Breaking news...Tillerson agrees with ZihuaRob.

by Altona Stu @, Friday, May 19, 2017, 09:06 (368 days ago)

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Breaking news...Tillerson agrees with ZihuaRob.

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 19, 2017, 09:50 (368 days ago) @ Altona Stu

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/18/politics/tillerson-mexico-drug-trade/index.html

A promising admission after decades of denial. But his solution to "reducing the demand" is where things start getting tricky. I believe countries like Portugal are on the right track. But if the Republicans continue with policies that attack the support services designed to help lift people up from poverty and care for them when they are unable to care for themselves then they will only increase the price of the stupidly banned substances while creating more impoverished and psychologically weak and depressed people who will continue seeking escape from their intolerable reality in substances from inhalants and alcohol to heroin. Education and opportunities for economic mobility are the keys to licking this social and health problem.

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by PattyNJ/Zihua, Friday, May 19, 2017, 17:43 (368 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Who are these impoverished people Rob...could it be the mass amounts of illegal immigrants aloud into the country.Perhaps watching our borders more...the way Mexico does would improve the need for these drugs and therefore alleviate the problem. I don't think this is Americas problem alone. I know you like to blame America for all Mexico's problems but lets get real.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 19, 2017, 18:09 (368 days ago) @ PattyNJ/Zihua

Who are these impoverished people Rob...could it be the mass amounts of illegal immigrants aloud into the country.Perhaps watching our borders more...the way Mexico does would improve the need for these drugs and therefore alleviate the problem. I don't think this is Americas problem alone. I know you like to blame America for all Mexico's problems but lets get real.

Let's get real? The people most strung out on heroin are mostly yer average run of the mill white trash. Not "Afro-Americans", not "illegals".

But you go ahead and spend a gazillion dollars building walls instead of schools and infrastructure and watch the borders real close and let me know if you catch any bad hombres.

BTW, America is everything from Tierra del Fuego to the Northern Territories. Let's get real!

www.usaisnotamerica.com
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by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Friday, May 19, 2017, 18:33 (368 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

The last news I saw on the heroin epidemic was white middle and upper U.S. folks, not "trash". Just an observation, not looking for a lame.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, May 19, 2017, 19:17 (368 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

The last news I saw on the heroin epidemic was white middle and upper U.S. folks, not "trash". Just an observation, not looking for a lame.

Then so much for education and economic mobility being a solution. We're all screwed!

Heroin Epidemic Expands Its Grip on America

P.S. I disagree with the article's conclusion that reducing supply reduces demand. People who want to get whacked out are always going to find a substance to abuse.

Schools or prisons?

by lorenzo @, Friday, May 19, 2017, 21:04 (368 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Mark Twain once observed "We can either build schools or we can build prisons. It is our choice.

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by Mexalberta @, Friday, May 19, 2017, 21:50 (367 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I want a bumper sticker, t shirt, flag , sky writer etc

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by Charlybby, Saturday, May 20, 2017, 01:49 (367 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta: Well put Rob!!!

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by dhunsber @, ¡Dondequiera que voy, estoy aquí!, Saturday, May 20, 2017, 13:22 (367 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:
:vivamexico:

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by PattyNJ/Zihua, Sunday, May 21, 2017, 18:30 (366 days ago) @ dhunsber

I guess after 18 years of going to Zi I should have know better then to post on here.
To clarify, I did not mention African Americans or heroin. I just meant if America and I can call the country I live in " America " were to manage our borders the way Mexico does, perhaps we wouldn't have so many illegal drugs entering the country. Heroin is not the only drug smuggled into our country from Mexico.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, May 21, 2017, 20:05 (366 days ago) @ PattyNJ/Zihua

I guess after 18 years of going to Zi I should have know better then to post on here.
To clarify, I did not mention African Americans or heroin. I just meant if America and I can call the country I live in " America " were to manage our borders the way Mexico does, perhaps we wouldn't have so many illegal drugs entering the country. Heroin is not the only drug smuggled into our country from Mexico.

Patty, with all due respect, there are simply too many prejudices displayed in your comments to waste time on trying to correct or educate you.

If the multi-billion dollar a year black market of stupidly banned substances weren't supplied by one country they would enter via another. Substance abuse and trafficking are two distinct problems. If folks can't buy good dope they'll buy bad dope, and the result will be much worse than what you already have. The USA's DEA made Mexico the main point of entry, but it's not the only one. Mexico's a poor country and we're happy to take your money, but we both should legalize and regulate the market and deal with substance abuse separately as a health issue instead of stupidly locking up thousands of people a year just to make scumbags like Mike Pence wealthier from their investments in private prisons.

Mexico's southern border, especially the Usumacinta and Suchiati rivers, is wide open. No problem at all to cross without documents of any kind. This is what tolerance looks like. We're mostly okay with it here in Mexico.

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by HolyMole @, Sunday, May 21, 2017, 23:09 (365 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

......Mexico's a poor country and we're happy to take your money, but we both should legalize and regulate the market and deal with substance abuse separately as a health issue instead of stupidly locking up thousands of people a year just to make scumbags like Mike Pence wealthier from their investments in private prisons.

Hey, be careful what you say about Pence. He's very likely to be President in a few months. That's the only downside of getting rid of Trump.

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by Charlybby, Monday, May 22, 2017, 02:26 (365 days ago) @ HolyMole

Omg!! That's a scary thought!! If the lawyers & judges didn't have a cocaine problem themselves, which many in Canada do, it wouldn't be such an illegal issue! Just like drinking & driving was back in the 70/80s up here. Also the cops back then! I really believe the "war on drugs" needs to stop! Thats a huge issue & problem. Maybe we could get rid of the gangs & cartels"?!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, May 22, 2017, 08:55 (365 days ago) @ Charlybby

Omg!! That's a scary thought!! If the lawyers & judges didn't have a cocaine problem themselves, which many in Canada do, it wouldn't be such an illegal issue! Just like drinking & driving was back in the 70/80s up here. Also the cops back then! I really believe the "war on drugs" needs to stop! Thats a huge issue & problem. Maybe we could get rid of the gangs & cartels"?!

I'm pretty sure legalizing everything wouldn't get rid of the organized criminals, but it would take a major bite out of their resources and help level the playing field so our police forces would have a better chance to get a handle on reestablishing law and order. Currently the cartels have billions more dollars to spend than any government entity, and like politicians they also know how to take advantage of and manipulate impoverished and poorly educated youths.

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by gemini67, Sunday, May 21, 2017, 20:57 (366 days ago) @ PattyNJ/Zihua

Patty,just in case you didnt realize it you live in the USA,just a part of the AMERICAS,,,,,,,,.May the next fat governor be with you, SANDY SANDY ,I hear a Bruce song coming on :jam:

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by Ottawa Joe, Monday, May 22, 2017, 20:13 (365 days ago) @ Altona Stu

Poppies are such a beautiful flower and benign looking growing in a rainbow of colours. One would never suspect from seeing them growing in a field what could be produced and what a devastating effect it can have. Here we have the added problem of dealers mixing Fentinol imported from China with the heroin which has proven to be a deadly cocktail.

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by gemini67, Monday, May 22, 2017, 20:55 (365 days ago) @ Ottawa Joe

hey stu, what about dandilions?:smoking:

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by Altona Stu @, Monday, May 22, 2017, 22:36 (364 days ago) @ gemini67

They're yellow? Bees love them? Why are you asking me about dandelions?