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by AlexB @, Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 21:01 (166 days ago)

Hello all,

This is my first post here on the board. Forgive the cliche, but has anything changed with regard to safety (recently)?

As you’re probably aware, the US State Department has issued a level 4 advisory for all of Guerrero, including Zihua and Ixtapa, which is hard to believe. I’ve been to the area roughly 20 times in the last 3 years, but this is the first time I’ve seen such a strongly worded advisory for Zihua. To those of you who reside full time or close enough, has anything gotten weird recently?

My wife and I are planning a trip on the 18th for four days, staying at the Capella or whatever they call it now.

Thank you!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 21:47 (166 days ago) @ AlexB

These “advisories” seem to have more to do with trying to keep U.S. tourists spending their money in the States than with any real events on the ground. Yes, a U.S. citizen was recently murdered allegedly after making a scene and demanding a refund over a prostitute at a strip joint at 4 in the morning. I suspect if you don’t hang out at strip joints you’ll be just fine.

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by cantinero46, Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 21:57 (166 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Rob. WERE ARE THE STRIP JOINTS?:badass:

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by senora2, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 13:08 (165 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Queriidos=Dears,
I have been coming to Mexico since 1970. I am American and bilingual. I/we (my husband and I) brought our son along since he was 6; he is now 34 and also bilingual. We first visited Zihuatanejo when my son was in 5th grade. Loved it. Every other year thereafter, Dane traveled with me (and many American Spanish students). We visited Isla Mujeres, Merida, Acapulco, Oaxaca, Hautulco, Zihuatanejo, Mazatlan, Puerto Vallarta, etc. Zihuatanejo was always our favorite until 3 years ago.
My husband, Hugh, and I spent 5 winters (2 months every year) in Zihuatanejo from 2010 until 2015. Zihua was our second home, but no longer. There were signs...overheard conversations from taxi drivers and store owners like Arturo. We decided not to return 3 years ago though this year I almost suggested we go again next year. Not anymore. You may think the US State Department is alarmist; I do not. I respect their advice. As far as your claim that our government doesn't want us to spend dollars in Mexico, I disagree. My American dollar buys a great deal more there. We now look for other travel opportunities...Costa Rica, Portugal, et. Al. I just want you to know at age 70 and a well-seasoned traveler, I would heed the advisory re: Guerrero and the other 4 states with a no travel recommendation. Con respeto, Senora

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 15:54 (165 days ago) @ senora2

"You may think the US State Department is alarmist; I do not. I respect their advice. As far as your claim that our government doesn't want us to spend dollars in Mexico, I disagree. My American dollar buys a great deal more there."

Sorry, but I disagree. The State Department is most definitely alarmist. There's no doubt in my mind that the government prefers that we spend our money at home. I love Zihua and its people and I will continue to go there, while taking the usual precautions when traveling anywhere.

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by D-Loco, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 19:37 (165 days ago) @ senora2

You may think the US State Department is alarmist; I do not. I respect their advice. As far as your claim that our government doesn't want us to spend dollars in Mexico, I disagree. My American dollar buys a great deal more there.

Those State Dept. Warnings are 100% BS. Their motives are political, financial and absolute manipulative into getting the tourist money spent in the US. If Mexico doesn't do exactly what the US wants them to in the war on drugs they use these warnings to pressure them. I live in Mazatlan as much as I can and Sinaloa is in that warning too. I go all over Sinaloa and into Durango, Sonora, Jalisco etc. I vacation in Zihua a few times a year. I know whats going on with cartels as does most of the world. The difference is we know it doesn't affect us if we respect the laws and communities where most people that read the cartel news thinks EVERYONE is affected directly. I'm returning to Maz in a few weeks and can't wait, which is always the case.

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by AlexB @, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 19:46 (165 days ago) @ D-Loco

Thank you very much for all of the different points of view, I really appreciate it! We’ll go ahead with our plans and exercise caution. Have a great day!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 11:53 (163 days ago) @ senora2

Queriidos=Dears,
I have been coming to Mexico since 1970. I am American and bilingual. I/we (my husband and I) brought our son along since he was 6; he is now 34 and also bilingual. We first visited Zihuatanejo when my son was in 5th grade. Loved it. Every other year thereafter, Dane traveled with me (and many American Spanish students). We visited Isla Mujeres, Merida, Acapulco, Oaxaca, Hautulco, Zihuatanejo, Mazatlan, Puerto Vallarta, etc. Zihuatanejo was always our favorite until 3 years ago.
My husband, Hugh, and I spent 5 winters (2 months every year) in Zihuatanejo from 2010 until 2015. Zihua was our second home, but no longer. There were signs...overheard conversations from taxi drivers and store owners like Arturo. We decided not to return 3 years ago though this year I almost suggested we go again next year. Not anymore. You may think the US State Department is alarmist; I do not. I respect their advice. As far as your claim that our government doesn't want us to spend dollars in Mexico, I disagree. My American dollar buys a great deal more there. We now look for other travel opportunities...Costa Rica, Portugal, et. Al. I just want you to know at age 70 and a well-seasoned traveler, I would heed the advisory re: Guerrero and the other 4 states with a no travel recommendation. Con respeto, Senora

My wife was born here long before your first visit, and though my first visit here was only 4 years after yours, I have lived and worked here for close to 29 years now. You may not have been aware that there were armed rebel groups operating in the State of Guerrero during your first visit. They kidnapped the governor to make their grievances known after government forces murdered innocent rural village dwellers who dared to criticize the thieves in our government, but instead of honoring the supposed pact they had agreed to for the kidnapped governor's release, Gov. Rubén Figueroa Figueroa ruthlessly hunted down and executed their leader, many of his family members and many of the common folks who supported the former school teacher turned rebel named Lucio Cabañas. Most of us here in Guerrero consider Lucio Cabañas a hero. Figueroa's son also became governor but was forced to resign in disgrace after he ordered a massacre of campesinos organizing political opposition. Whatever "signs" you saw or whatever you overheard in conversations from 2010 to 2015 only demonstrate to me that you were previously apparently blissfully unaware of Guerrero's true lawless nature. But the biggest danger in Guerrero isn't rebels or criminals. It is and has always been our government. A government full of too much corruption and impunity. They are who most good and decent citizens have historically feared. They are who are responsible for disappearing hundreds and possibly thousands of our citizens during the Guerra Sucia. There would not be criminal cartels operating with impunity in our state were it not for their collusion with caciques and politicians.

Even so, we are not at war with anyone. We have no nuclear missiles pointed at anyone and it is unlikely any are pointed at us. We have no terrorists. Gunslingers and ammosexuals cannot walk into the nearest sporting goods store to arm themselves and commit a massacre. No one is shooting up people in our schools, movie theaters, malls or churches. And frankly foreign tourists have rarely been the targets of any kind of violence. Much less than in almost any other tourist destination, including Florida.

So while I respect your opinion, I strongly disagree with your conclusions and I regret that you saw the need to register on my Message Board for the sole purpose of expressing such negative sentiments about a place that warmly welcomed you and your family year after year with open arms.

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by Rogerthat, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 13:52 (163 days ago) @ senora2

I know this dear liberal and open minded woman from Wisconsin fairly well. She is no "flake" nor an alarmist even though I disagree with her. Her intellect and hearty laugh is missed on La Ropa. I think of her and husband Hugh every time I pull a chair at Rossy's. I have been traveling to Guerrero since 1984 and have never been wronged except by perverted gringos and drunken Canadians. That being said, we'll see how my 7 weeks go this year and as always will keep my stick on the ice and options opened.

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Here ya go, an optimistic view...

by Pelicano, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 09:56 (163 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

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by sarascloud, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 18:59 (163 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I was at work in my cubicle when I read the Level 4 advisory on the internet, and I burst into tears I was so sad and confused. Some of the happiest times in my life have been spent in Zihua and Troncones with family, and we have been vacationing there since 1984. So, I am MUCH relieved to learn that the Level 4 is primarily political, and really nothing has changed - except I have to scratch that 4am strip club visit off my bucket list. :-(

@Pam in NJ - it is very good to hear Canada hasn't issued any kind of warning.

Thanks to EVERYONE on this message board for posting their knowledge and experience, I am feeling so much better! :brilliant:

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by Pelicano, Monday, January 15, 2018, 09:27 (161 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

From the it can happen anywhere file, a so called targeted hit on Broadway in Vancouver on Saturday left the intended in critical condition and two bystanders wounded, one a 15 year old....

:giveup:

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by Mexalberta @, Monday, January 15, 2018, 10:52 (161 days ago) @ Pelicano

No surprise in a city of 2.5 million.
Near the transit stations it is common.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 06:54 (165 days ago) @ AlexB

I live here and have not noticed any significant changes. There is no doubt that there continue to be a concerning level of murders in the area and they cannot be ignored. However, my take is that the violence is occurring among those who are involved in the illicit drug trade. I am out and about in Zihuatanejo on a daily basis and have never personally experienced a feeling of danger. This applies to both the tourist areas of Zihuatanejo and the local neighborhoods where I regularly visit my partner's family. I am not saying that there isn't danger, just that I think that most sensible people who are here to enjoy the natural beauty and lovely people of Zihuatanejo can expect a carefree experience. Sensible things like not wearing expensive jewelry, not flashing a wad of cash, not soliciting illicit drugs, etc. will go a long way towards keeping your stay here as safe as always. From your post I would guess that you are of the sensible type and shouldn't worry about your upcoming trip(s).

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by Commander Barrett, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 08:38 (165 days ago) @ hromero

I WILL be there in May! Chicago and Baltimore lead the US in murders, robberies etc., but, no travel restriction to those places.:vivamexico:

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by Craig AKA the cruise ship guy @, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 09:26 (165 days ago) @ Commander Barrett

We even went to Las Vegas for Thanksgiving, no crime or nuts there. Our October trip to Zihuatanejo was sooooo much scarier! :wtf: :stirpot:

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by Paulf @, Mount Sterling, Ky 40353, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 14:28 (165 days ago) @ Commander Barrett

My son is in the FBI in Chicago and has been warning us for years about the travel restrictions(he can not come here) and my reply to him is look how many murders are in Chicago. I feel a lot safer here than in most places in the States- now Lexington, Ky is having problems with murders. If one is not in the drug cultural, there does not seam a problem here.

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by Quadra Paul @, Friday, January 12, 2018, 12:02 (164 days ago) @ Paulf

This is not new. I met a guy in Troncones last year who used to work for the defense dept. in the US and is now retired. He said that he was never allowed to go anywhere in Mexico, when he was working for them!

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by Curly! ⌂, Great Pacific Northwet, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 09:23 (165 days ago) @ AlexB

I was down in November. All was as it should be. Besides, where you gonna go, Las Vegas? There were 200 murders in New Orleans last year. I don't even want to think about larger places, like Chicago. Just sayin'...

Someone a lot smarter than me (FDR) said, "Only thing we have to fear, is fear itself."

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by Zbulldog @, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 09:56 (165 days ago) @ Curly!

I was afraid you were going that.

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by Mexalberta @, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 10:10 (165 days ago) @ AlexB

My concern is with Travel Insurance. Some companies will declare the insurance void if there is a recomendation not to travel to the area.
Our Canadian Government does not have a no travel advisory for our destination .
Don’t ask me to name the companies , I have no idea, perhaps it an o old wives tale.

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by Curbarn, summer b.c. winter zihua, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 11:03 (165 days ago) @ Mexalberta

BCAA worked.

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Travel Medical coverage exceptions even for Canadians

by juanrojo @, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 19:35 (163 days ago) @ Curbarn
edited by juanrojo, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 19:42

I'm from BC and importantly and luckily I asked my agent about the coverage that my policy would have for Guerrero. A milder Canadian travel warning has been issued by, Global Affairs Canada, than even the old US one BUT while Zihua/Ixtapa and Taxco are excempt the rest of Guerrero is NOT and my coverage IS NOT VALID outside of Zih/Ixt because of Canada's milder warning. I really don't know about BCAA, my policy is through Tugo, but if you did not specifically ask, you may have the same limited coverage. I'm not being an alarmist and would NOT have thought to ask about this but for a thread from another town's message board. If you break your leg out of town get a cab to town and start your claim in Zih just in case.

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by Mexalberta @, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 22:52 (163 days ago) @ juanrojo

That is exactly what TuGo told me.
I asked about the road between Zihua and Ixtapa and they imagined it would be ok.
May have to parachute into Ixtapa from our flight.

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by OlsenMN, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 08:20 (162 days ago) @ Mexalberta

Ixtapa is IN Zihuatanejo!!! From your friends at Wikipedia: Zihuatanejo de Azueta is a municipality located on the Pacific coast in the western part of the Mexican state of Guerrero. It includes the major resort communities of Zihuatanejo and Ixtapa in addition to numerous other towns. At the 2005 census it had a population of 104,609 inhabitants. It has an area of 1468 km² (567 sq mi).
Major communities
El Coacoyul
Ixtapa
Pantla
San José Ixtapa (Barrio Viejo)
Zihuatanejo

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by hromero ⌂ @, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 08:29 (162 days ago) @ OlsenMN

:megusta:

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by Mexalberta @, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 09:09 (162 days ago) @ OlsenMN

I knew that. Just trying to have some fun.
Thanks anyway.

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by Fly on the Wall, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 11:26 (165 days ago) @ Mexalberta

Actually many Can Travel co’s have a General Exclusion, which basically states, no coverage if the Can Gov has issued a warning to avoid ‘Non Essential travel ‘ to an area.Whether they would actually apply it to a Medical condition , I don’t know but such a travel advisory is in effect foe most of Western Mexico because of violence . It’s definitely worthwhile checking into with your insurer , because if applied literally your insurance coverage that you thought you have is void. Get it in WRITING

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by Mexalberta @, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 14:44 (165 days ago) @ Fly on the Wall

I am checking the details of the travel insurance, on hold as we speak.
My question to them, if it says Guerrero but excluding Zihua and Ixtapa, what does that mean in real terms. Is the road between the two just in Guerrero or is it Zihua or Ixtapa?

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by Fly on the Wall, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 17:04 (165 days ago) @ Mexalberta

I checked with two Canadian Insurers, one a large life insurer under which my wife and are insured and the other which is primarily a Casualty insurer . We are covered but the Casualty insurer has this exclusion (#22)


Benefits are not payable for costs incurred for any loss incurred in a city, region, or country when, prior to the policy effective date, the Global Affairs Canada of the Canadian Government issued a warning to avoid all travel, or to avoid non-essential travel to that city, region, or country.

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by Mexalberta @, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 17:17 (165 days ago) @ Fly on the Wall

That is almost exactly what I have been told.
Also they said the highway was a transit route and would not effect the policy.
It is going to be very sad when you cannot travel due to the lack of insurable locations in Mexico.

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by EsBrian, Thursday, January 11, 2018, 11:23 (165 days ago) @ AlexB

Zihua seems just as safe as the city where I work. We just had the third murder at a gas station/fast food joint where I often eat lunch about a week ago.

Here's a link to the new US travel advisory interactive map:

https://travelmaps.state.gov/TSGMap/?extent=-0.879381859,47.401628436,20.397707357,54.42135931

Mexico rates better than Russia,they might post fake news to your facebook over there. :-o

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by Pam in NJ ⌂ @, Morristown, NJ, Friday, January 12, 2018, 06:55 (164 days ago) @ AlexB

I was alerted of the travel advisory via MSN. We are arriving in less than 2 weeks, staying for 3 weeks, and aren't changing our plans.

Currently, Canada has not issued a travel advisory for it's citizens.....in fact, I don't recall Canada ever issuing a travel advisory for all of the years that the US has had one for Guerrero.

I take the US warning under advisement. I am aware of a higher than "normal" crime level in Zihua/Ixtapa but it seems to be isolated to the "drug trade" rather than random mass shootings. (please correct me if I'm missing something) And like everyone always says - don't wear expensive jewelry, flash money, buy drugs, etc. Be smart, travel smart.

We also read that the areas in Guerrero with the increased warning/threat are inland, hours away from the coast (again, please correct me if my info is incorrect). With all the propaganda these days, it's hard to know what to believe!!

Enjoy your trip and have a great time!!

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by Fly on the Wall, Friday, January 12, 2018, 07:49 (164 days ago) @ Pam in NJ

Canadain Travel Advisory - Note Zih/Ixtapa not under advisory

Risk level(s)
MEXICO - Exercise a high degree of caution
Exercise a high degree of caution in Mexico due to high levels of criminal activity, as well as demonstrations, protests and occasional illegal roadblocks throughout the country.

Northern states - Avoid non-essential travel
Avoid non-essential travel to the following northern states due to high levels of violence, linked mainly to organized crime:

Chihuahua
Coahuila (except the city of Saltillo)
Durango
Nuevo León (except the city of Monterrey)
Sinaloa (except the city of Mazatlán)
Sonora (except the cities of Hermosillo and Guaymas/San Carlos)
Tamaulipas.
Exercise a high degree of caution in the cities that are excluded from the above advisory.

Safety and security situation

Western states - Avoid non-essential travel
Avoid non-essential travel to the western states of Guerrero (including Acapulco but excluding the cities of Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo and Taxco) and Michoacán (excluding the city of Morelia) due to the high levels of violence and organized crime.

Avoid non-essential travel
There are specific safety and security concerns that could put you at risk. You should reconsider your need to travel to the country, territory or region. If you are already in the country, territory or region, you should reconsider whether or not you really need to be there. If not, you should consider leaving while it is still safe to do so. It is up to you to decide what “non-essential travel” means, based on family or business requirements, knowledge of or familiarity with a country, territory or region, and other factors.

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by Las Vegas Bob, Friday, January 12, 2018, 11:04 (164 days ago) @ Fly on the Wall

I checked with Travel Guard re coverage to Zihua. Their coverage is not affected by the travel 2 advisory. They will not cover an early return flight (trip interruption) due to unease when you arrive in Zihua. All other coverage is unaffected.

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by AlexB @, Friday, January 12, 2018, 11:11 (164 days ago) @ Las Vegas Bob

Bob,


Guerrero is Level 4 (do not travel). That's the reason for my message. But I feel that the threat level has been overblown. I checked, and our medical covers us in this circumstance, although early return flight isn't covered;-)

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by Las Vegas Bob, Friday, January 12, 2018, 11:33 (164 days ago) @ AlexB

My mistake. I must have been looking at an outdated advisory. Travel 4 advisory is correct and I agree with you that it is a shame that Zihua is included in this blanket warning dated Jan 10.

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by Fran @, Evanston, IL, Friday, January 12, 2018, 14:25 (164 days ago) @ Las Vegas Bob

Most, if not all, travel policies generically exclude coverage for incidents of acts of war or terrorism. It isn’t specific to country or location.

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by h4Dan, California, Friday, January 12, 2018, 16:06 (164 days ago) @ Fran

We have Allainz trip insurance, called this AM and they said we're good to go for our trip in three weeks, no problems.

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by Pam in NJ ⌂ @, Morristown, NJ, Friday, January 12, 2018, 22:11 (164 days ago) @ Fly on the Wall

thanks for sharing the Canada warnings.....interesting that Guerrero and Michoacan aren't noted.

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by Pelicano, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 09:46 (163 days ago) @ Pam in NJ

thanks for sharing the Canada warnings.....interesting that Guerrero and Michoacan aren't noted.

They are, under avoid non-essential travel, but Z is excluded...

:vivamexico:

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by cudabob @, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 13:16 (162 days ago) @ Pelicano

thank you all for your input. our family of 15 has booked 2+ weeks in zihuat in march. some are conflicted with the warnings and all, especially those with little ones. most of us feel somewhat relieved after reading your posts. first trip to the area and so excited. keep posting - i don't want to go to maui!!

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 13:56 (162 days ago) @ cudabob

Have a great time in Zihua! Although we have friends on Maui, who have invited us to visit, why on earth would one want to go there, when the natives don't like Haolies (sp?), but the locals in Zihua are welcoming?

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by Mexalberta @, Monday, January 15, 2018, 11:25 (161 days ago) @ cudabob

Although there are not travel warnings from government there are travel warnings and advise with regard to large cities of the worlld. Just search danger in any city of your choosing and you will find info from Fodors, Lonely Planet , AAA etc
Crime is a way of life and it is consuming us.