Avatar

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by Johnny Briefcase @, Monday, January 01, 2018, 01:31 (21 days ago)

Troops - there have been lots of postings about shootings, muggings and general lawlessness in our corner of the Mexican vacation paradise. I have no problems with the postings. I believe they are legitimate topics of discussion for this forum. However, it's important that we keep these matters in perspective.

My wife & I live in BC Canada which is touted as a safe and very livable place. Still, we get reports of shootings, muggings and home invasions daily on the evening news. If I was a tourist to my home area and I listened to those news reports, I'd be leery of visiting BC and in particular, Surrey BC. I lived in Surrey for 25 years and never experienced any serious violence.

When we lived in a town outside of Vancouver BC [ Mission ], there was an article in the local paper about a family that was fed up with all the violence in that locality. The family moved to a small island off the coast of South America and took up the occupation of sheep farming secure in the belief that they would never experience serious violence again.

Their island paradise was in the Falkland Islands and they ended up in the middle of the Falkland Islands war between Britain and Argentina.

Two points to ponder:

There really wasn't much violence in Mission BC

Violence can happen anywhere

....JB

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by DodgersBlue @, Monday, January 01, 2018, 02:25 (21 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase

Put a "quality and quantity" perspective and Zijua/Ixtapa is worse than Chicago.

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by midalake @, Monday, January 01, 2018, 08:44 (20 days ago) @ DodgersBlue

Put a "quality and quantity" perspective and Zijua/Ixtapa is worse than Chicago.

Can you add some facts to this other than your "feelings"

D

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by Zbulldog @, Monday, January 01, 2018, 10:25 (20 days ago) @ midalake

Hard to justify that with facts. Chicago's 2017 rate will be a bit lower than 2016 which was 27.9 per 100,000 people. Close to 100% of the murders in Chicago are reported whereas the same can not be said in Mexico including Zihua do to many missing people being unaccounted for. The 2017 rate just for the state of Guerrero (which includes Acapulco) is 58.6 per 100,000 people. From what I have been able to find, the population of Zihua is 67,408 and Ixtapa is 8,992. So if you round up the area to 100,000, it would only take 29-30 to outpace Chicago.

FYI: Mexico as a country is 18.7. The USA is 5.13 and Canada is less than the USA, but I could get an accurate number as people still aren't sure if Quebec is part of Canada.

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by Canada1 @, Monday, January 01, 2018, 11:39 (20 days ago) @ Zbulldog

FYI: Mexico as a country is 18.7. The USA is 5.13 and Canada is less than the USA, but I could get an accurate number as people still aren't sure if Quebec is part of Canada.

If all provinces got to vote Quebec most likely would not be part of Canada now.

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by midalake @, Monday, January 01, 2018, 11:48 (20 days ago) @ Zbulldog

Hard to justify that with facts. Chicago's 2017 rate will be a bit lower than 2016 which was 27.9 per 100,000 people. Close to 100% of the murders in Chicago are reported whereas the same can not be said in Mexico including Zihua do to many missing people being unaccounted for. The 2017 rate just for the state of Guerrero (which includes Acapulco) is 58.6 per 100,000 people. From what I have been able to find, the population of Zihua is 67,408 and Ixtapa is 8,992. So if you round up the area to 100,000, it would only take 29-30 to outpace Chicago.

FYI: Mexico as a country is 18.7. The USA is 5.13 and Canada is less than the USA, but I could get an accurate number as people still aren't sure if Quebec is part of Canada.

I do not live in Acapulco when I am in Ixtapa. So lumping in any where ELSE would be a disservice.Unless you want to add Milwaukee's murder rate too? Not even sure why you are trying to define someone else's position [Dodgersblues]. I want to hear his take on "quality and quantity"

D

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by Zbulldog @, Monday, January 01, 2018, 11:58 (20 days ago) @ midalake

Easy there Dave. I'm not Rob who you're always climbing all over. It's a New Year, why not start it with a new attitude.

Avatar

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by Fran @, Evanston, IL, Monday, January 01, 2018, 18:15 (20 days ago) @ midalake

I would point out that the same could be said of Chicago. It’s a big place. If you break down the murder rate by neighborhoods, there is a very different picture. Much of Chicago mayhem is concentrated in a few identifiable Chicago neighborhoods. Others are pretty much untouched.

I grow weary of the Chicago thing.

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by DodgersBlue @, Tuesday, January 02, 2018, 10:45 (19 days ago) @ midalake

Well I don't think adding Milwaukee and Chicago would bring put it above Guerrero but I certainly could be wrong.

My initial statement was short and vague so my apologies. What I was wanting to state is that, when you take in to consideration places that tourists would most likely be in during daylight hours, Z/I had more murders in those locations than Chi.

All that said I may be incorrect and so rescind my statement.

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by islandgirl @, Cowichan Valley, Monday, January 01, 2018, 05:03 (21 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase

Being from the island, I avoid metro Vancouver, Surrey, Richmond, the lot. Every morning we get up and say let's turn on the news and see how many people got shot in (Greater) Vancouver last night. The gangs there are out of control too, and getting bolder with daytime shootings etc. Don't need or want to have to deal with shootings and violence where ever I choose to go.
It's not that I think I'll get shot at, but I just don't need the risk. I have a child to raise, and neither of us needs to witness a shooting or the aftermath, get in a crash with a get away car or the like.
Not that it is perfect here, but a little quieter than Van.

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by GordJ, Monday, January 01, 2018, 16:06 (20 days ago) @ islandgirl

Yeah, it’s just like Surrey. News

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by Mexalberta @, Monday, January 01, 2018, 09:53 (20 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase

As mentioned many times before. There are no police,!!!!?
We were in Ixtapa for a November , visited Zihua on business a few times and so saw no police.
Did not go down to the pier just so I could say we saw police.
Some Marines running through the restaurant area in Ixtapa isn’t what I would call seeing police.
Reactive rather than proactive is losing strategy for life in general.
We can’t compare it to where we live or where you live.
Guerrero is under siege and it will only get worse. It is lawless.

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by zkaliman, Saturday, January 06, 2018, 22:17 (15 days ago) @ Mexalberta

ME GUSTA !!!

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by AndreaB1 @, Monday, January 01, 2018, 16:17 (20 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase

We have been coming to Zih since 2007. We always stay at Aura Del Mar and got married there in 2008. We’ve always been careful, we don’t stay out late and are aware of our surroundings. We love our Zih vacations. However, last Thanksgiving I was awoken by hundreds of gunshots as someone was killed as part of a hit at the oxxo. A week later my friend and I walked out one side of coconuts, another party walked out the other side where the woman from that party was violently mugged. We have 2 kids, 5 and 7 and travel usually with another family. We have Aura Del Mar booked for thanksgiving 2018 and literally was just looking to book flights when all of these postings of recent violence came up (it seemed quiet for awhile but maybe I’m wrong). I don’t think there is any point comparing to Chicago - to me that’s not a fair comparison based on size, population, and certain areas. We live in Seattle so dangers are not new to us. But when I vacation, I want my biggest worry to be that the kids are quiet enough at the pool while being watched by my husband so they don’t disturb my beach massage. I don’t want to have to worry that we can randomly get mugged or killed, and to me, the chances seem higher and higher lately in Zih. I spent the day trying to find another vacation spot, and of course nothing seems to compare, but I am really torn on whether we should come down again. I suppose I’m looking for someone tell me its safe, without comparisons to cities that are not comparable or by telling me to not wear flashy jewelry - we know all this already. Thanks in advance for any replies as to the day to day for tourists in Zih so I can make an informed decision.

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by Charlybby, Tuesday, January 02, 2018, 00:24 (20 days ago) @ AndreaB1

It's still very safe! These things tend to happen over Xmas/New Years & 3 Kings days. Usually not locals! Trust me, I know!

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by Chiboy, Tuesday, January 02, 2018, 11:28 (19 days ago) @ Charlybby

It's still very safe! These things tend to happen over Xmas/New Years & 3 Kings days. Usually not locals! Trust me, I know!

iMHO, it is not so much Who are the Perp's but that there is no credible law enforcement or justice system. If there are no consequences then there is no deterent.
The violence and murders are not limited to "bad areas." At this point it becomes a statistical game with very real consequences. Even if we are fortunate enough not to be directly targeted, we still run the risk of becoming "collateral damage. " Not a good game to bet on in my opinion especially with the price being potentially so high.

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by hromero @, Tuesday, January 02, 2018, 21:09 (19 days ago) @ AndreaB1

I think your question can really only be answered by you and your loved ones. Every one of us wakes up each day and faces risks that threatens our lives. Most of those risks we have adapted to and don't give much conscious thought to (i.e. driving an automobile, exposing our skin to the sun, etc.) despite the fact that we have adapted our habits to mitigate them. Some risks we are willing to take because the beauty we experience as a result is well worth that risk. For me the beauty I find here in Zihuatanejo still far outweighs the dangers.

[image]
[image]
[image]
[image]
[image]
[image]
[image]
[image]
[image]
[image]

What is the risk for a tourist visiting Mexico and Zihuatanejo? Over 25 million u.s. citizens visited Mexico and 843 were murdered. That comes to 3.25 per 100,000 which is much very similar to the 2.7 rate I experienced living in Seattle. The fact is that traveling to a foreign country regardless of which country you come from is always a risk because one generally isn't aware of the local customs and laws. What we gain from experiencing a different culture and ecosystem, in my humble opinion, far outweighs those risks.

That doesn't mean that one shouldn't be aware of and take precautions. I think advice already given on this board such as not taking large sums of money out with you, being extremely cautious when out past midnight, etc. are still worth considering. If people are informed and take some common sense precautions I think most people can have a safe, fun and relaxing vacation here in Zihuatanejo.

I have found much more friendship, warmth and love from the people here in Zihuatanejo than any of the other bad things.

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by zkaliman, Saturday, January 06, 2018, 22:16 (15 days ago) @ AndreaB1

i would say go somewhere else, vacations are to relax and enjoy. all the mexican locals are freaked out, except they cant leave, why be freaked out like them or pretend all is well when its clearly not. there are other places that are nice, latin and uncomplicated. cheers !!!

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by zkaliman, Saturday, January 06, 2018, 22:27 (15 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase

the comparisons should be with other latin resort towns, not all these other urban cities people are bringing up. do i want to go to vacation to a city/country that has a surge cartel violence or do i want to go to a city that doesn't have this surge ?. people are just looking for a calm latin beach city to vacation, mexico and guerrero aint it right now- its an opportunity to discover other places- easy peasy - dont make your life complicated. cheers !!!

Avatar

Violence & Lawlessness In The Zihuatanejo Area

by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Sunday, January 07, 2018, 07:31 (14 days ago) @ zkaliman

We love Zihua, the area and its people. We have never felt unsafe during prior visits, including our most recent 3 weeks in December, and are looking forward to our next 3 weeks in April.

--
[image]
http://www.casa-amarilla-zihua.com