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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, September 03, 2018, 13:16 (73 days ago)

If it hadn't been for watching a terrific Formula 1 race from Monza, Italy yesterday morning it would've been easy to sleep late. Now that the rains have finally broken the canícula weather pattern our evenings are cooler for sleeping.

But since I was up for the race, once it was over I went up to our rooftop for a stretch and saw that our portulaca was still blooming, so I thought I'd snatch a shot.

Crimson portulaca & clover
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Then after tending to a few chores it was off to Ixtapa for la comida with our daughter and grandson at our house in Retorno de las Garzas, one of the oldest sections of Ixtapa. I know of no other property in Ixtapa more "jungled" than our own, which also makes it hard to photograph since there aren't really any wide open spaces. But by combining about 5 photos I finally managed to capture an image of our 50' or so tall travellers palms, among the largest I've seen anywhere.
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Last evening at the pier was magical as usual. Lots of folks were there enjoying it with us including a gringo from Houston named Al. Not many gringos around at this time of year. Al seemed like he was having a great time.
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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Monday, September 03, 2018, 13:25 (73 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Nice pictures, as usual. What's the story about those walls?

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by Talley Ho @, Monday, September 03, 2018, 13:29 (73 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Glad you captured the rainbow! Thanks

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by hromero ⌂ @, Monday, September 03, 2018, 21:58 (73 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Al told me that he had met you. He told me that he had a great time speaking with you and learning about the area. He has been having a great time here on his first visit. I think he will be back again to our little bit of paradise :-)

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by 1945gypsy ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, Tuesday, September 04, 2018, 12:43 (72 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Outstanding! Thanks for sharing. It's getting closer... coming early this year because there's no better place to be. Now if we could just get rid of drunks and trash and strays, all would be perfect :)

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by mexicoman @, Mérida, Yucatán, Tuesday, September 04, 2018, 15:36 (72 days ago) @ 1945gypsy

I'm very curious. Drunks are mentioned frequently here. What is the problem? What are they doing? We have lived in many places where people go to vacation - San Fran, Miami Beach, San Juan, PR, Playa Del Carmen, Cancun - drunks were never a problem. Can someone enlighten me on what is happening in Zihua and who exactly is doing it? It just seems odd that this would come up so often. Is the liquor stronger there??? Can't be the altitude you're at sea level. Please educate me.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Tuesday, September 04, 2018, 23:48 (72 days ago) @ mexicoman

Part of the problem is Zihua used to be a very tranquil town. My first stay there I was at Casa Arcadia, right on playa municipal, and by 22:00 it was all quiet. No noise, no music, nothing. You wanted to go out, you had to go a few blocks away and most of the bars in the area were closing at a decent time. If you wanted to go out later, Ixtapa was the place with their nightclubs and the Senor Frogs and a couple other spots closing late. And then things started to change with more and more bars to a point that now they are everywhere and don't care about their neighbours, often playing loud music through the night. Often bars will end up with people being drunk and when you have a multitude of bars in a residential area, you are bound to have issues. I also remember years back going to La Cancha and watching the basketball games. Once the game was over, the local population would go home and the place was deserted. Now you often end up with drunks passing out there and using the place as an open air urinal.

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Wednesday, September 05, 2018, 01:12 (72 days ago) @ cd69

cd69
:megusta:
Exactly, good real-life accurate description of Zi-ality.

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by mexicoman @, Mérida, Yucatán, Wednesday, September 05, 2018, 10:35 (71 days ago) @ cd69

Mexicans being Mexicans in Mexico?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, September 05, 2018, 12:15 (71 days ago) @ mexicoman

Mexicans being Mexicans in Mexico?

Drunks being obnoxious and destructive.

Zihuatanejo has seen a large influx of people from other places bringing their bad habits with them. Hotel and time share workers make up a large part of the young people here, and it seems way too many of them lack good values and principles, so believing they are acting like adults they fall into the all-night-long party and alcohol and drug culture with no consideration for locals or tourists, for families with children or for the decent hard-working people who need to sleep at night so they can work the next day. Couple that with a mostly absent police force and a greedy municipal regulatory agency that issues permit after permit for bars because it's a good source of non-transparent income, and the result is a noisy cacophony and sheer anarchy. Downtown hotels have lost their clients because of the proliferation of noisy bars who no longer close at midnight like the law stipulates but who "buy" extra hours from the municipal regulatory agency. We also now have many bars owned and operated by organized criminals to launder money and sell their wares. And so quite a bit of Zihuatanejo's former peace, tranquility and social harmony goes out the window, and besides losing tourism we also lose some of our warmth and happiness that were part of our attraction along with our natural beauty. My car would still look brand new if it hadn't been kicked in almost every part by rowdy drunks in recent years. Residents and business wake up to crap and urine in their doorways. The main plaza's gazebo is a hotel for drunk vagabonds. One was even caught trying to carry away a sea turtle recently. If we can't lick this problem then the good and decent people will continue moving away from Zihuatanejo and it will continue deteriorating because no one will be left who cares about or who loves Zihuatanejo. As it is most folks now living here have no sense of community or Zihuatanejo's history. And that's a damn shame because it is certainly worth preserving and appreciating. What the hell is the point of development or progress if there is no community preserved? I watched this happen up and down Florida, and it never ends well for locals who allow outsiders to overrun and displace them in their communities.


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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Wednesday, September 05, 2018, 13:30 (71 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:

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by mexicoman @, Mérida, Yucatán, Wednesday, September 05, 2018, 18:34 (71 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

That is a sad commentary. It answers my original question, although my comment about Mexicans being Mexicans in Mexico was admittedly tongue in cheek and an attempt at humor I guess it was in poor taste.. You have serious problems that I am sorry to hear about. We are arriving this weekend to look for a place to live full time in Zihua. Perhaps we should focus on enjoying our first visit to Zihua and rethink our original plan.

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by Talley Ho @, Wednesday, September 05, 2018, 18:41 (71 days ago) @ mexicoman

We've been thinking about you and your condo search since this thread started.

Hopefully there will be a lot more input, but it seems as though the problem is in centro. There aren't condos there, and the bars seem to come and go and their times of loudness, too.

We think it's depends upon your neighborhood, like anywhere, including Merida. We live on Playa la Ropa, right next door to a "notorious" concert venue. We have been here a year. They schedule events on Friday nights, and we have to admit that we always pull out our earplugs on Friday. I have never had to use mine, and he has used his once, that's in a year.

Hopefully you will have enough time and energy to explore various neighborhoods, specifically Playa Madera and Playa la Ropa, both homes to a number of great condos in great areas.

Welcome to paradise, we hope it works for you!

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by mexicoman @, Mérida, Yucatán, Wednesday, September 05, 2018, 18:55 (71 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Thanks we are coming with an open mind.

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by Casa Juan @, Wednesday, September 05, 2018, 23:58 (71 days ago) @ mexicoman

you don't have to live in Ixtapa or in any of the gringo enclaves in Zihua. There are plenty of good neighborhoods in Zihua where you can feel comfortable even though English may not be commonly spoken and there are a few more stray dogs than in gated communities.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, September 05, 2018, 19:05 (71 days ago) @ mexicoman

That is a sad commentary. It answers my original question, although my comment about Mexicans being Mexicans in Mexico was admittedly tongue in cheek and an attempt at humor I guess it was in poor taste.. You have serious problems that I am sorry to hear about. We are arriving this weekend to look for a place to live full time in Zihua. Perhaps we should focus on enjoying our first visit to Zihua and rethink our original plan.

I prefer to see it as Zihuatanejo being in a slump due to poor governance. Fortunately the old municipal government is on the way out, it's only saving grace being the interim mayor who took over after the mayor sought and lost reelection. He did the best he could with the crumbs left to him including fixing the canal near our home where a huge hole had formed in its wall threatening to break and cause massive flooding during a major storm. But the municipal police force was left in ruins after years of neglect and is now only up to half strength with state, federal and military forces already stretched thin trying to make up the slack, but nothing beats having local cops who know the area.

I expect the incoming mayor will hit the ground running on October 1st when he takes office. Unlike the last couple of mayors, he's a born-here local with lots of local family who are all counting on him to fix what is broken. One of his biggest obstacles will be the massive debt he'll inherit, and there's just not much to be done about that except do the best he can and hopefully find funds and enlist the right people to help him do a good job.

The incoming federal government doesn't take office until December 1st. The state government has passed a motion and sent it tol the newly installed Congreso to legalize opium production. If we can also get cannabis legalized it will help level the playing field between the police/military and organized criminals who currently can spend around 10 million for every million the government can spend. Instead of fighting the USA's proxy war on drugs lots of smart Mexicans including the Presidente-electo López Obrador and at least one former president believe making tax-paying legal businessmen out of the cartel operators is a helluva lot smarter move than continuing to repeat the same old failed policies over and over while expecting a different result. I agree. It will help level the playing field so the police can get a grip on the rest of the organized criminals responsible for other crimes like extortion, theft and kidnappings.

It will take time, but if things work out then locally and nationally things will improve and we should see a steady rise in the quality of life throughout the country. That's what the Presidente-electo's job is and he knows it. And our new mayor also knows it's no longer business as usual, that he has to deliver. So I'm cautiously optimistic that better times are in the near future.


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by hromero ⌂ @, Thursday, September 06, 2018, 08:54 (70 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Well said Rob. I 100% agree.

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by HolyMole @, Thursday, September 06, 2018, 21:24 (70 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

That is a sad commentary. It answers my original question, although my comment about Mexicans being Mexicans in Mexico was admittedly tongue in cheek and an attempt at humor I guess it was in poor taste.. You have serious problems that I am sorry to hear about. We are arriving this weekend to look for a place to live full time in Zihua. Perhaps we should focus on enjoying our first visit to Zihua and rethink our original plan.


I prefer to see it as Zihuatanejo being in a slump due to poor governance. Fortunately the old municipal government is on the way out, it's only saving grace being the interim mayor who took over after the mayor sought and lost reelection. He did the best he could with the crumbs left to him including fixing the canal near our home where a huge hole had formed in its wall threatening to break and cause massive flooding during a major storm. But the municipal police force was left in ruins after years of neglect and is now only up to half strength with state, federal and military forces already stretched thin trying to make up the slack, but nothing beats having local cops who know the area.

I expect the incoming mayor will hit the ground running on October 1st when he takes office. Unlike the last couple of mayors, he's a born-here local with lots of local family who are all counting on him to fix what is broken. One of his biggest obstacles will be the massive debt he'll inherit, and there's just not much to be done about that except do the best he can and hopefully find funds and enlist the right people to help him do a good job.

The incoming federal government doesn't take office until December 1st. The state government has passed a motion and sent it tol the newly installed Congreso to legalize opium production. If we can also get cannabis legalized it will help level the playing field between the police/military and organized criminals who currently can spend around 10 million for every million the government can spend. Instead of fighting the USA's proxy war on drugs lots of smart Mexicans including the Presidente-electo López Obrador and at least one former president believe making tax-paying legal businessmen out of the cartel operators is a helluva lot smarter move than continuing to repeat the same old failed policies over and over while expecting a different result. I agree. It will help level the playing field so the police can get a grip on the rest of the organized criminals responsible for other crimes like extortion, theft and kidnappings.

It will take time, but if things work out then locally and nationally things will improve and we should see a steady rise in the quality of life throughout the country. That's what the Presidente-electo's job is and he knows it. And our new mayor also knows it's no longer business as usual, that he has to deliver. So I'm cautiously optimistic that better times are in the near future.


https://youtu.be/nJHEVCJc5xw

You know how I hate to stir things up.....but just a comment on the widespread belief that legalization of some drugs, especially marijuana, will get rid of the criminal element:

With legalization of marijuana fast approaching here in Canada, our CBC has been providing some surprising information from jurisdictions that have already legalized, such as Colorado. There, the criminal element has reportedly moved IN, in a big way....rather than the opposite.

As for "making tax-paying legal businessmen out of cartel operators".....good luck with that.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, September 06, 2018, 23:23 (70 days ago) @ HolyMole

It’s quite simple and I regret you find it complicated. We already have several excellent examples of how legalization and regulation make trafficking unprofitable. You don’t drink bootleg booze because it’s kegal and easily available at affordable prices, and like most people you prefer to buy a quality product you trust won’t poison you. It’s a no-brainer that’s been discussed here ad nauseum so feel free to review the previous discussions or see the extensive literature available on the Net. Less income for violent criminals levels the playing field and allows the police to get a grip on local and regional crime.

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by HolyMole @, Thursday, September 06, 2018, 23:33 (70 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

It’s quite simple and I regret you find it complicated. We already have several excellent examples of how legalization and regulation make trafficking unprofitable. You don’t drink bootleg booze because it’s kegal and easily available at affordable prices, and like most people you prefer to buy a quality product you trust won’t poison you. It’s a no-brainer that’s been discussed here ad nauseum so feel free to review the previous discussions or see the extensive literature available on the Net. Less income for violent criminals levels the playing field and allows the police to get a grip on local and regional crime.

Don't shoot! I'm just the messenger. Virtually everyone the CBC interviewed in Colorado.....man-in-the-street, law enforcement, politicians and those involved in the pot business.... all agreed that organized crime activity there has increased with legalization. Be nice if it wasn't so. Seems parallels with booze may not apply.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, September 07, 2018, 08:28 (69 days ago) @ HolyMole

Don't shoot! I'm just the messenger. Virtually everyone the CBC interviewed in Colorado.....man-in-the-street, law enforcement, politicians and those involved in the pot business.... all agreed that organized crime activity there has increased with legalization. Be nice if it wasn't so. Seems parallels with booze may not apply.

CBC interviews. Well now there's a real scientific method.

Here's what professionals say about the 5% statistical rise in crime since 2014 (a barely significant statistic):
"The Denver Police say the data is inconclusive.
"[Property crime is] the biggest driver of our [overall] crime, and of our increases. So, can you attribute that to marijuana? I don't think you can," said Denver Police Commander James Henning. "The data isn't there."

Thanks to the continuing stupid and counterproductive federal opposition to a sensible adult approach, pot dispensaries can only operate in cash, putting them and the people who handle their money, including buyers, at greater risk of being easy targets for criminals.

And thanks to the fact that the state was all by itself for years, of course it's going to attract all kind of folks, savory and unsavory, just like every other place that was a starting point for future enterprises from the US territorial land grabs to the gold rush to Hollywood to Las Vegas to Disney World to Silicon Valley. The sudden influx of new people anywhere, just like here in Zihuatanejo, always causes a rise in crime.

Cutting the main source of income to organized criminal enterprises is an essential first step to combating the crime and the violence associated with those criminal organizations. I'm surprised I even have to point this out to you, amigo. Someone's filled your head with some odd notions.

And look, Joe Kennedy went from bootlegger to ambassador and father of a president!


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by midalake @, Wednesday, September 05, 2018, 19:36 (71 days ago) @ mexicoman

That is a sad commentary. It answers my original question, although my comment about Mexicans being Mexicans in Mexico was admittedly tongue in cheek and an attempt at humor I guess it was in poor taste.. You have serious problems that I am sorry to hear about. We are arriving this weekend to look for a place to live full time in Zihua. Perhaps we should focus on enjoying our first visit to Zihua and rethink our original plan.

IXTAPA...;-) ;-)


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