Trash and Lack of Facilities

by RC, Monday, April 17, 2017, 08:56 (241 days ago)

My wife and I have been coming to Zihuatanejo since 1978, married here in '82 and have owned a place above La Ropa for the last 20 years. We have seen steady changes in all those years but the most significant was when the highway was built getting people here from the interior in 3-4 hours as opposed to 13-14. Then came the tour buses steadily increasing in numbers over the years arriving in the morning with their loads of people and leaving in the evening. NO bathroom facilities and no trash receptacles on the beach. So, people doing their "business" in the water and leaving trash strewn on the beach. Of course, no municipal oversight. Inferior to no sewage treatment, spotty municipal trash pickup. A revolving door of continuing problems with no real solutions. Poverty, lack of education, greed and corruption as the main culprits. No different here in the US. Maybe, just maybe some municipal guru could come up with a suggestion to charge the tour bus operators a fee for each bus load coming in with the money ultimately used to construct bathroom facilities or to buy trash receptacles with regular pickup. Just dreaming!

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by Linda from Canada @, Zihua and Grand Marais, Manitoba, Monday, April 17, 2017, 12:13 (241 days ago) @ RC

Just a tidbit of info: Seven years ago, many of us here in La Ropa met with the "colonia" and city officials. We residents all chipped in for the purchase of approximately 12-15 garbage receptacles to be placed at intervals along the beach. They were, and the city promised to look after emptying them; I believe they committed to twice a day during high vacation times. About a month later I noticed the garbage receptables were all gone and I asked the president of the colonia at that time what had happened to them. I was told the restaurant owners on the beach didn't want them.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, April 17, 2017, 12:31 (241 days ago) @ Linda from Canada

Just a tidbit of info: Seven years ago, many of us here in La Ropa met with the "colonia" and city officials. We residents all chipped in for the purchase of approximately 12-15 garbage receptacles to be placed at intervals along the beach. They were, and the city promised to look after emptying them; I believe they committed to twice a day during high vacation times. About a month later I noticed the garbage receptables were all gone and I asked the president of the colonia at that time what had happened to them. I was told the restaurant owners on the beach didn't want them.

You were told by whom? Did you confirm that with the restaurant owners? I suspect what the restaurant owners didn't want were unsightly overflowing garbage containers in the zona federal that they were paying for.

Over 20 years ago a local civic organization also put garbage cans on La Ropa Beach. They were always overflowing with garbage and rarely emptied. History provides valuable lessons to learn from.

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by Sandy feet @, Monday, April 17, 2017, 12:41 (241 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Perhaps the vendors that have stands along the beach could sell single garbage bags along with their beach goodies.

Or .... the powers at be could provide them to the vendors at no charge.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, April 17, 2017, 13:15 (241 days ago) @ Sandy feet

Perhaps the vendors that have stands along the beach could sell single garbage bags along with their beach goodies.

Or .... the powers at be could provide them to the vendors at no charge.

Or perhaps the people who distribute our taxes in the form of budgets for useless and dumb things like harassing people with pets or certifying beaches as "playas limpias" could instead simply IMPOSE FINES ON INFRACTORS FOR LITTERING.

Selling garbage bags to folks who believe they have a right to litter just doesn't sound practical to me. When people disposed to littering see the folks next to them fined 500 pesos for littering I bet they'll hurry to pick up their own trash quicker than you can say "Zachariah Babuluchi".

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Monday, April 17, 2017, 13:39 (241 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
edited by jaui, Monday, April 17, 2017, 13:53

:megusta:

Great and NECESSARY recommendation, about the fines.

I would add not only on the topic discussed, but in many other areas that are problematic, such as noisy bars exceeding the db level, among other violations of the Bando de Policía y "Buen" Gobierno.

Though in current reality, as far as the noisy boom boom boom bam bam bam thump thump thump noisy bars, as long as there is a local government, as there is now with García, in cahoots and partners with the mafia / cartel local alcohol industry, such regulations and fines won't ever be applied.

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by Charlybby, Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 00:10 (240 days ago) @ jaui

:megusta:

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by Sandy feet @, Monday, April 17, 2017, 13:51 (241 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Fined!
Who will pay it?
Unless it's an immediate payment, good luck collecting on the fine.

Every night for six months a year, I'm on my street picking up garbage. It's on the sidewalks, placed on cars, put in flowerbeds and of course on the street. It's horrible and I do my best while I'm at my home in Zihuatanejo.

We all have hopes that the younger generation will have greater respect for their surroundings, but the adults around them set the example.

Perhaps if more people see others buying/bringing large garbage bags and collecting litter, whether their own or other's, they will follow suit.

Those concerned can indeed set a good example.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Monday, April 17, 2017, 13:58 (241 days ago) @ Sandy feet

:megusta:

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, April 17, 2017, 14:00 (240 days ago) @ Sandy feet

Fined!
Who will pay it?
Unless it's an immediate payment, good luck collecting on the fine.

Every night for six months a year, I'm on my street picking up garbage. It's on the sidewalks, placed on cars, put in flowerbeds and of course on the street. It's horrible and I do my best while I'm at my home in Zihuatanejo.

We all have hopes that the younger generation will have greater respect for their surroundings, but the adults around them set the example.

Perhaps if more people see others buying/bringing large garbage bags and collecting litter, whether their own or other's, they will follow suit.

Those concerned can indeed set a good example.

Immediate payment or forfeit their driver's license or a day in jail. Easy peasy. The money will appear. Isn't that how it's done where you live?

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by Sandy feet @, Monday, April 17, 2017, 14:03 (240 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Yep, immediate payment is the only way or suffer the consequences.

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by rojo, Monday, April 17, 2017, 14:18 (240 days ago) @ Sandy feet

I think that fining the people 500 Pesos is ridiculous ( A weeks pay for many of these people). The fault is the lack of education regarding littering and contaminating the areas, but the real blame is mostly the local authorities who seem to lack any real responsibility in protecting our environment. Can't the local authorities at least try and protect our tourist selling point of a small clean place to spend a few days vacation. It really wouldn't cost that much to put washroom facilities and garbage bins in specific places

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Monday, April 17, 2017, 14:23 (240 days ago) @ rojo

I would suspect that the maintaining of them is way more than the initial cost.

Keith

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by Charlybby, Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 00:12 (240 days ago) @ Sandy feet

Hate to say it ...but:megusta:

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by Charlybby, Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 00:09 (240 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

All fall & most of the winter, "Tarzan"cleans all the time & the local vendors picked up every afternoon around 4:00. Very very bad during Semana Santa with the chilangas leaving their shit everywhere!!! So angry, but we also need mas baseros!!

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by Linda from Canada @, Zihua and Grand Marais, Manitoba, Monday, April 17, 2017, 14:51 (240 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Well Francisco was the president of the colonia at that time. It was under his agenda that we were asked to donate and he is the person that I checked with when the garbage containers disappeared from the beach. I'm sure the restaurant owners would not want overflowing garbage anywhere near their places...sure don't blame them for that!

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by Linda from Canada @, Zihua and Grand Marais, Manitoba, Monday, April 17, 2017, 14:55 (240 days ago) @ Linda from Canada

And on a more positive note: I just got back (Monday, almost 3pm) from a lovely stroll down the length of La Ropa (twice). Of course it is nowhere as crowded as it has been for a few days, but it is still a very well attended beach. Lots of families all playing in the sand or water, eating, visiting, parasailing, and doing other normal things to be doing on a beach. It is pretty quiet- no booming music, but the occasional lower volume music as I strolled by. The beach is pretty clean- I saw (and picked up) a total of 3 plastic drink cups. I also saw 3 other individual Mexican ladies strolling the beach and picking up stuff...a chip bag, a piece of limon, a small piece of wood, a stray piece of rope, etc. As well, I saw 2 different people with dogs on leashes. What I saw, at this moment, was a very pleasant scene on a lovely beach with lots of folks enjoying the day and family time. Very nice.B-)

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by juanrojo @, Monday, April 17, 2017, 16:04 (240 days ago) @ Linda from Canada

On La Ropa beach there are three sets of garbage and recycling receptacles for three sorted types of waste.

One set is by the bridge to the El Manglar.

One set is near the municipal blue umbrella seating area

One set is near the restaurant/market area at the south end of Villa Mexicana

This winter's we saw that the cans were quite well maintained and emptied quite often, not perfectly by any means but quite often. I did see an inspector check and replace a bag, midday, heading into a long weekend. I'm not sure who routinely empties the containers. Again not perfectly done but done through high season including Navidad pretty well. I don't know if the sorted bags all end up in the regular garbage but at least this material does not get into the ocean.

Aluminum cans

There are many can collectors that are happy to recycle aluminum cans for scrap value. I will not get into the glass versus plastic arguments that I have read strong opinions about and instead come out strongly in favour of products in aluminum cans which are very efficiently removed at no cost. I can tell you that many cans still make it into the ocean with all the plastic even with a scrap market but it's the best option so far.

We have watched a young girl, Iris, grow into a young lady doing this recycling work and there is a man who accepts cans and ALL GARBAGE near the municipal blue umbrella seating area. He very rarely includes a request for a tip but lives mostly from this service it would appear. I saw many national tourists use his service and tip him at times without being asked and we visitors might look for him as we pass by. There are unofficial parking attendants and water taxi helpers out there seeking a tip for UNWANTED services so consider this thin , 40 year old guy, who provides a very useful service and rarely asks for money.

Of course education has to be the priority and proper facilities that are serviced regularly as well.

Some of the trash on La Ropa is being dealt with properly and obviously a lot more could be done very easily but at least someone made a start.

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by Linda from Canada @, Zihua and Grand Marais, Manitoba, Monday, April 17, 2017, 18:14 (240 days ago) @ juanrojo

And Miguel is doing a great job!

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Monday, April 17, 2017, 19:12 (240 days ago) @ juanrojo

Good to hear that at least SOME of the trash is being taken care of. Coming back from Las Gatas recently, one of those useless wonders was actually demanding a 5 Dollar tip!

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Semana de Pascua (Week 2)

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, April 17, 2017, 19:06 (240 days ago) @ Linda from Canada

The week of Semana Santa typically always draws one type of crowd who seems to arrive en masse and spend very little money while leaving enormous amounts of garbage behind, while the week of Semana de Pascua typically sees less crowds but a higher caliber tourist in terms of education and spending power. The contrast between the two can be quite stark.

I would like to take a moment to state that although we get a lot of families who seem to bring everything with them including 3 generations of relatives and everything they plan to consume, older locals who understand our tourism know that many of these people make great sacrifices to come here, often hocking their meager family jewelry and even their TVs to afford a day or 3 with their family at the beach. Many are single parents, and most all of these families go to great lengths to make sure their kids have the best times, buying them beach toys and other paraphernalia they won't use for another year or two, if ever again. These humble families are the heart and soul of Mexico, and we'd do well to be as welcoming and accommodating to them as we can, to share our paradise and to appreciate the love in their family bonds. They are the proverbial salt of the earth.
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Semana de Pascua (Week 2)

by katherine @, Monday, April 17, 2017, 19:24 (240 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:

Semana de Pascua (Week 2)

by RC, Monday, April 17, 2017, 19:45 (240 days ago) @ katherine

I started this post and I agree most heartedly with Rob's comments. EVERYONE, from whatever walk of life, has the right to enjoy the beach and vacation with their families. Again, it all boils down to lack of facilities and ignorance. I think that we all agree that something needs to be done. We are hogtied!

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Not Miguel

by juanrojo @, Monday, April 17, 2017, 20:23 (240 days ago) @ RC

Miguel is a great fellow that I admire and he does a great job on La Ropa but he would never ask anybody for a tip at all but he sure deserves one.

I should have been more specific in describing another guy who more clearly needs any tips given and performs a useful service in trying to, "earn" some money or cans. I don't know his name but he is usually servicing the area around the municipal seating area.

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Not Miguel

by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Monday, April 17, 2017, 21:07 (240 days ago) @ juanrojo

Where exactly is the "municipal seating area"? We walk along La Ropa for lunch at El Manglar a couple of times during our visit, but we've never noticed that gentleman. We'd like to help out next time we come down.

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municipal seating

by juanrojo @, Monday, April 17, 2017, 22:41 (240 days ago) @ frostbite

I hope I'm correct in saying that the seating area just south of La Perla is run by the city. You can rent the tables and loungers and umbrellas for a certain price for each piece. I believe we paid 120 pesos for two loungers and an umbrella. There are entrepeneurs who sometimes supply food and drink to this area on busier days but you can also just rent the shade and seating and bring your own food and drink without worrying about, "sneaking", any supplies in. The area seemed to be mostly used by nationals but we sat there many times under the dark blue umbrellas.

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