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by jimontheriver, Thursday, March 16, 2017, 10:19 (44 days ago)

Where is there a place in Ixtapa along all the hotels to get to the beach without going thru a hotel?

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by mnice @, Thursday, March 16, 2017, 10:26 (44 days ago) @ jimontheriver

There are two places. Right next to the Barcelo Hotel. The other is on the other end of town. Go into the street for the Posada Real Hotel and the Dolphin place and the Carlos and Charlies entrance. Be sure to stop at Baltazars' Coconut stand and have a fresh coconut! Awesome!

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by kathyMN @, Blaine, Minnesota, Thursday, March 16, 2017, 10:59 (44 days ago) @ mnice

There is a third access point by the marina, next to the new Peninsula project

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by mnice @, Thursday, March 16, 2017, 12:00 (44 days ago) @ kathyMN

:megusta: forgot that one!:brilliant:

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by jimontheriver, Thursday, March 16, 2017, 21:26 (44 days ago) @ mnice

So Carlos & Charles is still there. I thought they closed. Loved that place about 30 years ago. Remember being there one night when the power went off and we ordered, ate and payed by candle and flash lite. Thanks to all for the info!

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by wisconsinjuan, Friday, March 17, 2017, 14:05 (43 days ago) @ jimontheriver

I think Carlos skipped town a few years ago. It is just called Charley's now. No longer a kiddie hot spot, but you can rent a table, chairs and umbrella there. They serve food and beverages, but I've never eaten there so can't comment on quality.

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by Roberto G., Thursday, March 16, 2017, 19:02 (44 days ago) @ jimontheriver

Another access is beside the dolphinarium where the rock and arena / sand beach bar is.

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by HolyMole @, Friday, March 17, 2017, 15:32 (43 days ago) @ Roberto G.

Another access is beside the dolphinarium where the rock and arena / sand beach bar is.

That's the old Carlos & Charleys referred to above.

I'd still like to see a flotilla of folks land en masse on the "private beach" at Las Brisas to test the "all beaches in Mexico are public" theory, if only to see how fast it takes the security guards to remove them.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Friday, March 17, 2017, 15:37 (43 days ago) @ HolyMole

Wait, What?

There are Locals fishing the rocks there just about every trip down for us.
Locals come down to harvest Barnacles when the tide is right.
The Dive boat is just off the beach many evenings, and we get treated to watching his underwater spotlight as he searches the crevices in the rocks.
Etc
Etc
Etc

Keith

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by gemini67, Friday, March 17, 2017, 16:19 (43 days ago) @ Labrat

Labrat, how about the guys slapping a stick on the surface of the water while feeling golf balls on the bottom with his feet? Back in the 80s,we were still playing and loving how fast the crocs were able to run. Times change.:jam:

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by HolyMole @, Friday, March 17, 2017, 16:48 (43 days ago) @ Labrat

Wait, What?

There are Locals fishing the rocks there just about every trip down for us.
Locals come down to harvest Barnacles when the tide is right.
The Dive boat is just off the beach many evenings, and we get treated to watching his underwater spotlight as he searches the crevices in the rocks.
Etc
Etc
Etc

Keith

I'm pretty sure Las Brisas won't allow anyone to access the beach by walking through the hotel - and I would be shocked if their security guards would allow anyone to use "their" beach, whether accessed by water, or if there's some way to access it by land without going through the lobby. But maybe I'm wrong. Is there public access to the Las Brisas beach?

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by noelofthenorth, Saturday, March 18, 2017, 03:13 (43 days ago) @ HolyMole

They have a day pass but I don t remember how much it was but it included a bucket of Coronitas Still worth the price of admission You can t beat their location for beach bar restos...

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Saturday, March 18, 2017, 07:56 (43 days ago) @ HolyMole

There is a path around from the Pacifica side (too rough for this old fart), as well as one down the hill from the La Roca neighborhood.

That said, why would what you mentioned be any different than any other hotel on El Palmar? None of them simply let the public wander though to the beach either to my knowledge, or am I mistaken?

Keith

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!!!Stuff Yourself, Not A Fish!!!
Please only kill the fish that you are going to eat.

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by Altona Stu @, Saturday, March 18, 2017, 08:20 (43 days ago) @ Labrat

Our experience is that if you don't try to walk through with a cooler full of beer and food they let you go. Buying a cerveza or two while you are down at the beach seems to cement your visiting rights.

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by Mexalberta @, Saturday, March 18, 2017, 08:26 (43 days ago) @ Labrat

Emporio lets you cut through some of the time. Depends on my Spanish that day
I walk from the condo to the bank on the street and back on the beach

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Saturday, March 18, 2017, 11:06 (42 days ago) @ Mexalberta

I think you can get by with it at Emporio and Krystal if you just walk though like you own the place!

Not AI so No Wristbands to trip ya up!!

Keith

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!!!Stuff Yourself, Not A Fish!!!
Please only kill the fish that you are going to eat.

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by Jackson88 @, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 18:53 (41 days ago) @ Labrat

The Emporio will know if you are staying there. All guests wear a wrist band. Not sure about the Krystal.

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by HolyMole @, Saturday, March 18, 2017, 11:15 (42 days ago) @ Labrat

There is a path around from the Pacifica side (too rough for this old fart), as well as one down the hill from the La Roca neighborhood.

That said, why would what you mentioned be any different than any other hotel on El Palmar? None of them simply let the public wander though to the beach either to my knowledge, or am I mistaken?

Keith

The well-heeled have that "je ne sais quoi" that we plebes just don't seem able to master. Every time we try passing through some posh lobby to get to the beach, I tell Mrs. H: "Walk like we own the place" - but some security Nazi is on us like a flash, and we're given the bum's rush.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if Mexican Federal regulations mandated that every beachfront resort/hotel had to include a clearly marked and maintained public corridor for beach access? But it would never fly - the hoity-toity certainly can't be expected to have to rub shoulders with actual regular Mexicans, can they?

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by wisconsinjuan, Saturday, March 18, 2017, 13:46 (42 days ago) @ HolyMole

The beach is public, up to a certain point relative to the strongest high tide. (sorry, I don't remember all the particulars)The property owner owns the rest. Why should a private business invest in nice facilities and you get to use them for free? They are for their guests, not the general public. You can park your yacht off the beach and take your tender boat in.

We used to stay at Las Brisas for many years, but we stay longer now, so a hotel room just isn't practical. The restaurants are still very good and they are happy to accommodate you. Employees from many years ago still remember us. Why don't you get over your attitude and give it a try. Whoops, I forgot. They do have a minimal dress code at night.

The best part of the beach is I don't hear "wanna go fishing" every five minutes.

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by HolyMole @, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 12:22 (41 days ago) @ wisconsinjuan

The beach is public, up to a certain point relative to the strongest high tide. (sorry, I don't remember all the particulars)The property owner owns the rest. Why should a private business invest in nice facilities and you get to use them for free? They are for their guests, not the general public. You can park your yacht off the beach and take your tender boat in.

We used to stay at Las Brisas for many years, but we stay longer now, so a hotel room just isn't practical. The restaurants are still very good and they are happy to accommodate you. Employees from many years ago still remember us. Why don't you get over your attitude and give it a try. Whoops, I forgot. They do have a minimal dress code at night.

The best part of the beach is I don't hear "wanna go fishing" every five minutes.

Well, at least someone took the bait. But my suggestion was serious. We've never expected to be able to use a beach hotel's amenities unless we were staying there, but there are 'way too many Mexican beach resorts that have appropriated entire beaches as their own, effectively privatizing them. From the high tide line, or 30 meters above that line....whatever the details.... the Mexican Constitution says beaches are public, and the public shouldn't have to embark on arduous overland treks to bypass private property that blocks public access. If hotel operators and their guests don't want the great unwashed tramping through the lobby, ensure that building codes include a requirement that these resorts provide (and maintain) a corridor for access to those public beaches.
On Ixtapa's Playa Palmar, kudos to the authorities for providing the two widely-separated public access points, with ample parking and, at least at the access near the dolphinarium, toilet facilities.

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by wisconsinjuan, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 14:47 (41 days ago) @ HolyMole

You seem to be awfully upset about 300 meters of beach that is not easily accessible to you. What's the real problem?

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by HolyMole @, Monday, March 20, 2017, 16:39 (40 days ago) @ wisconsinjuan

You seem to be awfully upset about 300 meters of beach that is not easily accessible to you. What's the real problem?

Just an exaggerated sense of fairness, I guess, that you apparently wouldn't understand.

Ooops, I forgot: :-)

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by wisconsinjuan, Friday, March 24, 2017, 12:49 (36 days ago) @ HolyMole

I understand more than you think. I'd be interested in your plan for how the area around Playa Vista Hermosa should have been developed instead of how it was developed, and why your way would have been superior, taking in all aspects of land use, parking, job creation , etc.

Personally, I don't think anything would have ever been able to be built there if they had to cut a swath of land for a public access including parking and facilities.

Finally, what can be done to correct the problem now? Or should we just gripe about the hoity toity?

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by HolyMole @, Monday, March 27, 2017, 15:00 (33 days ago) @ wisconsinjuan

I understand more than you think. I'd be interested in your plan for how the area around Playa Vista Hermosa should have been developed instead of how it was developed, and why your way would have been superior, taking in all aspects of land use, parking, job creation , etc.

Personally, I don't think anything would have ever been able to be built there if they had to cut a swath of land for a public access including parking and facilities.

Finally, what can be done to correct the problem now? Or should we just gripe about the hoity toity?

Huh? My point was simply that no private enterprise should be permitted to effectively privatize any beach that is, by Mexican law, supposed to be available for public use. If developers effectively block public access, (we've seen plenty of examples where huge hotel complexes do exactly that), then the developer should be required to provide public access. What part of that do you have a problem with?

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by jbmass ⌂ @, Mass,.. N.H...Zih., Tuesday, March 28, 2017, 09:30 (33 days ago) @ wisconsinjuan

," I don't think anything would have ever been able to be built there if they had to cut a swath of land for a public access including parking and facilities."Maybe it should have been left for public access.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, March 28, 2017, 12:40 (32 days ago) @ jbmass

," I don't think anything would have ever been able to be built there if they had to cut a swath of land for a public access including parking and facilities." Maybe it should have been left for public access.

BINGO!

Know what's been great with every tourism-based place I've ever lived before bad development ruined it? Folks were more generous with sharing and caring for the natural resources. From the U.S. Virgin Islands to Florida's Suncoast barrier islands to here. Locals generally would never consider doing things that newcomers and especially greedy and unscrupulous investors and developers from other places with no local cares other than economic couldn't give a flea's fart about. Such as privatizing beaches or otherwise blocking their access.

Fonatur, the federal government's tourism development agency that stole much of the land in Ixtapa from Zihuatanejo's ejidatarios 44 years ago without paying them, could care less about what's good for the community or the ecology, and not being from here they haven't a friggin' clue what local customs and culture are. "Ixtapa-Zihuatanejo" is just a gold mine to be exploited, and so they do their best to justify their existence.

When they designed Ixtapa, Fonatur begrudgingly left a few beach accesses for locals, and locals have had to fight to keep the accesses they have, all lacking services and maintenance, some even invaded by vendedores ambulantes who then of course demand services and rights after the government does nothing to remove them year after year.

So even though the Constitución de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos says all beaches in Mexico are public and even though locals had previously never denied beach access to the public, each year developers and newcomers and unscrupulous public servants have other ideas and motives and we lose a little bit more and a little bit more.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Tuesday, March 28, 2017, 13:32 (32 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

If they didn't do it back then, you would still have dirt roads and even shittier infrastructure.

Yes, I know, that is what some would have wished for it to stay, but the wheels on the bus go round and round, the wheels on the bus go round.

Keith

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Please only kill the fish that you are going to eat.

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by ZihuaRx, Tuesday, March 28, 2017, 23:43 (32 days ago) @ Labrat

I don't know Keith...It would be tough to have shitier infrastructure.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Wednesday, March 29, 2017, 08:04 (32 days ago) @ ZihuaRx

You may have a point!

keith

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by Mexalberta @, Saturday, March 18, 2017, 15:54 (42 days ago) @ HolyMole

There are no posh hotels in Ixtapa. No 5 stars !

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by midalake @, Saturday, March 18, 2017, 17:43 (42 days ago) @ Mexalberta

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by Mexalberta @, Saturday, March 18, 2017, 18:12 (42 days ago) @ midalake

Exactly, it is not in Ixtapa

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 09:31 (42 days ago) @ Mexalberta

Exactly, it is not in Ixtapa

You must be geographically challenged. That most definitely IS Ixtapa. Ixtapa is divided into Zona Hotelera I and Zona Hotelera II. Capella is in ZHII which has always been considered Ixtapa by locals and all branches of the government. Just sayin'... :stirpot:

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by Mexalberta @, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 10:06 (42 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Wow ! I guess I am challenged when it comes to the lack of logic .
But I do know which way is up.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 10:11 (42 days ago) @ Mexalberta

Wow ! I guess I am challenged when it comes to the lack of logic .
But I do know which way is up.

Is Alberta like the Texas/Oklahoma of Canada? :stirpot:

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by cantinero46, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 10:28 (41 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Rob,it certainly is,but a hell of a lot colder,and their only loonies are in money:jam: :brilliant:

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by Mexalberta @, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 11:12 (41 days ago) @ cantinero46

How would you know.
Your map shows a flat earth.

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by cantinero46, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 11:16 (41 days ago) @ Mexalberta

Bertha, ???????:wtf: bye bye and again,,,,,:wtf:

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by Mexalberta @, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 11:41 (41 days ago) @ cantinero46

Sorry I was pissed. We are the furthest in thought and process as you can be from Texas.
The Clampits are not from Alberta.

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by cantinero46, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 12:07 (41 days ago) @ Mexalberta

ALBERTA,ALBERTA,Lo sientro bro....:brilliant:

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by Mexalberta @, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 11:11 (41 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Not really, we have open borders.

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by wisconsinjuan, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 22:10 (41 days ago) @ Mexalberta

If you don't have enough new immigrants, perhaps you could take some off of Trump's hands.

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by Canada1 @, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 19:13 (41 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Wow ! I guess I am challenged when it comes to the lack of logic .
But I do know which way is up.


Is Alberta like the Texas/Oklahoma of Canada? :stirpot:

Rob, I think you mean Quebec, that is the Home of our rednecks...lol:stirpot:

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by Mexalberta @, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 19:18 (41 days ago) @ Canada1

Gracias

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by noelofthenorth, Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 05:13 (40 days ago) @ Canada1

No Red Necks in Quebec we only breed Prime Ministers for Canada

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by Canada1 @, Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 08:25 (40 days ago) @ noelofthenorth

No Red Necks in Quebec we only breed Prime Ministers for Canada

And like all good offspring they know very well that they must look after their parents :worthy:

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by Mexalberta @, Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 08:34 (40 days ago) @ noelofthenorth

Prime 'Ministers Mills are as bad as Puppy Mills especially when the father was weak.

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by noelofthenorth, Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 14:23 (38 days ago) @ Mexalberta

Stood up to rioting separatists at a rally, did not let security take him to safety, called out the war measures act and was nt afraid to use fuddle duddle..
Weak?

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by Mexalberta @, Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 16:18 (38 days ago) @ noelofthenorth

Not an issue that concerns us

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by Canada1 @, Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 16:19 (38 days ago) @ Mexalberta

Prime 'Ministers Mills are as bad as Puppy Mills especially when the father was weak.

Lol.....exactly, it's probably a good thing that all Canadians don't get to vote on a Quebec separation Vote! :stirpot:

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by ZihuaRx, Saturday, March 25, 2017, 18:04 (35 days ago) @ Canada1

:megusta:

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by HolyMole @, Tuesday, March 28, 2017, 16:41 (32 days ago) @ Canada1

Prime 'Ministers Mills are as bad as Puppy Mills especially when the father was weak.


Lol.....exactly, it's probably a good thing that all Canadians don't get to vote on a Quebec separation Vote! :stirpot:

Is this Alberta Redneck Week?

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by ZihuaRx, Tuesday, March 28, 2017, 23:48 (32 days ago) @ HolyMole

Why would you say Redneck?

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by ZihuaRx, Saturday, March 25, 2017, 18:03 (35 days ago) @ noelofthenorth

and suck money from the west