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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 10:38 (31 days ago)

We had a great day on the water, yesterday. Signed up with Guillermo Arciniega on the Don William, as usual. Fished for several hours on the way to Isla Ixtapa, where the folks at El Indio cooked up some of our catch. We caught 14 Bonitas, 4 Jacks, 1 Mackerel, 1 Bonita head - the rest was stolen by a dolphin. Amazing how they know how much to bite off, without getting the hook. I also caught a Boobie (sp?), which we were able to unhook and turn loose. In addition, we were treated to a whale breaching.
For many years, I'd feed left-over tortillas to the fish in the surf at Playa Coral. They have now posted a sign forbidding feeding the fish. Any idea why?

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by OlsenMN, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 10:44 (31 days ago) @ frostbite


For many years, I'd feed left-over tortillas to the fish in the surf at Playa Coral. They have now posted a sign forbidding feeding the fish. Any idea why?

This is a quote from a diving site that sums up your question:
"Here we explain why we don’t feed the fish.

Just like humans, fish need the right type of food in their diets and it is essential that they eat important amino acids, of which they can only receive from their natural diet – not bread, or scraps of food that humans eat. Bread is particularly bad as it contains yeast and when eaten by fish, expands in their digestive system causing health problems. The most resilient fish may survive however others die or fall ill and are taken by predators.

Unnatural Behaiviour
Hand-feeding fish and other marine life promotes a behaviour called conditioning, where the animal learns to associate humans with food instead of being naturally cautious around humans. A fish’s natural diet is quite complicated and may be seasonal, daily, or temporal. When fish start to anticipate meal times with humans, it interferes with their natural feeding cycles and they are more vulnerable to predators. A healthy marine community relies on competition for habitat and food and different species feed during different times of the day. Introducing an unnatural meal disturbs these competitive relationships and can lead to the decline of certain species and over-population of others. In a location where fish are regularly fed there are often feeding frenzies and people present may get injured.

Damage To The Environment
Hand-feeding fish takes a toll on the marine environment too. Adding food to the water around reefs increases nutrient levels which then increases the growth of harmful algae that damage corals. The majority of reef fish are grazers, meaning they only eat algae. They keep the growth of the algae on coral reefs under control so that the reefs aren’t smothered. By feeding fish their behaviour is modified so that they no longer graze on the harmful algae that need to be removed from the reef, the algae may become overgrown. Eventually the reef is destroyed and the habitat of many species is lost."

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:55 (31 days ago) @ OlsenMN

Thanks for the clarification.

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by qwerty @, Oregon, USA, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 16:56 (31 days ago) @ OlsenMN

Thank you so much for posting this. I love to snorkel and have never found it necessary or desirable to feed the fish. I was so frustrated in Belize to see it done every time we went snorkeling there. At least they used Chum rather than bread or crackers.

I try to follow the old adage - take only photographs, leave only footprints. My travel companion and I pick up trash everywhere we go, including while snorkeling.

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by Talley Ho @, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 22:34 (30 days ago) @ qwerty

Nice to see you back. Your comments? :megusta:

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 10:46 (31 days ago) @ frostbite

:megusta:

Glad you had a fun day out!!

Keith

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by needshendy @, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:25 (31 days ago) @ Labrat

Thank you for that interesting information. I too have enjoyed feeding the fish from shore at Coral Beach and have had my finger bitten doing so. I know two wrongs don't make a right, but I 'learned' to feed the fish crackers while snorkelling from following the resort snorkel guides! It sure increases your variety and number of sightings.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:59 (31 days ago) @ needshendy

I snorkeled the other day at Las Gatas. There were more fish, and a greater variety, than I've seen in previous excursions. I also saw a medium size turtle, which I followed for a while. That was the first time I'd ever seen one while snorkeling. Rather than feeding fish crackers, I like to turn rocks over, which the fish seem to appreciate.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 12:28 (31 days ago) @ frostbite

I snorkeled the other day at Las Gatas. There were more fish, and a greater variety, than I've seen in previous excursions. I also saw a medium size turtle, which I followed for a while. That was the first time I'd ever seen one while snorkeling. Rather than feeding fish crackers, I like to turn rocks over, which the fish seem to appreciate.

Please don't turn rocks over or disturb them. There may be eggs or something hiding under them. When in the water you are in someone else's home, and you shouldn't touch anything. I used to be a snorkeling guide at Buck Island National Park in the USVI, and frankly I've never understood why folks have to touch everything or feed the fish, but when I come by your house I'll be sure to toss you some algae and flip your furniture over and see how you like it. ;)

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by gemini67, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 13:34 (31 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Rob classic response to frostf''' B-)

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by gemini67, Saturday, December 23, 2017, 11:18 (29 days ago) @ gemini67

in the woods, Bear's House, In the sky, Hawk's House, In the ocean, Shark's House. Do not feed it, touch it or kill it, respect and observe. Difficult I know but go ahead and help out a hungry dog or injured animal.

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by HolyMole @, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 14:08 (31 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I snorkeled the other day at Las Gatas. There were more fish, and a greater variety, than I've seen in previous excursions. I also saw a medium size turtle, which I followed for a while. That was the first time I'd ever seen one while snorkeling. Rather than feeding fish crackers, I like to turn rocks over, which the fish seem to appreciate.


Please don't turn rocks over or disturb them. There may be eggs or something hiding under them. When in the water you are in someone else's home, and you shouldn't touch anything. I used to be a snorkeling guide, and frankly I've never understood why folks have to touch everything or feed the fish, but when I come by your house I'll be sure to toss you some algae and flip your furniture over and see how you like it. ;)

Ya, Sydney could have eggs hiding all over the place!

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by Mike from SF @, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:25 (31 days ago) @ frostbite

Sounds like a great day Sidney.

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by Tere @, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:30 (31 days ago) @ frostbite

Sounds like lots of fun! Whales and dolphins! There are a lot of fish around right now. My husband and I go to Manzanillo beach, Las Gatas or La Isla once or twice a week so he can clean the bottom of his lancha while I snorkel, then we fish with plastic lures on the way back. We've caught eight Sierra and two barrilette in the past week or so. As for feeding the fish - here's what I've figured out: In the off-season or mid-week when nobody's feeding them, they SWARM me while I'm snorkeling - because no one's fed them. The little orange and black ones bite me looking for food. (It's just a pinch that leaves no mark, but annoying.) And I'm forever finding plastic bags or Saladitas wrappers floating around. The garbage that I can reach I take back to the boat with me so we can throw it out, but there's always garbage related to feeding that's out of my reach.

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by Fuceneh @, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 13:40 (31 days ago) @ frostbite

Sounds like a great day!.May I ask what a trip like that cost? Coming down there in February....Tks

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 22:04 (30 days ago) @ Fuceneh

US$150.00 plus a tip for the boat. I don't recall what the restaurant charged for cooking, beverages, etc. And to avoid more snarky comments from Rob: I convert US Dollars to Pesos when paying. Contact info for Guillermo Arciniega: home 554-2113 cell 044-755-108-9380.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, December 22, 2017, 07:41 (30 days ago) @ frostbite

US$150.00 plus a tip for the boat. I don't recall what the restaurant charged for cooking, beverages, etc. And to avoid more snarky comments from Rob: I convert US Dollars to Pesos when paying. Contact info for Guillermo Arciniega: home 554-2113 cell 044-755-108-9380.

Ha ha ha ha! See? Even old dogs can learn new tricks.
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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Friday, December 22, 2017, 09:31 (30 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

"See? Even old dogs can learn new tricks."


Quite possibly, but Guillermo has always quoted in dollars and I have always paid in Pesos. No point in making them go to the bank.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Friday, December 22, 2017, 09:58 (30 days ago) @ frostbite

:megusta:

As have I.

I haven't ever paid in anything but Pesos. I wouldn't take Pesos for fixing someone's Puter up here either! chuckle.

Ans a side note: With the exchange rate for the U.S. Dollar being higher, many of the Captains have lowered their U.S. Dollar quoted prices as well.

Keith

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by K&B, Friday, December 22, 2017, 10:34 (30 days ago) @ Labrat

Can you give an example of the lower rates?

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Friday, December 22, 2017, 10:49 (30 days ago) @ K&B

Rooster trips that were 275 and now 250.

You mileage will vary Captain to Captain (as it always did.

I won't quote you Captains and their prices, as I would hate to steer you wrong.

Keith

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by Flatlander @, North Dakota, USA, Friday, December 22, 2017, 07:46 (30 days ago) @ frostbite

I am in Z for Jan and Feb and fish about 25 days with different captains and all quote in US dollars so that's what I pay in. If they quoted in pesos that is what I would pay

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Friday, December 22, 2017, 09:53 (30 days ago) @ Flatlander

Remember that they would have to go to a bank and change the Pesos into money they can spend. There is no a monthly limit on how much they can exchange. I suppose there could be an "underground economy" that trades in dollars.

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by Mike from SF @, Saturday, December 23, 2017, 12:39 (29 days ago) @ Flatlander

Flatlander, Are you fishing with Santiago or his brother Adan? I will be fishing 1/8-1/22, perhaps I will run into you.

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by K&B, Saturday, December 23, 2017, 12:41 (29 days ago) @ Mike from SF

Are you fishing all those dates solid?

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by Mike from SF @, Saturday, December 23, 2017, 14:32 (29 days ago) @ K&B

K&B No,I'm too old. We like a rest day in between fishing days.

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by Flatlander @, North Dakota, USA, Saturday, December 23, 2017, 14:59 (29 days ago) @ Mike from SF

Sent you an email

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by Fuceneh @, Friday, December 22, 2017, 11:52 (30 days ago) @ frostbite

Gracias!