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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, June 16, 2017, 18:15 (67 days ago)

Local residents and businesses at La Ropa have apparently finally gotten the municipal government to agree that tour buses should not be allowed at La Ropa, that their passengers are welcome but the roads are too small for the buses, there's no place for them to really park (and we don't want to destroy more vegetation to build them a parking place) and their weight deteriorates the roads too quickly as well as being noisy with their motors running all day. But apparently a lot of locals who don't live at La Ropa feel quite differently, and I perceive a bit of animosity about the residents and businesses trying to keep La Ropa nice for our more affluent tourists. My mother and I lived at La Ropa. I left there 27 years ago but she left many years later. Nevertheless both of us back then suffered quite a bit from the noise and pollution and other inconveniences caused by the big tour buses and their passengers. I recall many times trying to spend a quiet day at home or being home sick while having a tour bus with its motor running and its fumes wafting in our home all day. It was a big reason why my mother eventually moved to Ixtapa all those years ago.

Personally I think banning tour buses from driving there is a smart move for a lot of reasons. As far as I know in most any other residential area that is also a tourist destination buses drop you off at a bus terminal and you walk or take public transportation to your final destination, whether it's a hotel or a public plaza or some other attraction.

How do you all feel about this issue? Are the residents and business owners making a big ado about nothing, or do you think your stay at La Ropa will be improved by the absence of all the tour buses?

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by moonbird1 @, Friday, June 16, 2017, 20:19 (67 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Common sense at last!! that's good news.Thanks for the update Rob.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Friday, June 16, 2017, 20:20 (67 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Sounds reasonable.

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by katherine @, Friday, June 16, 2017, 20:36 (67 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

This is good news, as far as I am concerned.

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by Susan G @, Zihua/La Ropa, Friday, June 16, 2017, 21:12 (67 days ago) @ katherine

Good news for the environment -- not only do the multiple tour buses bring tourists who do not pick up their beach garbage, but they seem not to love the jolla or corona de Zihua (playa la ropa). The bus tourists bring their own food, thereby not supporting the beach restaurants, and they do not pick up after their messes.

The jewel of Zihua is La Ropa y Las Gatas. Please, let's try to keep their jewel status.

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by Sandy feet @, Saturday, June 17, 2017, 00:22 (66 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I agree. It's a nightmare when the busses are there. Same problems out at Barra de Potosi.

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by Commander Barrett, Saturday, June 17, 2017, 10:11 (66 days ago) @ Sandy feet

Common sense at last prevailed.
:megusta:

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by Mike from SF @, Saturday, June 17, 2017, 10:51 (66 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I made my comment on Facebook.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, June 17, 2017, 11:04 (66 days ago) @ Mike from SF

I made my comment on Facebook.

Many of my readers don't use Facebook in case you would like to repeat your comment here. I certainly wouldn't mind. ;-)

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Saturday, June 17, 2017, 11:04 (66 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I don't see a reason the the Tour Bus(es) could not drop them off at the beach, and go idle elsewhere until its time to return and pick them up.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, June 17, 2017, 11:16 (66 days ago) @ Labrat

I don't see a reason the the Tour Bus(es) could not drop them off at the beach, and go idle elsewhere until its time to return and pick them up.

Keith

Locals claim the road to La Ropa is too small for buses, that they are damaging the roads, that they are noisy, that they pollute, and that they cause traffic problems. I agree. If you go to Acapulco, Taxco, Cuernavaca, Pátzcuaro or many other tourist destinations the tour buses go to the bus station and from there you have to take public transportation to get to the main attraction, whether it be a plaza, museum or beach. La Ropa is a residential and hotel area and the buses negatively affect residents and vacationers. If you drive to La Ropa during high season it is a traffic nightmare where the buses make things much worse. it's a shame it took the city over 25 years to figure this out. I noticed the problem the first season after the road was paved.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Saturday, June 17, 2017, 11:40 (66 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I don't know. Is that really a fair comparison?

I Googled it, and it looks like Terminal Centro in Acapulco is a 300-400 meter walk from the main beach.

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by Pam & Denny @, Sunday, June 18, 2017, 13:07 (65 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

AGREE! AGREE! AGREE!

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by B&S @, Sunday, June 18, 2017, 13:22 (65 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Keeping these busses out is great if it happens. Now I am starting to visualize 5,000 visitors dragging their ice chests back and forth through the la Ropa road. Or maybe a thousand or so small public transports hauling all those visitors through the area. This may not be an easy problem to fix.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa/Silver Strand Beach, California, Saturday, June 17, 2017, 11:53 (66 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

We live right on the main road along La Ropa near the dolphins.

The bus people do spend money on the beach, and regularly rent the tables, chairs and umbrellas that are made available by the city. We have been known to rent them too.

We generally enjoy watching many of them see and play in the ocean for the first time. It's a great opportunity to make the next generation more aware of the environment.

Aren't beaches in Mexico public, not private? If so, the attempt should be made to make the beach accessible in a way that causes as little damage to the area as possible.

The buses don't appear to damage the new, concrete road that runs from town to the dolphins. From there, the asphalt is in bad condition, possibly/probably due to the buses, but what about construction equipment and RV's?

We like several ideas. Continue to use the dirt lot behind La Ceiba Condos as long as it is available, but require the buses to turn off their engines and generators while parked.

Another thought is to provide the bus people with information about the La Ropa combis and taxi's and encourage them to use them, while keeping the buses in town.

Do even more with public education about why leaving trash on the beach is a bad idea, harming the marine life, and provide trash cans that get emptied.

Destroying wetlands for any reason is a bad idea. "Pave paradise, put up a parking lot."

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Saturday, June 17, 2017, 12:05 (66 days ago) @ Talley Ho

All very reasonable, but trying to change a culture to NOT drop their garbage everywhere, would take divine intervention.

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by JoAnna @, Colorado, Saturday, June 17, 2017, 13:45 (66 days ago) @ frostbite

Can't remember a time when I have ever agreed with Labrat! Hummmm!
Certainly not this time!

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by Charlybby, Sunday, June 18, 2017, 14:52 (65 days ago) @ Talley Ho

I must say, I agree with all your comments Rob & Talley ho! It was especially bad this past season. Busloads every single weekend from Halloween/Days of the dead until we left mid April. Then there was all the holidays. The buses filled the lot at the turn by Rossy's, then parked all along the road as well. Traffic nightmare! Spent more time @ Larga this year.

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by HolyMole @, Sunday, June 18, 2017, 15:57 (65 days ago) @ Charlybby

The noise and air pollution from idling tour buses certainly isn't restricted to the La Ropa or La Madera areas. They are a plague wherever they park. How many times we cursed the racket and fumes from tour buses parked near the Hotel Imelda in Centro - and we were staying a block away. Same story when we stayed over in Colonia Zapata: the buses block the streets, foul the air and create a terrific din with their constantly-running engines. I assume the same situation exists for anyone living within earshot of the buses parked along La Boquita or in that huge parking area between the bridge at Plaza Kyoto and the Bomberos station. Aside from banning them in areas where the streets are too narrow, a properly-enforced municipal bylaw should prohibit them running their engines at all times except when they are loading or unloading passengers. I know.....it's Mexico, and applying north-of-the-border logic is an ethnocentric exercise in futility.

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by Charlybby, Monday, June 19, 2017, 01:56 (64 days ago) @ HolyMole

:megusta:

Exhaust fumes?

by Pam & Denny @, Wednesday, June 21, 2017, 12:50 (62 days ago) @ HolyMole

Is this what is turning the bottom of my shoes black?

Exhaust fumes?

by HolyMole @, Wednesday, June 21, 2017, 14:45 (62 days ago) @ Pam & Denny

Is this what is turning the bottom of my shoes black?

Shoes? How about your lungs?
Walk around barefoot in your house and see what Zihua air does for the bottoms of your feet!
But I'd go back in a heartbeat.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa/Silver Strand Beach, California, Wednesday, June 21, 2017, 20:45 (62 days ago) @ HolyMole

Do return. I think the four of us have an outstanding date for drinks.....

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by DEBMN @, rosemount mn, Wednesday, June 21, 2017, 11:21 (62 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

We stay at the end of La Ropa, down where the buses park, and yes it is bad. The noise, the fumes all day long. One day there was 11 buses there. I don't mind the tourist, it would be nice if they cared about the environment a little more, but the buses are a nuisance.

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by jbmass ⌂ @, Mass,.. N.H...Zih., Thursday, June 22, 2017, 10:56 (61 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa/Silver Strand Beach, California, Thursday, June 22, 2017, 11:17 (61 days ago) @ jbmass

Be sure to read the comments at the end of the article, too. Some very good ones.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Thursday, June 22, 2017, 11:55 (61 days ago) @ jbmass

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa/Silver Strand Beach, California, Thursday, June 22, 2017, 13:41 (61 days ago) @ Labrat

:megusta:

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, June 22, 2017, 14:19 (61 days ago) @ Labrat

Is someone biting the hand that feeds? Which hand is doing the feeding? The one insisting on continuing to allow 50 buses a day to La Ropa or the one saying maybe La Ropa isn't the best place for 50 buses a day of people who bring all their foodstuffs with them. Because as a working resident I see Zihuatanejo becoming poorer as we receive poorer tourists. I see the tourists with money not wishing to be around when the massive amounts of tour buses arrive, just as they don't wish to come to town when cruise ships are in port. I see the hotels losing income and property values declining as we exchange more affluent and better educated tourists for less affluent and less educated tourists.

We were discussing the matter recently with shop owners located near the pier, where literally hundreds of tour bus passengers pass by each weekend. Their sales are down, too. They aren't seeing the benefit to their economy that all the tour agents and other opponents to the tour bus ban are claiming. Tour bus passengers try on and pose with their wares but don't buy them.

One day recently authorities actually stopped allowing people to Las Gatas because the beach and its restaurants were saturated. A recent study by university marine biologists allegedly confirmed what I already knew decades ago: the marine life at Las Gatas is all but entirely dead because so many people walk on the reef and take living creatures out of the water. Isla Ixtapa is suffering a similar fate.

So not only is the quality of life deteriorating for humans here, but also for our flora and fauna as we allow mass tourism to run rampant and out of control, even though our community was never designed to accommodate them. Ixtapa's shopping area literally looks like a war zone, with a casino in the middle of it, because there will always be slimebags who seek to profit from other people's vices. And too many of Ixtapa's chain hotels continue their all-included policies and lowering rates below what local lodging owners can charge because they can afford to lose money here to offset the taxes they pay from their profits elsewhere, same as the new movie theater complex that recently opened.

It always boggles the mind when there are two clear paths, one to prosperity and one to ruin, and we keep choosing the one to ruin.


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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Thursday, June 22, 2017, 14:38 (61 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Ooops. I think you missed the segue!

We were commenting on the buses not being allowed to pick up the guests departing the Hotel Irma in the linked article.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, June 22, 2017, 17:32 (61 days ago) @ Labrat

Ooops. I think you missed the segue!

We were commenting on the buses not being allowed to pick up the guests departing the Hotel Irma in the linked article.

Keith

Did I? I took your comment for some kind of admonition. Was that not your intent?

Perhaps you saw my responses among the newspaper's readers comments. At the risk of being repetitive, I commented that for a couple or so years now tour buses have been dropping off their passengers at La Boquita and Cinco de Mayo and they walk from those places to their hotels here in the old downtown area without any problem. I see this every weekend, and I hear no complaints from the families as they walk past our home hauling their luggage. Quite the contrary, they're excited to be here. Even Ixtapa is contemplating banning tour buses because there are simply too many and they are causing traffic problems as well as noise issues. It's a problem we all hope will be intelligently dealt with soon.

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by Charlybby, Thursday, June 22, 2017, 23:54 (60 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:

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by katherine @, Friday, June 23, 2017, 09:22 (60 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta: