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by Altona Stu @, Friday, May 19, 2017, 09:06 (92 days ago)

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 19, 2017, 09:50 (92 days ago) @ Altona Stu

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/18/politics/tillerson-mexico-drug-trade/index.html

A promising admission after decades of denial. But his solution to "reducing the demand" is where things start getting tricky. I believe countries like Portugal are on the right track. But if the Republicans continue with policies that attack the support services designed to help lift people up from poverty and care for them when they are unable to care for themselves then they will only increase the price of the stupidly banned substances while creating more impoverished and psychologically weak and depressed people who will continue seeking escape from their intolerable reality in substances from inhalants and alcohol to heroin. Education and opportunities for economic mobility are the keys to licking this social and health problem.

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by PattyNJ/Zihua @, Friday, May 19, 2017, 17:43 (92 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Who are these impoverished people Rob...could it be the mass amounts of illegal immigrants aloud into the country.Perhaps watching our borders more...the way Mexico does would improve the need for these drugs and therefore alleviate the problem. I don't think this is Americas problem alone. I know you like to blame America for all Mexico's problems but lets get real.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 19, 2017, 18:09 (92 days ago) @ PattyNJ/Zihua

Who are these impoverished people Rob...could it be the mass amounts of illegal immigrants aloud into the country.Perhaps watching our borders more...the way Mexico does would improve the need for these drugs and therefore alleviate the problem. I don't think this is Americas problem alone. I know you like to blame America for all Mexico's problems but lets get real.

Let's get real? The people most strung out on heroin are mostly yer average run of the mill white trash. Not "Afro-Americans", not "illegals".

But you go ahead and spend a gazillion dollars building walls instead of schools and infrastructure and watch the borders real close and let me know if you catch any bad hombres.

BTW, America is everything from Tierra del Fuego to the Northern Territories. Let's get real!

www.usaisnotamerica.com
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by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas, Friday, May 19, 2017, 18:33 (92 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

The last news I saw on the heroin epidemic was white middle and upper U.S. folks, not "trash". Just an observation, not looking for a lame.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 19, 2017, 19:17 (92 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

The last news I saw on the heroin epidemic was white middle and upper U.S. folks, not "trash". Just an observation, not looking for a lame.

Then so much for education and economic mobility being a solution. We're all screwed!

Heroin Epidemic Expands Its Grip on America

P.S. I disagree with the article's conclusion that reducing supply reduces demand. People who want to get whacked out are always going to find a substance to abuse.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Saturday, May 20, 2017, 09:10 (91 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

"Black and white Americans consume drugs at mostly the same rate, but the decades of the “Negro Cocaine Fiend” and the War on Drugs have tipped the judicial scales in favor of white Americans for decades. However, the drug-related problems facing white Americans are no less serious; even so, the nature of those problems has changed the tone of the public conversation about drugs. For a new generation of Americans – most of them white – the problem started with painkillers. Specifically, the problem started with one pharmaceutical company called Purdue Pharma.

In 1995, the Food & Drug Administration approved OxyContin, a product manufactured by Purdue Pharma, for sale and promotion in the United States. A painkiller that promised to alleviate pain symptoms for 12 hours at a time, the distribution of OxyContin spread like wildfire. In 1996, Purdue Pharma made $45 million in OxyContin sales; in 2000, revenue topped $1.1 billion; and in 2010, the same year that OxyContin accounted for 30 percent of all painkillers sold in the United States, Purdue Pharma made $3.1 billion.

OxyContin was unstoppable, and lots of people in the medical profession wanted a share of the profits. Purdue Pharma aggressively courted doctors, offering them lucrative speaking engagements and lavish gifts if they prescribed OxyContin – a powerful and addictive medication – to patients who didn’t need the full brunt of its opioid effects. Between 1997 and 2002, prescriptions increased by 10 times; the dosage per pill went up from 80 mg to 160 mg."

For a more in-depth education on the issue.........

Race and Addiction

Keith

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by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas, Saturday, May 20, 2017, 14:00 (91 days ago) @ Labrat

In the late 90s my wife had a lot of pain from various problems. Her Dr said, "You don't have to be in pain. The medical profession says no patient has to be in pain. I'll write you a prescription for Oxy". And therein started a long history of drug use for her. Oxy was prescribed like candy-up to six a day with 90 day prescriptions with 3 refills. This went on until a couple of years ago when the powers that be decided enough is enough. Today all Drs except Pain Management Specialists are limited to prescribing a 7 da supply with no refills. This new specialty, Pain Management, seeks to find the cause of and treat actual pain and then attempts to treat the addiction. I'm not sure it works.

BTW, based on my recent experience every state has "assisted end of life". It is called Hospice who comes in when you have a terminal illness and feeds you painkillers to eliminate the pain (actually to "numb" you out of your mid). Dosages and products are added as addiction kicks in and the body demands more and more. My wife was getting 30mgmorphine every two hours. No end of life pain, just totally numbed out.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Sunday, May 21, 2017, 09:28 (90 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

My father did the stint with Oxy for a few years. It made him crazy.

As for the end of life Hospice? For eight months, they sent someone twice a week. One to sing to him. Another to Preach at him. Personally I think he got more "Care" from the Senor Driver that did his shopping and such. At least she actually did give a shit about him.

JMO


Keith

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by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas, Sunday, May 21, 2017, 11:56 (90 days ago) @ Labrat

My wife refused the singing and praying pat. She went from diagnosis to the end in 5 months. 3 months are home with many visits from Hospice nurse then into assisted living hen she could no receive the required care at home. Assisted living did a good job and Hospice nurse visited quite often and checked on pain and medications. The goal of Hospice at all times was "make the patient comfortable". No complaint against Hospice but the "system"would have done her (and everyone else including the taxpayer) to have followed her wishes "I am ready to meet my God, please help me"

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Sunday, May 21, 2017, 18:51 (90 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

Sorry Y'all went though that.

IMO we treat Pets better than we do people.

Keith

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by Charlybby, Monday, May 22, 2017, 02:32 (89 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

That's so sad & it happens everywhere now days. So sorry for you,too many family & friends have been thru the same thing. Just heartbreaking<3

Schools or prisons?

by lorenzo @, Friday, May 19, 2017, 21:04 (92 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Mark Twain once observed "We can either build schools or we can build prisons. It is our choice.

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by Mexalberta @, Friday, May 19, 2017, 21:50 (92 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I want a bumper sticker, t shirt, flag , sky writer etc

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by Charlybby, Saturday, May 20, 2017, 01:49 (92 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta: Well put Rob!!!

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by dhunsber @, ¡Dondequiera que voy, estoy aquí!, Saturday, May 20, 2017, 13:22 (91 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:
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by PattyNJ/Zihua @, Sunday, May 21, 2017, 18:30 (90 days ago) @ dhunsber

I guess after 18 years of going to Zi I should have know better then to post on here.
To clarify, I did not mention African Americans or heroin. I just meant if America and I can call the country I live in " America " were to manage our borders the way Mexico does, perhaps we wouldn't have so many illegal drugs entering the country. Heroin is not the only drug smuggled into our country from Mexico.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, May 21, 2017, 20:05 (90 days ago) @ PattyNJ/Zihua

I guess after 18 years of going to Zi I should have know better then to post on here.
To clarify, I did not mention African Americans or heroin. I just meant if America and I can call the country I live in " America " were to manage our borders the way Mexico does, perhaps we wouldn't have so many illegal drugs entering the country. Heroin is not the only drug smuggled into our country from Mexico.

Patty, with all due respect, there are simply too many prejudices displayed in your comments to waste time on trying to correct or educate you.

If the multi-billion dollar a year black market of stupidly banned substances weren't supplied by one country they would enter via another. Substance abuse and trafficking are two distinct problems. If folks can't buy good dope they'll buy bad dope, and the result will be much worse than what you already have. The USA's DEA made Mexico the main point of entry, but it's not the only one. Mexico's a poor country and we're happy to take your money, but we both should legalize and regulate the market and deal with substance abuse separately as a health issue instead of stupidly locking up thousands of people a year just to make scumbags like Mike Pence wealthier from their investments in private prisons.

Mexico's southern border, especially the Usumacinta and Suchiati rivers, is wide open. No problem at all to cross without documents of any kind. This is what tolerance looks like. We're mostly okay with it here in Mexico.

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by HolyMole @, Sunday, May 21, 2017, 23:09 (90 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

......Mexico's a poor country and we're happy to take your money, but we both should legalize and regulate the market and deal with substance abuse separately as a health issue instead of stupidly locking up thousands of people a year just to make scumbags like Mike Pence wealthier from their investments in private prisons.

Hey, be careful what you say about Pence. He's very likely to be President in a few months. That's the only downside of getting rid of Trump.

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by Charlybby, Monday, May 22, 2017, 02:26 (90 days ago) @ HolyMole

Omg!! That's a scary thought!! If the lawyers & judges didn't have a cocaine problem themselves, which many in Canada do, it wouldn't be such an illegal issue! Just like drinking & driving was back in the 70/80s up here. Also the cops back then! I really believe the "war on drugs" needs to stop! Thats a huge issue & problem. Maybe we could get rid of the gangs & cartels"?!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, May 22, 2017, 08:55 (89 days ago) @ Charlybby

Omg!! That's a scary thought!! If the lawyers & judges didn't have a cocaine problem themselves, which many in Canada do, it wouldn't be such an illegal issue! Just like drinking & driving was back in the 70/80s up here. Also the cops back then! I really believe the "war on drugs" needs to stop! Thats a huge issue & problem. Maybe we could get rid of the gangs & cartels"?!

I'm pretty sure legalizing everything wouldn't get rid of the organized criminals, but it would take a major bite out of their resources and help level the playing field so our police forces would have a better chance to get a handle on reestablishing law and order. Currently the cartels have billions more dollars to spend than any government entity, and like politicians they also know how to take advantage of and manipulate impoverished and poorly educated youths.

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by gemini67, Sunday, May 21, 2017, 20:57 (90 days ago) @ PattyNJ/Zihua

Patty,just in case you didnt realize it you live in the USA,just a part of the AMERICAS,,,,,,,,.May the next fat governor be with you, SANDY SANDY ,I hear a Bruce song coming on :jam:

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Monday, May 22, 2017, 08:58 (89 days ago) @ Altona Stu

Well this thread certainly turned into a Grenade thrown into a shit factory.

It hit every wall, and is still dripping.

Keith

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by Ottawa Joe, Monday, May 22, 2017, 20:13 (89 days ago) @ Altona Stu

Poppies are such a beautiful flower and benign looking growing in a rainbow of colours. One would never suspect from seeing them growing in a field what could be produced and what a devastating effect it can have. Here we have the added problem of dealers mixing Fentinol imported from China with the heroin which has proven to be a deadly cocktail.

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by gemini67, Monday, May 22, 2017, 20:55 (89 days ago) @ Ottawa Joe

hey stu, what about dandilions?:smoking:

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by Altona Stu @, Monday, May 22, 2017, 22:36 (89 days ago) @ gemini67

They're yellow? Bees love them? Why are you asking me about dandelions?