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A Message from Troncones concerning safety...

by Hunter-MX ⌂ @, Troncones, Gro. Mexico, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 10:33 (218 days ago)

I was asked by the people of Troncones to post this letter addressing current events and travel warnings. While I did not write it I agree 100% with the sentiments within. I am a year-round resident here, I live a "normal" life in the village (not along the beach) and have been here many years as well...

We would like to address the new US Travel Warning.

First of all, Americans are at much more risk of losing their lives in America than they are here. The news has proven that in the US there is lethal danger anywhere there are lots of people, like at schools, churches, outdoor concerts, malls, marathons, sidewalks in Time Square, etc. Nearly every large American city has some part of town you don’t want to be in the daytime or at night.

Troncones is a crime-free small town. It’s a place where if you drop your credit card or passport, it gets returned to you. I have lived here for 30 years and can say that Troncones is the safest place I’ve ever been in the world.

As far as Zihuatanejo and Ixtapa are concerned, for tourists that are coming to enjoy the beaches, the sun and the good food, there are no problems. The only cautions I would put on Zihua/Ixtapa would be to stay out of strip clubs, not to “close down” discos, and to use some common sense, the same as you should use wherever you live or visit.

Troncones has no discos, strip clubs, etc. the kinds of places that attract the kind of people more likely to do something stupid, stuff they shouldn’t do anywhere, including America.

Most of the travel warnings issued about Mexico say “Except Zihuatanejo/Ixtapa” in Guerrero, “Except Morelia," in Michoacan, et cetera. The current Canadian advisory includes those exceptions. The current UK advisory, with regard to Guerrero recommends “remaining extra vigilant in Acapulco and surrounding areas” with no mention of Zihua/Ixtapa.

Nothing has changed to warrant the US extending their “Do Not Travel” warning to the entire state of Guerrero.

We believe this new overreaching US Travel Ban may well be related to the negotiations of NAFTA and The Wall.

Dewey McMillin
APCAT President

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A Message from Troncones concerning safety...

by Mexalberta @, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 10:40 (218 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

Great statement of the facts
Could just be the Excited States of America.

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A Message from Troncones concerning safety...

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 11:32 (218 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

I agree 100% with Dewey (except that he hasn't lived in Troncones for 30 years yet, close, but not quite 30 years), and as I've stated repeatedly, nothing has happened here to warrant a NO TRAVEL designation from the U.S. State Department.

Yes, it's true we have no functioning or reliable police department like most communities in the USA have. WE NEVER HAVE! In spite of that fact we do not have looters and rioters running through the streets as almost any U.S. city our size without a functioning police force would certainly have as we've seen time and time again. The great majority of the people here will go out of their way to help and to look after the welfare of our national and foreign tourists. That is one of the factors that has always made the Zihuatanejo region stand apart from other vacation destinations.

A Message from Troncones concerning safety...

by Doozer, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 11:35 (218 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

:megusta:

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A Message from Troncones concerning safety...

by Talley Ho @, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 11:35 (218 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

:megusta:

And let me add--

by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 11:58 (218 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

I am 78 yo, nearly blind and with a bad heart. I have been visiting the area since 2000 for 3 or 4 months during various seasons.

I have been in communities around the world where living conditions are considered much less that ideal-- Guam, Okinawa, Thailand, over Vietnam, Turkey, Iran, Alaska and many others in the U.S. I've had my share of adventure and yet I now choose to live here permanently with actual less concern for my safety than in other places. Let me assure you hanging out until closing time in small towns in MT is mush more likely to get your ass kicked than I worry about here. BTW, I have learned to simply not to hang out "until closing time" anywhere in the world.

My confidence is such I am building (with my companera) a house 300 meters from the beach at Playa Buena Vista. It is very isolated near the end of a rustic road, some would say primitive and yet I have no fear of living there.

If you let the U.S. travel warnings control your life then it is your loss. You will love it here and especially the people. This morning I went for a rather long walk along the Parke Lineal near the canal and on 3 occasions people, total strangers, noticed I was crossing the street with a red tipped white cane and went out of their way to grab my elbow and make sure traffic was clear for my crossing---and has NEVER happened in the U.S. I have trouble discerning the amount and color of peso notes and sometimes hand a large bill for payment of a purchase and NEVER been ripped off--and this has happened in the U.S.

'Nuff said??

And let me add--

by Charlybby, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 12:50 (218 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

Love it!! Well put!:-)

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 17:20 (218 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

" Let me assure you hanging out until closing time in small towns in MT is mush more likely to get your ass kicked than I worry about here. BTW, I have learned to simply not to hang out "until closing time" anywhere in the world."

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Agreed, but getting your ass kicked in small towns in Montana? Really? WTF?

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by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Monday, January 15, 2018, 18:32 (216 days ago) @ frostbite

Yep, try Miles City during the bucking horse sale, Red Lodge or Livingston during the 4th of Jul rodeo, just to name a few. I'm talking about the real thing running into the wannabes over a woman at closing time. Same all over--

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by Mexalberta @, Monday, January 15, 2018, 20:12 (216 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

and the girls always look pretty at closing time!

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by Ernesto ⌂ @, Troncones, Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 08:44 (215 days ago) @ Mexalberta

Prettier says the song !

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by Mexalberta @, Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 09:17 (215 days ago) @ Ernesto

You are right Ernesto but pretty will do in Rodeo .

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by Eli @, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 18:45 (218 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

Perfect! That,s how it really is! If you are so fearful, go somewhere else! Your attutude might just bring trouble to you!

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A Message from Troncones concerning safety...

by hromero ⌂ @, Saturday, January 13, 2018, 14:29 (218 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

:megusta:

Like I said

by Commander Barrett, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 08:36 (217 days ago) @ hromero

See you in May.They can't lower my love for Zih.

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by bobnamy @, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 13:22 (217 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

Does this same opinion apply equally to staying in Majahua? I am headed there in March staying solo in the new hotel right across from the enramadas. Don't plan on doing anything stupid, just some shore fishing and relaxing.

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by bobnamy @, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 13:56 (217 days ago) @ bobnamy

And, I might add, I just completed two separate one weeks trips to LaBarrita south of Petatlan at Casa Rayo del Sol doing the same thing, shore fishing, a few charters out of Puerto Vicente (Do This!) and relaxing. I never felt unsafe and I was there when the man in Ixtapa and the Petatlan mayor both died. I am assuming Majahua is similarly situated to LaBarrita and that area. but just thought I would ask.

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by midalake @, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 20:41 (217 days ago) @ bobnamy

And, I might add, I just completed two separate one weeks trips to LaBarrita south of Petatlan at Casa Rayo del Sol doing the same thing, shore fishing, a few charters out of Puerto Vicente (Do This!) and relaxing. I never felt unsafe and I was there when the man in Ixtapa and the Petatlan mayor both died. I am assuming Majahua is similarly situated to LaBarrita and that area. but just thought I would ask.

Hi Bob

If you were in LaBarrita, Majahua should be a breeze. I am here, if you like contact me and I will respond.

Dave

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A Message from Troncones concerning safety...

by Hunter-MX ⌂ @, Troncones, Gro. Mexico, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 21:33 (217 days ago) @ bobnamy

Majahua is the same as Troncones. Just less conveniences and slower internet...

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by Vermont123, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 20:09 (217 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

A friend of ours was brutally attacked in Troncones in her home approximately 8 years ago. I disagree with you. Mexico is not as safe as the USA. The police are not reliable and are not trust worthy per many discussions on this Message Board. Rob has always agreed with this....and if you need emergency healthcare, Troncones and Zihuatanejo are not the places you want to be. This too was quoted on this message board. I absolutely love Zihuatanejo and the area and even with all of that being said I would go back...but there are always these important facts to keep in mind.

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A Message from Troncones concerning safety...

by Hunter-MX ⌂ @, Troncones, Gro. Mexico, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 21:38 (217 days ago) @ Vermont123

I am sorry to hear of your friend. I don't know the history of that. I would say it is a stretch to punish a community and put forward that it is not safe because of an incident nearly a decade ago. People will make their own decisions though.

I struggle to understand why people who profess their love for this area and vow to return still post as much negativity as they can. It is truly not representative of who and what happens here. All you are doing is hurting the people that are trying to survive here. I grew up in a very small town in Ohio, only 150 people. There have been a few murders and robberies over the last decade back there. Would I tell someone not to go there?

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by Quadra Paul @, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 21:51 (217 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

:megusta: I agree!

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by K&B @, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 22:16 (217 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

A few murders and robberies in a town with a population of 150 in the past decade. That is some high crime rate!

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by Hunter-MX ⌂ @, Troncones, Gro. Mexico, Sunday, January 14, 2018, 23:28 (217 days ago) @ K&B

Northeast Ohio is at the center of the current opioid crisis in the US. It is also high in unemployment and there a is also a meth problem. So yes, crime is a little high there. I STILL wouldn't tell people not to go there and the gov't certainly hasn't put up a travel warning. People want to dance around the point instead of just looking at logic and listening to experience. Be scared and stay home...

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by Vermont123, Monday, January 15, 2018, 20:08 (216 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

I have gone by what Rob has posted himself on his Message Board. Be that as it may, everyone has an opinion.

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An Oasis In A World Gone Mad

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, January 15, 2018, 20:28 (216 days ago) @ Vermont123

I have gone by what Rob has posted himself on his Message Board. Be that as it may, everyone has an opinion.

While we may not have a functioning police force that even remotely resembles what a city police force in a similar sized town in the USA would look like, the fact that we don't have rioters and looters running loose in the streets speaks volumes about the quality of good and decent people folks from this region are. Most of our local violence is essentially gang violence with the occasional political assassination thrown in. Being essentially a lawless place where somehow about a hundred thousand mostly poor people get along with each other amazingly well is a bit of a miracle in itself. It's one of the area's attractions, IMHO. It's part of what I fell in love with about this place over 40 years ago and why I found it a relatively easy decision to move here almost 30 years ago. I thank my lucky stars every single day that I wake up here. For all our problems this region still seems like an oasis of sanity in a world gone mad.

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An Oasis In A World Gone Mad

by Fly on the Wall, Monday, January 15, 2018, 22:23 (216 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

We have been coming to this area for over 30 years. The frequency of our visits started to increase at the turn of the century and culminated when we bought a condo here in 2011 . On average we spend 3-4 months a year here from Oct to Semana Santa .

When the uptick in gang on gang shootings heightened about 2 years ago we really thought about selling. We looked iin many places but couldn’t find anything similar to what we found here

Today we were downtown having lunch and i suddenly realized that I felt really content and at peace with myself and the world . I don’t ever remember feeling that way anywhere else I’ve ever been. Why ...not sure , perhaps the atmosphere , the friendliest and most polite and hard working people i have ever met......whatever.

I grew up poor, but did well in life . The result of which allowed my wife and I the ability to travel extensively to all 7 continents . So for one of the few times I agree with webmaster this truly is an oasis inn a world gone mad.

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by Talley Ho @, Monday, January 15, 2018, 22:38 (216 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
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by cantinero46, Monday, January 15, 2018, 22:56 (216 days ago) @ Talley Ho

J&R We are so happy for you both.:jam: