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by Amiga de Montreal @, Friday, October 09, 2020, 08:39 (49 days ago)

According to recent studies, the risk of contracting Covid on a plane is very, very low. Encouraging!

https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/pr/2020-09-08-012/

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by midalake @, Friday, October 09, 2020, 08:44 (49 days ago) @ Amiga de Montreal

According to recent studies, the risk of contracting Covid on a plane is very, very low. Encouraging!

https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/pr/2020-09-08-012/

A study done by the Airline Association :-(

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by Amiga de Montreal @, Friday, October 09, 2020, 08:53 (49 days ago) @ midalake

I prefer to trust the IATA than not having any numbers and staying in the fog:

Geneva - The International Air Transport Association (IATA) demonstrated the low incidence of inflight COVID-19 transmission with an updated tally of published cases. Since the start of 2020 there have been 44 cases of COVID-19 reported in which transmission is thought to have been associated with a flight journey (inclusive of confirmed, probable and potential cases). Over the same period some 1.2 billion passengers have traveled.

“The risk of a passenger contracting COVID-19 while onboard appears very low. With only 44 identified potential cases of flight-related transmission among 1.2 billion travelers, that’s one case for every 27 million travelers. We recognize that this may be an underestimate but even if 90% of the cases were un-reported, it would be one case for every 2.7 million travelers. We think these figures are extremely reassuring. Furthermore, the vast majority of published cases occurred before the wearing of face coverings inflight became widespread,” said Dr. David Powell, IATA’s Medical Advisor.

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by Mexalberta @, Friday, October 09, 2020, 12:05 (49 days ago) @ Amiga de Montreal

Infectious disease experts contradict the airline industry facts.
they wouldn't fly.
Also check the Government of Canada website that gives info on flights that had passengers with Covid.
It gives data on Domestic and International flights, obvious pre-flight screening isn't working.
Why would a sane individual fly to a location that has more covid than the one they left.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, October 09, 2020, 12:36 (49 days ago) @ Mexalberta

Infectious disease experts contradict the airline industry facts.
they wouldn't fly.
Also check the Government of Canada website that gives info on flights that had passengers with Covid.
It gives data on Domestic and International flights, obvious pre-flight screening isn't working.
Why would a sane individual fly to a location that has more covid than the one they left.

You appear overcome and helpless with fear, amigo.

Zihuatanejo has more Covid-19 than where you are? Then stay there and freeze your tail off cowering indoors and ordering food delivered to your home. I for one am infinitely thankful to be right where I am. I've been to Acapulco at least half a dozen times or more this year by bus and taxi, and I won't hesitate to go again by either means because I trust myself to be able to follow simple basic rules of hygiene, as millions of other people do daily that have to travel by whatever means they have available.

I'm in the "at risk" group, yet I wouldn't hesitate to fly south to a warm tropical climate if I were a snowbird. It's a simple matter to follow BASIC RULES OF HYGIENE by wearing a mask and washing hands after touching things other people have touched.

The air filtration system aboard modern aircraft is among the most sophisticated available, and the flow of air is designed so as not to circulate randomly around inside the cabin but to maintain a steady stream of filtration, adding to the safety of passengers. Since everyone is required to wear a facemask you shouldn't have to worry about other passengers sneezing or coughing on you, which along with touching infected services and touching one's face afterwards is usually how people get infected with any virus or bacteria aboard an aircraft.

But don't take my word for it. Inform yourself:
What Are HEPA Filters? Will They Keep Me Safe When Flying?

Here we go with the criticisms for my "condescending" and "cavalier" attitude again. Fuggem!

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by Saskbrian @, Ixtapa, Friday, October 09, 2020, 12:56 (49 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta: I agree with everything you stated above ,With only one exception : If you have other health issues ,you may want to reconsider your plans for vacation this year Otherwise Get on board and come on down.

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by Finn, Friday, October 09, 2020, 13:04 (49 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Flying to your destination is only part of the problem when taking a holiday these days. Aside from airlines cancelling flights all the time there is the added risk of not being able to return home if you do get sick. In Canada you are also required to self isolate for 2 weeks when you return. Taking a holiday is no longer a straightforward thing to do. We look forward to returning to Zihuatanejo when most of the challenges are over.

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by kjgco @, Colorado, Friday, October 09, 2020, 14:22 (49 days ago) @ Finn

Agree 100%! As you point out, to travel or not is not the simple decision that some seem to make it out to be. For us it isn't a Zihua decision only; it's planes/hotels/restaurants/taxis etc. Four medical professionals figured in our decision to put all of this type of travel on hold.

Nobody is operating with perfect information, certainly not those offering their opinions on an Internet board. All of us have to make decisions in an uncertain environment. Why it is so difficult for some to feel the need to denigrate or behave in a condescending manner to others for reaching different conclusions is puzzling to me.

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by midalake @, Friday, October 09, 2020, 13:14 (49 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Infectious disease experts contradict the airline industry facts.
they wouldn't fly.
Also check the Government of Canada website that gives info on flights that had passengers with Covid.
It gives data on Domestic and International flights, obvious pre-flight screening isn't working.
Why would a sane individual fly to a location that has more covid than the one they left.


You appear overcome and helpless with fear, amigo.

Zihuatanejo has more Covid-19 than where you are? Then stay there and freeze your tail off cowering indoors and ordering food delivered to your home. I for one am infinitely thankful to be right where I am. I've been to Acapulco at least half a dozen times or more this year by bus and taxi, and I won't hesitate to go again by either means because I trust myself to be able to follow simple basic rules of hygiene, as millions of other people do daily that have to travel by whatever means they have available.

I'm in the "at risk" group, yet I wouldn't hesitate to fly south to a warm tropical climate if I were a snowbird. It's a simple matter to follow BASIC RULES OF HYGIENE by wearing a mask and washing hands after touching things other people have touched.

The air filtration systems aboard modern aircraft is among the most sophisticated available, and the flow of air is designed so as not to circulate randomly around inside the cabin but to maintain a steady stream of filtration, adding to the safety of passengers. Since everyone is required to wear a facemask you shouldn't have to worry about other passengers sneezing or coughing on you, which along with touching infected services and touching one's face afterwards is usually how people get infected with any virus or bacteria aboard an aircraft.

But don't take my word for it. Inform yourself:
What Are HEPA Filters? Will They Keep Me Safe When Flying?

Here we go with the criticisms for my "condescending" and "cavalier" attitude again. Fuggem!


Says the guy who never leaves downtown Z and gets his food delivered! :stirpot:

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, October 09, 2020, 13:19 (49 days ago) @ midalake

Infectious disease experts contradict the airline industry facts.
they wouldn't fly.
Also check the Government of Canada website that gives info on flights that had passengers with Covid.
It gives data on Domestic and International flights, obvious pre-flight screening isn't working.
Why would a sane individual fly to a location that has more covid than the one they left.


You appear overcome and helpless with fear, amigo.

Zihuatanejo has more Covid-19 than where you are? Then stay there and freeze your tail off cowering indoors and ordering food delivered to your home. I for one am infinitely thankful to be right where I am. I've been to Acapulco at least half a dozen times or more this year by bus and taxi, and I won't hesitate to go again by either means because I trust myself to be able to follow simple basic rules of hygiene, as millions of other people do daily that have to travel by whatever means they have available.

I'm in the "at risk" group, yet I wouldn't hesitate to fly south to a warm tropical climate if I were a snowbird. It's a simple matter to follow BASIC RULES OF HYGIENE by wearing a mask and washing hands after touching things other people have touched.

The air filtration systems aboard modern aircraft is among the most sophisticated available, and the flow of air is designed so as not to circulate randomly around inside the cabin but to maintain a steady stream of filtration, adding to the safety of passengers. Since everyone is required to wear a facemask you shouldn't have to worry about other passengers sneezing or coughing on you, which along with touching infected services and touching one's face afterwards is usually how people get infected with any virus or bacteria aboard an aircraft.

But don't take my word for it. Inform yourself:
What Are HEPA Filters? Will They Keep Me Safe When Flying?

Here we go with the criticisms for my "condescending" and "cavalier" attitude again. Fuggem!

Says the guy who never leaves downtown Z and gets his food delivered! :stirpot:

You just flunked reading comprehension. You really have no idea about my life because I make it a point not to post most of it in public, but I did just mention going to Acapulco over half a dozen times this year. La boca del lobo. Y no pasa nada porque sé cuidarme.

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by rdcosta @, Friday, October 09, 2020, 17:28 (49 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Good response Rob I for one agree with you and my wife and I are very anxious to be there and will be on November 7th. The key to this problem is no matter where you are it is important to follow the rules as set out by the doctors and medical professionals . It doesn't matter whether you're in Canada or Zihau the rules are the same so just follow them and enjoy life, or stay in Canada and freeze your but off. More people here will be spending more time indoors as the weather gets colder which will increase the chances of contracting the disease, I'll take my chances where I can be outdoors

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Friday, October 09, 2020, 19:46 (49 days ago) @ Mexalberta

Absolutely correct! We have plenty of data showing infections coming from flights in this province and across the country. Now it gets tricky as the airlines are debating this, saying the infection happened at the airports, likely going through security...

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Friday, October 09, 2020, 13:01 (49 days ago) @ Amiga de Montreal

If you actually read the article it does state that the inside of airplanes is safe. However it cautions that airports and public transportation getting to airports are NOT included in the study. So once you get on the plane you’re likely to be ok. It’s going to and from the plane and the crowds associated with it are problematic.

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by Mag B, Friday, October 09, 2020, 13:17 (49 days ago) @ Amiga de Montreal

This is good news but on the other side, airline companies are still cancelling flights :-( . Our flight from Toronto to ZIH on December 12th with Air Canada has been cancelled yesterday. We rescheduled with AeroMexico (from Montreal with a transfer in Mexico City). We hope it is a better plan. If not, my husband is considering driving From Montreal to ZIH ... Nothing will stop him ;-)

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by Ironwood @, Friday, October 09, 2020, 15:39 (49 days ago) @ Mag B

This is good news but on the other side, airline companies are still cancelling flights :-( . Our flight from Toronto to ZIH on December 12th with Air Canada has been cancelled yesterday. We rescheduled with AeroMexico (from Montreal with a transfer in Mexico City). We hope it is a better plan. If not, my husband is considering driving From Montreal to ZIH ... Nothing will stop him ;-)

He's certainly not driving down if the borders remain closed.
Flying, maybe. Driving? No. The announcement on whether the border-closing will be extended beyond 21 October should be made in another week or so. With the increase in new cases in both Canada and the US, my bet is the closure will be extended for at least another month.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Friday, October 09, 2020, 16:36 (49 days ago) @ Mag B

The border between Mexico and the US going south has never been closed. I have a number of forum members that have made numerous crossing both directions with no issues at all. One has asked each time he has crossed if there is any issue with getting an FMM (tourist visa) at the border and been told that there is not. He is a US citizen.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Friday, October 09, 2020, 19:54 (49 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Ironwood is talking about crossing the Canada/US border, which is shut down for non-essential and to which is a given the date for reopening will get extended due to the amount of new cases.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Friday, October 09, 2020, 20:53 (49 days ago) @ cd69

He lives in the US.

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by Ironwood @, Friday, October 09, 2020, 21:55 (49 days ago) @ Talley Ho
edited by Ironwood, Friday, October 09, 2020, 22:06

He lives in the US.

Mag B's husband is talking of driving to Z from Montreal. Since the Canada/US land border crossings are closed for tourists, it doesn't matter if the US/Mexico land border crossings are open.

https://youtu.be/wRYtkvKB-Ss

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 00:32 (49 days ago) @ cd69

Ironwood is talking about crossing the Canada/US border, which is shut down for non-essential and to which is a given the date for reopening will get extended due to the amount of new cases.

Officially, US/Mexico "non essential" land crossings are also still prohibited until at least October 21. However, that is only keeping Mexicans from crossing into the US. Except for a few days where the US border crossing agents were "educating" all those US citizens coming back to the States, it has been business as usual for us US citizens crossing back and forth. (During the few days of the "education" process, the wait to cross from Tijuana to San Ysidro extended up to nine hours. One woman died of a heart attack while waiting.)

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by Craig AKA the cruise ship guy @, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 09:42 (48 days ago) @ Amiga de Montreal

Be there in 2 weeks. Return flight got canceled so I have to stay an extra day. Canadians can’t come due to the 14 day they would be stuck at home on the return so they like to tell all us Americans how wrong we are for traveling. Guess it makes them feel better. Flown to Cabo at the end of June and driven to Reno 3 times during this shit. I’ll report back early November, if you don’t hear from me then you can assume I was full of shit and COVID got me. These Canadian’s that think we are so wrong should stay away from any vaccine that us Americans come up with. So funny that some believe they are so superior by staying home and hiding. What are you doing to help our poor Mexican friends? We have been giving our unused travel money(wife’s work restricted us for a while) to charities and a special family in Mexico. Hiding under a rock is not going to save Mexico. We created this economy by traveling there and now need to support it while we cannot, otherwise there won’t be much to come back to. Don’t listen to me as I’m a Republican so everything that goes wrong is my fault. Just trying to keep America great!:stirpot:

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 10:13 (48 days ago) @ Craig AKA the cruise ship guy

Be there in 2 weeks. Return flight got canceled so I have to stay an extra day. Canadians can’t come due to the 14 day they would be stuck at home on the return so they like to tell all us Americans how wrong we are for traveling. Guess it makes them feel better. Flown to Cabo at the end of June and driven to Reno 3 times during this shit. I’ll report back early November, if you don’t hear from me then you can assume I was full of shit and COVID got me. These Canadian’s that think we are so wrong should stay away from any vaccine that us Americans come up with. So funny that some believe they are so superior by staying home and hiding. What are you doing to help our poor Mexican friends? We have been giving our unused travel money(wife’s work restricted us for a while) to charities and a special family in Mexico. Hiding under a rock is not going to save Mexico. We created this economy by traveling there and now need to support it while we cannot, otherwise there won’t be much to come back to. Don’t listen to me as I’m a Republican so everything that goes wrong is my fault. Just trying to keep America great!:stirpot:

Uh oh. Now you've gone and done it! ;-)


https://youtu.be/KYTvj9Z_rlo

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by el vagabundo @, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 10:34 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

He did Rob, he painted that one with a broad brush

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by Mexalberta @, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 10:58 (48 days ago) @ Craig AKA the cruise ship guy

Be there in 2 weeks. Return flight got canceled so I have to stay an extra day. Canadians can’t come due to the 14 day they would be stuck at home on the return so they like to tell all us Americans how wrong we are for traveling. Guess it makes them feel better. Flown to Cabo at the end of June and driven to Reno 3 times during this shit. I’ll report back early November, if you don’t hear from me then you can assume I was full of shit and COVID got me. These Canadian’s that think we are so wrong should stay away from any vaccine that us Americans come up with. So funny that some believe they are so superior by staying home and hiding. What are you doing to help our poor Mexican friends? We have been giving our unused travel money(wife’s work restricted us for a while) to charities and a special family in Mexico. Hiding under a rock is not going to save Mexico. We created this economy by traveling there and now need to support it while we cannot, otherwise there won’t be much to come back to. Don’t listen to me as I’m a Republican so everything that goes wrong is my fault. Just trying to keep America great!:stirpot:

Thank you for your confession. You and your like minded friends are the reason there were 57000 cases reported today in The United States Of America.
You are being very successful at remaining number 1. A position no one else wants.
I don't have a Make America Great Hat
But I do have a MAKE AMERICA MEXICO AGAIN hat.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 12:42 (48 days ago) @ Mexalberta

Be there in 2 weeks. Return flight got canceled so I have to stay an extra day. Canadians can’t come due to the 14 day they would be stuck at home on the return so they like to tell all us Americans how wrong we are for traveling. Guess it makes them feel better. Flown to Cabo at the end of June and driven to Reno 3 times during this shit. I’ll report back early November, if you don’t hear from me then you can assume I was full of shit and COVID got me. These Canadian’s that think we are so wrong should stay away from any vaccine that us Americans come up with. So funny that some believe they are so superior by staying home and hiding. What are you doing to help our poor Mexican friends? We have been giving our unused travel money(wife’s work restricted us for a while) to charities and a special family in Mexico. Hiding under a rock is not going to save Mexico. We created this economy by traveling there and now need to support it while we cannot, otherwise there won’t be much to come back to. Don’t listen to me as I’m a Republican so everything that goes wrong is my fault. Just trying to keep America great!:stirpot:


Thank you for your confession. You and your like minded friends are the reason there were 57000 cases reported today in The United States Of America.
You are being very successful at remaining number 1. A position no one else wants.
I don't have a Make America Great Hat
But I do have a MAKE AMERICA MEXICO AGAIN hat.

Now you are being discourteous. Craig and his lovely wife have nothing to do with the spread of the virus in the USA. He and his wife have gone to extremes to respect the health protocols. Because they are confident in their ability to keep themselves safe, they are confident they can now travel to Zihuatanejo where our low numbers and the observance of proper health protocols by lodging providers does not pose prohibitive risks.

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by kjgco @, Colorado, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 13:18 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Personally, I think that there has been evidence of discourteousness from some on both sides of this ongoing discussion. Accusations of hiding, fear, etc. are just as questionable as is blaming individuals for spreading the virus. NOBODY here is operating with perfect information. People have (hopefully) made informed decisions that they feel that are best for them and their families. Some friends and acquaintances have made a similar decision as us and have put almost all travel plans on hold, while others have weighed the risk and decided that it’s an acceptable one. As long as they follow safety protocols, I have no issue with that at all. Conversely, I expect to receive the same degree of respect for making the choice we made, and for the most part that has been the case.
There’s something about the relative anonymity inherent in Internet message boards, I guess.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 14:33 (48 days ago) @ kjgco

Personally, I think that there has been evidence of discourteousness from some on both sides of this ongoing discussion. Accusations of hiding, fear, etc. are just as questionable as is blaming individuals for spreading the virus. NOBODY here is operating with perfect information. People have (hopefully) made informed decisions that they feel that are best for them and their families. Some friends and acquaintances have made a similar decision as us and have put almost all travel plans on hold, while others have weighed the risk and decided that it’s an acceptable one. As long as they follow safety protocols, I have no issue with that at all. Conversely, I expect to receive the same degree of respect for making the choice we made, and for the most part that has been the case.
There’s something about the relative anonymity inherent in Internet message boards, I guess.

The old "very fine people on both sides" argument, eh? :snicker:

My comments about fear were related to mental health. If you don't believe that worry and fear can harm your physical health and even kill you, then I urge you to read up on depression. My comments on the matter are not cavalier or condescending. They were intended to be helpful, but some folks decided I meant something I didn't. That's all I'm going to say for now. I'll repeat a very relevant Mexican saying: Si digo que el burro es pardo es porque tengo los pelos en la mano.

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by kjgco @, Colorado, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 14:57 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Personally, I think that there has been evidence of discourteousness from some on both sides of this ongoing discussion. Accusations of hiding, fear, etc. are just as questionable as is blaming individuals for spreading the virus. NOBODY here is operating with perfect information. People have (hopefully) made informed decisions that they feel that are best for them and their families. Some friends and acquaintances have made a similar decision as us and have put almost all travel plans on hold, while others have weighed the risk and decided that it’s an acceptable one. As long as they follow safety protocols, I have no issue with that at all. Conversely, I expect to receive the same degree of respect for making the choice we made, and for the most part that has been the case.
There’s something about the relative anonymity inherent in Internet message boards, I guess.


The old "very fine people on both sides" argument, eh? :snicker:

My comments about fear were related to mental health. If you don't believe that worry and fear can harm your physical health and even kill you, then I urge you to read up on depression. My comments on the matter are not cavalier or condescending. They were intended to be helpful, but some folks decided I meant something I didn't. That's all I'm going to say for now. I'll repeat a very relevant Mexican saying: Si digo que el burro es pardo es porque tengo los pelos en la mano.

Yes, I believe that both sides, if we're forced to call them that, have valid arguments, and that their positions should be respected. It's worked for us. Imagine that!

I do have some knowledge of the mental health issues you referenced, but won't go into detail. Please note, though, that I wasn't responding to your comments in particular; I did use the word "some" when describing the discussion.

Above all, I think we need to keep in mind that all of us are in the midst of a very difficult situation and are affected in very different ways. I'll leave it there.

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by Mexalberta @, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 19:26 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Personally, I think that there has been evidence of discourteousness from some on both sides of this ongoing discussion. Accusations of hiding, fear, etc. are just as questionable as is blaming individuals for spreading the virus. NOBODY here is operating with perfect information. People have (hopefully) made informed decisions that they feel that are best for them and their families. Some friends and acquaintances have made a similar decision as us and have put almost all travel plans on hold, while others have weighed the risk and decided that it’s an acceptable one. As long as they follow safety protocols, I have no issue with that at all. Conversely, I expect to receive the same degree of respect for making the choice we made, and for the most part that has been the case.
There’s something about the relative anonymity inherent in Internet message boards, I guess.


The old "very fine people on both sides" argument, eh? :snicker:

My comments about fear were related to mental health. If you don't believe that worry and fear can harm your physical health and even kill you, then I urge you to read up on depression. My comments on the matter are not cavalier or condescending. They were intended to be helpful, but some folks decided I meant something I didn't. That's all I'm going to say for now. I'll repeat a very relevant Mexican saying: Si digo que el burro es pardo es porque tengo los pelos en la mano.


You are the one that keeps bringing fear into the conversation. My point of view is based on the desire to live a healthy life. Most of the visitors have a common risk factor for a severe outcome from Covid, AGE and many like myself only have that risk factor, other than the disease itself.
We have worked many years in order to live a relaxing life, and sharing with adult children and grandchildren. throwing it away in a weak unguarded moment by myself or a stranger isn't on the agenda.

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by Fuceneh @, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 19:41 (48 days ago) @ Mexalberta

Ditto :megusta:

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 19:50 (48 days ago) @ Mexalberta

I totally agree with your POV on this. And sadly tourists are likely the ones that will bring more cases to the Zihua region too.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 21:07 (48 days ago) @ cd69

I totally agree with your POV on this. And sadly tourists are likely the ones that will bring more cases to the Zihua region too.

The tiny trickle of foreign tourists is insignificant compared to the busloads of tourists coming here daily from the inland cities, yet no spike, no high transmission rates have been seen here for months. So I believe we can handle a few foreigners safely as long as they observe proper precautions. The key seems to be observing simple sanitary health measures. Mostly the use of facemasks, social distancing when possible, and the washing of hands after touching surfaces touched by others, including currency.

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by Susan G @, Zihua/La Ropa, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 21:43 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Yes, Rob, it does seem like the Mexican tourists coming from the buses are not quite following strictly the Covid-19 safe practices. Fingers crossed that the gringos, Canadians and those from other countries will follow safe practices of wearing masks, keeping 6 feet apart and washing hands frequently.

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by Little Guy, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 21:35 (48 days ago) @ Craig AKA the cruise ship guy
edited by Little Guy, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 22:59

Canadians can’t come due to the 14 day they would be stuck at home on the return so they like to tell all us Americans how >wrong we are for traveling. Guess it makes them feel better.

Canadians can travel to Mexico. I’ll be there at the end of the month. Yes, we commit to the socially responsible behaviour of self-isolating for 14 days when we return to Canada. I don’t think that telling others how to behave makes a person feel better.

I do think that most people feel better about being part of a community, both enjoying the support derived from community and the contributions one can make to community. I think it was an American president who said something like, “Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask instead what you can do for your country.” I think that many Canadians think that they can do something for their country by behaving unselfishly during a pandemic.

These Canadian’s that think we are so wrong... should stay away from any vaccine that us Americans come up with.

I’m not aware of any Canadians who say that others are wrong in travelling to Mexico. I know several Canadians who have plans to do so. I know other Canadians who ordinarily would be travelling to Mexico but have made the decision that it would be unwise for them to do so at this time.

One has asthma, hypotension, and is over 70 years. Another is approaching 70 and has an autoimmune disorder. Two usually drive to Mexico in November, but won’t because of the Canada/USA border closure. Two others usually go in January but have delayed the trip until February. All of them are retired. The self-isolation is insignificant to them. It just means a couple of weeks to binge CBC Gem streaming, Netflix, and Crave-TV,

I haven’t heard any of them criticize those who made the opposite decision.

(I also know a couple who spend six to eight weeks in Arizona each winter. They plan to pass on the trip this year partly because of covid. The other reason they give is that they would not plan travel to any country where the incumbent president refuses to state they will have a peaceful transition of power if certified election results say they did not win.)

... should stay away from any vaccine that us Americans come up with.

Medical research on this issue is international and collaborative. No one, Americans, Canadians, British, Chinese, or others will be coming up with a vaccine. Vaccines may be developed somewhere, but the vaccine will not be due to exclusivity of work there. I am confident that any effective and cost-effective vaccine will be used internationally, regardless of the location of the lab where it was developed. Yes, even if that lab were in China.

So funny that some believe they are so superior by staying home and hiding. What are you doing to help our poor Mexican friends?

Who is it that seems to believe “they are so superior”?

I don’t understand the benefit of apparently attempting to deliberately offend.

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by islandgirl @, Cowichan Valley, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 22:30 (48 days ago) @ Little Guy

I am staying home this year, mostly due to my advancing age putting me at a disadvantage to those young folks, and not having 2 extra weeks to isolate upon return. I believe I am helping to support my local community, which has been hit hard economically by this virus. Each week I see more businesses gone under and closed up in our small town. Sadly, some of my favorite shops. The effects of this pandemic are being felt everywhere.

So superior

by Ironwood @, Saturday, October 10, 2020, 23:53 (48 days ago) @ Little Guy

Canadians can’t come due to the 14 day they would be stuck at home on the return so they like to tell all us Americans how >wrong we are for traveling. Guess it makes them feel better.


Canadians can travel to Mexico. I’ll be there at the end of the month. Yes, we commit to the socially responsible behaviour of self-isolating for 14 days when we return to Canada. I don’t think that telling others how to behave makes a person feel better.

I do think that most people feel better about being part of a community, both enjoying the support derived from community and the contributions one can make to community. I think it was an American president who said something like, “Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask instead what you can do for your country.” I think that many Canadians think that they can do something for their country by behaving unselfishly during a pandemic.

These Canadian’s that think we are so wrong... should stay away from any vaccine that us Americans come up with.


I’m not aware of any Canadians who say that others are wrong in travelling to Mexico. I know several Canadians who have plans to do so. I know other Canadians who ordinarily would be travelling to Mexico but have made the decision that it would be unwise for them to do so at this time.

One has asthma, hypotension, and is over 70 years. Another is approaching 70 and has an autoimmune disorder. Two usually drive to Mexico in November, but won’t because of the Canada/USA border closure. Two others usually go in January but have delayed the trip until February. All of them are retired. The self-isolation is insignificant to them. It just means a couple of weeks to binge CBC Gem streaming, Netflix, and Crave-TV,

I haven’t heard any of them criticize those who made the opposite decision.

(I also know a couple who spend six to eight weeks in Arizona each winter. They plan to pass on the trip this year partly because of covid. The other reason they give is that they would not plan travel to any country where the incumbent president refuses to state they will have a peaceful transition of power if certified election results say they did not win.)

... should stay away from any vaccine that us Americans come up with.


Medical research on this issue is international and collaborative. No one, Americans, Canadians, British, Chinese, or others will be coming up with a vaccine. Vaccines may be developed somewhere, but the vaccine will not be due to exclusivity of work there. I am confident that any effective and cost-effective vaccine will be used internationally, regardless of the location of the lab where it was developed. Yes, even if that lab were in China.

So funny that some believe they are so superior by staying home and hiding. What are you doing to help our poor Mexican friends?


Who is it that seems to believe “they are so superior”?

I don’t understand the benefit of apparently attempting to deliberately offend.

As much as I dislike them, I'll have to give you a :megusta:

If Craig AKA the cruise ship guy is so damned brave, he'll live up to his name and book a floating Petri dish for his next trip to Zihua.

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by midalake @, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 04:38 (47 days ago) @ Ironwood
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Who is it that seems to believe “they are so superior”?

I don’t understand the benefit of apparently attempting to deliberately offend.


As much as I dislike them, I'll have to give you a :megusta:

If Craig AKA the cruise ship guy is so damned brave, he'll live up to his name and book a floating Petri dish for his next trip to Zihua.


Lets FACE reality! America's COVID19 numbers are THE WORST of any modern country.
AGAIN, WE as a collective society have FAILED. THE human and financial cost will be much higher for our inability to follow instructions. Not only for the United States but the world.
It is clearly greed and selfishness, combined with education and lack of morals. Sprinkle in complete lack of federal leadership.

ALL of this happening while my Governor of the great state of Michigan was almost kidnapped. 2020 can't end F-ing fast enough.

VOTE like your life depends on it!

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by nicatnit, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 09:02 (47 days ago) @ midalake

Yes...let’s face Reality. The US is testing more than any other nation in the world and as a result the case fatality rates have dropped substantially. So your statement is false. Is the Covid virus bad? Yes but it’s bad everywhere. But at least the US has the testing and vaccine development to help end the nance that Covid has become.

But let’s add a little perspective. There is a vulnerable segment of the population that’s needs to be protected, but to shut the entire population down, as done in the Great State of Michigan, where I also reside is stupid. Hence why Governor Whitmer is so controversial.

And the “Kidnap Attempt?!”, This has been known since June by the FBI. So spare me the drama. Though she didn’t waste another opportunity to slam the President. She had her statement ready, a true politician she is. Thank goodness the Michigan Supreme Court finally reigned her in. What a power monger.

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by islandgirl @, Cowichan Valley, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 09:45 (47 days ago) @ nicatnit

Just curious what your solution would be? If you have anti-maskers out & about, large gatherings with no safety measures and unrestricted travel, how do you keep this virus from spreading? Yes, there are certain groups that are more vulnerable than others, but what about the long term health effects of being infected (which are not clearly known at this point, but there seem to be some serious problems, even neurological issues). And what happens to those who don't have health insurance to cover possible hospital interventions? What can one do to protect those folks, or do they just stay home to die? What do you suggest when the healthcare system suffers from being overwhelmed by covid patients? Please don't say that won't happen, as it has already occurred in several countries.
And even with proper personal protective equipment, should we expect our medical community to be willing to sacrifice themselves and their families because some people won't wear masks and take precautions?
It won't be forever (I hope), but stay home, stay safe, protect others seems to be the only thing working until there is a vaccine.

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by nicatnit, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 09:52 (47 days ago) @ islandgirl

I agree masks and social distancing help, though the mask issue is a mixed bag. Some people who wear masks: a) get overconfident that masking works so well they don’t observe distancing b) unless it’s an N95 the mask may not protect the person wearing the mask, but the mask certainly helps the person wearing it from spreading Covid.
I’ve had Covid but I still wear my mask in public, which may be nonsensical, but there is a psychological aspect due to fear and I don’t want others to be afraid.
Ultimately, vaccines and remedies along with natural herd immunity will be the end game to overcoming Covid.
Let’s all hope for the return to normalcy. Our future depends on it.

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by ZihuaRx @, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 09:59 (47 days ago) @ islandgirl

"And what happens to those who don't have health insurance to cover possible hospital interventions? What can one do to protect those folks, or do they just stay home to die? "
"It won't be forever (I hope), but stay home, stay safe, protect others seems to be the only thing working until there is a vaccine".
Would you agree that your two statements maybe contradict each other? Maybe your people in the first statement should stay at home and wait for the miracle vaccine instead of staying home to die. Will it be like the flu vaccine. The flu kills 10's of thousands of people every year.

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by islandgirl @, Cowichan Valley, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 10:41 (47 days ago) @ ZihuaRx

It means that those without health insurance can't go to the hospital to get help.

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by nicatnit, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 20:37 (47 days ago) @ islandgirl

Sure they can. It’s called the ER

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by nicatnit, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 20:36 (47 days ago) @ ZihuaRx

People that don’t have health insurance can go the ER if they are under 65, otherwise there’s Medicare. What am I missing here? I have health insurance and my tests were both free at Rite Aid. So testing is easy now. Why do you say people would just stay home to die? They can go to the doctor if they need to can’t they?

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 13:50 (47 days ago) @ islandgirl

:megusta:

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by kjgco @, Colorado, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 10:02 (47 days ago) @ nicatnit

Yes...let’s face Reality. The US is testing more than any other nation in the world and as a result the case fatality rates have dropped substantially. So your statement is false. Is the Covid virus bad? Yes but it’s bad everywhere. But at least the US has the testing and vaccine development to help end the nance that Covid has become.

But let’s add a little perspective. There is a vulnerable segment of the population that’s needs to be protected, but to shut the entire population down, as done in the Great State of Michigan, where I also reside is stupid. Hence why Governor Whitmer is so controversial.

And the “Kidnap Attempt?!”, This has been known since June by the FBI. So spare me the drama. Though she didn’t waste another opportunity to slam the President. She had her statement ready, a true politician she is. Thank goodness the Michigan Supreme Court finally reigned her in. What a power monger.

30 states are experiencing test positivity rates above the CDC recommended threshold of 5%. 800-1000 people are dying daily, and that number is expected to rise as the weather turns colder. It sounds as though you are OK with both of those numbers, and we should just stay the course. Or perhaps you just don’t believe them?

As for Gov. Whitmer, THEY THREATENED TO KILL HER. Do you think that the reaction of a Repub governor to a similar threat by Antifa or whomever would have elicited a different response?

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by qwerty @, Oregon, USA, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 15:57 (47 days ago) @ kjgco

30 states are experiencing test positivity rates above the CDC recommended threshold of 5%. 800-1000 people are dying daily, and that number is expected to rise as the weather turns colder. It sounds as though you are OK with both of those numbers, and we should just stay the course. Or perhaps you just don’t believe them?

We need more testing in the US, not less. If testing were more widespread and results were available more quickly, contact tracing would be easier and more effective. Here in Oregon you still need to have symptoms or known exposure to get tested, skewing the result high in terms of positivity percentage. I have found one possible place to get tested without the above two requirements, which is apparently part of a multi-state study. I need to travel to a country which requires a negative test from USA residents (one of only four countries that requirement applies to) so this has been an issue for me. Once there, we will need to quarantine at our accommodation for two weeks.

I am following all recommended guidelines and people in Portland, in general, are as well despite our reputation for independence and "lawlessness". Our numbers are bouncing around, and increasing, mostly due to localized outbreaks in workplaces
and congregate living facilities.

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by kjgco @, Colorado, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 16:10 (47 days ago) @ qwerty

30 states are experiencing test positivity rates above the CDC recommended threshold of 5%. 800-1000 people are dying daily, and that number is expected to rise as the weather turns colder. It sounds as though you are OK with both of those numbers, and we should just stay the course. Or perhaps you just don’t believe them?


We need more testing in the US, not less. If testing were more widespread and results were available more quickly, contact tracing would be easier and more effective. Here in Oregon you still need to have symptoms or known exposure to get tested, skewing the result high in terms of positivity percentage. I have found one possible place to get tested without the above two requirements, which is apparently part of a multi-state study. I need to travel to a country which requires a negative test from USA residents (one of only four countries that requirement applies to) so this has been an issue for me. Once there, we will need to quarantine at our accommodation for two weeks.

I am following all recommended guidelines and people in Portland, in general, are as well despite our reputation for independence and "lawlessness". Our numbers are bouncing around, and increasing, mostly due to localized outbreaks in workplaces
and congregate living facilities.

Agree 100% with the need for more testing, which is why I raised the question. Still waiting for a response.

In Colorado, we are able to get tested without symptoms, and we'll continue to take advantage of this service when it seems appropriate.

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by Rigamarta, Monday, October 12, 2020, 10:13 (46 days ago) @ kjgco

How are they testing, swab up the nose or another method?

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by kjgco @, Colorado, Monday, October 12, 2020, 10:20 (46 days ago) @ Rigamarta

How are they testing, swab up the nose or another method?

The location we've used was a self-administered swab (both nostrils). Not sure about other locations.

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by nicatnit, Monday, October 12, 2020, 20:45 (46 days ago) @ kjgco

Same here in SW Michigan

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by nicatnit, Monday, October 12, 2020, 20:44 (46 days ago) @ Rigamarta

Swan up the nose but into the brain. Kidding aside the swab is not uncomfortable as other test methods are.

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by nicatnit, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 20:55 (47 days ago) @ qwerty

We are lucky here in SW Michigan. Testing is available same day with positive results within 24 hrs and negative within 48 hours. And at no cost, drive through at the pharmacy. Should be like this everywhere

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by qwerty @, Oregon, USA, Monday, October 12, 2020, 09:59 (46 days ago) @ nicatnit

Thanks to the aforementioned Governor Whitmer.

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by nicatnit, Monday, October 12, 2020, 20:47 (46 days ago) @ qwerty

Thanks to Rite Aide. We live on the Indiana/Michigan border. Testing is the same on both sides of the border. Not sure what the governor of either state has to do with it, it it’s good in both states

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by qwerty @, Oregon, USA, Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 10:07 (45 days ago) @ nicatnit

RiteAid seems to be participating in a study called Project Baseline, which appears to be conducting "surveillance" testing, i.e, including people without symptoms or known exposure to an infected person. I have found one in my area that is offering this. Still remains to be seen whether I will be able to get a test when I need it (I have to get it a certain number of days before my flight). Not all states are participating in this study however and not all RiteAids in my area are offering this testing.

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by Ironwood @, Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 13:47 (45 days ago) @ qwerty

...... I have found one in my area that is offering this. Still remains to be seen whether I will be able to get a test when I need it (I have to get it a certain number of days before my flight).

Out of curiosity, where are you flying from....and to....that requires proof of a negative test before boarding? I wasn't aware of any Canadian, US or Mexican airline (or government) making such demands.

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by qwerty @, Oregon, USA, Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 17:29 (45 days ago) @ Ironwood

Jamaica

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by nicatnit, Saturday, October 17, 2020, 11:21 (41 days ago) @ qwerty

I am in the study. The testing was quick and easy. Results in 24-48 hrs

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by The Fez ⌂ @, Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 18:39 (45 days ago) @ nicatnit

Yes...let’s face Reality. The US is testing more than any other nation in the world


The reality to face is the fact that your statement is false - per capita is the most accurate measure of testing rates: World testing rates

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 13:48 (47 days ago) @ midalake

Sadly you are 100% correct! You will need quite a change to turn this around. Good luck!

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by Lilyana @, Monday, October 12, 2020, 02:52 (46 days ago) @ Little Guy

Thank you Little Guy a thousand times for your very intelligent contribution to this banal thread that seems to be devolving into hate speech.

I've been accused of living in fear because I feel it would be taking a risk to travel by air not necessarily only because there could be Covid-19 infected people on some flights but also the possible exposure in airports, taxis, public washrooms, etc. I don't have any health issues that would predispose me to becoming very ill with the virus. When I'm in Zihua I enjoy the Mercado, the basketball court on Sunday evenings, dancing in the various clubs and eating in the restaurants. I can't imagine doing any of those things in these typically crowded places, especially having to wear a mask in the heat.

If the Canada-US border were open I would be driving down to Baja, Mexico this winter for a nice, long vacation and wouldn't mind having to quarantine for 2 weeks upon my return home. No fear, just common sense.

BTW Rob...I see you have learned a new word (cavalier) and you seem to like using it. Don't wear it out!

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by nicatnit, Monday, October 12, 2020, 20:51 (46 days ago) @ Lilyana

I was afraid until I got Covid. Yes there are terrible outcomes for a very small percent of the population that contracts the disease. But the fear gauge has put this into virus Ebola territory.

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by midalake @, Monday, October 12, 2020, 21:13 (46 days ago) @ nicatnit

I was afraid until I got Covid. Yes there are terrible outcomes for a very small percent of the population that contracts the disease. But the fear gauge has put this into virus Ebola territory.


Me, Me, I, I, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Keep your BS in your pants or confined to the walls where you live.

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by nicatnit, Monday, October 12, 2020, 21:57 (46 days ago) @ midalake

If you don’t want to read about a real life experience. Then don’t comment. All you do is hurl insults

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by midalake @, Monday, October 12, 2020, 22:26 (46 days ago) @ nicatnit

If you don’t want to read about a real life experience. Then don’t comment. All you do is hurl insults

One should never confuse another's intentions of pointing out someone's Hypocrisy, lack of facts, morals, and common knowledge failures AS INSULTS

D

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by nicatnit, Saturday, October 17, 2020, 11:25 (41 days ago) @ midalake

No they are insults That’s what you do.

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by qwerty @, Oregon, USA, Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 10:09 (45 days ago) @ nicatnit

We would be much better off if this had been handled as Ebola was.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 15:50 (44 days ago) @ qwerty

Especially if the truth had not been hidden from the general population and handled properly from the get-go instead of deflecting the blame. Now the US is sitting at well over 221K deaths out of the 1.1M world deaths and several states are getting out of control. Sad state of affairs...

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by Rigamarta, Saturday, October 17, 2020, 12:42 (41 days ago) @ cd69

Especially if the truth had not been hidden from the general population and handled properly from the get-go instead of deflecting the blame.

cd69, just curious, what "truth' are you referring to, and who did you expect to hear it from, and what action would you have changed other than double up on toilet paper?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, October 17, 2020, 12:56 (41 days ago) @ Rigamarta

Especially if the truth had not been hidden from the general population and handled properly from the get-go instead of deflecting the blame.


cd69, just curious, what "truth' are you referring to, and who did you expect to hear it from, and what action would you have changed other than double up on toilet paper?

The USA's response from the White House was all about The Chump trying not to hurt his poll ratings. He played down the virus instead of getting on top of it. He put Pence in charge of the response team (then hogged the cameras and microphones himself until his ratings dropped) instead of allowing the professionals to make recommendations and implement them. He harried, insulted and demoted the professionals who tried to act responsibly. The Chump lied from the git go. About everything. Then lied to cover up his incompetence. I'm not sure why anyone needs to explain this to you here on my Zihuatanejo-Ixtapa Message Board.

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by Rigamarta, Saturday, October 17, 2020, 13:47 (41 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Thank you cd69. And did he all this while Biden called him a racist because shut down air traffic from Chin, while Nasty Pelosi was inviting people to come to Chinatown. Different peception from different eyes. Monday morning quarterbacking at it's finest. Personally I don't like the guy, but I'm not ready to put the Covid problems on him. Lets not forget where it started.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, October 17, 2020, 14:07 (41 days ago) @ Rigamarta

Thank you cd69. And did he all this while Biden called him a racist because shut down air traffic from Chin, while Nasty Pelosi was inviting people to come to Chinatown. Different peception from different eyes. Monday morning quarterbacking at it's finest. Personally I don't like the guy, but I'm not ready to put the Covid problems on him. Lets not forget where it started.

Not cd69.

See, there you go with the disproven lies. Biden didn't call him a racist and The Chump never shut down air traffic from China. And Nancy Pelosi, who unlike The Chump has sexually assaulted no one, has used no campaign funds to pay off porn stars, has NOT insulted Gold Star families or veterans or war heroes or handicapped people, has nothing to do with this.

It's a sad commentary on people who vote Republican that it wasn't all over for the GOP after the Iran-Contra affair came to light. You DO remember Iran-Contra, don't you? When Republicans staged a phony war to cover up smuggling and selling cocaine to buy arms to pay off Iranian hostage takers for NOT releasing U.S. hostages until AFTER Ronnie Raygun took office. Hypocrites through and through.

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by nicatnit, Sunday, October 18, 2020, 21:27 (40 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Iran/Contra was a bad thing but that was like 50 years ago. There’s plenty of modern day corruption to focus on.

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by midalake @, Saturday, October 17, 2020, 14:07 (41 days ago) @ Rigamarta

Thank you cd69. And did he all this while Biden called him a racist because shut down air traffic from Chin, while Nasty Pelosi was inviting people to come to Chinatown. Different peception from different eyes. Monday morning quarterbacking at it's finest. Personally I don't like the guy, but

I'm not ready to put the Covid problems on him. Lets not forget where it started.

It started with "a democratic hoax" Now more people died and the 100,000's of people that will never be able to walk up a flight of stairs without being winded. For Christ's sake wake the F-up. We are the worst country in the world! Lots of suffering to come yet!!!!

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by Chas, Saturday, October 17, 2020, 19:29 (41 days ago) @ midalake

Thank you cd69. And did he all this while Biden called him a racist because shut down air traffic from Chin, while Nasty Pelosi was inviting people to come to Chinatown. Different peception from different eyes. Monday morning quarterbacking at it's finest. Personally I don't like the guy, but

I'm not ready to put the Covid problems on him. Lets not forget where it started.

It started with "a democratic hoax" Now more people died and the 100,000's of people that will never be able to walk up a flight of stairs without being winded. For Christ's sake wake the F-up. We are the worst country in the world! Lots of suffering to come yet!!!!

Why would anyone stay in the worst country in the world. You need to get the word out because millions of people risk life and limb to try and get in “the worst country in the world “ you should be trying to warn and discourage them before its to late.
So far in the US we have 8.12 million confirmed infected with Covid 19 with 219K deaths. Just using these numbers that’s a death rate of 2.69 %. With any luck Biden will win in November so he can take reins as he did in 2009 for the Obama Administration. In October of 2009 Joe Biden took the lead in the fight against H1N1, the Swine Flu Pandemic. He told us they would have 100 million doses of a vaccine by October 2009. They actually only produced 11 million. In the end 84 million became infected in the US and 17K died. If we had 84 million infected now like we did with H1N1, in 2009, the death total would be 2,259,500.
Joe Biden’s Chief of Staff, Ron Klain, explained exactly how they handled the pandemic when he said “It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck...we did everything wrong.” Something to look forward to should Biden win.

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by midalake @, Saturday, October 17, 2020, 21:01 (41 days ago) @ Chas
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Thank you cd69. And did he all this while Biden called him a racist because shut down air traffic from Chin, while Nasty Pelosi was inviting people to come to Chinatown. Different peception from different eyes. Monday morning quarterbacking at it's finest. Personally I don't like the guy, but

I'm not ready to put the Covid problems on him. Lets not forget where it started.

It started with "a democratic hoax" Now more people died and the 100,000's of people that will never be able to walk up a flight of stairs without being winded. For Christ's sake wake the F-up. We are the worst country in the world! Lots of suffering to come yet!!!!


Why would anyone stay in the worst country in the world. You need to get the word out because millions of people risk life and limb to try and get in “the worst country in the world “ you should be trying to warn and discourage them before its to late.
So far in the US we have 8.12 million confirmed infected with Covid 19 with 219K deaths. Just using these numbers that’s a death rate of 2.69 %. With any luck Biden will win in November so he can take reins as he did in 2009 for the Obama Administration. In October of 2009 Joe Biden took the lead in the fight against H1N1, the Swine Flu Pandemic. He told us they would have 100 million doses of a vaccine by October 2009. They actually only produced 11 million. In the end 84 million became infected in the US and 17K died. If we had 84 million infected now like we did with H1N1, in 2009, the death total would be 2,259,500.
Joe Biden’s Chief of Staff, Ron Klain, explained exactly how they handled the pandemic when he said “It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck...we did everything wrong.” Something to look forward to should Biden win.

“If “ifs” and “buts” were candy and nuts we’d all have a Merry Christmas.”

We HAVE 220,000 DEAD Americans. AND IT WILL GET WORSE!
SAVE your rant for some else!

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by Rigamarta, Sunday, October 18, 2020, 07:28 (40 days ago) @ midalake

"Common man" , Joe Biden isn't running for President, he's running for Senate. I heard him say so last week. What a choice, the azzhole or the idiot.

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by nicatnit, Sunday, October 18, 2020, 21:36 (40 days ago) @ Rigamarta

You mean the totally corrupt idiot. This story isn’t going away.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, October 19, 2020, 08:42 (39 days ago) @ nicatnit

You mean the totally corrupt idiot. This story isn’t going away.

You don't get to accuse anyone of being corrupt as long as you support the most corrupt IMPEACHED president in U.S. history. Republicans are HYPOCRITES!

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by Chas, Sunday, October 18, 2020, 11:57 (40 days ago) @ midalake

Thank you cd69. And did he all this while Biden called him a racist because shut down air traffic from Chin, while Nasty Pelosi was inviting people to come to Chinatown. Different peception from different eyes. Monday morning quarterbacking at it's finest. Personally I don't like the guy, but

I'm not ready to put the Covid problems on him. Lets not forget where it started.

It started with "a democratic hoax" Now more people died and the 100,000's of people that will never be able to walk up a flight of stairs without being winded. For Christ's sake wake the F-up. We are the worst country in the world! Lots of suffering to come yet!!!!


Why would anyone stay in the worst country in the world. You need to get the word out because millions of people risk life and limb to try and get in “the worst country in the world “ you should be trying to warn and discourage them before its to late.
So far in the US we have 8.12 million confirmed infected with Covid 19 with 219K deaths. Just using these numbers that’s a death rate of 2.69 %. With any luck Biden will win in November so he can take reins as he did in 2009 for the Obama Administration. In October of 2009 Joe Biden took the lead in the fight against H1N1, the Swine Flu Pandemic. He told us they would have 100 million doses of a vaccine by October 2009. They actually only produced 11 million. In the end 84 million became infected in the US and 17K died. If we had 84 million infected now like we did with H1N1, in 2009, the death total would be 2,259,500.
Joe Biden’s Chief of Staff, Ron Klain, explained exactly how they handled the pandemic when he said “It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck...we did everything wrong.” Something to look forward to should Biden win.


“If “ifs” and “buts” were candy and nuts we’d all have a Merry Christmas.”

We HAVE 220,000 DEAD Americans. AND IT WILL GET WORSE!
SAVE your rant for some else!

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Now facts are rants. If anyone were to bother to go back and look at your posts over the last 6 months they would find that you’re the undisputed leader in name calling and rude comments toward anyone with a differing opinion. This probably works well on the playground but not so much during adult conversations. Your little Christmas ditty was cute but failed to respond to the facts. It was not a Conservative or Republican that pointed out Bidens dismal H1N1 response it was his own Chief of Staff, Ron Klain, who pointed out that it was purely luck that we didn’t end out with “ one of the great mass casualty events in American history.” He didn’t just say we made mistakes he said “ we did EVERYTHING wrong.” Maybe instead of posting holiday rhymes you could explain why it makes sense to put Biden in charge so the current pandemic when he failed so miserably on the last one. After that maybe you could explain why putting Bernie Madoff in charge of your finances is a great idea.

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by jay @, Sunday, October 18, 2020, 17:51 (40 days ago) @ Chas

Obama and Biden may have messed up the response to H1N1 but they learned from their mistakes. They put together a Pandemic Response Team, overhauled the CDC, embedded CDC members in China as an early warning system (with Chinese cooperation), and wrote a substantial playbook on how to handle a pandemic. Trump, naturally, had to be the anti-Obama and dismantled all of that - disbanded the Pandemic Response Team, filled the CDC with political toadies, and ignored the response playbook, all with disastrous results. In fact it's clear now that Trump has given up any attempt to deal with this crisis. Just let it rage until the whole country is infected, with millions dead. I seriously doubt that he cares. And you think that Biden could do worse? I'm hard pressed to imagine how he could do worse than doing nothing. The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Ds listen to experts and learn from their mistakes and Rs don't.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, October 18, 2020, 18:43 (40 days ago) @ jay

Obama and Biden may have messed up the response to H1N1 but they learned from their mistakes. They put together a Pandemic Response Team, overhauled the CDC, embedded CDC members in China as an early warning system (with Chinese cooperation), and wrote a substantial playbook on how to handle a pandemic. Trump, naturally, had to be the anti-Obama and dismantled all of that - disbanded the Pandemic Response Team, filled the CDC with political toadies, and ignored the response playbook, all with disastrous results. In fact it's clear now that Trump has given up any attempt to deal with this crisis. Just let it rage until the whole country is infected, with millions dead. I seriously doubt that he cares. And you think that Biden could do worse? I'm hard pressed to imagine how he could do worse than doing nothing. The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Ds listen to experts and learn from their mistakes and Rs don't.

Might I add that the difference between Republicans and everyone else is Nixon, Iran-Contra, George W. Bush, The Chump, and over a hundred indicted, prosecuted and convicted appointees in just the past 50 years. The current president is an unindicted co-conspirator in a federal crime that saw his personal lawyer imprisoned. While the Dems may have lost my trust, the GOP has lost its humanity and has no business being allowed to keep its party registration. The current Republican president is responsible for several bloody acts of terror against minorities as well as a recently foiled attempt to kidnap and kill a sitting governor, and he's still at it chanting "LOCK HER UP, LOCK'EM ALL UP" at his ego-stroking cult gatherings, endangering her life and others by calling on his cult followers to do them harm.

Each day The Chump remains in office he represents a greater clear and present danger to the USA. He cannot be trusted to put the nation's interests above his own interests. The USA becomes a more cruel place with each passing day of this wannabe dictatorship. How many deaths, injuries and mass shootings must members of The Chump’s Base commit before Congress takes action and removes this national offense from office? How many more acts of terror must he provoke? It's way past time to invoke the 25th Amendment. After losing the election he will seek to take out his revenge upon the nation: a scorched earth policy. Will Moscow Mitch chuckle about that on national TV, too?

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by nicatnit, Sunday, October 18, 2020, 21:33 (40 days ago) @ Chas

Biden won’t win. He’ll be lucky to make it until Nov 3. The volcano is about to blow. He’s screwed. Real frog in the boiling water stuff.

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by midalake @, Sunday, October 18, 2020, 23:46 (40 days ago) @ nicatnit

Biden won’t win. He’ll be lucky to make it until Nov 3. The volcano is about to blow. He’s screwed. Real frog in the boiling water stuff.



The large, pro-Trump billboard was changed to read "TAKE TRUMP TO PRISON."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-prison-vandals-target-trump-162402377.html

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by Ironwood @, Monday, October 19, 2020, 04:00 (39 days ago) @ Chas

So far in the US we have 8.12 million confirmed infected with Covid 19 with 219K deaths. Just using these numbers that’s a death rate of 2.69 %. With any luck Biden will win in November so he can take reins as he did in 2009 for the Obama Administration. In October of 2009 Joe Biden took the lead in the fight against H1N1, the Swine Flu Pandemic. He told us they would have 100 million doses of a vaccine by October 2009. They actually only produced 11 million. In the end 84 million became infected in the US and 17K died. If we had 84 million infected now like we did with H1N1, in 2009, the death total would be 2,259,500.


As for your numbers, according to the CDC....which Donald the Impeached now lumps-in with all the other "fake news".... there were 60.8 million cases of the H1N1 virus in the USA over the 1 year period from April/08 - April/09. Only 275,000 or 0.45% required hospitalization. There were 12,500 deaths, or 0.0205% of those who contracted the virus.
There is simply no comparison in severity between H1N1 and COVID-19. The Obama administration learned from H1N1 and set up measures to deal with the next epi/pandemic. Trump dismantled them, then failed to deal with a threat that he acknowledged was "deadly....much worse than your strenuous flu."
His response has been to give the virus childish names...the "China virus" or "Kung flu"....and to repeat, ad nauseam, that he "stopped all flights from China", which, of course, is another lie. Somewhere in the order of 40,000 people flew into the US from China AFTER he says he stopped all the flights. Assuming 250 people per flight, that's 160 planeloads of people coming in from China....after he'd "stopped all flights."
Great job, Trump.

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by Rigamarta, Monday, October 19, 2020, 07:03 (39 days ago) @ Ironwood

His response has been to give the virus childish names...the "China virus" or "Kung flu"....and to repeat, ad nauseam, that he "stopped all flights from China", which, of course, is another lie. Somewhere in the order of 40,000 people flew into the US from China AFTER he says he stopped all the flights. Assuming 250 people per flight, that's 160 planeloads of people coming in from China....after he'd "stopped all flights."

Based on your own accounting, sounds to me like you agree that people coming from China were bringing the virus, the China virus. He did in fact stop the flights from China. The 40,000 people from China you claim that came in after he stopped the flights, came in via other countries flights, subverting his attempt to stop infected people (with the China virus)from China entering the US. Interesting how some people want to twist details to create their own perceived facts.

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by midalake @, Monday, October 19, 2020, 08:38 (39 days ago) @ Rigamarta

His response has been to give the virus childish names...the "China virus" or "Kung flu"....and to repeat, ad nauseam, that he "stopped all flights from China", which, of course, is another lie. Somewhere in the order of 40,000 people flew into the US from China AFTER he says he stopped all the flights. Assuming 250 people per flight, that's 160 planeloads of people coming in from China....after he'd "stopped all flights."


Based on your own accounting, sounds to me like you agree that people coming from China were bringing the virus, the China virus. He did in fact stop the flights from China. The 40,000 people from China you claim that came in after he stopped the flights, came in via other countries flights, subverting his attempt to stop infected people (with the China virus)from China entering the US. Interesting how some people want to twist details to create their own perceived facts.

AMAZING how some simpletons think. This will explain it for you Rigamarta. So what stopped someone from China flying to Japan then to the states??? How about flying from China to Taiwan to the US?

Trump’s `strong wall’ to block COVID-19 from China had holes

https://apnews.com/article/355a58005d4f7c57978f6b7cba5dbd82

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by nicatnit, Sunday, October 18, 2020, 21:28 (40 days ago) @ midalake

We are not the worst country in the world. Do you hate your home country or what? Not very patriotic are you?

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by Dalejb, Saturday, October 17, 2020, 16:57 (41 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I'm not sure why anyone needs to explain this to you here on my Zihuatanejo-Ixtapa Message Board.

I thought this was an "I hate Trump" board.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, October 17, 2020, 17:54 (41 days ago) @ Dalejb

I'm not sure why anyone needs to explain this to you here on my Zihuatanejo-Ixtapa Message Board.

I thought this was an "I hate Trump" board.

That racist puke isn't worth hating, but the United States is worth loving and defending against its enemies. And make no mistake, The Chump and the Republican Party that enables him, that gave us Iran-Contra and that spent 8 years obstructing anything President Obama wanted are the USA's enemies. They have done and will continue doing harm to the nation to further their own selfish ends.

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by midalake @, Saturday, October 17, 2020, 21:07 (41 days ago) @ Dalejb

I'm not sure why anyone needs to explain this to you here on my Zihuatanejo-Ixtapa Message Board.

I thought this was an "I hate Trump" board.

IT IS BOTH a ZIH board, and Dislike the worst president EVER, board!