Jose Azueta statue Zihuatanejo.

by Parkman, Monday, March 13, 2017, 07:38 (220 days ago)

I read lots of comments about the Jose Azueta statue, and the thing that stands out for me is that most of the comments appear to be from people who are not actually Mexican.

I live in Ireland, and people here object to "visitors" who complain about statues to fallen Irish heroes, and rightly so. Why should visitors complain about statues that they probably know nothing about ? They should mind their own business and respect the fact that the statue represents something to local or national sentiment. It is nothing to do with whether visitors like it or not.

I was in Zihuetanejo two weeks ago, for a short holiday, and I went down to the port to look at the statue, and I can tell you that I like it. I think that it should remain where it is because, whether visitors like it or not, it is in respect of a Mexican war and Jose Azueta is a Mexican hero whether visitors like it or not.

Should Britain, for instance, take down monuments of Nelson or the Duke of Wellington, or Churchill just because some visitors from France, Spain or Germany say that they don't like the monuments ? Absolutely not, it is nothing to do with them, in the same way that I wouldn't expect the French to remove statues to Napoleon just because I don't like him.

I see nothing offensive about Azueta's statue, and I hope it remains there permanently, to give Mexican people something to have pride in. God knows, we all need those feelings in todays world.

Parkman.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Monday, March 13, 2017, 08:07 (220 days ago) @ Parkman

People should certainly have pride in their history. While I have no love for those polluting cruise ships in the bay, I'm not convinced that a person seeing a statue pointing a rifle at them as they disembark, is going to make them feel welcome. Surely, there's a better place for it.

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by midalake @, Monday, March 13, 2017, 09:41 (220 days ago) @ frostbite

People should certainly have pride in their history. While I have no love for those polluting cruise ships in the bay, I'm not convinced that a person seeing a statue pointing a rifle at them as they disembark, is going to make them feel welcome. Surely, there's a better place for it.


I do not hate the statue....but I would like it better if aimed at the Port Operations building.

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by Parkman, Monday, March 13, 2017, 16:26 (220 days ago) @ midalake

I am not sure that just because the statue is pointing towards the sea, and the pier, that any visitor who is blessed with common sense would feel that he is not welcome.

However, at the risk of offending American visitors, they get offended at pretty much anything that they don't understand. I say this based on the fact, for instance, that if there is any trouble on an airline going to Europe then Americans refuse to travel to any European destination where-ever it may be, whereas Europeans just shrug their shoulders and get on with life.

So I say just get on with it, the guy is a Mexican hero, and not meant to be a hero to the USA or any other country.

But I am pleased to see that I am not the only one that likes the statue. Ref. midalake.

In fact, I think that I will write to the Mayor of Zihuatanejo and ask if he has another one that he could give me !!!! I will be most happy to put it in my front garden.

Parkman

Jose Azueta statue Zihuatanejo.

by wisconsinjuan, Monday, March 13, 2017, 16:48 (220 days ago) @ Parkman

I take it from your post that you aren't American. As an American, I do take offense to the part of your post directed at Americans. Americans, Canadians and others who are here in Mexico have read plenty of news stories about the violence here and decided to come here to this lovely place and be a little more careful than last year.

So, if you just don't like Americans I can understand that. Just don't lump us all together and I'll try to do the same in return.

PS. Let's not derail any more threads, OK?

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by Parkman, Tuesday, March 14, 2017, 14:33 (219 days ago) @ wisconsinjuan

My post was just commenting on the fact that people from the States won't travel by air to Europe if there is even a hint of trouble. I recently [two weeks ago in Orlando] spoke to three Americans who have cancelled travel plans to France - because of the problems in Turkey !!

How ridiculous - they said that they felt that air travel to Paris is too big a risk !! Really, get a life.

But generally speaking I like Americans and I like visiting the States.

Parkman.

Jose Azueta statue Zihuatanejo.

by Roberto G., Thursday, March 16, 2017, 19:41 (217 days ago) @ Parkman

Parkman,
I'm an American who loves to travel the world. I visit Zihuatanejo for the winter as it's my favorite place in the world. I've been to Ireland which is a beautiful Country. Last year I visited Canada for the first time and as a matter of fact I'll be visiting there again in a few weeks. I also visited Greece and Turkey last year and many people here thought I was crazy for visiting there. Of course I had a great time in both Countries and want to return again. I don't pay much attention to the media here in the states.
Viva México !!!

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Monday, March 13, 2017, 17:50 (220 days ago) @ Parkman

That's funny!

If it were true, Y'all'd be speaking German just about everywhere over there!

Keith

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by Parkman, Tuesday, March 14, 2017, 14:36 (219 days ago) @ Labrat

Errrrm, not quite sure what this refers to. I don't think that Mexicans speak German - or..... do they ???

Parkman.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Tuesday, March 14, 2017, 14:46 (219 days ago) @ Parkman

If it was for those Snooty Americans, Europeans would be.

Keith

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, March 14, 2017, 17:45 (219 days ago) @ Labrat

If it was for those Snooty Americans, Europeans would be.

Keith

Not according to any Russian.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Wednesday, March 15, 2017, 08:25 (218 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Opinions differ Comrade!

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"We promised the Europeans freedom. It would be worse than dishonorable not to see they have it. This might mean war with the Russians, but what of it? They have no Air Force anymore , their gasoline and ammunition supplies are ow.I've seen their miserable supply trains;mostly wagons draw by beaten up old hoses or oxen.

I'll say this ;the Third Army alone with very little help and with damned few casulaties,could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words.Don't ever forget them. Someday we will have to fight them and it will take six years and cost us six million lives." Gen. George S. Patton

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by HolyMole @, Thursday, March 16, 2017, 11:25 (217 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

If it was for those Snooty Americans, Europeans would be.

Keith


Not according to any Russian.

There were a few Brits, Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians, etc., as well, but, as usual, they're all chopped liver when it comes to Amurican greatness.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Thursday, March 16, 2017, 12:43 (217 days ago) @ HolyMole

Of course there were, and everyone was more than happy to see them!

But then they were not the brunt of the asinine comment that I was responding to, now were they?

Keith

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by Mexalberta @, Monday, March 13, 2017, 18:13 (220 days ago) @ Parkman

good thing we don't understand tagging

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by HolyMole @, Monday, March 13, 2017, 17:00 (220 days ago) @ frostbite

People should certainly have pride in their history. While I have no love for those polluting cruise ships in the bay, I'm not convinced that a person seeing a statue pointing a rifle at them as they disembark, is going to make them feel welcome. Surely, there's a better place for it.

Jose Azueta died in defense of Veracruz against the U.S. occupation in 1914.

Just to stir up the waters, here's what author Paul Theroux in "The Old Patagonian Express" had to say:

“I walked a mile to the Castle of San Juan de Ulua……The castle contains a permanent exhibit of Veracruz’s past – a pictorial record of invasions, punitive missions, and local military defeats. It was that most Mexican of enthusiasms – humiliation as history. If the engravings and old photographs showed how cynical and aggressive other countries – but mainly the United States – had been toward Mexico, the prominence of the exhibit in Veracruz invited the Mexican to a morning of wound licking and self-contempt. Veracruz is known as “the heroic city.” It is a poignant description: in Mexico a hero is nearly always a corpse.”

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Love the Sculpture!!!

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa/Silver Strand Beach, California, Monday, March 13, 2017, 19:57 (220 days ago) @ Parkman

We both think the sculpture is fabulous, and honestly portrayed. Beautifully done, placed in an interesting, well viewed area, it shows what the people of Mexico think and believe in.

Welcome to Mexico, don't forget where you are!!!!

Love the Sculpture!!!

by Commander Barrett, Tuesday, March 14, 2017, 08:20 (219 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Tally Ho, nice job. I totally agree with you. People forget they are guests of the Mexican people when visiting here. In the U.S. the Civil War (War between the states) memorials in the north point south, in the south they point north. Some, or most, have cannons from that time pointing the same. It is accepted.
When Mrs. B and I see the statue, we see a beautiful piece of art honoring a person of deep respect, from the Mexican citizens.
Enjoy your time in Zihua, sit back and relax.

Love the Sculpture!!!

by Parkman, Tuesday, March 14, 2017, 14:39 (219 days ago) @ Commander Barrett

And again - my sentiments exactly.

Parkman.

Love the Sculpture!!!

by Parkman, Tuesday, March 14, 2017, 14:38 (219 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Quite agree, my sentiments exactly.

Parkman.