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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, July 27, 2020, 14:04 (131 days ago)


https://youtu.be/5R-tNZYNPCU

As of last evening Zihuatanejo registered 428 cumulative confirmed cases of Covid-19, 233 cases recovered, 101 active cases, and 54 deaths. There has been a downward tendency in numbers of new cases the week before last compared to three weeks ago. Because of the delays awaiting test results, the past week is not included in the tendencies. But nationally the past two weeks have also shown a downward tendency of new cases. The free public testing that began locally last week is bound to increase local numbers, but let's hope the national trend continues.

The weekend tourists have all returned to their homes, and Zihuatanejo is once again mostly empty of tourists. This weekend saw more tourism than the previous weekend, but unfortunately lots of them were not seen wearing cubrebocas downtown.

Finally got water. The city sent us a pipa but it didn't have a long enough hose to reach our tinacos, so they sent a second one that did. It sure is handy to have friends in the right places.

A small delfín was spotted at Playa La Madera this morning by a friend. It's nice to see them in the bay. They are usually bothered by all the boat activity.

Besides our beautiful beaches, there are many other sights and activities worth making time for when you are here. Be sure to avail yourself of the wonderful people whose services I can wholeheartedly recommend. Please consider putting down a deposit for their services for your next visit. It will help them to make up for the past several months that they have been out of work like most folks here.

It's siesta time! My favorite Mexican custom! ¡Buen provecho!


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by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Monday, July 27, 2020, 18:56 (131 days ago) @ ZihuaRob


https://youtu.be/5R-tNZYNPCU

As of last evening Zihuatanejo registered 428 cumulative confirmed cases of Covid-19, 233 cases recovered, 101 active cases, and 54 deaths. There has been a downward tendency in numbers of new cases the week before last compared to three weeks ago. Because of the delays awaiting test results, the past week is not included in the tendencies. But nationally the past two weeks have also shown a downward tendency of new cases. The free public testing that began locally last week is bound to increase local numbers, but let's hope the national trend continues.

The weekend tourists have all returned to their homes, and Zihuatanejo is once again mostly empty of tourists. This weekend saw more tourism than the previous weekend, but unfortunately lots of them were not seen wearing cubrebocas downtown.

Finally got water. The city sent us a pipa but it didn't have a long enough hose to reach our tinacos, so they sent a second one that did. It sure is handy to have friends in the right places.

A small delfín was spotted at Playa La Madera this morning by a friend. It's nice to see them in the bay. They are usually bothered by all the boat activity.

Besides our beautiful beaches, there are many other sights and activities worth making time for when you are here. Be sure to avail yourself of the wonderful people whose services I can wholeheartedly recommend. Please consider putting down a deposit for their services for your next visit. It will help them to make up for the past several months that they have been out of work like most folks here.

It's siesta time! My favorite Mexican custom! ¡Buen provecho!


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Are there any conclusions to be drawn from the number of cases, the severity, the deaths.
Generally we hear that's older folks that die.
Is that obvious when you examine the incidence?
Is it hitting any sub-population harder than others?
Location?
Activities?
etc.?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, July 27, 2020, 19:25 (131 days ago) @ mosesk

Are there any conclusions to be drawn from the number of cases, the severity, the deaths.
Generally we hear that's older folks that die.
Is that obvious when you examine the incidence?
Is it hitting any sub-population harder than others?
Location?
Activities?
etc.?

While I appreciate curiosity, if any of those questions mattered much to me I'd be living in the wrong place. It's enough that it's here, it's making the rounds in the colonias, and people we know are dying.

Obvious locations and activities where people congregate, all it takes is one Covidiot to ruin your day. Unhealthy people are who are dying. You can look healthy and still have other conditions. I don't care to play Russian-roulette with anyone's health. We practice safe hygiene and we only will be around others who do the same. Shopping remains the biggest unavoidable risk.

Not sure which is worse: the virus or virus-mania. We just need to follow the sage advice of the experts, and here in Mexico that should be the Subsecretaría de Salud Dr. Hugo López-Gatell.

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by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Monday, July 27, 2020, 19:37 (131 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Are there any conclusions to be drawn from the number of cases, the severity, the deaths.
Generally we hear that's older folks that die.
Is that obvious when you examine the incidence?
Is it hitting any sub-population harder than others?
Location?
Activities?
etc.?


While I appreciate curiosity, if any of those questions mattered much to me I'd be living in the wrong place. It's enough that it's here, it's making the rounds in the colonias, and people we know are dying.

Obvious locations and activities where people congregate, all it takes is one Covidiot to ruin your day. Unhealthy people are who are dying. You can look healthy and still have other conditions. I don't care to play Russian-roulette with anyone's health. We practice safe hygiene and we only will be around others who do the same. Shopping remains the biggest unavoidable risk.

Not sure which is worse: the virus or virus-mania. We just need to follow the sage advice of the experts, and here in Mexico that should be the Subsecretaría de Salud Dr. Hugo López-Gatell.

As Albert Einstein famously said: ““I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious.”

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, July 27, 2020, 22:35 (131 days ago) @ mosesk

Are there any conclusions to be drawn from the number of cases, the severity, the deaths.
Generally we hear that's older folks that die.
Is that obvious when you examine the incidence?
Is it hitting any sub-population harder than others?
Location?
Activities?
etc.?


While I appreciate curiosity, if any of those questions mattered much to me I'd be living in the wrong place. It's enough that it's here, it's making the rounds in the colonias, and people we know are dying.

Obvious locations and activities where people congregate, all it takes is one Covidiot to ruin your day. Unhealthy people are who are dying. You can look healthy and still have other conditions. I don't care to play Russian-roulette with anyone's health. We practice safe hygiene and we only will be around others who do the same. Shopping remains the biggest unavoidable risk.

Not sure which is worse: the virus or virus-mania. We just need to follow the sage advice of the experts, and here in Mexico that should be the Subsecretaría de Salud Dr. Hugo López-Gatell.


As Albert Einstein famously said: ““I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious.”

Surely he and you are both wiser than I’ll ever be, so I’ll take that as good advice, though I do certainly keep my passions in reserve, right? ;-)

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by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Monday, July 27, 2020, 22:36 (131 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Are there any conclusions to be drawn from the number of cases, the severity, the deaths.
Generally we hear that's older folks that die.
Is that obvious when you examine the incidence?
Is it hitting any sub-population harder than others?
Location?
Activities?
etc.?


While I appreciate curiosity, if any of those questions mattered much to me I'd be living in the wrong place. It's enough that it's here, it's making the rounds in the colonias, and people we know are dying.

Obvious locations and activities where people congregate, all it takes is one Covidiot to ruin your day. Unhealthy people are who are dying. You can look healthy and still have other conditions. I don't care to play Russian-roulette with anyone's health. We practice safe hygiene and we only will be around others who do the same. Shopping remains the biggest unavoidable risk.

Not sure which is worse: the virus or virus-mania. We just need to follow the sage advice of the experts, and here in Mexico that should be the Subsecretaría de Salud Dr. Hugo López-Gatell.


As Albert Einstein famously said: ““I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious.”


Surely he and you are both wiser than I’ll ever be, so I’ll take that as good advice, though I do certainly keep my passions in reserve, right? ;-)

HA!
well played Rob!

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by hromero ⌂ @, Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 11:14 (130 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I will add though, that I am increasingly encouraged at the number of people who are now wearing masks. There seems to be less of the idiotic anti maskers that the U.S. seems to be plagued with.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 11:12 (130 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

This article lays out, using data, why I can't be on the same page as you regarding this topic.

Spanish New York Times article

This is another article that talks about excess deaths that highlights why the data being used to say we have peaked or not is probably not accurate.

Report on higher than expected deaths compared to prior years

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 12:03 (130 days ago) @ hromero

This article lays out, using data, why I can't be on the same page as you regarding this topic.

Spanish New York Times article

This is another article that talks about excess deaths that highlights why the data being used to say we have peaked or not is probably not accurate.

Report on higher than expected deaths compared to prior years

That first article is an opinion hit piece and has no objective value whatsoever to me. I didn't bother to read it after the word OPINION and the by-line. Not even a doctor.

I don't judge Dr. López-Gatell's credibility or success according to the opinions of others. I judge by what I can hear and see and experience. Besides watching his daily briefing frequently, I try to keep up with news across Mexico via numerous sources, avoiding as much bias as possible. I don't put much credence in foreign news about Mexico's response to the Covid-19 pandemia, especially the NYTimes which helped drum up excitement and rationale for George W. Bush's war in Iraq.

The data may be flawed, as Dr. López-Gatell points out frequently, because it is coming from the states and municipios, and each one has its own criteria for gathering and reporting data. He's accused some states of not providing reliable data on purpose. Not his fault. He has to work with what he has. But neither he nor most people believe it is so flawed as to affect its validity. Unreported cases are to be expected. The same with the deaths. The purpose of the data is to either confirm a tendency or denote a different one. The methodology the SSA has been using from the start has been continuously tweaked and improved, but the primary goal of slowing down the spread of the pandemia was achieved. now the goal is to reduce the spread and the rate of transfer. That's not so much up to the doctor as it's up to the governors and presidentes municipales, as well as each one of us.

I'm not concerned if there were 15 or 20 new cases in a week, or whether there were 5 or 10 deaths in a week. Details in the data such as those are insignificant in the bigger picture, and may cause you to be unable to see the forest for the trees. I'm more concerned what our state's and community's responses are, if the people are behaving responsibly or not, and if the measures taken by the presidente municipal or the gobernador are adequate and effective.

I'm convinced Dr. Hugo López-Gatell is doing a commendable job, that he has helped save thousands of lives, and that he deserves our gratitude, not the ridicule, scorn and criticism coming at him mostly from agents of the PAN and the PRI.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 12:34 (130 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

This article lays out, using data, why I can't be on the same page as you regarding this topic.

Spanish New York Times article

This is another article that talks about excess deaths that highlights why the data being used to say we have peaked or not is probably not accurate.

Report on higher than expected deaths compared to prior years


That first article is an opinion hit piece and has no objective value whatsoever to me. I didn't bother to read it after the word OPINION and the by-line. Not even a doctor.

I don't judge Dr. López-Gatell's credibility or success according to the opinions of others. I judge by what I can hear and see and experience. Besides watching his daily briefing frequently, I try to keep up with news across Mexico via numerous sources, avoiding as much bias as possible. I don't put much credence in foreign news about Mexico's response to the Covid-19 pandemia, especially the NYTimes which helped drum up excitement and rationale for George W. Bush's war in Iraq.

The data may be flawed, as Dr. López-Gatell points out frequently, because it is coming from the states and municipios, and each one has its own criteria for gathering and reporting data. He's accused some states of not providing reliable data on purpose. Not his fault. He has to work with what he has. But neither he nor most people believe it is so flawed as to affect its validity. Unreported cases are to be expected. The same with the deaths. The purpose of the data is to either confirm a tendency or denote a different one. The methodology the SSA has been using from the start has been continuously tweaked and improved, but the primary goal of slowing down the spread of the pandemia was achieved. now the goal is to reduce the spread and the rate of transfer. That's not so much up to the doctor as it's up to the governors and presidentes municipales, as well as each one of us.

I'm not concerned if there were 15 or 20 new cases in a week, or whether there were 5 or 10 deaths in a week. Details in the data such as those are insignificant in the bigger picture, and may cause you to be unable to see the forest for the trees. I'm more concerned what our state's and community's responses are, if the people are behaving responsibly or not, and if the measures taken by the presidente municipal or the gobernador are adequate and effective.

I'm convinced Dr. Hugo López-Gatell is doing a commendable job, that he has helped save thousands of lives, and that he deserves our gratitude, not the ridicule, scorn and criticism coming at him mostly from agents of the PAN and the PRI.

So because it is an opinion piece that may contradict your view point you won't even read it? Even though it has excellent links to studies and perspectives from medical professionals around the world? It is disappointing to me to see you write that. There are many medical professionals who have expressed concern and outright opposition to Dr. Hugo Lopez-Gatell's approach and I suspect that even he is not entirely comfortable with it but probably feels like he has to continue on due to the overall messaging from the administration. I agree that it isn't his fault that municipios aren't providing accurate data, but I would argue that it is his fault that he continues to use a modeling that depends on the accuracy of that data. It is his fault for not heeding the advice of medical experts around the world who have pointed out that the modeling doesn't work for Covid-19 because it doesn't behave the same way that previous Corona Viruses do. It is his fault for failing to advocate strongly for mask wearing despite messaging from his boss. It is his fault for proclaiming that the intensity of the virus is coming down when he is well aware that the data he is using is inaccurate.

If you think that a country that is the 11th most populous and has the 4th highest number of confirmed deaths (of what is confirmed, not actual) is commendable, then we have very different standards that has nothing to do with party affiliation. I too look around at my community to help inform me about what I read and I continue to be very concerned. My love of this country, and the people in it, is what leads me to want to advocate for something better. I have a business that is very much dependent on us doing a better job and I am very concerned that our leaders aren't changing course when new information comes available to turn the situation around.

We shall soon find out.

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Humberto Romero
www.casaarcoiriszihuatanejo.com

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 13:20 (130 days ago) @ hromero

This article lays out, using data, why I can't be on the same page as you regarding this topic.

Spanish New York Times article

This is another article that talks about excess deaths that highlights why the data being used to say we have peaked or not is probably not accurate.

Report on higher than expected deaths compared to prior years


That first article is an opinion hit piece and has no objective value whatsoever to me. I didn't bother to read it after the word OPINION and the by-line. Not even a doctor.

I don't judge Dr. López-Gatell's credibility or success according to the opinions of others. I judge by what I can hear and see and experience. Besides watching his daily briefing frequently, I try to keep up with news across Mexico via numerous sources, avoiding as much bias as possible. I don't put much credence in foreign news about Mexico's response to the Covid-19 pandemia, especially the NYTimes which helped drum up excitement and rationale for George W. Bush's war in Iraq.

The data may be flawed, as Dr. López-Gatell points out frequently, because it is coming from the states and municipios, and each one has its own criteria for gathering and reporting data. He's accused some states of not providing reliable data on purpose. Not his fault. He has to work with what he has. But neither he nor most people believe it is so flawed as to affect its validity. Unreported cases are to be expected. The same with the deaths. The purpose of the data is to either confirm a tendency or denote a different one. The methodology the SSA has been using from the start has been continuously tweaked and improved, but the primary goal of slowing down the spread of the pandemia was achieved. now the goal is to reduce the spread and the rate of transfer. That's not so much up to the doctor as it's up to the governors and presidentes municipales, as well as each one of us.

I'm not concerned if there were 15 or 20 new cases in a week, or whether there were 5 or 10 deaths in a week. Details in the data such as those are insignificant in the bigger picture, and may cause you to be unable to see the forest for the trees. I'm more concerned what our state's and community's responses are, if the people are behaving responsibly or not, and if the measures taken by the presidente municipal or the gobernador are adequate and effective.

I'm convinced Dr. Hugo López-Gatell is doing a commendable job, that he has helped save thousands of lives, and that he deserves our gratitude, not the ridicule, scorn and criticism coming at him mostly from agents of the PAN and the PRI.


So because it is an opinion piece that may contradict your view point you won't even read it? Even though it has excellent links to studies and perspectives from medical professionals around the world? It is disappointing to me to see you write that. There are many medical professionals who have expressed concern and outright opposition to Dr. Hugo Lopez-Gatell's approach and I suspect that even he is not entirely comfortable with it but probably feels like he has to continue on due to the overall messaging from the administration. I agree that it isn't his fault that municipios aren't providing accurate data, but I would argue that it is his fault that he continues to use a modeling that depends on the accuracy of that data. It is his fault for not heeding the advice of medical experts around the world who have pointed out that the modeling doesn't work for Covid-19 because it doesn't behave the same way that previous Corona Viruses do. It is his fault for failing to advocate strongly for mask wearing despite messaging from his boss. It is his fault for proclaiming that the intensity of the virus is coming down when he is well aware that the data he is using is inaccurate.

If you think that a country that is the 11th most populous and has the 4th highest number of confirmed deaths (of what is confirmed, not actual) is commendable, then we have very different standards that has nothing to do with party affiliation. I too look around at my community to help inform me about what I read and I continue to be very concerned. My love of this country, and the people in it, is what leads me to want to advocate for something better. I have a business that is very much dependent on us doing a better job and I am very concerned that our leaders aren't changing course when new information comes available to turn the situation around.

We shall soon find out.

Because I am extremely busy working at the moment, no, I don't have the time or inclination to follow the links and read all the opinion piece. I glanced at it and saw the makings of a political hit piece going after the AMLO administration. But I am confident that if I did, I could also write a counter opinion piece in Spanish and cherry pick links to back up my point of view if I thought the argument being presented merited it. But with all due respect I don't find merit in your argument or the claims I've seen by other doctors for whatever reasons that criticize Dr. Hugo López-Gatell because I've seen none that didn't appear to have an ulterior motive, usually to diss Presidente López-Obrador because his administration poses threats to a political party or to specific economic interests. Let's remember, he is anti-neoliberal and anti-corruption, and that steps on the toes of a lot of greedy interests.

Please examine the motives of the writer of the NYT article. I doubt he just came up with the topic because he found it interesting. My dismissal of the article has nothing to do with my political beliefs. You assume me to be a fanatic that I'm not. Just my basic college training.

Like I said, I really couldn't care less what any doctor or anyone looking to get their name in the media thinks about Dr. Hugo López-Gatell or what he's accomplished. I repeat and stress again, the results speak for themselves and they are commendable.

And once again you make the erroneous comment about masks, which is otherwise insignificant except that it displays what I consider a flaw in your critical thinking. Dr. Hugo López-Gatell insisted on using masks since late February or early March, if I recall correctly. At no time to my knowledge did he equivocate or make excuses for the presidente whose flaws are his own, and never have I seen or heard him kowtow to any political interest whether from the presidente, Morena or the gobernadores. The very day the health contingency was officially declared I was in one of Guerrero's state-run hospitals in Acapulco and I saw the entire staff go instantly into health contingency mode. EVERYONE was wearing a mask and using hand sanitizer. That order came from the SSA, from Dr. Hugo López-Gatell. His modelling has worked well enough, regardless if it is or isn't the same modelling used by any other country. The man has clearly demonstrated that he DOES know what he's doing. The results speak for themselves.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 13:41 (130 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

So on one hand you say that you don't accept the criticism of the writer of the article that I posted because they are not a doctor but on the other hand you say that you don't care what a myriad other doctors say about their criticism of Dr. Hugo López-Gatell's approach because they have some other "motives". What are those motives? What are the motives of the writer of the article I linked? What un-biased source are you using that doesn't have other "motives"? You call into question my critical thinking skills (which are also college educated) because I have somehow posted inaccurate information. Do you have links for Dr. Hugo López-Gatell saying that masks can help retard the spread of the virus? Because I have been reading comments like the ones in this article. Dr. Hugo Lopez-Gatell says there is no evidence masks help prevent the spread of Covid-19 and this one Another Report. Yes, he has been advising that people in certain situations should wear masks, but with huge Caveats and particularly when it comes to whether or not AMLO should be wearing masks.

I have not assumed you to be a "fanatic" of any kind. I am simply expressing my concern about the response of this government to the current pandemic and the completely opposite point of view that you seem to have about it. You claim that my critical thinking is flawed but offer no counter evidence or address the data points that I have presented. If I am wrong about this, I am open to being convinced, but I require data to be convinced. Opinions alone are not enough for me.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 15:20 (130 days ago) @ hromero

So on one hand you say that you don't accept the criticism of the writer of the article that I posted because they are not a doctor but on the other hand you say that you don't care what a myriad other doctors say about their criticism of Dr. Hugo López-Gatell's approach because they have some other "motives". What are those motives? What are the motives of the writer of the article I linked? What un-biased source are you using that doesn't have other "motives"? You call into question my critical thinking skills (which are also college educated) because I have somehow posted inaccurate information. Do you have links for Dr. Hugo López-Gatell saying that masks can help retard the spread of the virus? Because I have been reading comments like the ones in this article. Dr. Hugo Lopez-Gatell says there is no evidence masks help prevent the spread of Covid-19 and this one Another Report. Yes, he has been advising that people in certain situations should wear masks, but with huge Caveats and particularly when it comes to whether or not AMLO should be wearing masks.

I have not assumed you to be a "fanatic" of any kind. I am simply expressing my concern about the response of this government to the current pandemic and the completely opposite point of view that you seem to have about it. You claim that my critical thinking is flawed but offer no counter evidence or address the data points that I have presented. If I am wrong about this, I am open to being convinced, but I require data to be convinced. Opinions alone are not enough for me.

Again, amigo, what is it about the RESULTS you question? You keep going to past media articles and gotcha pieces and intentionally confusing and misleading interpretations, but I'm not hearing anything about what is actually going on, i.e. RESULTS. As I mentioned earlier, I don't know which is worse, the virus or the virus-mania. I'm content to leave the details to the experts. I haven't played "doctor" since I was a little kid (when I had my Dr. Kildare medical kit). Compared to most other nations I believe we here in Mexico should be extremely satisfied with the results that the measures taken by our nation's competent experts in our Secretaría de Salud have achieved so far. I'm just not seeing any substance or merit to your criticism.

Whenever there has been valid criticism of Dr. Hugo López-Gatell or his team that warranted a response, he has addressed it. He is extremely articulate and not in the least bashful about addressing valid criticism. Listen to his daily briefings. I still believe you're not seeing the forest for the trees. Estás ahogando en un vaso de agua.

Now see, I've spent what little free time I had this morning on this topic that now I don't have time for a photo, some music, and a daily Covid-19 report. It'll have to wait until after siesta when I should be working on a website project I've got underway. Don't you feel bad? ;-)

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by hromero ⌂ @, Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 15:40 (130 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I don't know if you meant it this way or not, but your claim that my interpretations "of being intentionally confusing and misleading" is offensive. First of all it is a claim on your part that you know my intentions and second of all you seem to be directly accusing me of trying to lie. I can tell you without reservation that neither of those are true. If you think that I have misunderstood something then please address those directly and don't pretend like you know my intentions. Whether you believe me or not, my intentions are to affect change with Mexico's current response and I don't share my perspective only here but on other spanish language sites. I have loved ones who have become ill with this virus and while none of them have died, not all of them are recovered either. Their ability to get testing or care has been abysmal. I want that to change. I recently went almost four months without business and that was painful. I don't want to have to do that again.

As far as results, I have already posted one result that you have not addressed. Mexico is the 11th most populous country in the world and has the 4th highest number of confirmed deaths. What about that result is false, biased or intentionally misleading?

No creo que estoy ahogado. Al contrario, de me perspectivo estoy mirando el situación de un perspectivo que es diferente y posiblemente mejor. Puedes convencer mi de otro manera pero necesito mas de un opinion. Como tu, soy ateo. Y soy ateo porque no solo aceptaba las palabras de los autoridades de mi juventud y investige.

I feel no responsibility for your choice to respond to my posts ;-) Enjoy your siesta.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 16:08 (130 days ago) @ hromero

I don't know if you meant it this way or not, but your claim that my interpretations "of being intentionally confusing and misleading" is offensive. First of all it is a claim on your part that you know my intentions and second of all you seem to be directly accusing me of trying to lie. I can tell you without reservation that neither of those are true. If you think that I have misunderstood something then please address those directly and don't pretend like you know my intentions. Whether you believe me or not, my intentions are to affect change with Mexico's current response and I don't share my perspective only here but on other spanish language sites. I have loved ones who have become ill with this virus and while none of them have died, not all of them are recovered either. Their ability to get testing or care has been abysmal. I want that to change. I recently went almost four months without business and that was painful. I don't want to have to do that again.

As far as results, I have already posted one result that you have not addressed. Mexico is the 11th most populous country in the world and has the 4th highest number of confirmed deaths. What about that result is false, biased or intentionally misleading?

No creo que estoy ahogado. Al contrario, de me perspectivo estoy mirando el situación de un perspectivo que es diferente y posiblemente mejor. Puedes convencer mi de otro manera pero necesito mas de un opinion. Como tu, soy ateo. Y soy ateo porque no solo aceptaba las palabras de los autoridades de mi juventud y investige.

I feel no responsibility for your choice to respond to my posts ;-) Enjoy your siesta.

You read my comment entirely wrong.

Yes, you continue not to see the forest for the trees. Of what use is your “datum” that Mexico is in whatever place without analyzing the different factors among nations including the resources they have available and other variables? But then once again we would find ourselves mired in useless trivia. Ahogando en un vaso de agua.

Respondo porque eres un estimado amigo. Un abrazo.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 18:16 (130 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Fair enough :-)

One more set of data to address the resources available to Mexico vs. other countries. There are countries around the world that provide a way forward who have similar or less resources on a per person basis. Rwanda and Uruguay are both countries that have had far more successful responses to the pandemic than Mexico and in Uganda's case with far fewer resources. Rwanda has used "pool testing" which tests groups of people together and then when a pool shows positive they test the whole group again individually. This allows them to control costs while still provide wide testing along with contact tracing. It may be too late for Mexico to use this method but it proves that a lack of resources doesn't have to be a barrier to an effective response.

Pool Testing explained

Article about Uruguay.

Gracias Rob por mantener un espacio donde podemos subir perspectivas de nuestra querido ciudad y país, a pesar que no coincide con los perspectivos tuyos.

Un abrazo.

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Humberto Romero
www.casaarcoiriszihuatanejo.com

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 18:40 (130 days ago) @ hromero

Mis queridos amigos:
Es muy agradable ver a personas que tienen una discusión política, en desacuerdo, pero que se mantienen civilizadas y anuncian su amistad.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 19:02 (130 days ago) @ hromero

I am not going to get into a debate with Rob over this as he seems to be set in his ways of thinking but I certainly disagree with his views on the RESULTS as he puts it and would side with you on this. Having 55 deaths so far in your area and climbing is very concerning. Considering this is the reported numbers and of course we are likely missing some data, it is scary considering the population base. The amount of cases is one thing and obviously I am not happy by the amount there either but I would be even more concerned if I was there about the treatment if I get sick. Sadly what a lot of folks either don't know or miss about the issue with covid, especially the younger(under 40) who are fit is that covid hits everybody without discrimination and it may not kill a lot of younger people but leaves many with lifelong health issues, particularly long and heart damage.

I would not compare your situation with the US as obviously they are in a whole different shitshow, but when I look at my region and how we have handled it so far, I sure feel for you. And I have a feeling the worst is yet to come...

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 18:53 (130 days ago) @ hromero

:megusta:

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 18:49 (130 days ago) @ hromero

:megusta:

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by Fuceneh @, Monday, July 27, 2020, 19:01 (131 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Great song. Gracias!!