sad but true

by Casa Juan @, Wednesday, January 24, 2018, 21:06 (117 days ago)

today on a drive off the beaten track between Majahua and the Mexican publeo of Las Salidatis on the one lane sandy road that parallels the ocean and crosses a few stream drainage, I looked behind me 10 minutes after driving from Majahua to see three new suv/ pick up vehicles raising clouds of dust pushing for me to get out of the way. After I pulled to the side then briefly resumed traveling in the same direction and the third vehicle ,a newer gray Toyota Tacoma stopped and 5 men wearing bandanas carrying automatic rifles stepped briefly out at some type of community meeting that was underway and shouted at the approximately 30 persons in attendance and drove off. This occurred 1/24/18 approximately midway between Playa Manzanillo and the former Lourdes Restaurant in Saliditas at 12:15 in the afternoon with lots of witnesses. No clue what the masked men were up to that time of day. Obviously they had no concern about crossing paths with any type of law enforcement.

sad but true

by midalake @, Wednesday, January 24, 2018, 21:25 (117 days ago) @ Casa Juan

today on a drive off the beaten track between Majahua and the Mexican publeo of Las Salidatis on the one lane sandy road that parallels the ocean and crosses a few stream drainage, I looked behind me 10 minutes after driving from Majahua to see three new suv/ pick up vehicles raising clouds of dust pushing for me to get out of the way. After I pulled to the side then briefly resumed traveling in the same direction and the third vehicle ,a newer gray Toyota Tacoma stopped and 5 men wearing bandanas carrying automatic rifles stepped briefly out at some type of community meeting that was underway and shouted at the approximately 30 persons in attendance and drove off. This occurred 1/24/18 approximately midway between Playa Manzanillo and the former Lourdes Restaurant in Saliditas at 12:15 in the afternoon with lots of witnesses. No clue what the masked men were up to that time of day. Obviously they had no concern about crossing paths with any type of law enforcement.


Things that make you go................Hummmmmmm.

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Drove It Today

by suztamasopo @, Thursday, January 25, 2018, 16:11 (116 days ago) @ midalake

Drove it today at 3 pm and had no problems. Crossed the river with no mishaps in a Honda CRV. Great lunch at Pancho y Jovitas.

Drove It Today

by bobnamy @, Thursday, January 25, 2018, 16:17 (116 days ago) @ suztamasopo

Where is Pancho y Jovitas?

Drove It Today

by Casa Juan @, Thursday, January 25, 2018, 21:07 (116 days ago) @ suztamasopo

Glad your trip went well, but no one should delude themselves it is not safe to drive that road north of Troncones when 5 masked gunman appear on the road to Saliditas at 12:15 on a Wednesday afternoon and block traffic with no fear of law enforcement.

Drove It Today

by suztamasopo @, Friday, January 26, 2018, 08:26 (116 days ago) @ Casa Juan

Just to be clear. We drive it usually once a week during the 3 to 4 months a year we are here and have for the past 6 or 7 years. We have never encountered anything except friendly folks. Yes, there are isolated problems everywhere in the world today but limiting our lives because of fear is absurd. Our motto is "Be careful, be wise and have fun."

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isolated indeed

by juanrojo @, Friday, January 26, 2018, 09:36 (116 days ago) @ suztamasopo

Sounds like a beautiful isolated place to run into masked armed men. Just as safe Chicago with a population of 9.5 million as is also often stated.

I think Casa Juan gave a VERY fair and factual report without sensationalism like a warning about a rip tide as an example and to say that we swim there and have never felt any rip tides does not mean that OTHER people should be aware of the POTENTIAL danger or that the rip tide doesn't occur.

I also think Casa Juan gave a VERY fair and factual report without sensationalism when some sensationalism would have been understandable.

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isolated indeed

by Mexalberta @, Friday, January 26, 2018, 09:48 (116 days ago) @ juanrojo

I will have to remember the next time I am in the wrong place at the right time Be Careful Wise and have Fun.
Sound like great last words.

isolated indeed

by Casa Juan @, Friday, January 26, 2018, 10:16 (116 days ago) @ juanrojo

I also hope it was an isolated incident this week. What shocked me most was to see it happen at high noon in front of the community meeting at the puebla. If I was not so shocked read scarred I would have stopped at the community meeting after the bad hombres departed to find out who the masked guys were. Too bad the Lone Ranger doesn t live nearby. Maybe the state police could consider driving that road instead of driving in circles in El Centro?

isolated indeed

by midalake @, Friday, January 26, 2018, 20:15 (115 days ago) @ Casa Juan

I also hope it was an isolated incident this week. What shocked me most was to see it happen at high noon in front of the community meeting at the puebla. If I was not so shocked read scarred I would have stopped at the community meeting after the bad hombres departed to find out who the masked guys were. Too bad the Lone Ranger doesn t live nearby. Maybe the state police could consider driving that road instead of driving in circles in El Centro?

The Lone Ranger is not needed. But a couple of special forces sniper teams could have this chit moped up in a week.

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sad but true

by K&B @, Friday, January 26, 2018, 10:27 (116 days ago) @ Casa Juan

It is probably a good thing that these men didn’t find what they were looking for.

sad but true

by John Redcorn, Monday, January 29, 2018, 12:39 (112 days ago) @ Casa Juan

I may be at the point where I throw in the towel and look for a new spot for the family vacation. I travel that road often when I am in town, family in tow.

Last year on the way back from Barra, we missed a big shootout by mere minutes on the main drag near Achotes. Marines shooting bad guys, bad guys shooting back, flipped car and road closed for hours. This was in the middle of the day, not 4AM.

I have been championing the area for years as a safe family location. While I feel if you stick to the tourist area, no issues would be expected but that is not the nature of my ideal vacation. I like to get around and explore....somewhere new I am starting to fear.

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sad but true

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, January 29, 2018, 13:50 (112 days ago) @ John Redcorn

I may be at the point where I throw in the towel and look for a new spot for the family vacation. I travel that road often when I am in town, family in tow.

Last year on the way back from Barra, we missed a big shootout by mere minutes on the main drag near Achotes. Marines shooting bad guys, bad guys shooting back, flipped car and road closed for hours. This was in the middle of the day, not 4AM.

I have been championing the area for years as a safe family location. While I feel if you stick to the tourist area, no issues would be expected but that is not the nature of my ideal vacation. I like to get around and explore....somewhere new I am starting to fear.

#Sad

I'm almost amazed that people seem unaware that it has always been like this here. Especially in the outlying sparsely populated areas. The only thing that has changed is that the USA's stupid proxy "War On Drugs" keeps taking out the capos who are of course always replaced by more violent and ruthless people, because as some wise person once said VIOLENCE BEGETS VIOLENCE. The unwinnable "War On Drugs" long ago was responsible for more deaths than otherwise would have occurred consuming the stupidly banned popular substances in the first place. There is no moral justification to continue this failed policy, but then we all know that the policy is likely to continue especially with The Chump and his racist private prison profiteer Jeff Sessions calling the shots. As much as it bothers some folks to admit it, the violence in Guerrero is directly related to the U.S. consumption of stupidly banned substances and the bad laws that empower violent organized criminals, unscrupulous bankers and corrupt public servants. Legalize the whole spectrum of popular recreational substances and remove the multi-billion dollars a year profits from the violent organized criminals and things will improve greatly.

sad but true

by John Redcorn, Monday, January 29, 2018, 14:50 (112 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I may be at the point where I throw in the towel and look for a new spot for the family vacation. I travel that road often when I am in town, family in tow.

Last year on the way back from Barra, we missed a big shootout by mere minutes on the main drag near Achotes. Marines shooting bad guys, bad guys shooting back, flipped car and road closed for hours. This was in the middle of the day, not 4AM.

I have been championing the area for years as a safe family location. While I feel if you stick to the tourist area, no issues would be expected but that is not the nature of my ideal vacation. I like to get around and explore....somewhere new I am starting to fear.

#Sad


I'm almost amazed that people seem unaware that it has always been like this here. Especially in the outlying sparsely populated areas. The only thing that has changed is that the USA's stupid proxy "War On Drugs" keeps taking out the capos who are of course always replaced by more violent and ruthless people, because as some wise person once said VIOLENCE BEGETS VIOLENCE. The unwinnable "War On Drugs" long ago was responsible for more deaths than otherwise would have occurred consuming the stupidly banned popular substances in the first place. There is no moral justification to continue this failed policy, but then we all know that the policy is likely to continue especially with The Chump and his racist private prison profiteer Jeff Sessions calling the shots. As much as it bothers some folks to admit it, the violence in Guerrero is directly related to the U.S. consumption of stupidly banned substances and the bad laws that empower violent organized criminals, unscrupulous bankers and corrupt public servants. Legalize the whole spectrum of popular recreational substances and remove the multi-billion dollars a year profits from the violent organized criminals and things will improve greatly.

Rob, I think you confirmed my belief. The replacements seem to be getting more violent and ruthless, and that is a change I think is pretty clear. I would throw indiscriminate in there as well, and that is the part of the equation that is giving me pause.

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sad but true

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, January 29, 2018, 18:08 (112 days ago) @ John Redcorn

I may be at the point where I throw in the towel and look for a new spot for the family vacation. I travel that road often when I am in town, family in tow.

Last year on the way back from Barra, we missed a big shootout by mere minutes on the main drag near Achotes. Marines shooting bad guys, bad guys shooting back, flipped car and road closed for hours. This was in the middle of the day, not 4AM.

I have been championing the area for years as a safe family location. While I feel if you stick to the tourist area, no issues would be expected but that is not the nature of my ideal vacation. I like to get around and explore....somewhere new I am starting to fear.

#Sad


I'm almost amazed that people seem unaware that it has always been like this here. Especially in the outlying sparsely populated areas. The only thing that has changed is that the USA's stupid proxy "War On Drugs" keeps taking out the capos who are of course always replaced by more violent and ruthless people, because as some wise person once said VIOLENCE BEGETS VIOLENCE. The unwinnable "War On Drugs" long ago was responsible for more deaths than otherwise would have occurred consuming the stupidly banned popular substances in the first place. There is no moral justification to continue this failed policy, but then we all know that the policy is likely to continue especially with The Chump and his racist private prison profiteer Jeff Sessions calling the shots. As much as it bothers some folks to admit it, the violence in Guerrero is directly related to the U.S. consumption of stupidly banned substances and the bad laws that empower violent organized criminals, unscrupulous bankers and corrupt public servants. Legalize the whole spectrum of popular recreational substances and remove the multi-billion dollars a year profits from the violent organized criminals and things will improve greatly.


Rob, I think you confirmed my belief. The replacements seem to be getting more violent and ruthless, and that is a change I think is pretty clear. I would throw indiscriminate in there as well, and that is the part of the equation that is giving me pause.

They have always been violent. By "more violent" I mean that previously they just shot someone and sometimes left a message or cartulina. Now they chop them into pieces while they're alive and film it and upload it to the social media. When there's "collateral damage" like the U.S. biker who was killed near here on his way to South America it of course gets disproportionate attention, but as far as bad guys driving around on back roads as described in the original post, that has always been going on here since way before my first visit to Zihuatanejo in '74 when besides the drug cartels the "bad guys" were also government troops. Thanks to the increased persecution of the narcos back during L'il Bush there has been near perpetual warring between them for over a decade now as they jostle for a piece of the multi-billion dollar pie each time a capo is caught. This is the war the USA refuses to fight on its own turf because they quickly learned back in the 70's after Nixon stupidly declared the "War On Drugs" that it's a bloody endless war with no winners, only losers.

sad but true

by bobnamy @, Monday, January 29, 2018, 14:25 (112 days ago) @ John Redcorn

Is this the main road between Majahua and La Saladitas?

sad but true

by zkaliman, Tuesday, January 30, 2018, 02:10 (112 days ago) @ John Redcorn

I'm with you 100% john. your a wise man. be brave. its ok to leave, if its a bad deal for you, its a bad deal. no ones going to hate you. good on ya ! in fact I wouldn't pause, I would fast forward - I did, I found this really cool place in mexico with an international airport, great warm water, same great friendly Mexicans like here in zihua, inculcated with importance of keeping environment clean. I come to zihua because I bought something I shouldntve bought and fir the moment stuck with it and I have relatives here-but ive greatly reduced my comings. aw man its lovely over there. there I felt like the first time I started to come to zihua long ago. I think you would love it as you like to adventure out. already know where the locals go eat and establishing new crowd and new go-to spots. Heres to new beginnings. and what says you cant come back and visit the zihua crowd. remember to send pictures. Cheers !!!

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kinda of off topic, but for the life of me could not figure out why the hell all this drug trade was happening of all places HERE, couldn't they have picked another place, like a god forsaken desert somewhere in middle of nowhere. wondered for a long time, then I saw a show on Afghanistan and drug trade going on for long time there because the mountains help hide their crops - and well zihua has the sierra madre mountains and also can hide crop production. imo zihua mountain region is like Afghanistan mountains good for production so that's why people fight for this area - and local mountains aren't going anywhere and if drug use continues-then this area will always have this situation.

sad but true

by Canada1 @, Tuesday, January 30, 2018, 05:33 (112 days ago) @ zkaliman

Buenos Dias, and where is this place you have found?

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Interested

by Hunter-MX ⌂ @, Troncones, Gro. Mexico, Tuesday, January 30, 2018, 09:12 (112 days ago) @ zkaliman

I to am interested in where this new "Paradise" is here in Mexico that is untouched by the current unrest surrounding the drug trade. After so many years here, maybe a change is in our future as well, though I suspect such a place does not exist.

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Interested

by Casa Juan @, Tuesday, January 30, 2018, 11:30 (111 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

Sorry but it was not me who started the thread who has found a new paradise. For better or worse I am too invested in Zihua environs to completely pull out. I have hope and a little confidence that as long as the people here remain decent it will work out. Esta bien!

Interested

by zkaliman, Wednesday, January 31, 2018, 02:18 (111 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

but au contrair mon ami it does exist, i was there recently for a month.withdrawals from my bank statement tell me so.

id give yall a hint but everyone here on the message board is very sharp and youd figure it out. im trying to be as general about the place as possible- im keeping this to myself - but really its not a secret, plenty of people go there- i mean its got an international airport.

for a while i did do a lot of research on google and was on different message boards of different mexican beach places and just couldnt find any "new" place for me in mexico, during that time i never actually visited any "new" place in mexico, just a lot of reading on the internet and no place clicked- then, i did decide, for my quest, to travel, and i went, over the span of a few years, to try out, colombia,peru,cuba, costa rica, panama, belize all beach places, but they didnt quite hit the spot- i mean i was "raised" on zihua so kinda zihua spoiled. kinda gave up after a long while.

then recently a relative of mine i hadnt seen in a while invited me to go visit in mexico - so i said sure, flew into the airport and like i said it was grand - id really had given up looking, the only reason i went there was just to visit the relative - so it was kinda just lucky coincidence id stumbled into this mexican beach town.

i even bumped into an acquaintance from zihua there, he decided to leave zihua and now lives there, he said he was happy as a clam there.

dont despair, there are many many many beach towns in mexico, not just this particular place i mention where it gave me that "peaceful easy feeling", it couldve easily been another beach town in mexico, just gotta go and check em out yourself and see how you feel.maybe it was just the "change that did me good". but yes the difference is palpable.
Cheers !!!

Interested

by Canada1 @, Wednesday, January 31, 2018, 05:26 (111 days ago) @ zkaliman
edited by Canada1, Wednesday, January 31, 2018, 05:44

Dear sir, your "yarn" is very amusing! :bravo: But maybe the Disney Corp. has built somewhere in Mexico now!

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by Scott, Playa del Carmen, Quintana Roo, Mexico, Wednesday, January 31, 2018, 08:56 (111 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

Yucatan. Progreso, or for those interested in legit fishing villages, places like Celestun or Ria Lagartos. In Campeche there's some small sea side towns as well, and I don't hear about much drug war stuff happening there either.

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by Sandy feet, Wednesday, January 31, 2018, 09:08 (111 days ago) @ Scott

A friend of mine loves, Progreso.

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by Mexalberta @, Wednesday, January 31, 2018, 09:15 (111 days ago) @ Scott

We are in that area in the spring, have gone for 14 years now. The only downside of Progesso is the whole city of Merida comes to the beach on the weekend. But it is their beach and we are guests.

sad but true

by Chiboy, Tuesday, January 30, 2018, 10:38 (112 days ago) @ Casa Juan

Chicago Comparisons: Crime & shootings are not new in Chicago but statistially the murder rate is much lower than here. Notwithstanding, the shootings in Chicago are primarily located in specific crime/gang areas. You would never go there intentionally and put yourself at risk. Unfortunately here the crime is coming to you. Sad.

sad but true

by midalake @, Wednesday, January 31, 2018, 08:22 (111 days ago) @ Chiboy

Chicago Comparisons: Crime & shootings are not new in Chicago but statistially the murder rate is much lower than here. Notwithstanding, the shootings in Chicago are primarily located in specific crime/gang areas. You would never go there intentionally and put yourself at risk. Unfortunately here the crime is coming to you. Sad.

No Doubt you have an interest to defend your hometown Chiboy. But stating the "crime is coming you" is off base and a lie at best, but I will only base that on my 29 years of coming here.

Most of the crime here is like Chi town. Happening on the skirts and at times when the normal person is sleeping. Not sure how you can proclaim anything is "better" with an article like below.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/02/us/chicago-murder-rate-2016-visual-guide/index.html

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Which Road is this?

by bobnamy @, Wednesday, January 31, 2018, 14:38 (110 days ago) @ Casa Juan

C.Juan, is the road you are referring to the main route of travel between Majahua and Las Saladitas? And I assume Las Saladitas is the surfing village up there?