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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Friday, May 01, 2020, 18:58 (62 days ago)

My wife just called Soriana and talked with a Supervisor. He said there is no age restriction in place. Mask required.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Friday, May 01, 2020, 19:01 (62 days ago) @ mexicoman

I believe that they said that to her, but this morning we saw the sign, were asked our ages and lied to get in.

A friend admitted to his 66 years and was turned away.

Maybe someone needs to sic the management on the security guys!

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Friday, May 01, 2020, 19:16 (62 days ago) @ Talley Ho

I believe that they said that to her, but this morning we saw the sign, were asked our ages and lied to get in.

A friend admitted to his 66 years and was turned away.

Maybe someone needs to sic the management on the security guys!

Perhaps they got a few phone calls and complaints at the door. How anyone could assume that people over 60 were more likely to be infected is ignorant. Any age group can be infected and/or an asymmetric carrier. Unless they begin testing at the door they haven't a clue who is infected.

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Friday, May 01, 2020, 19:18 (62 days ago) @ mexicoman

*asymptomatic

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by zulualpha, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 07:50 (62 days ago) @ mexicoman

The age restriction is not because of fears that older people are necessarily virus carriers. The age restriction is in place to protect vulnerable groups, such as seniors. That`s why "baggers" at Soriana, La Bodega, etc. were sent home weeks ago --because they were older folks and thus more at risk.

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by Ironwood @, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 14:54 (62 days ago) @ mexicoman

How anyone could assume that people over 60 were more likely to be infected is ignorant. Any age group can be infected and/or an asymmetric carrier. Unless they begin testing at the door they haven't a clue who is infected.

Thanks for the subsequent correction. I've been asymmetric ever since I turned 60.

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 15:01 (62 days ago) @ Ironwood

How anyone could assume that people over 60 were more likely to be infected is ignorant. Any age group can be infected and/or an asymmetric carrier. Unless they begin testing at the door they haven't a clue who is infected.


Thanks for the subsequent correction. I've been asymmetric ever since I turned 60.

I corrected my spell check system mistake on the following post but very funny.

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by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Friday, May 01, 2020, 19:20 (62 days ago) @ mexicoman

My wife just called Soriana and talked with a Supervisor. He said there is no age restriction in place. Mask required.

la mano izquierda no sabe lo que hace la mano derecha

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by donnaw305 @, Friday, May 01, 2020, 20:50 (62 days ago) @ mexicoman

I was there earlier today and turned away because I was an American! I have lived here full-time for almost 4 years! Guess I should have shown them my residence card! Ugh!

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by zulualpha, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 07:44 (62 days ago) @ donnaw305
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Turned away because you were American? Did they say that? What reason or evidence was presented to you that left you with that impression? Just curious.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 08:45 (62 days ago) @ donnaw305

I was there earlier today and turned away because I was an American! I have lived here full-time for almost 4 years! Guess I should have shown them my residence card! Ugh!

Or you could've simply SPOKEN UP in your perfect Spanish with a costeño accent. Works for me EVERY TIME. ;-)

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 13:57 (62 days ago) @ donnaw305

I was there earlier today and turned away because I was an American! I have lived here full-time for almost 4 years! Guess I should have shown them my residence card! Ugh!

Oh, and I'm pretty sure you weren't turned away for being American, because as you should know by now if you live here and partake of Mexican culture, we are ALL Americans from Tierra del Fuego to the Northern Territories and Greenland. ;-)

USA is not America :stirpot: :popcorn:

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 14:21 (62 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:

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by Ray @, Zihuatanejo, Mexico and Chicago, IL USA, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 14:21 (62 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I was there earlier today and turned away because I was an American! I have lived here full-time for almost 4 years! Guess I should have shown them my residence card! Ugh!

Oh, and I'm pretty sure you weren't turned away for being American, because as you should know by now if you live here and partake of Mexican culture, we are ALL Americans from Tierra del Fuego to the Northern Territories and Greenland. ;-)

USA is not America :stirpot:

Such utter BS, Rob. I am so tired of people like you saying "don't call yourself American, 'cause we're ALL Americans." I get the "technicality" of what you're saying but NO OTHER COUNTRY calls themselves Americans BUT the United States. People from Mexico call themselves Mexicans. People from Canada call themselves Canadian. People from Guatemala call themselves Guatemalan. And so on. We, the people of the United States of "America" have the absolute and unencumbered right to call ourselves " Americans" which, by the way, is what every other country in the world calls us. So, give it a effing rest!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 14:35 (62 days ago) @ Ray

I was there earlier today and turned away because I was an American! I have lived here full-time for almost 4 years! Guess I should have shown them my residence card! Ugh!

Oh, and I'm pretty sure you weren't turned away for being American, because as you should know by now if you live here and partake of Mexican culture, we are ALL Americans from Tierra del Fuego to the Northern Territories and Greenland. ;-)

USA is not America :stirpot:

Such utter BS, Rob. I am so tired of people like you saying "don't call yourself American, 'cause we're ALL Americans." I get the "technicality" of what you're saying but NO OTHER COUNTRY calls themselves Americans BUT the United States. People from Mexico call themselves Mexicans. People from Canada call themselves Canadian. People from Guatemala call themselves Guatemalan. And so on. We, the people of the United States of "America" have the absolute and unencumbered right to call ourselves " Americans" which, by the way, is what every other country in the world calls us. So, give it a effing rest!

There’s that arrogance that the world knows you by so well.

No, no other country calls themselves a nationally that doesn’t correspond to them. The French don’t say they are the only Europeans, The Chinese don’t claim to be the only Asians. Only the USA has this problem of believing they are the only Americans. What America do you think United States of America refers to? Check your nationality on your passport.

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by Ray @, Zihuatanejo, Mexico and Chicago, IL USA, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 14:54 (62 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Yeah, yeah. I am not a technicality. I live in the real world. And, in my world, I am American. And, only faux purists like you have a problem with this. So, with or without your permission, I will continue (arrogantly) calling myself American.

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by kjgco @, Colorado, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 15:37 (62 days ago) @ Ray

Great. Shout it from the highest rooftop. Who cares? I must say though, that in our extensive international travels, when we’re asked where we are from, we always answer the United States. “America” just doesn’t sound right, particularly recently.

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by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 16:15 (61 days ago) @ kjgco

Great. Shout it from the highest rooftop. Who cares? I must say though, that in our extensive international travels, when we’re asked where we are from, we always answer the United States. “America” just doesn’t sound right, particularly recently.

I say California and I am immediately worshipped

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by Mexalberta @, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 20:39 (61 days ago) @ mosesk

Just ordered our Make America Mexico Again Hats

Love the Map

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by Casa Juan @, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 23:27 (61 days ago) @ Mexalberta

where are the hats available ?

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by rojo, Sunday, May 03, 2020, 10:02 (61 days ago) @ Casa Juan

No embargo on MAGA hats

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by Ironwood @, Sunday, May 03, 2020, 13:00 (61 days ago) @ rojo

No embargo on MAGA hats

There SHOULD be an embargo on MAGA hats. Who in their right mind would wear one? It's the MAMA hats that are in demand. We were in Zihua for 3+ months, but never saw them for sale.

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by nicatnit, Wednesday, May 06, 2020, 23:47 (57 days ago) @ Ironwood

I would and I do. Copycats eat my grits!

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by Mexalberta @, Sunday, May 03, 2020, 10:33 (61 days ago) @ Casa Juan

Amazon
There are also T shirts and beach bags

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by nicatnit, Wednesday, May 06, 2020, 23:48 (57 days ago) @ Mexalberta

How original

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by Ray @, Zihuatanejo, Mexico and Chicago, IL USA, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 17:16 (61 days ago) @ kjgco

Who cares? Apparently, you do since you "cared" enough to respond. There's a big difference between telling someone that you're from the United States (I say Chicago, Los Estados Unidos in Mexico), and identifying as an "American" when discussing nationality.

I'm retired U.S. Army and I've traveled the world. I'm proud to be American, regardless of who currently occupies the White House. You keep doing you and I will do the same. Cheers.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, May 03, 2020, 14:57 (61 days ago) @ Ray

Who cares? Apparently, you do since you "cared" enough to respond. There's a big difference between telling someone that you're from the United States (I say Chicago, Los Estados Unidos in Mexico), and identifying as an "American" when discussing nationality.

I'm retired U.S. Army and I've traveled the world. I'm proud to be American, regardless of who currently occupies the White House. You keep doing you and I will do the same. Cheers.

Yes, I cared because to me the truth matters. I know a lot of folks consider me a dinosaur for having principles and living by them. Call yourself anything you want. Yuu can be Capt. Kirk of the Star Ship Enterprise for all I care. But the rest of the people in America will continue to consider your use of America to refer to your U.S. nationality or country name as incorrect. If you didn't know how the rest of the Americans felt then now you do. People from Tierra del Fuego to the Northern Territories have been calling themselves Americans since hundreds of years before the United States ever existed. This isn't about ME or YOU.

Thank you for your service. I did my bit.

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by nicatnit, Wednesday, May 06, 2020, 23:49 (57 days ago) @ Ray

Thank you for your service. I’m a proud American too. But I love Mexico as well.

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by Ray @, Zihuatanejo, Mexico and Chicago, IL USA, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 13:47 (57 days ago) @ nicatnit

Thank you for your service. I’m a proud American too. But I love Mexico as well.

Thank you! Appreciate it.

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by midalake @, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 08:19 (57 days ago) @ Ray

Who cares? Apparently, you do since you "cared" enough to respond. There's a big difference between telling someone that you're from the United States (I say Chicago, Los Estados Unidos in Mexico), and identifying as an "American" when discussing nationality.

I'm retired U.S. Army and I've traveled the world. I'm proud to be American, regardless of who currently occupies the White House. You keep doing you and I will do the same. Cheers.


I spend lots of time in Mexico and I do not wear anything with USA, or America on it any more. For people who do not know me and ask, I am from Canada. I do have a few Canada shirts I wear.
In the current times this is VERY PRUDENT.

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by Fly on the Wall, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 09:18 (57 days ago) @ midalake

Cute typo in your response . Perhaps due to an overindulgence in poutine and Canadian Club .

Incidentally as a Canadian who travels abroad frequently , I am often asked if i am American , not North American. If I meet an American , and I can’t detect a regional accident I will ask so what part of the States are you from . As for posing as a Canadian when traveling have seen that happen a fair number of times. When my kids went off back backing after university they often found that a lot of Americans stitched Canadian flags on their back packs . Made it easier for them in the hostels where kids from all over the world would stay. .

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by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 09:21 (57 days ago) @ Fly on the Wall

Cute typo in your response . Perhaps due to an overindulgence in poutine and Canadian Club .

Incidentally as a Canadian who travels abroad frequently , I am often asked if i am American , not North American. If I meet an American , and I can’t detect a regional accident I will ask so what part of the States are you from . As for posing as a Canadian when traveling have seen that happen a fair number of times. When my kids went off back backing after university they often found that a lot of Americans stitched Canadian flags on their back packs . Made it easier for them in the hostels where kids from all over the world would stay. .

I'm Swiss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_Swiss

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by midalake @, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 09:44 (57 days ago) @ Fly on the Wall

Cute typo in your response . Perhaps due to an overindulgence in poutine and Canadian Club .

Incidentally as a Canadian who travels abroad frequently , I am often asked if i am American , not North American. If I meet an American , and I can’t detect a regional accident I will ask so what part of the States are you from . As for posing as a Canadian when traveling have seen that happen a fair number of times. When my kids went off back backing after university they often found that a lot of Americans stitched Canadian flags on their back packs . Made it easier for them in the hostels where kids from all over the world would stay. .

No poutine and I prefer Yukon Jack. My wife is "Canadian" so I am able to fake Canada well....;-)

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by islandgirl @, Cowichan Valley, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 14:43 (57 days ago) @ midalake

You've already given yourself away as a fake, eh?

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by midalake @, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 15:48 (56 days ago) @ islandgirl

You've already given yourself away as a fake, eh?

Ya der eh. ;-)

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by Mexalberta @, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 10:34 (57 days ago) @ midalake

Who cares? Apparently, you do since you "cared" enough to respond. There's a big difference between telling someone that you're from the United States (I say Chicago, Los Estados Unidos in Mexico), and identifying as an "American" when discussing nationality.

I'm retired U.S. Army and I've traveled the world. I'm proud to be American, regardless of who currently occupies the White House. You keep doing you and I will do the same. Cheers.

I spend lots of time in Mexico and I do not wear anything with USA, or America on it any more. For people who do not know me and ask, I am from Canada. I do have a few Canada shirts I wear.
In the current times this is VERY PRUDENT.

I have had frequent requests from USA residents for Canadian stickers , hats etc.
Cant believe people wearing Trump hats , Stars and Stripes swim wear in Mexico. Appears to me like a kick in the head to the Mexicans.

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by Ray @, Zihuatanejo, Mexico and Chicago, IL USA, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 13:45 (57 days ago) @ midalake

Who cares? Apparently, you do since you "cared" enough to respond. There's a big difference between telling someone that you're from the United States (I say Chicago, Los Estados Unidos in Mexico), and identifying as an "American" when discussing nationality.

I'm retired U.S. Army and I've traveled the world. I'm proud to be American, regardless of who currently occupies the White House. You keep doing you and I will do the same. Cheers.

I spend lots of time in Mexico and I do not wear anything with USA, or America on it any more. For people who do not know me and ask, I am from Canada. I do have a few Canada shirts I wear.
In the current times this is VERY PRUDENT.

Nope. Call me crazy but I'm not going to hide the fact that I'm American. While I never wear the Stars and Stripes clothing overseas, I have no problem wearing Chicago Bears or White Sox or Bulls paraphernalia while traveling. I guess that's what spending 23 years proudly wearing a U.S. Army uniform will do to you.

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by nicatnit, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 17:45 (56 days ago) @ midalake

Why do you say that? I have never encountered any bad feedback or vibe from letting anyone in Zihua or Ixtapa that I’m from the USA. Now I don’t wear USA themed clothing when I’m in Mexico, but I don’t at home either except around Independence Day. I find that Mexicans are very welcoming of US Citizens as they are of all people that visit or reside as expats.

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by jay @, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 10:41 (57 days ago) @ Ray

Who cares? Apparently, you do since you "cared" enough to respond. There's a big difference between telling someone that you're from the United States (I say Chicago, Los Estados Unidos in Mexico), and identifying as an "American" when discussing nationality.

I'm retired U.S. Army and I've traveled the world. I'm proud to be American, regardless of who currently occupies the White House. You keep doing you and I will do the same. Cheers.

We've been meddling in the internal affairs of countries around the world for 75 years, 200 years in the Western Hemisphere, often violently; usually ineptly; almost always illegally and with poor-to-disastrous outcomes. Maybe it would be wise to step back and reconsider our imperialist ways. Maybe we're not the 'force for good in the world' like we pretend to be. Maybe we're not so exceptional after all. And maybe the rest of the world recognizes that and is tired of our interference. And maybe that's why 'Americans' are treated with disdain when they go abroad.

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by Ray @, Zihuatanejo, Mexico and Chicago, IL USA, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 13:37 (57 days ago) @ jay

Who cares? Apparently, you do since you "cared" enough to respond. There's a big difference between telling someone that you're from the United States (I say Chicago, Los Estados Unidos in Mexico), and identifying as an "American" when discussing nationality.

I'm retired U.S. Army and I've traveled the world. I'm proud to be American, regardless of who currently occupies the White House. You keep doing you and I will do the same. Cheers.

We've been meddling in the internal affairs of countries around the world for 75 years, 200 years in the Western Hemisphere, often violently; usually ineptly; almost always illegally and with poor-to-disastrous outcomes. Maybe it would be wise to step back and reconsider our imperialist ways. Maybe we're not the 'force for good in the world' like we pretend to be. Maybe we're not so exceptional after all. And maybe the rest of the world recognizes that and is tired of our interference. And maybe that's why 'Americans' are treated with disdain when they go abroad.

When I travel abroad, I am a tourist. Yes, an American tourist. I have never (as yet) been treated with "disdain" because of the decisions or actions taken by the U.S. government. I've discovered, especially when traveling in Mexico, that the locals are very capable of separating U.S government policies and actions from actual American tourists visiting their country. My motto: if you give respect, you will get respect. Works for me.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 15:37 (57 days ago) @ Ray

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by nicatnit, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 17:55 (56 days ago) @ Ray

Amen brother!

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by nicatnit, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 17:55 (56 days ago) @ jay

Agree about us trying to impose our ways on other people like we know best, it’s kind of arrogant. But we do try to push democracy over communism which isn’t all bad. But if an American is treated with disdain it’s usually because that person deserves it form acting a fool.

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by jay @, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 20:43 (56 days ago) @ nicatnit
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But we do try to push democracy over communism which isn’t all bad.

It's not a stark dichotomy - democracy vs communism. (Someday we'll talk about the false comparison - democracy being a political system while communism is essentially an economic system. But not today.) There are a lot of gray areas in between. Mostly, when we're not coddling bloodthirsty dictators, we push for (or impose) a faux democracy that installs a useful puppet and keeps the rubes quiet (Iraq! Purple thumbs!). But in the end it's designed solely to benefit our own narrow interests and not that of the locals.

In the fifties and sixties we talked a lot about foreign self-determination. We may have even believed it then. But you don't hear that anymore, and that's bipartisan.

And while we're here, I might as well mention this: We talk a lot about fighting, not to defend our country, but to 'protect our interests'. But what are our interests? We never really define them. And are those interests worth going to war over? Or even legal and ethical? We don't talk about that either. We just nod sagely and move on, pretending to understand while not having a clue. That's bipartisan too.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 08, 2020, 09:55 (56 days ago) @ jay

But we do try to push democracy over communism which isn’t all bad.

It's not a stark dichotomy - democracy vs communism. (Someday we'll talk about the false comparison - democracy being a political system while communism is essentially an economic system. But not today.) There are a lot of gray areas in between. Mostly, when we're not coddling bloodthirsty dictators, we push for (or impose) a faux democracy that installs a useful puppet and keeps the rubes quiet (Iraq! Purple thumbs!). But in the end it's designed solely to benefit our own narrow interests and not that of the locals.

In the fifties and sixties we talked a lot about foreign self-determination. We may have even believed it then. But you don't hear that anymore, and that's bipartisan.

And while we're here, I might as well mention this: We talk a lot about fighting, not to defend our country, but to 'protect our interests'. But what are our interests? We never really define them. And are those interests worth going to war over? Or even legal and ethical? We don't talk about that either. We just nod sagely and move on, pretending to understand while not having a clue. That's bipartisan too.

The truths you and I post here fall on deaf Chumplet "Murka-right-or-wrong" ears. People who buy into "Manifest Destiny" and "Murken Exceptionalism". Look at how so many U.S. citizens are simply viewing with trepidation if not outright scorn and racism the world's downtrodden seeking a better life, fleeing violence, in large part caused by U.S. actions. And we've seen more than once here from otherwise mild-mannered folks comments about the hordes of undesirables (aka darker-skinned non-English speakers) waiting to cross the "open border" and steal U.S. jobs and otherwise tarnish their "grand society". Pure BS for starters, and how convenient that these so-called caravans time their presence to coincide with U.S. elections. Uncanny. Especially considering we never had such a phenomenon here in Mexico previously. But we have had at least four unprovoked and unjustified invasions by the USA in the past two centuries, including one that resulted in the theft of half of Mexico's territory. In spite of that, Mexicans forgive but don't forget. The U.S. government time and time again behaves in ways that its own people would consider intolerable and unacceptable were any other nation to treat the USA the same way. And that, boys and girls, is not a great nation, it's the epitome of hypocrisy.

As has also been pointed out, for years the people of other nations including Mexicans have distinguished between bad U.S. governments and good U.S. people, but with the election of Bush and now The Chump, the world has a harder time making that distinction because in most countries if their elected leader behaved the way The Chump does, the reaction would be what you saw in Puerto Rico last year: the White House would be surrounded daily with protesting patriots, not armed white supremacists, demanding the resignation of the offensive elected official. But not the USA. Not the former so-called bastion of freedom and democracy. The Chump didn't "Make America Great Again". It was much greater before he ever came along. He represents its worst failing ever, and his opposition is a woman-fondling doddering senior fool without a policy or a notable achievement of his own, lucky if he can remember what day it is. A shame more of the USA's citizens don't see where this is going. "Vote blue no matter who" was always the DNC's mantra, and they never had any intention of allowing it to apply to Bernie.

I'm not optimistic about the fate of my birth nation. Bernie and the Progressive movement tried hard to bring the USA into the 21st century, but the decades of intentional dumbing down, and the current intentional sabotage-for-profit of the remaining federal institutions coupled with the mega-corporate takeover of the media pretty much ensures that the USA's future will be right out of one of those dystopian movies Hollywood produces with such proficiency. Your future will inevitably waver somewhere between Mad Max, Soylent Green and Hunger Games at the rate you're going with the plutocrats only solidifying their control of the nation.

So I encourage those who truly care, to help change that dystopian future instead of helping to bring it about. But first you have to wake up from the Matrix, if you can.

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by zulualpha, Friday, May 08, 2020, 11:30 (56 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

"Murkins" as a people, a society, an economic system have exhibited many positive attributes; learning from other countries and cultures is not one of them. Not picking up on the "progressive" idea of universal health care is a good example.

Canada, in so many ways a clone of Murkin consumerist culture, had the good sense to adopt universal health care as an idea-come-reality well over half a century ago.

Bernie Sanders would be a perfect fit today in Canada´s progressive movement (as represented by the New Democratic Party - NDP). Few of his ideas would be considered "radical" north of the 49th parallel. But take note: at the Federal level, Canada has never elected a full-fledged, NDP-progressive government.

So how can we imagine that Sanders ever had a realistic crack at Federal power in the redneck-inclined USA? It was never going to happen.

Will Bernie supporters, in a puerile pout, "stay home" and not vote for Biden next November 3rd, at the risk of repeating the 2016 "error," when they stayed home rather than vote for Hillary?

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by Bart, Friday, May 08, 2020, 12:24 (56 days ago) @ zulualpha

Will Bernie supporters, in a puerile pout, "stay home" and not vote for Biden next November 3rd, at the risk of repeating the 2016 "error," when they stayed home rather than vote for Hillary?


I don't think Biden will be on the ticket come November 3rd. I'm guessing Bernie doesn't think he'll be around either or he would have dropped out rather then just suspend his campaign.

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by nicatnit, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 15:04 (55 days ago) @ Bart

I think Biden isn’t going anywhere. This sex stuff will be a hassle for him, but doesn’t look like there is any proof either way. If it wasn’t Biden who do you think would emerge from the convention?

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by Bart, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 16:49 (54 days ago) @ nicatnit

I think Biden isn’t going anywhere. This sex stuff will be a hassle for him, but doesn’t look like there is any proof either way. If it wasn’t Biden who do you think would emerge from the convention?

First of all, I hope Biden is not replaced. I don't think it's the sexual assault (even though it sounds creditable) that will be his undoing. His cognitive skills seem to be slipping. If you look on youtube, there are many clips of him, having a hard time completing a sentence. These are not put out by conservatives, but mostly by Bernie's people. I'm not sure who will replace him, but I don't think it'll be Bernie. I was hoping to get a liberals point of view. Is there any chance he could be replaced and who might it be?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 08, 2020, 12:34 (56 days ago) @ zulualpha

"Murkins" as a people, a society, an economic system have exhibited many positive attributes; learning from other countries and cultures is not one of them. Not picking up on the "progressive" idea of universal health care is a good example.

Canada, in so many ways a clone of Murkin consumerist culture, had the good sense to adopt universal health care as an idea-come-reality well over half a century ago.

Bernie Sanders would be a perfect fit today in Canada´s progressive movement (as represented by the New Democratic Party - NDP). Few of his ideas would be considered "radical" north of the 49th parallel. But take note: at the Federal level, Canada has never elected a full-fledged, NDP-progressive government.

So how can we imagine that Sanders ever had a realistic crack at Federal power in the redneck-inclined USA? It was never going to happen.

Will Bernie supporters, in a puerile pout, "stay home" and not vote for Biden next November 3rd, at the risk of repeating the 2016 "error," when they stayed home rather than vote for Hillary?

Not the point. Voting for the lesser of evils is still supporting evil. The plutocrats still win. We The People still lose. The Constitution and everything it represents remains desecrated. The Chump currently defiles the White House precisely because the DNC chose to impose an unpopular candidate who motivated no one, except perhaps to vote against her, after she and the DNC helped make The Chump the GOP's leading candidate because it's more important for the plutocrats to retain their privileges than to allow a strictly anti-corruption candidate like Bernie to pull the rug out from under their feet. People err blaming Bernie supporters for not supporting corruption. Better to ask yourself how you find yourself supporting it and correct your own error.

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by zulualpha, Friday, May 08, 2020, 15:18 (56 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
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If your tirade is in any way relevant, please answer the following:

Why did Bernie Sanders come out in support of Biden´s candidacy, in a very public statement, given April 13th?

Do you not think Sanders expects his supporters (even the puritanical, ideological fundamentalists amongst them) to hold their nose and do the same?

Time seems to be running out. The shadow of lawless, US authoritarianism lengthens, as evidenced by Flynn´s release yesterday. Best to put the lid on 1960´s soap-box enthusiasms, like use of the word "plutocracy." It just doesn´t connect.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 08, 2020, 16:46 (55 days ago) @ zulualpha

If your tirade is in any way relevant, please answer the following:

Oh, well if we’re starting with a rude irrelevant misconception as a premise I doubt anything I say really matters to you because it certainly won’t to me.

Why did Bernie Sanders come out in support of Biden´s candidacy, in a very public statement, given April 13th?

Really? It’s not obvious? He’s a politician. It’s the job description. It’s the agreement he had to make to be allowed to run as a Democrat candidate. He’s willing to make that sacrifice to his image in front of shallow puritanical ideological fundamentalists for the greater good because it isn’t important. The end justifies the means when the partidocracy has usurped the free will of We The People by removing one of the most fundamental prerequisites for a successful democracy: an educated electorate.

Do you not think Sanders expects his supporters (even the puritanical ideological fundamentalists amongst them) to hold their nose and do the same?

Nope. No sane rational person with an understanding of the sociological makeup of any electorate would expect motivated voters to act against their interests and principles. The groupies and sleepwalkers are a different story. They’ll do whatever to please their rock star. This is yet another instance of the DNC selling out the true believers in their party to preserve their own interests. Enough voters simply won’t be motivated for Dems to win as they normally would when they believe in their nominee. It’ll be a much closer election than it should be, unless Biden steps aside or otherwise relinquishes the nomination and it goes to Bernie, then it will be Bernie by a landslide.

Time seems to be running out. The shadow of lawless, US authoritarianism lengthens, as evidenced by Flynn´s release yesterday. Best to put the lid on 1960´s soap-box enthusiasms, like use of the word "plutocracy." It just doesn´t connect.

Voter-shaming people for their education is never a winning argument. You disappoint me.

Back to siesta. ¡Ciao!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 08, 2020, 17:04 (55 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Forgot to add, since so many of Bernie’s supporters aren’t even Democrats, they feel no compulsion to “vote blue no matter who”. Something the Dems and wannabe Bernie-shamers would do well to remember.

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by nicatnit, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 09:53 (55 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

You would be a good political advisor, because you just hit a huge point relevant to the fall election. Notice how Trump is very careful not to diss Bernie. He even has said just the right compliment from time to time. He knows those votes are in play. Some Bernie supporters will vote for Trump for two reasons: To spite the DNC and because Bernie is a polulist and so is Trump. The ticket that could have won: Bernie and Biden together with Bernie on top. Bernie did surprisingly well in battleground states against HRC in 2016.

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by jay @, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 11:17 (55 days ago) @ nicatnit
edited by jay, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 11:38

Some Bernie supporters will vote for Trump for two reasons: To spite the DNC and because Bernie is a polulist and so is Trump.

Um, no. To think Bernie bros will vote for Trump to try to spite the DNC presumes that they're surprisingly stupid. They're not. They've had a good look at Trump for four years and are as appalled as the rest of us. Their disdain for the DNC isn't that strong.

And voting for Trump because they're both populists doesn't work either. That's like saying that last time around their favorite food was cherry cheesecake with whipped cream, but now it's broccoli with a side of sauerkraut. It doesn't compute. The gulf is far too wide to make that leap.

If anything, they might stay home (though not as many as people think) but if they do it's likely because they see Uncle Joe as more of the same ol same ol dreary neoliberalism. And they wouldn't be wrong. (The standard disclaimer here: Biden would still be light-years better than Trump.)

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by zulualpha, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 13:46 (55 days ago) @ jay

Excellent points, all.

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by nicatnit, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 15:21 (55 days ago) @ jay

ABC commissioned a poll and determined 15% of Bernie supporters would back Trump. Not all were Democrat voters, but there has to be something. Don’t disagree with your logic your points are well stated. But if my guy gets cheated I’m doing something about it, even though it might not make sense. Staying home is also the other concern for Biden camp as he doesn’t generate the enthusiasm that Obama or Bill Clinton could.

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by zulualpha, Friday, May 08, 2020, 17:16 (55 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Well, if Bernie is "willing to make that sacrifice" (backing Biden) to defeat the most dangerous incumbent president in US history, then his educated, rational, disciplined, focused supporters should do the same. It´s just common-sense, smart politics, ¿no?

Ideological purity we´ll leave to Islamic fundamentalists, and their krypto-fascist, silk-tied equals on the hard-right of Murkin politics.

¡Ya basta....! no tengo mas.....

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 08, 2020, 18:20 (55 days ago) @ zulualpha

Well, if Bernie is "willing to make that sacrifice" (backing Biden) to defeat the most dangerous incumbent president in US history, then his educated, rational, disciplined, focused supporters should do the same. It´s just common-sense, smart politics, ¿no?

You totally misinterpreted what I wrote. It was out of Bernie’s hands the instant the DNC decided to move against Bernie. Again, it is disingenuous to expect Bernie supporters to reward corruption by voting for the DNC’s imposed nominee.

Ideological purity we´ll leave to Islamic fundamentalists, and their krypto-fascist, silk-tied equals on the hard-right of Murkin politics.

¡Ya basta....! no tengo mas.....

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by nicatnit, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 09:32 (55 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

You hit the nail on the head. And they did it to Bernie two times in a row. Bernie had the best chance to win in my opinion. Many of his ideas are farther left of the mainstream,but he is smart enough to move towards,the center while not giving up his core beliefs. That would have been a good showdown with Trump. Both are populists and that plays well in the current political climate in the US

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by midalake @, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 11:33 (55 days ago) @ nicatnit
edited by midalake, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 11:46

You hit the nail on the head. And they did it to Bernie two times in a row. Bernie had the best chance to win in my opinion. Many of his ideas are farther left of the mainstream,but he is smart enough to move towards,the center while not giving up his core beliefs. That would have been a good showdown with Trump. Both are populists and that plays well in the current political climate in the US


I don't know where you get this total BS. NO ONE did anything to Bernie. Hillary won the popular vote in 2016, and Bernie did not have the support of democrat's to move on.

This year Bernie DROPPED OUT ON HIS OWN. PERIOD! No one forced him to do anything. AGAIN Bernie does not have the support of the majority of democrats. This is just Republican talking points to put a wedge and try to fracture people.

IN FACT the Democratic party is now more united than ever for a candidate. I can see why you and other traitors are worried.

The republican's have went all in on the abortion Trump. If there is any fracturing going on it is clearly in the republican party of 2020. All one has to do is look at the Lincoln Project, and Republican's For The Rule Of Law

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by nicatnit, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 15:08 (55 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

It was easy for the last election, HRC is just evil personified to me. Trump, warts and all, appealed to me because of his newly found conservative leanings and pro business approach. If the DNC had a better alternative this time I might consider. I did vote for Obama the first time, only to regret my choice.

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by Canada Pete @, Vancouver Island / San Jose / Houston, Friday, May 08, 2020, 13:02 (56 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

By Murkins I am assuming you mean everyone from Canada to Argentina right ?

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by jay @, Friday, May 08, 2020, 13:05 (56 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

The truths you and I post here fall on deaf Chumplet "Murka-right-or-wrong" ears. People who buy into "Manifest Destiny" and "Murken Exceptionalism"

Yeah but I'm bored, locked down at home and have nothing better to do. And besides, hope springs eternal that there could be a random reader out there with a sliver of an open mind that I might persuade. Or at least offer insights and angles that might not have occurred to them. It helps to pass the time.

Sometimes I think I'm kind of a mini-you, only more concise and without the drama.

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by nicatnit, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 09:58 (55 days ago) @ jay

Your post don’t fall on deaf ears. You and Rob express you opinions in a though provoking way although you both aren’t bashful that’s for sure.

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 00:12 (55 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

The most important thing that needs to happen in the upcoming election is to flip the Senate. It doesn’t really matter which democrat wins as long as Mitch controls the Senate, nothing is going to change. It doesn’t really matter if Joe or Bernie or Hillary wins if the Senate stays red. If Trump were somehow to win, a blue senate would stop him from doing most of what he wants to do.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 09:16 (55 days ago) @ Timmac

The most important thing that needs to happen in the upcoming election is to flip the Senate. It doesn’t really matter which democrat wins as long as Mitch controls the Senate, nothing is going to change. It doesn’t really matter if Joe or Bernie or Hillary wins if the Senate stays red. If Trump were somehow to win, a blue senate would stop him from doing most of what he wants to do.

Agree 1000%

While Mexico's elections have been steadily improving over the years, and the results show it, responding to the clamors of the Mexican people, the U.S. election process has not. It is no longer responsive or even trustworthy as a process. We saw the Georgia Supervisor of Election cheat to win the governorship over Stacy Abrams AND GET AWAY WITH IT without a hitch. Not much different than what we saw Jeb do for his bro in Florida's infamous presidential elections, only more efficiently. That the Republicans keep getting away with cheating is not surprising since it's the only way they win most elections, but to have everyone else basically act deaf, dumb and blind and not call it out means the rest of the country no longer pays close enough attention and like Melania they just don't care.

As I stated before in another discussion here, Mexico's election process has been used as a model in other nations. You saw indications of this with the photos of people showing their blue thumbs in Afghanistan and Iraq.

One area in which many Mexicans wish to see an improvement is in the executive elections. We hope to see changes so that those elections must be won by an absolute majority as in other Latin American nations. This helps forge coalitions among larger and smaller parties (not unlike a parliamentary system) but also helps legitimize the winner so that he or she doesn't represent only a simple majority between competing parties. For example, an executive can't claim to have a mandate if they only win 34% of the vote, and their proposals can easily be sabotaged by a belligerent Congress.

I grew up among people who fought hard and gave their all to build an honest and representative Democratic Party. They would be ashamed to see what's become of it. I also grew up with people who made sure the Republican Party had a decent and ethical value system. They would also be appalled at what's become of their party. Neither were enemies of the other, they simply had different approaches to running a government, but always with an eye towards honesty and transparency.

After Nixon the GOP became a party of bitter revenge-seeking hypocrites. But the failed actor they got elected managed to fool enough people that they got away with laying the groundwork for the multiple attacks on democracy coming from their own party today, while the Dems simply became complacent and allowed plutocrats to take over their own party so that they both became unrepresentative, unresponsive and beholding to no one but their donors, which thanks to Citizens United now includes multi-billionaires and corporations from China, Russia and the Middle east, among others. Good luck cleaning out that festering wound, USA.

#MoscowMitch and The Chump have been busy putting the final touches on a major stroke of the GOP's master plan: stacking the courts. You got a tiny tidbit of a taste of that this week with sycophant Billy Barr dropping charges against a confessed federal offender who peddled his influence to the highest bidder and lied about it to federal authorities. When the Justice Department becomes a political tool for the executive to reward and punish loyalists and opponents at his or her behest regardless of what the law says, freedom loving patriots and citizens should get very worried.

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by nicatnit, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 09:44 (55 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I cant say that Flynn was a choir boy and he definitely profited from his lobbying for Turkey and then didn’t report it. But the bigger issue was Obama’s weaponizing of the Justice department. That’s why HRC said: “if Trump wins we’re screwed”. It’s really too bad that our great institutions have been corrupted by politics, all of them and that’s a shame. So I agree with you basic point there and I don't see how that changes until we get better or great leaders that can when elections without selling out their values. I see nothing on the horizon to change any of that. We live in a hyper partisan USA. I wish it wasn’t so.

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by nicatnit, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 09:24 (55 days ago) @ Timmac

The upcoming election will be one of the most anticipated and interesting in recent memory because every possible scenario is in play. Most likely the current make up of R:Whitehouse, D: Congress, R:Senate will remain, but it could tilt to any combination. To be sure with Republicans having to defend 2/3 of the open seats the opportunity is there for Democrats. How the country emerges from the Covid 19 criris both in economic terms and in dealing with the Pandemic from a health standpoint will most likely tip the balance. I think that explains why there is a sharp divide along political lines about reopening the country, or not.

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by Ironwood @, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 19:16 (61 days ago) @ kjgco

Great. Shout it from the highest rooftop. Who cares? I must say though, that in our extensive international travels, when we’re asked where we are from, we always answer the United States. “America” just doesn’t sound right, particularly recently.

And I'll bet that when you are asked for your citizenship, you reply "American".

Rob has been beating this silly argument to death for years.

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by kjgco @, Colorado, Saturday, May 02, 2020, 19:38 (61 days ago) @ Ironwood

Great. Shout it from the highest rooftop. Who cares? I must say though, that in our extensive international travels, when we’re asked where we are from, we always answer the United States. “America” just doesn’t sound right, particularly recently.


And I'll bet that when you are asked for your citizenship, you reply "American".

Rob has been beating this silly argument to death for years.

No, I reply US, obviously.

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by zulualpha, Sunday, May 03, 2020, 09:23 (61 days ago) @ Ironwood

How about the politically-neutral "estadounidense" for use in place of "Americano?" It is correct Spanish, and offends no one, although one never knows! It IS a bit of a mouthfull (just spit it out fast), but your Mexican friends, neighbours, cab drivers et al will be impressed. Win/win use of a second language.

how about politically neutral "estado.....

by Ironwood @, Sunday, May 03, 2020, 13:23 (61 days ago) @ zulualpha
edited by Ironwood, Sunday, May 03, 2020, 14:05

How about the politically-neutral "estadounidense" for use in place of "Americano?" It is correct Spanish, and offends no one, although one never knows! It IS a bit of a mouthfull (just spit it out fast), but your Mexican friends, neighbours, cab drivers et al will be impressed. Win/win use of a second language.

You should have been a politician.

HOWEVER....isn't the full official name for Mexico "Estados Unidos Mexicanos"?
Therefore, wouldn't it be just as correct for a Mexican to say he is "estadounidense"?
Which should then prompt the question: "Estadounidense de donde?" Or, "Los estados unidos de qué"?
To which the answer, as much as Rob might cringe in protest, would have to be either "de America" or "de Mexico".

By the by, that infallible font of all wisdom, Wikipedia, says the following:

"The United States of America (USA), commonly known as the United States (U.S. or US) or simply America, is a country......"

The prosecution rests, your honour.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Sunday, May 03, 2020, 14:12 (61 days ago) @ Ironwood

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by Altona Stu @, Altona, Manitoba, Sunday, May 03, 2020, 16:08 (60 days ago) @ Ironwood

How about the politically-neutral "estadounidense" for use in place of "Americano?" It is correct Spanish, and offends no one, although one never knows! It IS a bit of a mouthfull (just spit it out fast), but your Mexican friends, neighbours, cab drivers et al will be impressed. Win/win use of a second language.


You should have been a politician.

HOWEVER....isn't the full official name for Mexico "Estados Unidos Mexicanos"?
Therefore, wouldn't it be just as correct for a Mexican to say he is "estadounidense"?
Which should then prompt the question: "Estadounidense de donde?" Or, "Los estados unidos de qué"?
To which the answer, as much as Rob might cringe in protest, would have to be either "de America" or "de Mexico".

By the by, that infallible font of all wisdom, Wikipedia, says the following:

"The United States of America (USA), commonly known as the United States (U.S. or US) or simply America, is a country......"

The prosecution rests, your honour.

The Wikipedia entry you cite (was it written by a US citizen? :-D ) appears to justify common usage but my impression is that US citizens' use of the word "American" to describe themselves is a natural result of the parochialism resulting from belief in US exceptionalism and the corollary that everything not US is irrelevant.

Of course, the American contributors to this bulletin board do not believe in that irrelevance but common usage continues.

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by nicatnit, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 17:58 (56 days ago) @ Altona Stu

I think it’s simpler than that. USA. The last letter America. Therefore American. It’s not so complicated.

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by crumbster, Monday, May 04, 2020, 10:21 (60 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

And Soccer is football, and football is American football, wait they play it on other continents too, so maybe oblong ball, nope rugby... hmmm. Rob what should we call that game??? Maybe Testosterone Smash? And They call themselves "World Champions" in baseball and basketball WTF is there nowhere else? LOL I happen to agree with you on this Rob....

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by islandgirl @, Cowichan Valley, Monday, May 04, 2020, 10:41 (60 days ago) @ crumbster

Right now you can call it RERUNS! Or replays if you're fussy! ;-)

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by nicatnit, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 17:59 (56 days ago) @ crumbster

They call them World Champions because the USA pros are the best. Why is hat hard to understand?

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by Mexalberta @, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 18:49 (56 days ago) @ nicatnit
edited by Mexalberta, Thursday, May 07, 2020, 19:07

They call them World Champions because the USA pros are the best. Why is hat hard to understand?

Except for the Canadians, Dominicans and Cubans that have won various MVP awards. A Greek NBA MVP from Greece and a Rookie of The Year from Spain. And coming to you soon some Asian award winners.
At least the NHL winners aren't called World Champions.
The Major League Baseball Champions win the World Series not the World Championship.
The 2017 World Baseball Classic Champions were the USA
The previous Tournament was won by Dominican Republic

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by nicatnit, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 09:55 (55 days ago) @ Mexalberta

The NHL should call their champion the World Champion. But I agree great athletes are from all over the world. I was just referring to the pro leagues. The US gets the talent and much has to do with the size of the audience

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by Mexalberta @, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 14:48 (55 days ago) @ nicatnit

The NHL should call their champion the World Champion. But I agree great athletes are from all over the world. I was just referring to the pro leagues. The US gets the talent and much has to do with the size of the audience

True Championships are bought due to the size of the audience

In rough numbers

The NHL Players

43% Canadian

30% European

Others including USA 27%

Also too bad politics isn't like sports where you can put the bad players on waivers and strengthen you team.

Your Team sure isn't a contender or award winner.

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by nicatnit, Saturday, May 09, 2020, 15:01 (55 days ago) @ Mexalberta

If politics were like sports and all the bad players were put on waivers, we couldn’t fill any teams of politicians. Most of our best pursue other lines of work. Politics is a crappy business or really a game that effects all of us. All about power of persuading voters.