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by bigtwin96, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 13:09 (49 days ago)

Concerned about Covid (who isn't) and wondering if anyone knows the facts about medical treatment in Zihua. I understand there are varying levels of medical treatment, depending on insurance coverage or ability to pay cash. Covid survival rates seems horrible in the "public" hospital system. Is there a first class private Hospital/Clinic that can treat Covid? Are ventilators available if needed. Traveling without medical coverage so would need facility that takes cash. Any info on this topic is greatly appreciated.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 13:14 (49 days ago) @ bigtwin96

We just had a very rough week, healthwise, and are up to the minute on what is happening at Hospital Especialidades.

They do not take Covid patients, and we have been told that none of the private hospitals do.

That being said, the costs are absurdly low, quality of care extremely high. Both visits we were warned by the doctor that since they are a private hospital they are very expensive, then given the price. It was very very inexpensive.

Cash price is one, if you want a receipt, 10% more, if you want to use a credit card, 4% more. It was very easy to pay cash.

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by mcnuttja, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 15:22 (49 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Any chance you would elaborate, example, etc??

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 16:11 (49 days ago) @ mcnuttja

Last Wednesday evening I got a wasp sting. I've had a number of them with no problem. Within 45 minutes hives started, I took Benedryl and passed out due to low blood pressure before he could get me to the hospital. Got me there, they IV'd a couple of things into me, I went home in less than two hours. Total bill, 2,100 pesos. OMG

He had an accident on the stairs and took a sharp corner in the abdomen. Caused a hernia. Had the surgery Monday, was only in for 6 hours, and so far no swelling, discoloration, pain, nothing. 4 surgeons, anesthesiologist, all the details including for paying for the overnight we didn't need 35,850 pesos. That is 1600 USD. They are amazed, and he is only taking Tylenol.

Stress levels have been high this week, but I swam this morning and he'll likely join me in just a couple of days. It's gotta get better!!!

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 17:21 (49 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Thanks for this info...We rarely get such private details for healthcare true costs in Zihua and this is great info. I hope you are both doing well soon.

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by Casa Juan @, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 20:17 (49 days ago) @ Talley Ho

sorry to hear you and your spouse have had a week of physical setbacks. Sounds like you are both on the mend! Its amazing what a punch those wasps can pack, I normally try to get ice asap and benadryl

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 20:28 (49 days ago) @ Casa Juan

Thanks for your kind thoughts.

We have a new policy. If ANY of us get stung by anything, it's two Benedryl, a liter of water, then access. Both dogs are 80 pounders, so the same for them.

Glad you are back.

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by jay @, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 20:41 (49 days ago) @ Talley Ho
edited by jay, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 21:08

I saw something publicized recently that might help. It's a small tube with an open end and a plunger inside. Fit the open end over the sting (or mosquito bite), pull back the plunger and it sucks out the venom. Sounds like a handy little gadget. Go here if you're interested:

https://newatlas.com/deals/bug-bite-relief-suction-tool/

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 21:17 (49 days ago) @ jay

We both have Therapiks that use heat to break down the venom/allergen, whatever from misc bites. We think it works great.

The sting hurt so much that he ran up and got one for me and I used it over and over as I could stand the heat. Did it help? I'm alive, so maybe. It does work great for the itching, swelling and pain? Yes, normally.

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by nicatnit, Thursday, October 15, 2020, 13:33 (48 days ago) @ jay

That gadget looks great. My wife is allergic to bee sting and carries Epy Pen. I’m adding that venom sucker to the arsenal. Thanks for posting.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Thursday, October 15, 2020, 12:49 (48 days ago) @ Talley Ho

So sorry to hear of your travails this past week. Glad to hear you two recovering well though. If you two ever need late night transportation or help I hope you know you can call us.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Thursday, October 15, 2020, 15:47 (48 days ago) @ hromero

Thank you SO much!!!! The same is true for you two if you are ever in need.

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by Casa Juan @, Sunday, November 08, 2020, 20:20 (24 days ago) @ Talley Ho

could you disclose what the overnight care price is at Clinica Especialdades? Gracias

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, November 08, 2020, 20:33 (24 days ago) @ Casa Juan

could you disclose what the overnight care price is at Clinica Especialdades? Gracias

It depends on the care. You'd have to call them.

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by midalake @, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 13:18 (49 days ago) @ bigtwin96

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by Rigamarta, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 13:26 (49 days ago) @ midalake

That should work out perfect. When Biden becomes president in 2021, he'll be able to take credit for improving the recovery time for covid patients.

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by bigtwin96, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 13:42 (49 days ago) @ Rigamarta

No offence intended to yourself or Midalake(?) but I'm not looking for political statements, I'm looking for actual information regarding where to get best treatment in Zihua should I catch Covid while there.

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 13:47 (49 days ago) @ bigtwin96

No offence intended to yourself or Midalake(?) but I'm not looking for political statements, I'm looking for actual information regarding where to get best treatment in Zihua should I catch Covid while there.

Tally Ho gave you the answer. Have you been here before?

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by bigtwin96, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 14:15 (49 days ago) @ mexicoman

Have owned a place there for 12 years. Tally Ho did not give much info other than private clinics are not taking Covid patients and cost is low. Doesn't tell me anything about who is offering treatment and what is available?

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by midalake @, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 14:27 (49 days ago) @ bigtwin96

No offence intended to yourself or Midalake(?) but I'm not looking for political statements, I'm looking for actual information regarding where to get best treatment in Zihua should I catch Covid while there.

I think you should read my first post. If remdesivir is not available in ZIH, and it is not . What kind of care and treatment do you think you could even get?
My guess is you already know the answer.

D

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 14:45 (49 days ago) @ midalake

No offence intended to yourself or Midalake(?) but I'm not looking for political statements, I'm looking for actual information regarding where to get best treatment in Zihua should I catch Covid while there.


I think you should read my first post. If remdesivir is not available in ZIH, and it is not . What kind of care and treatment do you think you could even get?
My guess is you already know the answer.

D

Dave, you really shouldn’t make claims based on your own bias. Unless you’ve consulted with the hospital administrator, you can’t and don’t know what’s available and what isn’t. Comments based on bias aren’t helpful.

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by midalake @, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 14:50 (49 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
edited by midalake, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 15:38

No offence intended to yourself or Midalake(?) but I'm not looking for political statements, I'm looking for actual information regarding where to get best treatment in Zihua should I catch Covid while there.


I think you should read my first post. If remdesivir is not available in ZIH, and it is not . What kind of care and treatment do you think you could even get?
My guess is you already know the answer.

D


Dave, you really shouldn’t make claims based on your own bias. Unless you’ve consulted with the hospital administrator, you can’t don’t know what’s available and what isn’t. Comments based on bias aren’t helpful.


Maybe you can help then and have the hospital administrator respond. Until then I will stick to the facts.
BTW, I have been in the General Hosp. No thanks.........

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by Ironwood @, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 15:37 (49 days ago) @ midalake

No offence intended to yourself or Midalake(?) but I'm not looking for political statements, I'm looking for actual information regarding where to get best treatment in Zihua should I catch Covid while there.


I think you should read my first post. If remdesivir is not available in ZIH, and it is not . What kind of care and treatment do you think you could even get?
My guess is you already know the answer.

D


Dave, you really shouldn’t make claims based on your own bias. Unless you’ve consulted with the hospital administrator, you can’t don’t know what’s available and what isn’t. Comments based on bias aren’t helpful.

Maybe you can help then and have the hospital administrator respond. Until then I will stick to the facts.
BTW, I have been in the General Hosp., there is no way in hell I am ever going there.

News that Hospital Especialidades and other private clinics....the very health care providers that most NOB tourists would automatically assume they would go to, if confronted with the virus.....are not accepting COVID patients, is certainly a "wake-up call".
I seem to recall a quote a couple of years ago, by an influential local who shall be un-named, saying that Zihua's public hospital is where you go if you want to die quickest. Perhaps he was just joking.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 18:05 (49 days ago) @ Ironwood

No offence intended to yourself or Midalake(?) but I'm not looking for political statements, I'm looking for actual information regarding where to get best treatment in Zihua should I catch Covid while there.


I think you should read my first post. If remdesivir is not available in ZIH, and it is not . What kind of care and treatment do you think you could even get?
My guess is you already know the answer.

D


Dave, you really shouldn’t make claims based on your own bias. Unless you’ve consulted with the hospital administrator, you can’t don’t know what’s available and what isn’t. Comments based on bias aren’t helpful.

Maybe you can help then and have the hospital administrator respond. Until then I will stick to the facts.
BTW, I have been in the General Hosp., there is no way in hell I am ever going there.


News that Hospital Especialidades and other private clinics....the very health care providers that most NOB tourists would automatically assume they would go to, if confronted with the virus.....are not accepting COVID patients, is certainly a "wake-up call".
I seem to recall a quote a couple of years ago, by an influential local who shall be un-named, saying that Zihua's public hospital is where you go if you want to die quickest. Perhaps he was just joking.

Thank you all for the expected somewhat snobbish NOB POV. We have what we have, and those of us who depend on it make do with what we have. You are all of course very welcome to vacation somewhere else where they have better hospitals. I'm not here to sell you a damn thing. Sorry that what's good enough for us isn't good enough for you, but that's your choice. I hear Miami has excellent hospitals. This is definitely not a place to be sick or if you think you'll need modern health care. I can only wonder what you thought you were doing visiting such a backwards place like Zihuatanejo with such primitive unacceptable health care. Hope you enjoyed your visits.

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by Ironwood @, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 20:33 (49 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

No offence intended to yourself or Midalake(?) but I'm not looking for political statements, I'm looking for actual information regarding where to get best treatment in Zihua should I catch Covid while there.


I think you should read my first post. If remdesivir is not available in ZIH, and it is not . What kind of care and treatment do you think you could even get?
My guess is you already know the answer.

D


Dave, you really shouldn’t make claims based on your own bias. Unless you’ve consulted with the hospital administrator, you can’t don’t know what’s available and what isn’t. Comments based on bias aren’t helpful.

Maybe you can help then and have the hospital administrator respond. Until then I will stick to the facts.
BTW, I have been in the General Hosp., there is no way in hell I am ever going there.


News that Hospital Especialidades and other private clinics....the very health care providers that most NOB tourists would automatically assume they would go to, if confronted with the virus.....are not accepting COVID patients, is certainly a "wake-up call".
I seem to recall a quote a couple of years ago, by an influential local who shall be un-named, saying that Zihua's public hospital is where you go if you want to die quickest. Perhaps he was just joking.


Thank you all for the expected somewhat snobbish NOB POV. We have what we have, and those of us who depend on it make do with what we have. You are all of course very welcome to vacation somewhere else where they have better hospitals. I'm not here to sell you a damn thing. Sorry that what's good enough for us isn't good enough for you, but that's your choice. I hear Miami has excellent hospitals. This is definitely not a place to be sick or if you think you'll need modern health care. I can only wonder what you thought you were doing visiting such a backwards place like Zihuatanejo with such primitive unacceptable health care. Hope you enjoyed your visits.

Hey son, it was you, not me, who offered that opinion of the quality of healthcare at Zihua's public hospital. You're shooting the wrong messenger. Tally Ho's revelation of Especialidades and other private clinics not accepting COVID cases is of interest to prospective visitors, whether you think it should be....or not.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 21:14 (49 days ago) @ Ironwood

No offence intended to yourself or Midalake(?) but I'm not looking for political statements, I'm looking for actual information regarding where to get best treatment in Zihua should I catch Covid while there.


I think you should read my first post. If remdesivir is not available in ZIH, and it is not . What kind of care and treatment do you think you could even get?
My guess is you already know the answer.

D


Dave, you really shouldn’t make claims based on your own bias. Unless you’ve consulted with the hospital administrator, you can’t don’t know what’s available and what isn’t. Comments based on bias aren’t helpful.

Maybe you can help then and have the hospital administrator respond. Until then I will stick to the facts.
BTW, I have been in the General Hosp., there is no way in hell I am ever going there.


News that Hospital Especialidades and other private clinics....the very health care providers that most NOB tourists would automatically assume they would go to, if confronted with the virus.....are not accepting COVID patients, is certainly a "wake-up call".
I seem to recall a quote a couple of years ago, by an influential local who shall be un-named, saying that Zihua's public hospital is where you go if you want to die quickest. Perhaps he was just joking.


Thank you all for the expected somewhat snobbish NOB POV. We have what we have, and those of us who depend on it make do with what we have. You are all of course very welcome to vacation somewhere else where they have better hospitals. I'm not here to sell you a damn thing. Sorry that what's good enough for us isn't good enough for you, but that's your choice. I hear Miami has excellent hospitals. This is definitely not a place to be sick or if you think you'll need modern health care. I can only wonder what you thought you were doing visiting such a backwards place like Zihuatanejo with such primitive unacceptable health care. Hope you enjoyed your visits.


Hey son, it was you, not me, who offered that opinion of the quality of healthcare at Zihua's public hospital. You're shooting the wrong messenger. Tally Ho's revelation of Especialidades and other private clinics not accepting COVID cases is of interest to prospective visitors, whether you think it should be....or not.

You must've missed the sarcasm.

Since I began reporting on the local Covid-19 situation, I thought I had mentioned more than once that the government designated the General Hospital as the official medical facility for suspected Covid-19 patients. If I didn't then my bad. I can't repeat everything every single day, and I can't reply to unasked questions. The daily reports already eat up quite a bit of my time, especially when some of my sources don't post their data until late. But I do urge folks to go back and read my comments since this matter began to get a handle on where we are today. I think Zihuatanejo is doing very well, and that it can do even better. By no means do I think things are so dire here that our local Covid-19 situation should be a negative for folks considering a vacation. I wouldn't hesitate to tell any family member or friend to come here.

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by Ironwood @, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 21:17 (49 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

No offence intended to yourself or Midalake(?) but I'm not looking for political statements, I'm looking for actual information regarding where to get best treatment in Zihua should I catch Covid while there.


I think you should read my first post. If remdesivir is not available in ZIH, and it is not . What kind of care and treatment do you think you could even get?
My guess is you already know the answer.

D


Dave, you really shouldn’t make claims based on your own bias. Unless you’ve consulted with the hospital administrator, you can’t don’t know what’s available and what isn’t. Comments based on bias aren’t helpful.

Maybe you can help then and have the hospital administrator respond. Until then I will stick to the facts.
BTW, I have been in the General Hosp., there is no way in hell I am ever going there.


News that Hospital Especialidades and other private clinics....the very health care providers that most NOB tourists would automatically assume they would go to, if confronted with the virus.....are not accepting COVID patients, is certainly a "wake-up call".
I seem to recall a quote a couple of years ago, by an influential local who shall be un-named, saying that Zihua's public hospital is where you go if you want to die quickest. Perhaps he was just joking.


Thank you all for the expected somewhat snobbish NOB POV. We have what we have, and those of us who depend on it make do with what we have. You are all of course very welcome to vacation somewhere else where they have better hospitals. I'm not here to sell you a damn thing. Sorry that what's good enough for us isn't good enough for you, but that's your choice. I hear Miami has excellent hospitals. This is definitely not a place to be sick or if you think you'll need modern health care. I can only wonder what you thought you were doing visiting such a backwards place like Zihuatanejo with such primitive unacceptable health care. Hope you enjoyed your visits.


Hey son, it was you, not me, who offered that opinion of the quality of healthcare at Zihua's public hospital. You're shooting the wrong messenger. Tally Ho's revelation of Especialidades and other private clinics not accepting COVID cases is of interest to prospective visitors, whether you think it should be....or not.


You must've missed the sarcasm.

Since I began reporting on the local Covid-19 situation, I thought I had mentioned more than once that the government designated the General Hospital as the official medical facility for suspected Covid-19 patients. If I didn't then my bad. I can't repeat everything every single day, and I can't reply to unasked questions. The daily reports already eat up quite a bit of my time, especially when some of my sources don't post their data until late. But I do urge folks to go back and read my comments since this matter began to get a handle on where we are today. I think Zihuatanejo is doing very well, and that it can do even better. By no means do I think things are so dire here that our local Covid-19 situation should be a negative for folks considering a vacation. I wouldn't hesitate to tell any family member or friend to come here.

That's more like it.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 21:18 (49 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

We feel exactly the same way, and actively encourage anyone we know and/or are in contact with to escape and come here.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 13:51 (49 days ago) @ bigtwin96

Concerned about Covid (who isn't) and wondering if anyone knows the facts about medical treatment in Zihua. I understand there are varying levels of medical treatment, depending on insurance coverage or ability to pay cash. Covid survival rates seems horrible in the "public" hospital system. Is there a first class private Hospital/Clinic that can treat Covid? Are ventilators available if needed. Traveling without medical coverage so would need facility that takes cash. Any info on this topic is greatly appreciated.

I don't know why you say survival rates are horrible in the public hospital. That is a myth not based on facts. If you get Covid-19 here you call a number and they come and get you or you quarantine in place, depending on your medical needs. The ventilators are in the public hospitals and the cooperating private hospitals outfitted for Covid-19 patients.

As long as you mask up, wash your hands after touching things other people have touched, and practice social distancing as best as possible you should be able to enjoy your vacation without incident. If you read the posts here by other travellers I think you'll see that Mexico appears to take this problem quite seriously although our overall response has been much different. In Mexico, from the airport to the door of your accommodations you will only come in contact with people who are practicing responsible health protocols. If anyone sneezes or coughs in your face you have my permission to whack them upside the head with a bone! ;-)

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by bigtwin96, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 14:19 (49 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Suggest you read this article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanielparishflannery/2020/09/03/why-are-so-many-people-dying-of-covid-19-in-mexico/

As for masking up etc... Yes, of course we do all the right things, but as the adage goes, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions". Not planning to get sick, but I want to know where, and what level of treatment would be available to me if I do.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 14:41 (49 days ago) @ bigtwin96

Suggest you read this article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanielparishflannery/2020/09/03/why-are-so-many-people-dying-of-covid-19-in-mexico/

As for masking up etc... Yes, of course we do all the right things, but as the adage goes, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions". Not planning to get sick, but I want to know where, and what level of treatment would be available to me if I do.

Thank you but I don’t need to read foreign media to know what’s going on in Mexico. I respectfully suggest you have a higher regard for local knowledge than FOREIGN news media. I certainly do. It also helps to be proficient in Spanish.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 14:49 (49 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:

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by bigtwin96, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 14:50 (49 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

A wise man considers all information available. Surprised you appear to be closed off to information that does not support your current position, or so your response would indicate. The value of a message board is greatly increased when a free exchange of ideas is supported. Just saying....

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 17:53 (49 days ago) @ bigtwin96

A wise man considers all information available. Surprised you appear to be closed off to information that does not support your current position, or so your response would indicate. The value of a message board is greatly increased when a free exchange of ideas is supported. Just saying....

All information is never available to anyone.

Forbes will never be my go-to source for news about Mexico. Instead, it is what I would read if I wanted a foreigner's point of view, which I do not in this case. I will continue relying on the sources I already have. But thank you.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Thursday, October 15, 2020, 12:56 (48 days ago) @ bigtwin96

:megusta:

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by hromero ⌂ @, Thursday, October 15, 2020, 13:07 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I have posted several spanish language articles that talk about the higher death rate of Covid-19 patients in Zihua hospitals. The facts do not support the assertion that medical care for COVID-19 patients in Mexico are up to par with the rest of the world. Patients are dying at a much higher rate and it isn't all attributable to comorbidities. They are doing better than many other latin american countries though. Some of you may find this article interesting in that it makes a valiant effort at explaining Mexico's death rate as it compares to many other countries.

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Humberto Romero
www.casaarcoiriszihuatanejo.com

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 23:15 (49 days ago) @ bigtwin96

Suggest you read this article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanielparishflannery/2020/09/03/why-are-so-many-people-dying-of-covid-19-in-mexico/

Just for the record, this is more of an opinion piece than an article although the author does have statistics to back up his opinions.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, October 15, 2020, 08:14 (48 days ago) @ Padrino

Suggest you read this article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanielparishflannery/2020/09/03/why-are-so-many-people-dying-of-covid-19-in-mexico/


Just for the record, this is more of an opinion piece than an article although the author does have statistics to back up his opinions.

Yes, and I wonder how many UnitedStaters read foreign language newspapers as a source for local information. Damn few I would expect.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Thursday, October 15, 2020, 13:17 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I subscribed to foreign news sources for news about the U.S. when I lived there because often times I felt it important to get information from sources who are "outside of the woods". While I no longer have the resources to subscribe to those sources I still search for news about the U.S. that are not from there in addition to the native sources. I consider external news sources about Mexico just as valuable, though they should not be consumed to the exclusion of local sources for sure. The problem I find with Mexican sources of news is that they are far more prone to be getting large percentages of their revenue from political parties and to be very biased in their reporting. Not saying that doesn't happen in the U.S. but I have had a learning curve in trying to find the more neutral sources. That unfortunately includes several of the news sources linked on your page. I very much appreciated the links as a place to start but have learned that I needed to expand beyond those sources to get the fuller picture I feel I need. I am still learning.

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Humberto Romero
www.casaarcoiriszihuatanejo.com

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Thursday, October 15, 2020, 14:08 (48 days ago) @ hromero

:megusta:

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, October 15, 2020, 14:24 (48 days ago) @ hromero

I subscribed to foreign news sources for news about the U.S. when I lived there because often times I felt it important to get information from sources who are "outside of the woods". While I no longer have the resources to subscribe to those sources I still search for news about the U.S. that are not from there in addition to the native sources. I consider external news sources about Mexico just as valuable, though they should not be consumed to the exclusion of local sources for sure. The problem I find with Mexican sources of news is that they are far more prone to be getting large percentages of their revenue from political parties and to be very biased in their reporting. Not saying that doesn't happen in the U.S. but I have had a learning curve in trying to find the more neutral sources. That unfortunately includes several of the news sources linked on your page. I very much appreciated the links as a place to start but have learned that I needed to expand beyond those sources to get the fuller picture I feel I need. I am still learning.

I on the other hand feel that I already understand Mexican lifestyles and culture to the extent that I find more bias than useful information in most foreign media sources.

Political slants when read with care and understanding can offer as much insight as what you consider neutrality, something I learned my very first semester in college. And a lot of what appears to be neutrality on the surface isn't when you are able to see it in the context of the bigger picture. No one criticizes what is wrong with the USA better than estadounidenses, just like no one criticizes what is wrong with Mexico better than Mexicans. But then when reading articles by Mexicans abroad such as Carlos Loret de Mola or Jorge Castañeda one must understand their own personal histories and biases, which I do very well. Well respected or well educated does not mean always correct or unbiased. That goes for me as well as for anyone else.

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by Casa Juan @, Thursday, October 15, 2020, 16:50 (48 days ago) @ hromero

Mexico Daily News seems to have a bias against Obrador. What is your take on it?

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Thursday, October 15, 2020, 23:45 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Yes, and I wonder how many UnitedStaters read foreign language newspapers as a source for local information. Damn few I would expect.

My Spanish is nowhere near good enough to read Spanish-language newspapers, although I do try sometimes with the Google translator. I simply adore going to cbc.ca and reading Canada's take on the U.S. My wife's best friend lives in Toronto and she keeps asking my wife, "What has happened to the United States?! What is going on in your country?! How stupid can your people be?!" (They talk frequently. My wife lived in Toronto for nine years and still has friends and family there.)

There is a disturbing article today in the Washington Post that discussed the reactions and behaviors of people during the black plague epidemics of the Middle Ages and our modern behavior. They are remarkably similar.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-plague-europe/2020/10/14/286af29c-07e9-11eb-8719-0df159d14794_story.html

Science matters, Friends. Or at least it used to in the United States.

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by bouldergene, Thursday, October 15, 2020, 13:59 (48 days ago) @ bigtwin96

The Forbes article was written on Sept. 3. The author seemingly thinks ventilators are the holy grail in treating Covid patients. It has been know since early April that ventilator use in treating Covid patients is a mixed blessing. I believe ventilator treatment is now a last resort in treating patients. I do agree that Mexico's death rate is too high (that's why I am siting home in Boulder right now instead of in Ixtapa), but it is not due to lack of ventilators or ventilator treatment.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/02/826105278/ventilators-are-no-panacea-for-critically-ill-covid-19-patients

https://www.propublica.org/article/ventilators-arent-going-to-cure-covid-19-heres-what-they-can-do

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, October 15, 2020, 14:36 (48 days ago) @ bouldergene

The Forbes article was written on Sept. 3. The author seemingly thinks ventilators are the holy grail in treating Covid patients. It has been know since early April that ventilator use in treating Covid patients is a mixed blessing. I believe ventilator treatment is now a last resort in treating patients. I do agree that Mexico's death rate is too high (that's why I am siting home in Boulder right now instead of in Ixtapa), but it is not due to lack of ventilators or ventilator treatment.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/02/826105278/ventilators-are-no-panacea-for-critically-ill-covid-19-patients

https://www.propublica.org/article/ventilators-arent-going-to-cure-covid-19-heres-what-they-can-do

Mexico's "death rate" appears high because of the infrequency of testing and the fact that Mexico has the highest incidence in America of diabetics, who along with people with hypertension, have been the hardest hit sector of the population. Unlike most of you who could shelter in place and wear masks and wash your hands with gel or soap and water, many poorer Mexicans never had the luxury of staying home or buying facemasks or gel, and they often don't even have running water in their homes. They've had to continue working, living day by day, trying to sell their wares in places where people congregate the most such as markets and places of public transportation. The overall curve of deaths has been dropping since July. I think Mexico is doing very well. Currently much of Guerrero including Zihuatanejo, Petatlán and La Unión (where Troncones is located) is also doing well. Numbers are going down.

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by Zihuateco, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 17:39 (49 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

We have been here for 4 days and we feel very safe if not safer than In LA. Taxi drivers have been wearing masks, some on beach wear masks or have the decency to put on when others are nearing them.

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 17:40 (49 days ago) @ bigtwin96

I’m curious. You seem quite concerned about the level of care should you acquire COVID-19. With that level of concern, why are you considering travel? We have reservations in mid-February, but are far from certain that we will keep them.