houston, Friday, May 01, 2020, 15:19 (65 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Nice too see, when I first came to Zihu the population was only about 30,000. The Crocs and turtles where on every beach. The growth of Ixtapa funneled a need for more workers.

Those workers seemed to eat most of the crocs, eggs and Turtles. Someone probably would have killed it for food if not removed.

On another note, this would be a good time to cull all the dogs that frequent the beach.

Regards

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In To The Wind , We Go

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Cocodrilo Detenido en Zih Playa

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 01, 2020, 16:30 (65 days ago) @ Canada Pete

Nice too see, when I first came to Zihu the population was only about 30,000. The Crocs and turtles where on every beach. The growth of Ixtapa funneled a need for more workers.

Those workers seemed to eat most of the crocs, eggs and Turtles. Someone probably would have killed it for food if not removed.

On another note, this would be a good time to cull all the dogs that frequent the beach.

Regards

No, the workers didn’t eat them. Jeezuss where do you come up with this stuff?

The cocodrilos that used to live in what became Ixtapa’s golf course were mostly moved to Laguna del Negro or the lagoon that became the marina, although my wife took care of some before returning them to the campo de golf after it was finished.

The ones that lived in the lagoon that is now the marina were unfortunately slaughtered by greedy foráneos related to the marina construction to sell their skins. Pissed a lot of locals off.

The people who came to work for the hotels in Ixtapa are not responsible for the disappearance of turtles or cocodrilos. They either ate at their places of work as I also did when I worked at the Sheraton or they got their food at the local market like everyone else.

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by Canada Pete @, Vancouver Island / San Jose / Houston, Friday, May 01, 2020, 20:02 (65 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

When the Presedente was built, next to the krystal there was a river that ran from the swamp between the two, I would often throw chickens to the crocs in those days, watched people catch them, skin them and butcher them as well.

There was no marina, just a jungle across the street. Was pretty common to see iguanas in the trees , street and on the sides of the hotels back then as well.
Beach vendors would sell them on a stick back then, taste like chicken.

Back then it wasn't all that uncommon to come across a turtle carcass that had its top popped off and butchered, or to see people out collecting the eggs. A lot of those turtle shells were sold off until other countries made it illegal to bring them back.

Ixtapa Island had about a dozen lounge chairs and 1 pit toilet, the coral was still alive back then and you could make the fish boil by feeding them

Would be nice to see some of your pictures when those were the only two high rises there.

Back then there were no helicopters in Guzman Bay either, I think there's a hotel there now or something, but who knows, I dont get close enough to see it.

Sorry in advance if that doesnt fit your narrative. But it's what it was. Of course, that was before the tourist industry needed 70,000 more workers.

It was common back then to kill 3-5 bill fish a day in a super panga, there was not catch and release back then. They were commercial fisherman taking out a tourist, nothing was let go.

But as I have learned all so well, you can can never really go back home for it no longer exists.

Regards.

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In To The Wind , We Go

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Cocodrilo Detenido en Zih Playa

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 01, 2020, 21:27 (65 days ago) @ Canada Pete

When the Presedente was built, next to the krystal there was a river that ran from the swamp between the two, I would often throw chickens to the crocs in those days, watched people catch them, skin them and butcher them as well.

There was no marina, just a jungle across the street. Was pretty common to see iguanas in the trees , street and on the sides of the hotels back then as well.
Beach vendors would sell them on a stick back then, taste like chicken.

Back then it wasn't all that uncommon to come across a turtle carcass that had its top popped off and butchered, or to see people out collecting the eggs. A lot of those turtle shells were sold off until other countries made it illegal to bring them back.

Ixtapa Island had about a dozen lounge chairs and 1 pit toilet, the coral was still alive back then and you could make the fish boil by feeding them

Would be nice to see some of your pictures when those were the only two high rises there.

Back then there were no helicopters in Guzman Bay either, I think there's a hotel there now or something, but who knows, I dont get close enough to see it.

Sorry in advance if that doesnt fit your narrative. But it's what it was. Of course, that was before the tourist industry needed 70,000 more workers.

It was common back then to kill 3-5 bill fish a day in a super panga, there was not catch and release back then. They were commercial fisherman taking out a tourist, nothing was let go.

But as I have learned all so well, you can can never really go back home for it no longer exists.

Regards.

What is it with you? You keep pretending you know stuff that you don’t. Who knows what you saw or how you interpreted it in your condition, It’s not me that has a narrative.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 01, 2020, 22:38 (65 days ago) @ Canada Pete

Just to be clear, while sea turtles were still commonly eaten in the early 70’s, before any hotel opened its doors in Ixtapa, the practice was already in decline from what it had been. But killing cocodrilos has always been frowned upon by locals, as far as I know, long before they enjoyed legal protection. I lived across the road from the estero at La Ropa back then where cocodrilos lived and were never bothered. I am not surprised you would encounter poachers.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 10:38 (64 days ago) @ Canada Pete

When the Presedente was built, next to the krystal there was a river that ran from the swamp between the two, I would often throw chickens to the crocs in those days, watched people catch them, skin them and butcher them as well.

No river ever existed there. The arroyo from Posquelite runs to Laguna del Negro and Rió Ixtapa. Ixtapa was a huerta de cocos and a pantano. Much of that land once belonged to my wife's family before the Leyva family acquired it. The Ejido de Zihuatanejo never was paid for land it had stolen from them to build much of Ixtapa. The small lakes there are man made (my wife actually helped there, too). You should NEVER feed saurians because it makes them a danger to humans by teaching them we are a food source. Get caught doing that in Florida and you'll pay a hefty fine and likely be made to watch the gator be put to death. I wouldn't doubt you collaborated with poachers for the skins.

There was no marina, just a jungle across the street. Was pretty common to see iguanas in the trees , street and on the sides of the hotels back then as well.
Beach vendors would sell them on a stick back then, taste like chicken.

Beach vendors sell anything they can to gullible tourists everywhere, just like they used to do with the "devil rays" in Florida, dried out carcasses of the baby rays that looked like a demon.

Back then it wasn't all that uncommon to come across a turtle carcass that had its top popped off and butchered, or to see people out collecting the eggs. A lot of those turtle shells were sold off until other countries made it illegal to bring them back.

Actually, Playa Contramar in Zihuatanejo Bay was where local fishermen would dump turtle shells after catching them at sea and butchering them on the way in. They dumped them there because the practice was already in decline and frowned upon by many locals.

But it wasn't hotel or construction workers killing them, as you claimed, though many would buy the eggs to eat because they fell for the lie that they're an aphrodisiac.

Ixtapa Island had about a dozen lounge chairs and 1 pit toilet, the coral was still alive back then and you could make the fish boil by feeding them

A practice that is harmful to the fish and is supposed to be banned.

Would be nice to see some of your pictures when those were the only two high rises there.

I never carried a camera with me the times I walked to Ixtapa back when it was being built.

Back then there were no helicopters in Guzman Bay either, I think there's a hotel there now or something, but who knows, I dont get close enough to see it.

I can't find Guzman Bay on any map. Never heard of it. Are there whirlybirds there now?

Sorry in advance if that doesnt fit your narrative. But it's what it was. Of course, that was before the tourist industry needed 70,000 more workers.

I'm not the one making up stories here.

It was common back then to kill 3-5 bill fish a day in a super panga, there was not catch and release back then. They were commercial fisherman taking out a tourist, nothing was let go.

Greed, glutton and excess are undesirable traits everywhere. We still have a few fishermen breaking the laws here, but most everyone else condemns such practices especially including the local fishing boats that take tourists out. Not surprised to see you brag about it.

But as I have learned all so well, you can can never really go back home for it no longer exists.

Regards.

Yep, once humans destroy the beauty and balance of nature that's pretty much it.