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by Pacific Princess, West, Sunday, September 18, 2022, 16:19 (69 days ago)

Did I hear correctly that Zihua is getting its own Liverpool? Where if it’s true? TNx

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☀️ Princess

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by Dougschuler @, Denver, Sunday, September 18, 2022, 20:56 (69 days ago) @ Pacific Princess

I was told next to Intercam Banco and Waldo’s

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Sunday, September 18, 2022, 21:08 (69 days ago) @ Dougschuler

We did see a sign there....

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by Colmac, Monday, September 19, 2022, 11:59 (68 days ago) @ Pacific Princess

What exactly is a Liverpool?

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Monday, September 19, 2022, 13:23 (68 days ago) @ Colmac

A department store.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Monday, September 19, 2022, 16:18 (68 days ago) @ Talley Ho

I have always wondered how the locals pronounced Liverpool. Just yesterday, I asked a local and she said it very similarly to how it is pronounced in English but with the "i" making a quick but discernible long "e" sound from English as would normally be done in Spanish. I wondered if they would pronounce the "oo" as the long "u" as it is done in English and she did.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Monday, September 19, 2022, 16:49 (68 days ago) @ Padrino

Yet they pronounce LOOT as lot. Interesting.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Monday, September 19, 2022, 17:19 (68 days ago) @ Talley Ho
edited by Padrino, Monday, September 19, 2022, 18:51

Yet they pronounce LOOT as lot. Interesting.

You mean with the English schwa (Ə) sound? That is interesting! Spanish speakers have a very difficult time with that sound. Just ask a native Spanish speaker to say comfortable or fountain. It's really hard for them.

On the other hand, it took me a long time to say estacionamiento and ingeniería trippingly upon the tongue with no hesitation. It helps to smile when you speak Spanish.

UPDATE: Ooops! As I was drenching myself in the very warm and turbulent waters of Playa Madera (I love Zihua!), I was thinking that lot doesn't use the schwa. Lot uses the "ah" sound. The dictionaries use the symbol "ä." My apologies.

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by Ironwood @, Monday, September 19, 2022, 18:48 (68 days ago) @ Padrino

Yet they pronounce LOOT as lot. Interesting.


You mean with the English schwa (Ə) sound? That is interesting! Spanish speakers have a very difficult time with that sound. Just ask a native Spanish speaker to say comfortable or fountain. It's really hard for them.

On the other hand, it took me a long time to time estacionamiento and ingeniería trippingly upon the tongue with no hesitation. It helps to smile when you speak Spanish.

Some words in Spanish are just fun to say. "Ayuntamiento" and "plumafuente" are two of my favourites.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Monday, September 19, 2022, 20:15 (68 days ago) @ Padrino

And I can rarely roll my rr's!!!!

Yes, it makes no sense to me that LOOT is lot. And I am working SO hard on speaking Spanish!

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by hromero ⌂ @, Monday, October 31, 2022, 11:24 (26 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Interesting, every native speaker I have heard say the name of the restaurant "Loot" pronounce it with the same long "o" as in English. I wonder why some say it differently?

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by EDISS, Tuesday, September 20, 2022, 09:56 (67 days ago) @ Padrino

All my life...we have pronounced it in Mexico City and elsewhere as (phonetically)...Liberpul...with an accent on the U...

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, September 20, 2022, 11:00 (67 days ago) @ EDISS

All my life...we have pronounced it in Mexico City and elsewhere as (phonetically)...Liberpul...with an accent on the U...

Así es la pronunciación correcta aquí en México.

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by EDISS, Tuesday, September 20, 2022, 12:11 (67 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Yep!:vivamexico:

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 01:49 (57 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
edited by jaui, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 01:54

All my life...we have pronounced it in Mexico City and elsewhere as (phonetically)...Liberpul...with an accent on the U...


Así es la pronunciación correcta aquí en México. "

I would say yes and no:
The Yes being that would typically be as you said, correct for a MX person, using the Spanish grammar "rules", as applied to the "Liverpool" word.
That said, the No being:
The correct pronounciation, IF it is a word en Inlgés, would be how an English speaker would say it.
MANY words get pretty mangled and end up being deviated by speakers of both languages.
For example the loads of US cities in towns con nombres en Español, are habitually mispronounced there in the US by that population, that's to say IF it is a palabra en Español, I.M.O it should be spoken as such. Though, obviously most English speakers don't have that down, and vice versa.

Lastly, I recall a very skilled bilingual lady t.v. personality who I admired because when she was speaking en Español, and an English word came up, she would pronounce it exactly and properly as an English as 1st language speaker does. NO "Spanglish".
So, she wouldn't say "Liberpúl", she would say it as an English speaking person does.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 12:03 (56 days ago) @ jaui

All my life...we have pronounced it in Mexico City and elsewhere as (phonetically)...Liberpul...with an accent on the U...


Así es la pronunciación correcta aquí en México. "


I would say yes and no:
The Yes being that would typically be as you said, correct for a MX person, using the Spanish grammar "rules", as applied to the "Liverpool" word.
That said, the No being:
The correct pronounciation, IF it is a word en Inlgés, would be how an English speaker would say it.
MANY words get pretty mangled and end up being deviated by speakers of both languages.
For example the loads of US cities in towns con nombres en Español, are habitually mispronounced there in the US by that population, that's to say IF it is a palabra en Español, I.M.O it should be spoken as such. Though, obviously most English speakers don't have that down, and vice versa.

Lastly, I recall a very skilled bilingual lady t.v. personality who I admired because when she was speaking en Español, and an English word came up, she would pronounce it exactly and properly as an English as 1st language speaker does. NO "Spanglish".
So, she wouldn't say "Liberpúl", she would say it as an English speaking person does.

That's a bit ethnocentric. In Mexico, like any Spanish-speaking country, words are normally pronounced by Spanish rules, same as English rules are used in Anglo-speaking countries. To insist it should be otherwise is being ethnocentric, IMHO and experience. That's why when foreigners use foreign names for their lodgings in Zihuatanejo, such as Tides, locals are going to pronounce it TEE days. Same with Palmolive soap. Pahl mo LEE vay. You say toe MAY toe, we say toe MAH toe. ;-)
Un saludo.

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by Yandosan, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 12:40 (56 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Or consider the low sales of the Chevy Nova
in Latin America. There was no mystery after they considered the
the translation. This carro no-va.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 13:14 (56 days ago) @ Yandosan

Or consider the low sales of the Chevy Nova
in Latin America. There was no mystery after they considered the
the translation. This carro no-va.

On the other hand, some companies just get all the breaks. In Mandarin Chinese, the pronunciation of Coca-Cola sounds similar to Happy Drink or literally, "happiness in the mouth." But this was only after they found that their first attempt sounded similar to, "bite the wax tadpole," or, "female horse stuffed with wax," depending upon the dialect.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/business-jokes/coca-cola-in-chinese-is-ke-kou-ke-la/articleshow/623585.cms

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by Steveo, Dayton Nevada, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 13:31 (56 days ago) @ Padrino

Padrino, speaking of “ happiness in the mouth” does the Ortega Bro still have there restaurants in Puerto Nuevo ?
The restaurant at the end of the road on the water was there best.

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by Zihuateco @, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 17:24 (56 days ago) @ Steveo

Restaurant Villa Ortega is still there pumping out baja style lobster and great flour tortillas.

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by Steveo, Dayton Nevada, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 18:14 (56 days ago) @ Zihuateco

Always our favorite place down there.
There was a time about 10 years ago that you could get 2 tails, rice,beans, with rolls stuffed with cream cheese and one margarita, all for 22 bucks. Seating right on the water.
Now on the other side of the boarder in San Diego on the waterfront, that meal would be 120.00 10 years ago.
Ok, back to the Beatles hometown.

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by Zihuateco @, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 19:07 (56 days ago) @ Steveo

I fondly recall 3 for 25 cents killer tacos in Baja. Then again, over 50 years ago.

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by Steveo, Dayton Nevada, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 19:27 (56 days ago) @ Zihuateco

Yep. Now there called street taco's

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by Steveo, Dayton Nevada, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 19:34 (56 days ago) @ Zihuateco

I’ve always wondered why there isn’t a tortilla lady on restaurant row in Z making flower tortillas. Small cart on the sidewalk selling them 3 for 20 pesos. All that is needed is butter and fresh salsa to put on them and it’s a meal

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Sunday, October 02, 2022, 09:04 (55 days ago) @ Steveo

Padrino, speaking of “ happiness in the mouth” does the Ortega Bro still have there restaurants in Puerto Nuevo ?
The restaurant at the end of the road on the water was there best.

As Zihuateco mentioned, they are still there but if you have not been in some time, you would only recognize the place by the sign. It is now huge and they have another in Rosarito. The sleepy little patch of ground by the road to Ensenada that was Puerto Nuevo has grown substantially and there are numerous other restaurants offering the local lobster signature dishes as well as shops selling Mexican art and souvenirs. Definitely one of the spots to visit if you ever travel to the Tijuana / Rosarito / Ensenada / Valle de Guadalupe region.

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by Steveo, Dayton Nevada, Sunday, October 02, 2022, 10:24 (55 days ago) @ Padrino
edited by Steveo, Sunday, October 02, 2022, 10:52

Also a must to see are the many wineries in the hills on the way to Ensenada.
Nice places to stay and visit the wineries.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Sunday, October 02, 2022, 11:07 (55 days ago) @ Steveo

Also a must to see are the many wineries in the hills on the way to Ensenada.
Nice places to stay and visit the ????

Indeed! That's the Valle de Guadalupe, the wine region of Mexico. They have really upped their game recently and been able to compete internationally in wine contests.

There are numerous awesome restaurants, hotels, and wineries in the area. There is also a wine museum that has a video about the origins of wine making in Eastern Europe. They were really disappointed that I didn't want to taste any of the wines. I apologized and told them that I get drunk off the communion wine at church.

Valle de Guadalupe Wine Museum Article

New York Times Article on the Valle de Guadalupe
(This link should allow those without a subscription to view the article.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valle_de_Guadalupe

Be ready to stop and ask for directions. Your GPS may send you along some roads that will make you question its reliability. So far, it has never failed us but as we bumped along a rugged dirt road for about 2 and a half miles, we really didn't think we were going in the right direction. All of a sudden, an oasis hotel, winery, and restaurant appeared. The food and view were inspiring. It was truly an adventure.

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by Steveo, Dayton Nevada, Sunday, October 02, 2022, 15:30 (55 days ago) @ Padrino

Yes sir. Lots of folks in So Cal and San Diego still haven’t experienced that area.
One of our favorite stops has always been Calafia.
Sit out on there many decks and look out over the pacific with a good lunch, drinks of your choice and maybe a good COHIBA to finish.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Monday, October 03, 2022, 10:00 (54 days ago) @ Steveo

Yes sir. Lots of folks in So Cal and San Diego still haven’t experienced that area.
One of our favorite stops has always been Calafia.
Sit out on there many decks and look out over the pacific with a good lunch, drinks of your choice and maybe a good COHIBA to finish.

Agreed. Calafia has always been one of our favorite haunts, especially during whale watching season, January and February. However, I am very sorry to report that Calafia has fallen into great disrepair. Most of the decks are closed off. Although the rooms are not boarded up, they don't appear inhabitable. We still go there every once in a while. The food is still decent and the view is to die for. There is even a small museum-like display as you enter the main building, showcasing the history of the site.

Note: The decks that Steveo is referring to were a series of wooden decks that started up on the cliffs and made their way down to the rocky beach below, culminating with a large dance floor next to the waves. Diners had their choice of tables up and down the decks. It was a truly festive atmosphere and where I initially fell in love with Mexican culture over 40 years ago.

Calafia has been eclipsed by their neighbor just a few hundreds meters to the north, Popotla. Someone has some deep pockets and has invested heavily in Popotla. I wish it were the same for Calafia.

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by Zihuateco @, Monday, October 03, 2022, 13:00 (54 days ago) @ Padrino

I had the good fortune as a kid/teenager to go on 2 month camping trips all the way down to the point - San Jose de Cabo. At times we really roughed it spending a couple of days here and there on some beach with no electricity, running water. My parents had a trailer and a not so reliable generator that would get us by to the next town. Ensenada was the last big stop to load up on supplies. We had had two dirt bikes and had a blast on the various sand dunes and beaches. I was down in the area 4 years ago and was shocked by the development. For some reason Santo Tomas, Loreto and Bahia de Concepcion were my favorite stops.

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by Yandosan, Monday, October 03, 2022, 14:39 (54 days ago) @ Zihuateco

According to legend Jesse Ventura has a secret hideaway down there near Loreto
where he brainstorms and takes peyote.

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 12:45 (56 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
edited by jaui, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 19:15

That's a bit ethnocentric. In Mexico, like any Spanish-speaking country, words are normally pronounced by Spanish rules, same as English rules are used in Anglo-speaking countries. To insist it should be otherwise is being ethnocentric, IMHO and experience. That's why when foreigners use foreign names for their lodgings in Zihuatanejo, such as Tides, locals are going to pronounce it TEE days. Same with Palmolive soap. Pahl mo LEE vay. You say toe MAY toe, we say toe MAH toe. ;-)
Un saludo. "

10-01-2022

@Z Rob

Call it how you like, and, that may be the case.

And I did NOT "INSIST".
It was simply a suggestion on how at least I.M.O. what the ideal pronounciation should be, as in the language of the origin of the word.
I know that that'll never happen.
I already indicated that..." correct for a MX person, using the Spanish grammar "rules".

For the most part, obviously people who speak whatever language it is they have as their 1st language, will naturally add that accent and manner to the pronunciation.

I was just commenting on what I.M.O SHOULD be the correct pronounication of the word, as it would be, without adding Spanglish or other deviations to it.

As I cited the example of the highly skilled bilingual t.v personality that when she was speaking in Spanish, and a word in English came up, she would use that pronounciation, and not convert it to "Spanglish", or use the Spanish grammar rules to pronounce it.
Though I have heard other speakers do the same, it is rare to hear someone speak as such.

Saludos.

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 12:53 (56 days ago) @ jaui
edited by jaui, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 13:04

Here's another alteration:

la compañia de telefonía llamado BAIT is pronounced here as:
bite
versus how an English speaker would say it, identical to how it is used for the food on the line when fishing.

I even changed the English spelling of my name to Jaui, in order to make it pronouncable using the Spanish grammar rules.

Here, Howie would be pronounced something like "o we yay"
la h frecuentemente es muda en palabras en Español.

--
jaui

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by Ironwood @, Sunday, October 02, 2022, 01:47 (56 days ago) @ jaui

All my life...we have pronounced it in Mexico City and elsewhere as (phonetically)...Liberpul...with an accent on the U...


Así es la pronunciación correcta aquí en México. "


I would say yes and no:
The Yes being that would typically be as you said, correct for a MX person, using the Spanish grammar "rules", as applied to the "Liverpool" word.
That said, the No being:
The correct pronounciation, IF it is a word en Inlgés, would be how an English speaker would say it.
MANY words get pretty mangled and end up being deviated by speakers of both languages.
For example the loads of US cities in towns con nombres en Español, are habitually mispronounced there in the US by that population, that's to say IF it is a palabra en Español, I.M.O it should be spoken as such. Though, obviously most English speakers don't have that down, and vice versa.

Lastly, I recall a very skilled bilingual lady t.v. personality who I admired because when she was speaking en Español, and an English word came up, she would pronounce it exactly and properly as an English as 1st language speaker does. NO "Spanglish".
So, she wouldn't say "Liberpúl", she would say it as an English speaking person does.

Gosh, I hope if you're going on vacation to France, you don't tell folks you'll be spending a few days in "Paree". There's a good word in English for that: it's "affected." ;-)

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Sunday, October 02, 2022, 13:01 (55 days ago) @ Ironwood
edited by jaui, Sunday, October 02, 2022, 17:26

Gosh, I hope if you're going on vacation to France, you don't tell folks you'll be spending a few days in "Paree". There's a good word in English for that: it's "affected." ;-)

10-02-2022

@ Ironwood

Sorry Charlie, not going ANYWHERE on vacation.
& if I was, sure the heck wouldn't be to France.

That said, IF I did speak French, maybe I would use the authentic French pronunciation for Paris! "Gosh" is that so bad for you?

And, I have NO idea what your comment implied, other than being rude and disrepectful.
NO, Not "affected" by that!

Hello @Pacific Princess

As is often the case on Z Board, a simple basic question you asked, ended up being a large thread that for the most part had nothing to do with your simple and basic inquiry. I even contributed to that, in response to a reply about the pronunciation of that name using Mexican grammar "rules". Then others took my reply a bit erroneously, so I replied back to those.
Regards :-D

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jaui

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by Quincy, Thursday, September 29, 2022, 18:11 (58 days ago) @ Colmac

A very high-end department store, there is one in Mazatlan.

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by mexicoman @, Playa Del Carmen, Friday, September 30, 2022, 08:08 (57 days ago) @ Quincy
edited by mexicoman, Friday, September 30, 2022, 08:24

A very high-end department store, there is one in Mazatlan.

It may be considered high end in Mexico but it is actually the equivalent of Macy's in the US. El Palacio de Hierro would be what is considered high end. However Liverpool is a nice store.

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by Quincy, Saturday, October 01, 2022, 20:19 (56 days ago) @ mexicoman

High end to my wallet... Lol

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by bob/medhat @, medicine hat, alberta, Monday, October 31, 2022, 09:59 (26 days ago) @ mexicoman

It reminded me of Holt Renfrew in Canada.

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by Ironwood @, Sunday, October 02, 2022, 01:44 (56 days ago) @ Quincy

A very high-end department store, there is one in Mazatlan.

The high-end department store in Mazatlan Centro was called Francia......and high-end indeed: we couldn't afford to shop there.
Is it now a Liverpool?

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by Susan G @, Zihua/La Ropa, Friday, September 30, 2022, 08:04 (57 days ago) @ Pacific Princess

It will be a "Liverpool Click & Collect," a higher-end department store from which one can order and pick up items.

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by StewbUK @, Friday, September 30, 2022, 17:31 (57 days ago) @ Susan G

Thank goodness.
I thought we were going to end up with a bunch of scousers running around causing trouble

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Friday, September 30, 2022, 17:43 (57 days ago) @ StewbUK

Thank goodness.
I thought we were going to end up with a bunch of scousers running around causing trouble

"Scousers?" Translation, please? Is this a UK slang term? Something to do with the city in England?

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by Altona Stu @, Altona, Manitoba, Friday, September 30, 2022, 22:19 (57 days ago) @ Padrino

Definition of Scouser
: a native or inhabitant of Liverpool, England.

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Monday, October 03, 2022, 17:30 (54 days ago) @ Altona Stu

Definition of Scouser
: a native or inhabitant of Liverpool, England.

always thought someone from Liverpool was a Liverpudlian

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by Steveo, Dayton Nevada, Monday, October 03, 2022, 18:23 (54 days ago) @ mindpilot

We could ask Paul and Ringo for the definitive definition..

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by Steveo, Dayton Nevada, Monday, October 03, 2022, 18:27 (54 days ago) @ Steveo

BTW, don’t bother asking Pete Best. He still has a chip on his shoulder bigger than his feet.
Still can’t talk to people that he meets.

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by bob/medhat @, medicine hat, alberta, Monday, October 31, 2022, 09:56 (26 days ago) @ Pacific Princess

I was in a Liverpool in Mazatlan and it seemed to me to be pretty high end.