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Smokey but no Miracles in Zih

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, April 15, 2017, 14:08 (244 days ago)

Newspapers are reporting that 8 bars in Ixtapa were affected by a fire that apparently began in the bar La Malkerida last night around 03:30. Suspicious is damn right!

Meanwhile here in Zihuatanejo and along the entire coast of Guerrero down to Acapulco we all woke up to asphyxiating smoke this morning. Couldn't see across the bay from the beach, and I couldn't even see El Cerro Viejo from our rooftop.

In Ixtapa, besides the destroyed bars, I saw a photo of Playa El Palmar completely covered in litter this morning. The worst I've ever seen it. Mostly styrofoam cups (which are supposed to be prohibited on the beach) and plastic bottles (which should be prohibited or else made with biodegradable materials). So much for the millions spent on the dumb beach certification and the salaries of all those so-called Eco-Guardians who appear only to harass folks with their pets. Pets are NOT the problem. Son los cochinos disfrazados de humanos.

But the tourists seem oblivious to the death and destruction (and that's the same everywhere). The streets and beaches are jam-packed full and overflowing with happy families enjoying their respite from the inland cities.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Saturday, April 15, 2017, 14:32 (244 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Maybe a local that was kept sleepless by the noise, went out for a "smoke".

Keith

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by Mexalberta @, Saturday, April 15, 2017, 18:42 (243 days ago) @ Labrat

Not funny Keith

A very good friends family lost two establishments in the fire.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Saturday, April 15, 2017, 21:24 (243 days ago) @ Mexalberta

I didn't mean it to be funny.

It seems to me that there has been an ongoing dissatisfaction between the bars and the residents over the noise generated by the bars.

Keith

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Saturday, April 15, 2017, 14:33 (244 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Do these pigs' hometowns look like that, too, or do they just leave these messes where they visit?

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by joe26170 @, Full time in Z, Saturday, April 15, 2017, 15:01 (244 days ago) @ frostbite

It's not just the tourists the residents are just as bad if not worse.

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by bouldergene, Saturday, April 15, 2017, 15:41 (244 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Took a stroll on Palmar beach this morning around 10:00am. Walked by two of the public entrance areas, where the day tourists tend to congregate, and saw no litter. Hell of a clean up crew.
Did not venture into the restaurant/bar area, so no idea how that looks.

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by ixtapa96 @, Saturday, April 15, 2017, 19:39 (243 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

May I ask how 8 bars were affected......seems odd. Or is it implied that more than one bar had suspicious activity/arson take place?
Needless to say I know they are not all connected side by side, so just trying to get an idea.
If it were a big blaze of course many other businesses nearby other than bars could have had sustained some form of damage.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, April 15, 2017, 19:48 (243 days ago) @ ixtapa96

May I ask how 8 bars were affected......seems odd. Or is it implied that more than one bar had suspicious activity/arson take place?
Needless to say I know they are not all connected side by side, so just trying to get an idea.
If it were a big blaze of course many other businesses nearby other than bars could have had sustained some form of damage.

I wasn't there, and all I've seen are photos and videos and witness accounts. I'll let one of the videos speak for itself how a fire in Ixtapa can affect other establishments.

http://www.facebook.com/CapitalZIH/videos/766181290214077/

Maybe now the municipal government will heed the decades' long cries by residents and business people to have a properly equipped fire department in both Ixtapa and Zihuatanejo. Currently what passes for our fire department receives nothing but empty promises from our municipal government.

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by ixtapa96 @, Saturday, April 15, 2017, 22:39 (243 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Quite the blaze!! So of course those 2 bars......what else?

Was just there but I don't exactly remember everything very near there.

Did eat at Casa Morelos a couple times.......did it remain intact?

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by Mexalberta @, Saturday, April 15, 2017, 20:32 (243 days ago) @ ixtapa96

Just rsaw photos
Laguna and Kopados are gone

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by midalake @, Saturday, April 15, 2017, 21:23 (243 days ago) @ Mexalberta

Just rsaw photos
Laguna and Kopados are gone


So the generals is completely gone then?

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by Mexalberta @, Saturday, April 15, 2017, 23:02 (243 days ago) @ midalake

I was wondering the same thing
Will find out in the am

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 04:38 (243 days ago) @ midalake

https://denunciasacapulco.ml/acapulco/narcos-incendian-8-bares-en-zihuatanejo-en-sabado-gloria/

-La Malquerida, Kopados, Boutique Too Late, Bar Arenas have partial damage

- Bar Beachcombers and Generals have reported minor damage

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by Greg in Rocky Mountain House, Alberta, Canada, Saturday, April 15, 2017, 21:56 (243 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

This is all very disturbing. 30 years of visiting I and have never seen anything like this. As far as the mess on the beach goes, maybe they need to not clean the beach one day and see how many of the pigs (sorry can't think of another word to use) would visit the next day. Unbelievable. Change will be slow. Environmental care needs to be taught in the schools starting at a very young age. Very sad.

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by victorio, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 00:04 (243 days ago) @ Greg in Rocky Mountain House

Hola
I am agreeing with you on this one. Let the mess build up. See how they like it. Lets see what happens to their blue star rating. Why do people have to be such pigs in their own country?

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by rojo, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 08:15 (243 days ago) @ victorio

If the bars were properly constructed concrete structures and confined their music or noise inside the premises, they wouldn't be so easy to burn. These cheaply constructed noisey joints are nothing more than a blight on the decent tourism facilities in the area.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 08:20 (243 days ago) @ rojo

On the one hand I feel sorry for the folks who have lost their source of income but, on the other hand, I suspect the local residents will sleep more soundly.

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by Mexalberta @, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 13:01 (243 days ago) @ frostbite

Silly statement.
Lets go out shooting cattle because feedlots stink
Perhaps Montana would be a better place for you to live as well.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 14:53 (243 days ago) @ Mexalberta

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by Mexalberta @, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 16:13 (243 days ago) @ frostbite

I detected some NIMBY in your statement.
It is not Zihua with bars blaring in residential areas in Centro
The clubs destroyed were not in a residential area.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 17:26 (243 days ago) @ Mexalberta

I detected some NIMBY in your statement.
It is not Zihua with bars blaring in residential areas in Centro
The clubs destroyed were not in a residential area.

I feel bad for the folks affected. Nothing more, nothing less. We don't frequent Ixtapa, so I was unaware that there are no residences nearby. Would I like less noise where we are? Of course, but that's another matter, entirely.

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by Mexalberta @, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 18:44 (242 days ago) @ frostbite

I appogize for my comment. I knew you were not informed.
Don't shoot the cows. I am sitting outside now at home and the air is full of the smell of money.

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by Mexalberta @, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 12:59 (243 days ago) @ rojo

Are you sure you are not The Donald. SIlly statement!

Beach mess

by midalake @, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 11:00 (243 days ago) @ Greg in Rocky Mountain House

Quite common for many years. Someone got the pictures in before the beach cleaners. What is too bad is what the nights high tide took to the ocean.

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Beach mess

by Charlybby, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 14:56 (243 days ago) @ midalake

Exactly!!!!

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by dhunsber @, ¡Dondequiera que voy, estoy aquí!, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 11:18 (243 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Wasn't La Malkerida the bar where last week a disgruntled patron killed two employees? Perhaps he returned to reiterate his disgruntlement.

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by Canada1 @, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 11:24 (243 days ago) @ dhunsber

Wasn't La Malkerida the bar where last week a disgruntled patron killed two employees? Perhaps he returned to reiterate his disgruntlement.

My immediate Thoughts!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, April 16, 2017, 19:22 (242 days ago) @ Canada1

Wasn't La Malkerida the bar where last week a disgruntled patron killed two employees? Perhaps he returned to reiterate his disgruntlement.


My immediate Thoughts!

That was my first reaction, too. But since it's been my experience here too often that appearances are deceiving, I can't discount another version of events claiming it was vengeance by people sympathetic to victims of last week's incident.

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by Canada1 @, Monday, April 17, 2017, 08:35 (242 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Wasn't La Malkerida the bar where last week a disgruntled patron killed two employees? Perhaps he returned to reiterate his disgruntlement.


My immediate Thoughts!


That was my first reaction, too. But since it's been my experience here too often that appearances are deceiving, I can't discount another version of events claiming it was vengeance by people sympathetic to victims of last week's incident.

I think it is one of the 2, too big of a coincidence to be an accident.

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by ixtapa96 @, Monday, April 17, 2017, 12:18 (242 days ago) @ Canada1

You are such a modern day Sherlock Holmes. Great analysis!!

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by Canada1 @, Monday, April 17, 2017, 18:39 (241 days ago) @ ixtapa96

You are such a modern day Sherlock Holmes. Great analysis!!

A retired Saturday night live comic I Presume! And your input Is?

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by Pelicano, Monday, April 17, 2017, 10:06 (242 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I interviewed Smokey many years ago, class act, in more ways than one:jam: ...

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by Mexalberta @, Monday, April 17, 2017, 19:09 (241 days ago) @ Pelicano

Sounds like someone that liked Don Rickles who also wasn't funny.