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by rojo, Saturday, July 18, 2020, 15:31 (75 days ago)

United we stand, divided we die. This handling or non handling of this damn virus is not going to work the way we are doing it. A town like Zihua can not do it divided from the rest of the country, the whole country has get their crap in order. I think the only way to get the virus under control or beat it, is to shut everything down except the bare essentials for a couple of weeks. Everyone has to stay at home, wear masks if you have to go out and keep safe distance from others. The half assed way we are doing it, we will be in the same position as we are or worse if we carry on as we are now. The tourists that support this town has to be stopped for awhile so we have a chance to get back to normal. There are too many people and businesses hurting and what we are doing will only prolong the pain.
This thing about many people not taking the proper precautions because it is their right and freedom is BS, you have all the rights and freedom until it dangerously affects others. Are we too ignorant of the devastation this virus has and is affecting so many in this town, state, country and world

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, July 18, 2020, 15:57 (75 days ago) @ rojo

United we stand, divided we die. This handling or non handling of this damn virus is not going to work the way we are doing it. A town like Zihua can not do it divided from the rest of the country, the whole country has get their crap in order. I think the only way to get the virus under control or beat it, is to shut everything down except the bare essentials for a couple of weeks. Everyone has to stay at home, wear masks if you have to go out and keep safe distance from others. The half assed way we are doing it, we will be in the same position as we are or worse if we carry on as we are now. The tourists that support this town has to be stopped for awhile so we have a chance to get back to normal. There are too many people and businesses hurting and what we are doing will only prolong the pain.
This thing about many people not taking the proper precautions because it is their right and freedom is BS, you have all the rights and freedom until it dangerously affects others. Are we too ignorant of the devastation this virus has and is affecting so many in this town, state, country and world

Feel better now? That was some venting rant.

Maybe if you explained what you saw that set you off it would help, Zihuatanejo has been shut down for over 5 months. Most businesses remain closed and without clients. And you think waiting two weeks more will do what exactly?

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Saturday, July 18, 2020, 16:48 (75 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

We have already BEEN shut down for months!!! It slowed things down while people starved. Now what???

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by rojo, Saturday, July 18, 2020, 17:54 (75 days ago) @ Talley Ho

This has only been shut down for the responsible people who are taking it seriously. Tourist buses where the people dont practice very much safety, no masks, partying, and half the locals wear no mask. We either take it seriously or its going on through the winter tourist season, then how many businesses could survive, and how many more will be hungry. Yes, it may be a rant but cant we see how terrible the US is handling this issue, and we are basically following them

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, July 18, 2020, 18:28 (75 days ago) @ rojo

This has only been shut down for the responsible people who are taking it seriously. Tourist buses where the people dont practice very much safety, no masks, partying, and half the locals wear no mask. We either take it seriously or its going on through the winter tourist season, then how many businesses could survive, and how many more will be hungry. Yes, it may be a rant but cant we see how terrible the US is handling this issue, and we are basically following them

I'm pretty sure it's going to be with us for years, not just a winter season.

The businesses that are open are the ones allowed to be open, otherwise they are not open. The downtown streets are lined with closed businesses for blocks and blocks. Many will never open again.

We aren't "following" the USA. Our experience has been entirely different, in spite of the outright falsehoods some newspapers have been reporting. The state of Florida is almost twice as bad as the entire country of Mexico. I'd say we were doing great for a "third world sh¡thole country" with hardly any public healthcare resources. Somehow we slowed the pandemia down considerably. Last I heard there were only 20 Covid-19 patients at the Hospital General.

I recommend not watching news from the USA. Each day it's worse. It used to be a much better nation than it is now.
#BlackLivesMatter
#WeCantBreathe
#GetThatDraftDodgingRacistSonOfABitchOutOfTheWhiteHouse!

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by Tere @, Saturday, July 18, 2020, 20:55 (75 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Last night Mega Noticias had a segment on how much it costs if you're hospitalized in Zihua - just paying for medication, etc. And this morning my husband reported that MANY many more locals are wearing cubrebocas! Not so much the tourists. Still way better than the States from what I can see.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Sunday, July 19, 2020, 13:56 (74 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

How many journalists were killed in Mexico last year? How does that compare to the world? Are killings likely to make journalists more or less independent?

Reporting on journalist murders around the world

While I generally agree that reading news about a country in its own language is preferred, in some cases it shouldn't be one's only source of news. Places like Russia, China and North Korea are extreme examples of why this is. I am not equating Mexico with those countries but I do wonder how free the press is here. So I combine my reading of Mexican press reports with news reports from around the world to try and find the truth. Same as what I do with news about the U.S.

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www.casaarcoiriszihuatanejo.com

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by Ernie Gorrie ⌂ @, Sunday, July 19, 2020, 15:51 (74 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Rob wrote:,

I'd say we were doing great for a "third world sh¡thole country" with hardly any public healthcare resources.

Let’s be fair to Trump. ;-)

I think he reserved that particular pejorative for counties with predominantly Black people, like Haiti and African countries.

In a meeting with a group of senators on Jan. 11, Trump questioned why the U.S. would accept more immigrants from Haiti and "shithole countries" in Africa as he rejected a bipartisan immigration deal, according to one participant and people briefed on the remarkable Oval Office conversation. He said he instead would prefer immigrants from countries like predominantly white Norway.

https://www.fox13news.com/news/trump-meets-with-nigerian-president-says-some-african-nations-very-tough-places-to-live

Now if Mexico just had more Norwegians, it would move up on Trump’s hierarchy of countries.

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Sunday, July 19, 2020, 04:32 (74 days ago) @ rojo
edited by jaui, Sunday, July 19, 2020, 05:49

This has only been shut down for the responsible people who are taking it seriously. Tourist buses where the people dont practice very much safety, no masks, partying, and half the locals wear no mask. We either take it seriously or its going on through the winter tourist season, then how many businesses could survive, and how many more will be hungry. Yes, it may be a rant but cant we see how terrible the US is handling this issue, and we are basically following them.

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@rojo
IF I understand you well, one of your points is that a much higher "unity" rate is needed to defeat the problem.
The constant bickering among people (in general, not on Z Board) with their different perspectives as well as personal bias on the issue that we see on "social media" and in the news, although is understandable, I.M.O., serves to prolong the situation, as well as being somewhat counterproductive to getting a firm upper-hand on controlling and ultimately defeating the problem with the Covid-19 virus.

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by nicatnit, Sunday, July 19, 2020, 10:44 (74 days ago) @ jaui

Rojo you make a good point. In the sharply divided US the lack of unity on Covid where politics has permeated a health crisis, the lack of collective action (wearing masks to prevent transmission and social distancing) based on politics or carelessness, will prolong the Covid 19 crisis until a vaccine or Herd Immunity is achieved. Luckily the US has vast resources which help keep the death count down, Mexico is not as fortunate. Here is the heartland we don’t see the severe problems that the sunbelt is experiencing, however most people finally wear masks in public and businesses require their use. We have more space than many areas and that really helps. Like many on this board I long for the time when I can return to paradise, however long that may be.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Sunday, July 19, 2020, 13:31 (74 days ago) @ rojo

One of the key ways that the experts are gauging how well a country has on its pandemic is the percentage of positive tests. Higher percentages are worse because it indicates that a large number of cases are being missed by those responsible for counting. It also is an indication of how reliable the data a country is presenting with regards to infection rates. The following is just a data page, not a news article. Neither Mexico or the U.S. is doing particularly well. It makes me worried for the health of my family,friends and business. In that order. I hope people will pay attention and recognize how important it is to mask up and take this virus seriously.

If you scroll down a bit with this link you will see an interactive map.
Statistics page

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Humberto Romero
www.casaarcoiriszihuatanejo.com

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by Ernie Gorrie ⌂ @, Sunday, July 19, 2020, 16:00 (74 days ago) @ hromero

Hromero wrote:

One of the key ways that the experts are gauging how well a country has on its pandemic is the percentage of positive tests.

Another useful way is random testing for antibodies in a general population.

Using sero-prevalence research (looking for antibodies in the blood samples of a random group of people), it estimates fewer than one per cent of British Columbians were infected with coronavirus by the time first wave restrictions were eased in May.

It means around eight times more B.C. residents have been infected than the number of cases reported, the study authors estimate. Fewer than one in 100 people in the Lower Mainland became infected with COVID-19, suggesting an even lower infection rate for other parts of the province.

Skowronski said she believed the results were likely to be more accurate because the blood samples were random and not based on volunteers. Research dependent on voluntary donors tends to skew toward higher infection rates as those people often have reason to be worried they have the virus.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/serology-study-vancouver-1.5650758

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by qwerty @, Oregon, USA, Sunday, July 19, 2020, 17:49 (74 days ago) @ hromero

One of the key ways that the experts are gauging how well a country has on its pandemic is the percentage of positive tests. Higher percentages are worse because it indicates that a large number of cases are being missed by those responsible for counting. It also is an indication of how reliable the data a country is presenting with regards to infection rates. The following is just a data page, not a news article. Neither Mexico or the U.S. is doing particularly well. It makes me worried for the health of my family,friends and business. In that order. I hope people will pay attention and recognize how important it is to mask up and take this virus seriously.

If you scroll down a bit with this link you will see an interactive map.
Statistics page

Since diagnostic testing (nasal/throat swab, PCR analysis) is pretty much limited to suspected positive cases - people with symptoms or known exposure to a positive case, the positive rate is going to be quite high, much higher than if the methodology were random sampling. It's really really hard to have a handle on what's really going on. Hospitalizations are probably the best statistic, but that misses people who don't make it to the hospital and whose deaths might not get counted as COVID-19. The best strategy is to stay home as much as possible and wear a mask when in proximity to other humans outside one's "bubble". Not fun and really detrimental for people who need to earn a living.