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by Paulf @, Mount Sterling, Ky 40353, Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 18:20 (32 days ago)

I was talking to a friend this afternoon about fishing. He said when he chartered the fishing and made the deposit he asked for catch and release hooks. When they started putting the lines out, they were not catch in release. He said the Captain said he did not have catch and release hooks and would not not give him his deposit back. He continued the trip and caught 1 sail fish which was filleted and split. He said that he would not go out with the Captain again.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 18:57 (32 days ago) @ Paulf

I was talking to a friend this afternoon about fishing. He said when he chartered the fishing and made the deposit he asked for catch and release hooks. When they started putting the lines out, they were not catch in release. He said the Captain said he did not have catch and release hooks and would not not give him his deposit back. He continued the trip and caught 1 sail fish which was filleted and split. He said that he would not go out with the Captain again.

Can you tell us the name of the captain or his boat? Most of them are good enough fishermen that even without circle hooks they know how to catch and release sailfish. Way too many sailfish are being caught not just by sportfishers but by long-line cimbreros, but we have no authorities willing and able to enforce the laws.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 19:05 (32 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

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by Paulf @, Mount Sterling, Ky 40353, Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 22:02 (32 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

He did not say who it was or which boat. He wanted to release but the fish was damaged to much to release. If I find out- will post.

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by roadlesstraveledguyMN @, Cannon Falls, MN USA, Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 19:06 (32 days ago) @ Paulf

I'm in Z right now using Gitana sport fishing, while they don't use circle hooks they always tag and release sailfish if they are healthy enough to survive. Captain Santiago & Captain Adan have been ranked number 1 & 2 in Mexico for tag release for many years. I also bring them more of the NOAA Fisheries tags when I come down on my trips, here is a link to the Noaa billfish newsletter.
https://swfsc.noaa.gov/textblock.aspx?Division=FRD&id=1199

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by Ernesto ⌂ @, Troncones, Wednesday, January 17, 2018, 09:08 (32 days ago) @ roadlesstraveledguyMN

Santiago is also a Gourmet Chef when it comes to cooking Dorado and Tuna ,I was invited to My Friend Sr Peligro's for a Fish dinner and Santiago cooked over a charcoal Grill ,The best Dorado I have had in 17 years of living here in Troncones .Gracias a Chago !

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by midalake @, Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 20:23 (32 days ago) @ Paulf

Hi Paul

First off. They are not catch and release hooks but circle hooks. They were first used by the long line industry. Mainly because they found fish could be released.

But you have to understand with a long line there is no one present to set the hook on a mile or two of baited hooks, and therefore the fish has an unlimited time to digest a bait.

In sport fishing the fish strike and it is a limited guessing game as to when the hook gets set.

Let me just say circle hooks are not a solve all, and traditions die hard. If you want to learn more I have posted a link. Even thought posted a long time ago it is still current. I have included a paragraph from the synopsis.

"More than half of the studies found significant positive
advantages to using circle hooks while the rest found no significant differences between the two hook types, however, four of these studies dealt with flat fishes, summer flounder, and halibut."

Here: http://myfwc.com/media/201154/circle_j_bibliography_4953.pdf

PS Very few boats use circle hooks in Z.

D

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by Herman, Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 21:08 (32 days ago) @ midalake

Santiago does have circle hooks. He also uses J hooks. I have watched good releases on both of the Gitana boats, from both circle & J hooks. I suspect that his successful billfish release percentages are similar for both type of hooks and certainly are in the high 95% range.
He has landed thousands of billfish and it is extremely unusual see a fish that was allowed to take the bait excessively deep. Subsequently, he certainly misses more strikes than that the fishermen that allow the bill fish to swallow a J hook and die.

The description from this thread of the unsuccessful release was probably an intentional kill. Money at the market drives this unethical behaviour. It would be informative to know the identity of the boat/captain that acted as if he would release, but then killed

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by allen @, Pacific Northwest, Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 22:24 (32 days ago) @ Herman

I always let them know, in advance, that I will tip for every fish released to offset what they might get at the market. I have not gone out for some time now but $20 usd used to be sufficient.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Wednesday, January 17, 2018, 09:29 (32 days ago) @ Paulf

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Bests sizes for Bait that I have found used in the area arr 5/0, 6/0, and 7/0.

Circle Hooks are used on any boat that I fish on in Zihuatanejo.
How is that?
I bring them. They are available in the above sizes in packages of 6 for around Four Dollars U.S. per package.
Preferred colors are Red and Black.
I like the Red for tossin Live Bait at Roosterfish.

My usual haul down is 50 Red and 50 Black in a mix of the three sizes, and I leave them the with the Captain(s) to encourage to use of Circle Hooks in the area.

I have converted a few, and even leave some in my tackle box with Ed, in case someone runs out, and needs a few to tide them over.

Here is a TIP for using them with Goggleyes!! Hook the bait from Under the Chin, up though the Nose. NOT behind the eyes like is done with a J Hook.
This places the Circle Hook in position for a corner of the mouth Hook Up as the fish will swallow the bait ON Its Side.

Happy Fishing!!

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by Paulf @, Mount Sterling, Ky 40353, Wednesday, January 17, 2018, 17:28 (31 days ago) @ Labrat

I thought it was note worthy that at least 1 Captain did not care if he did catch and release- maybe he didn't have the proper, who knows. I just wanted for people to be aware.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Wednesday, January 17, 2018, 18:48 (31 days ago) @ Paulf

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by Quadra Paul @, Wednesday, January 17, 2018, 21:53 (31 days ago) @ Labrat

Then file the barb off. That's what we do in BC for salmon.

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by JPinFL, Thursday, January 18, 2018, 05:12 (31 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

That's worked for me for years now. Also less costly way to go.

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by Plum Smugglah @, Thursday, January 18, 2018, 23:10 (30 days ago) @ JPinFL

Hey guys,

It all depends on the type of bait used and type of bite that you end up getting. We have an eternal debate here in BC over our Steelhead fishery, especially Thompson river Steelhead. Fly guys claim that bait guys "harm fish", bait guys claim that fly guys are "glorified flossers". I have seen Steelhead pipe down flies deep in their bellies and I've seen prawn and spoons deep in their throats. It's no different for these fish. There is no doubt that a barbless hook will help with removal and ease of release. However, I don't think it's just the bait, hook type and bite, I find that it's actually the energy expended by these fish after a good fight, it's literally like having a heart attack when the fish is landed. After that, most of the time the fish is taken straight out of water which means that now it's also out of air. As an avid fisherman and proponent of catch and release method, I found that having caught one and removing it off my bucket list, I just refrain from fishing for Sailfish anymore. Can't wait to get back to Zihua mid Feb. Tight Lines!!!

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Friday, January 19, 2018, 06:37 (30 days ago) @ Plum Smugglah

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by Paulf @, Mount Sterling, Ky 40353, Friday, January 19, 2018, 07:58 (30 days ago) @ Plum Smugglah

After the Adventure a few years ago, we love to go out but not to fish for sail fish. They were so beautiful when they were fighting- when they were on the back of the boat, we decided no more. They were one more Bucket Marked off our list.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Friday, January 19, 2018, 08:36 (30 days ago) @ Plum Smugglah

Yeah, that can be true, but lets face it.........

When the Club is In Hand, before the Leader is in Hand, there was no intention of releasing that fish.

JMO

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Friday, January 19, 2018, 09:07 (30 days ago) @ Labrat

The last time Belenda and I went out for sailfish, we caught 9. We tried to release them all, but 2 of them didn't survive. Never again.

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by midalake @, Friday, January 19, 2018, 09:42 (30 days ago) @ frostbite

The last time Belenda and I went out for sailfish, we caught 9. We tried to release them all, but 2 of them didn't survive. Never again.

How are you ever going to fish for Tuna, Marlin, or Dorado?

"THESE" posts really get me! One long line boat [one day] could assert the damage of the sport fishing fleet could do in month.

STOP LONG LINING.......Have PLENTY of fish.

PERIOD

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Friday, January 19, 2018, 12:53 (29 days ago) @ midalake

How are you ever going to fish for Tuna, Marlin, or Dorado?

"THESE" posts really get me! One long line boat [one day] could assert the damage of the sport fishing fleet could do in month.

STOP LONG LINING.......Have PLENTY of fish.

PERIOD

I don't doubt that a long-liner could cause an equal amount of damage as the local sport fishing fleet. But, regrettably, nobody's putting those greedbags out of business. While I have gone out for tuna a couple of times, we mostly limit our fishing to in-shore species and have the folks at El Indio, on Ixtapa island, cook them for our lunch. Good times without guilt.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, January 19, 2018, 09:05 (30 days ago) @ Plum Smugglah

Hey guys,

It all depends on the type of bait used and type of bite that you end up getting. We have an eternal debate here in BC over our Steelhead fishery, especially Thompson river Steelhead. Fly guys claim that bait guys "harm fish", bait guys claim that fly guys are "glorified flossers". I have seen Steelhead pipe down flies deep in their bellies and I've seen prawn and spoons deep in their throats. It's no different for these fish. There is no doubt that a barbless hook will help with removal and ease of release. However, I don't think it's just the bait, hook type and bite, I find that it's actually the energy expended by these fish after a good fight, it's literally like having a heart attack when the fish is landed. After that, most of the time the fish is taken straight out of water which means that now it's also out of air. As an avid fisherman and proponent of catch and release method, I found that having caught one and removing it off my bucket list, I just refrain from fishing for Sailfish anymore. Can't wait to get back to Zihua mid Feb. Tight Lines!!!

Our local captains know all too well how to hook a fish in the mouth as opposed to letting it swallow the bait deeply. After hearing the description of the event in question local professional captains have told me there was no doubt this guy wanted to kill and keep the fish despite the wishes of the client. For his short-sighted greed he's earned himself a long-term loss.

Saludos. :fishing:

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by Curbarn, summer b.c. winter zihua, Tuesday, January 23, 2018, 10:39 (25 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

Or break it with pliers that’s whT I do win pinks in CAR streams

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by Plum Smugglah @, Tuesday, January 23, 2018, 17:41 (25 days ago) @ Curbarn

Would those happen to be in Indian river?

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by Curbarn, summer b.c. winter zihua, Wednesday, January 24, 2018, 10:25 (24 days ago) @ Plum Smugglah

My guide.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Wednesday, January 24, 2018, 10:44 (24 days ago) @ Curbarn

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