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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, May 20, 2019, 14:20 (92 days ago)

I could smell petrichor even before I opened my eyes this morning. It had just sprinkled. Not much. Couldn't see a drop of it on the streets, but the drops left their mark in the sand on the beach, and the walkway was still glistening and damp in places. I kept thinking the 21st was going to be the day, but I was off by one. It still doesn't really count as the first rain. Only the first sprinkle.

Around 10,000 people showed up for the Triatlón in Ixtapa. Click on my Facebook link below to see some videos and photos of Saturday's event.

Did anyone see this note in the news?
MEXICO WANTS TO DECRIMINALIZE ALL DRUGS AND NEGOTIATE WITH THE U.S. TO DO THE SAME
Although I'm confident I already know what the USA's response will be, at least Mexico's government is showing some signs of sanity here and there.

This was a pretty sight this morning.
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One of my favorite trees.
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by Vicki in Michigan @, Monday, May 20, 2019, 19:51 (92 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Beautiful! Thank you.

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by Aunt Chelada, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 08:27 (91 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

"MEXICO WANTS TO DECRIMINALIZE ALL DRUGS AND NEGOTIATE WITH THE U.S. TO DO THE SAME"

May not be a bad idea. The potential increase in the number of overdoses would be a good way to cull the stupid.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 09:46 (91 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

"MEXICO WANTS TO DECRIMINALIZE ALL DRUGS AND NEGOTIATE WITH THE U.S. TO DO THE SAME"

May not be a bad idea. The potential increase in the number of overdoses would be a good way to cull the stupid.

You don't appear very up-to-date on the subject. Everywhere this has been done has seen a decrease in overdoses, abuse, and associated crimes. Alcohilism and related issues also drops.

This is one of the more concise easier to read academic articles on the subject. While there are articles that claim the contrary, the ones i've seen are cooked "studies" designed to "conclude" what the author sought to find at the outset, i.e. academically invalid conservative propaganda.

Have We Lost The War On Drugs?

A more in-depth study, if you're up for it, is this one:
WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM THE PORTUGUESE DECRIMINALIZATION OF ILLICIT DRUGS?

Of course, simple common sense offers the obvious fact that more people are suffering and dying from the prohibition of stupidly banned recreational substances than from the substances themselves, and I take that argument one step further and claim that even if all those substances had been legal and everyone used them, there would still be less deaths from substance use. So what is killing people isn't so much substance use as prohibition and the failed but extremely violent "war on drugs." But all the folks who argue continuing the long failed policy based on moral grounds apparently can't and won't reconcile that last very important fact. The damn Puritan mentality (again) that their morality justifies everything else. Absurd!

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by Aunt Chelada, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 09:55 (91 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I'm always willing to learn. So tell me why someone would use less and avoid overdosing if the substance is legal, readily available and most likely cheaper?

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 10:57 (91 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

I'm always willing to learn. So tell me why someone would use less and avoid overdosing if the substance is legal, readily available and most likely cheaper?


It boils down to quality control. With street duge there is none. Most street drugs are adulterated, most commonly with Fentanyl. It's an attempt by the seller to give more bang for the buck, but the end user has no way of knowing exactly what drug(s) they are actually using. In a 30 year career as an emergency doc, the overdoses I saw were almost all unintentional. Were drugs of abuse manufactured by reputable pharmaceutical companies(I know an oxymoron), and certifeid by USP, the user could more accurately caibrate their dose, resulting in fewer ODs. Mind you I am not necessariy in favor of leagilzing everything, but it is clear that our current approach is not working.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 11:07 (91 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

I'm always willing to learn. So tell me why someone would use less and avoid overdosing if the substance is legal, readily available and most likely cheaper?

Most people are neither abusers nor addicts. If you read the studies, limited as they are, a pattern that repeats itself is a short-term spike in use, then a drop. In country after country where decriminalization or legalization has been instituted for at least some substances. And all the associated social costs also decline while worker productivity and economic output increase. It's a no-brainer obviously except for the folks who think they are Puritans entitled to dictate morality to others, exemplified below by Dave's comment. Dave only does booze, tobacco and pharmaceuticals, though I suspect he likes sugar, too, one of the most dangerous drugs of all. B-)

Why would anyone use more of a substance they already have access to just because it's legal or decriminalized? I don't see the connection. When I drink illegal booze I drink the same amount of alcohol as when I drink legal booze. I still have to live a functional life, do my work and pay my bills. Nothing changes.

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by midalake @, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 11:25 (91 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I'm always willing to learn. So tell me why someone would use less and avoid overdosing if the substance is legal, readily available and most likely cheaper?


Most people are neither abusers nor addicts. If you read the studies, limited as they are, a pattern that repeats itself is a short-term spike in use, then a drop. In country after country where decriminalization or legalization has been instituted for at least some substances. And all the associated social costs also decline while worker productivity and economic output increase. It's a no-brainer obviously except for the folks who think they are Puritans entitled to dictate morality to others, exemplified below by Dave's comment. Dave only does booze, tobacco and pharmaceuticals, though I suspect he likes sugar, too, one of the most dangerous drugs of all. B-)

Why would anyone use more of a substance they already have access to just because it's legal or decriminalized? I don't see the connection. When I drink illegal booze I drink the same amount of alcohol as when I drink legal booze. I still have to live a functional life, do my work and pay my bills. Nothing changes.


Instead of telling us it works Rob. POST these studies and SHOW us how great it is!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 11:41 (91 days ago) @ midalake

Instead of telling us it works Rob. POST these studies and SHOW us how great it is!

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I just did in one of my previous posts here. You must need more CAFFEINE.

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by midalake @, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 10:08 (91 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

"MEXICO WANTS TO DECRIMINALIZE ALL DRUGS AND NEGOTIATE WITH THE U.S. TO DO THE SAME"

May not be a bad idea. The potential increase in the number of overdoses would be a good way to cull the stupid.


You don't appear very up-to-date on the subject. Everywhere this has been done has seen a decrease in overdoses, abuse, and associated crimes. Alcohilism and related issues also drops.

This is one of the more concise easier to read academic articles on the subject. While there are articles that claim the contrary, the ones i've seen are cooked "studies" designed to "conclude" what the author sought to find at the outset, i.e. academically invalid conservative propaganda.

Have We Lost The War On Drugs?

A more in-depth study, if you're up for it, is this one:
WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM THE PORTUGUESE DECRIMINALIZATION OF ILLICIT DRUGS?

Of course, simple common sense offers the obvious fact that more people are suffering and dying from the prohibition of stupidly banned recreational substances than from the substances themselves, and I take that argument one step further and claim that even if all those substances had been legal and everyone used them, there would still be less deaths from substance use. So what is killing people isn't so much substance use as prohibition and the failed but extremely violent "war on drugs." But all the folks who argue continuing the long failed policy based on moral grounds apparently can't and won't reconcile that last very important fact. The damn Puritan mentality (again) that their morality justifies everything else. Absurd!


Maybe all the dopers/druggie's should move to the same country? Would it be called utopia? Absurd!

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by hromero ⌂ @, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 14:31 (91 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

In addition to the comments and links made by others, I would like to share this link which shows that not only has our "war on drugs" not reduced drug use but it has actually increased as a percentage of the population. Regardless of whether you think a specific proposal will solve the problem or not, it is clear that the U.S. current strategies are failing not only its own citizens but the world as well.

I choose this site because it is based on real studies and funded in large part by the "Bill and Melinda gates foundation" whose motivations I consider to be largely neutral and wanting to tackle problems based strictly on the facts. The interactive graphs are also quite interesting and easy to comprehend.

Drug usage in the U.S. over time

If you want an example of how drugs might be better tackled, look no further than tobacco usage. Once a ubiquitous habit in the U.S., it is now much less so and it was achieved through education and treatment, not prohibition. Those who still wish to smoke tobacco may do so with the only restrictions being on how they impact those around them.

Saludos!

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by Aunt Chelada, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 14:58 (91 days ago) @ hromero

Your reference to tobacco usage is another reason not to support the legalization of drugs. We already pay enough for heath care without having to subsidize more poor choices.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/economics/econ.../index.htm

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by hromero ⌂ @, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:04 (91 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

And you aren't paying for the healthcare of drug overdoses and other health problems associated with drug use? Whether you live in Canada, the U.S. or Mexico you are paying for those things regardless of whether or not they are legal. You either pay through taxes or through higher medical bills when you go for your own medical care.

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by Aunt Chelada, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:28 (91 days ago) @ hromero

My point exactly. We are already paying and "would be paying more". More crack babies, more birth defects, in addition to many other ailments contributed drug use,

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by hromero ⌂ @, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 16:35 (91 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

The data I presented would suggest otherwise. Tobacco use declined not because it was prohibited but because we invested in education. The United States has been prohibiting drugs for the last 40+ years and the data suggests that it hasn't lowered drug usage in the U.S. and it has even increased some as a percentage of the population. The data would seem to suggest that prohibition has little impact on the level of drug abuse and that legalization along with education would likely have a better chance of reducing all of the maladies you mentioned.

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by Sandy feet, Seattle, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 16:39 (91 days ago) @ hromero

Yes! I agree 100%. :bravo:

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by Aunt Chelada, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 17:33 (91 days ago) @ hromero

Cigarettes are $4-$5 a pack, up from what, 50 cents to a dollar? Think thT had anything to do with the decline?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 18:51 (91 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

Cigarettes are $4-$5 a pack, up from what, 50 cents to a dollar? Think thT had anything to do with the decline?

No, not a damn thing. Only increased hardship for poor smokers. When I smoked I bought cigs no matter what the cost, and I didn't smoke a single one less. If it was 4 o'clock in the morning, and I was whacked out of my mind on HEAVY FUEL and I needed smokes I'd go to whatever store and pay whatever.

But then again, the overwhelming majority of users of any substance, legal or not, are neither addicts nor abusers. So again, your fear that all of a sudden addicts will be everywhere like the zombies in some terrible movie is an unrealistic portrayal of the situation.

This really is a no-brainer. I almost can't believe I'm hearing some of these excuses for continuing with the failed policy that hasn't ever worked. But hey, it's mostly brown-skinned people in other countries suffering and dying, except for all those white opiate and meth addicts across the USA. So which Walter White do you prefer in your neighborhood? The school professor or the meth producer? If you want the meth producer keep them illegal. Millions of smugglers, corrupt public servants, violent organized criminals and slimebag bankers will love you as will the alcohol, tobacco and drug companies. Especially the tobacco, alcohol and drug companies who don't want any competition, especially substances that will interfere with the addictions THEY are responsible for.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result." Some Smart Fella

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by Aunt Chelada, Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 08:09 (90 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Applying the same logic of legalizing drugs to "rape, sex trafficking and child abuse" which have been going on since man walked this planet, we should legalize those horrendous crimes and just rely on education to solve and stop them.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 09:27 (90 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

Applying the same logic of legalizing drugs to "rape, sex trafficking and child abuse" which have been going on since man walked this planet, we should legalize those horrendous crimes and just rely on education to solve and stop them.

That's a fallacious comparison and dubious logic. And most of that sex trafficking is to supply the US market along with tourist markets around the world, and Alabama, along with several other "red states", just basically gave its tacit seal of approval to rape and incest with a form of Sharia Law.

The lesson of Prohibition was quite clear and easy to comprehend, yet the entire world, especially the USA, worked damn hard to ignore it thanks to lobbying by Big Pharma, Big Tobacco and Big Alcohol. Banning booze, a popular recreational substance used by millions of citizens to relax, caused the growth of violent organized mafias that took roughly 40 years to get under control after Prohibition ended. Even more damage has been done to society by the banning of pot, cocaine, opiates and similarly used recreational substances. Prohibition 2.0, instituted almost worldwide at the insistence of the USA via the UN and other methods, has caused the growth of the same violent organized criminals to supply the multi-billion dollar a year market. The Chump is basing his entire election campaign on inducing his cult followers to hate the refugees fleeing the violence that is a direct result of this failed policy. The saddest thing of all is to see that almost half the US population has fallen for his con.

If you haven't already watched it, the Netflix series "Narcos" depicts quite faithfully how the USA imposed its failed policy causing massive violence and almost the complete failure of the government in first Colombia and later Mexico. You can thank the DEA and the CIA for practically forcing Mexico's pot traffickers to take control of the cocaine trade. And you can thank your good friends the Chinese for all the fentanyl and meth flooding into the USA. I don't believe gringos appreciate how much the Chinese are involved in drug trafficking. Their stated goal of course, in case you missed it when they declared it decades ago, is to beat the USA at their own game without having to fire a single shot. And it's working. And the USA is playing its own dirty game with Prohibition because it justifies the existence of billions of dollars in budgets for numerous agencies and thousands of personnel and the associated hardware they "need" to do their invented jobs. Don't forget Iran-Contra or make the mistake of believing it was an isolated incident. Dope flows north. Guns flow south. A nice and tidy arrangement thanks much to the NRA and people like Ollie North.

And now the Secretary of Education's brother, the mercenary owner of Blackwater, one of numerous mercenary groups employed widely by the US government to do dirty work military personnel are prohibited from doing, is facing murder charges. Any bets whether he gets off or not?

This is the rabbit hole the US federal government and the special interest groups it favors have led the USA down. One can only imagine how much worse all this is getting with this absurd Chump administration and its very stable genius who has alienated US allies while empowering Russia, China and North Korea more than ever before.

Time to wake up, Alice.

A bit dated but still a real eye opener: The CIA, Contras, Gangs, and Crack

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Friday, May 24, 2019, 19:41 (88 days ago) @ hromero

100% correct! I wish more people would realize this instead of that unrealistic fear of legalization. I remember all these people that were freaking out in Canada because we were going to legalize pot. The country has not turned into chaos because of it and the more education and money spent on research will only help.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Friday, May 24, 2019, 19:37 (88 days ago) @ hromero

:megusta:

Very true and a good choice for a balanced study...

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by JeffMN ⌂ @, Minneapolis MN USA, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 10:59 (91 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Lovely shots, Rob. Thanks for all you do to help folks like me keep one foot in Zihua as we wend our ways through the "real" world.

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by Curly! @, Great Pacific Northwet, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 11:41 (91 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I'm with Doc Timmac, what we're doing now is worthless. I had one brother in law die of an overdose. The heroin he procured was too good, his normal hit killed him. That wouldn't happen with pharmaceuticals. Another brother in law died because he couldn't afford his heart meds. A different topic for discussion but somehow it seems to fit in. Personally I've been a social abuser the better part of my life. Now that I have cancer and can get all the pills I want, I don't really want them much. That tells me that legalization might do good for a whole lot of people.

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by D-Loco, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 14:23 (91 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

MEXICO WANTS TO DECRIMINALIZE ALL DRUGS AND NEGOTIATE WITH THE U.S. TO DO THE SAME

NOB weed from Cali, Colorado and the PNW is making it's way into Mexico. I don't know if makes it as far south as Guerrero but Chihuahua and Sinaloa are certainly enjoying it. I'm sure the Mexican government is well aware of it and is part of the decision to push legalization into the forefront. Lot's of revenue to be had that is being missed out on.

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by Marty, Colorado / Ixtapa, Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 19:49 (91 days ago) @ D-Loco

I doubt much if any pot from Colorado is making it into Mexico. Unless it is illegally grown. Colorado law states that all pot sold in Colorado must be grown in Colorado. Pot producers in Colorado are having enough problems supplying the legal stores. Pot is tracked from seed to plant to store here in Colorado.

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 11:10 (90 days ago) @ Marty

I don't think he was referencing legally grown, sold or transported weed which has decades of underground infrastructure and is in fact cheaper than its legal cousin.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 17:07 (90 days ago) @ mexicoman
edited by frostbite, Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 20:58

Back in the sixties, an ounce of weed cost $10.00. It got you high, or so I'm told, but it certainly doesn't compare in price and quality to what's now available in some states. While visiting San Francisco recently, I went to one of those legal dispensaries, looking for a pain-killing balm which contains some kind of weed extract. Looking around, I saw some jars containing marijuana buds. The only price I recall is for the 4 gram size at $25.00. Assuming that there's no quantity discount, that's $100.00 per ounce. Quite a jump in price, even if the quality is much improved. California's legal hoops one has to jump through are interesting. Outside the entrance I had to show my ID in order to prove that I was over 18. My 80 year old wrinkles weren't enough. Once inside, another ID check and all my info went into the computer. I found the balm and it had to be put into a "child-resistant" bag, even though they told me that an application won't get you high.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 17:33 (90 days ago) @ frostbite

Back in the sixties, an ounce of weed cost $10.00. It got you high, or so I'm told, but it certainly doesn't compare in price and quality to what's now available in some states. While visiting San Francisco recently, I went to one of those legal dispensaries, looking for a pain-killing balm which contains some kind of weed extract. Looking around, I saw some jars containing marijuana buds. The only price I recall is for the 4 gram size at $25.00. Assuming that there's no quantity discount, that's $100.00 per ounce. Quite a jump in price, even if the quality is much improved. California's legal hoops one has to jump through are interesting. Outside the entrance I had to show my ID in order to prove that I was over 18. My 80 year old wrinkles weren't enough. Once inside, another ID check and all my info went into the computer. I found the balm and it had to be put into a "child-resistant" bag, even though they told me that an application won't get you high. I haven't tried it yet; we're still enroute home.

Wonderful story! Especially the part about how you're transporting a controlled substance over state lines. A felony. ¿No? B-)
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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 18:11 (90 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I can't imagine that a joint pain lotion, which happens to contain some hemp extract, is a controlled substance. But if it is, please remove my post.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 18:29 (90 days ago) @ frostbite

I can't imagine that a joint pain lotion, which happens to contain some hemp extract, is a controlled substance. But if it is, please remove my post.

Not to worry. I'll refuse to cooperate with john law. Only I can provide the proof that your post is your post. Just because I lived a few years in the same town as Greg Allman doesn't make me a snitch like him.
:jam:


https://youtu.be/dAt1pZB52qM

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by Curly! @, Great Pacific Northwet, Thursday, May 23, 2019, 11:18 (89 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Undoubtedly he is referring to CBD, no THC extract. It's produced from hemp, which just became legal, on a national level, a month or so ago. No longer a controlled substance. Carry away!

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by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 19:12 (90 days ago) @ frostbite

Fairbanks 1969- a "lid" which was a penny match box full, not good quality, $20 as I recall.

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by Casa Juan @, Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 19:30 (90 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

IMHO the bigger problem in Zihua is the lack of good marijuana. Used to be Mexican kids, young men would try to sell gringos weed in parts of Zihua. This past year I heard of a Mexican asking a gringo for weed. Alaska has had retail marijuana for approximately two years. As far as I can tell, no huge rise in crime or lawlessness. As in Colorado, all grown in the state and all bar coded with the grower's info. Prices are starting to drop a bit but $20 a gram for the high THC varieties is not uncommon. B-)

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by Curly! @, Great Pacific Northwet, Thursday, May 23, 2019, 11:31 (89 days ago) @ Casa Juan

Here in Oregon, the supply exceeded the demand. As in a pound for every man, woman and child in the state. As a result we were seeing $6/gram prices, high quality. I really don't pay attention much, but that story made the news. I grow my own and use almost none. Again, in Oregon, a guy can grow 4 plants at a time. We can possess 8oz. and one in the glove box (on your person). So for my wife and I, we can legally have a pound and a couple of ounces... basically a lifetime supply. I do enjoy growing though, and I enjoy giving it away to my friends who use it more than I do, which is also legal. A stone's throw from here, in WA, they don't let you grow unless you have a medicinal card. You have to buy from the store and pay the taxes. Probably a smarter way to go for the state, but a bummer for the users that prefer to stay legal.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Thursday, May 23, 2019, 18:39 (89 days ago) @ Curly!

A friend of mine, who lives in Washington, recommended the balm that I mentioned in a prior post, made by a company named Ceres. I e-mailed them twice to find out if they had an outlet in Montana that carried their products. No answer. Called twice and nobody picked up the phone. A strange way to conduct a business. They do list outlets in Washington on their website.

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Thursday, May 23, 2019, 10:39 (89 days ago) @ frostbite

If the CBD works for your pain, and it should, next time you're in Zihua you can order it on Mericado Libre. It's legal in Mexico for the last two years. By law it contains less than 1 % THC the compound in weed that gets you high. That is why you were told it would not produce a high.

By the way 4 grams is not a quarter ounce. It is 1/7 of an ounce as an ounce is 28.35 grams. That makes the $100 ounce you reference $177+. Given the quality difference between then and now that is a bargain - no stems, no seeds, no funky smell from the mildew in the bales.

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by victorio, Thursday, May 23, 2019, 13:04 (89 days ago) @ mexicoman
edited by victorio, Thursday, May 23, 2019, 13:28

Hola
I have been taking CBD for years and it has done wonders for me. I used to be on high blood pressure pills, but once I started taking CBD, in the form of Rick Simpsons Phoenix Tears, I no longer needed big pharm drugs. Just a drop of CBD under my tongue once a day.
You can buy it in Zihua at a place on ejido street for about 110 pesos a bottle. It is not Phoenix Tears, but it will do. No need to order it on-line.

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Thursday, May 23, 2019, 13:54 (89 days ago) @ victorio

That is great news! Thanks. I assume it is in Centro. BP meds are terrible for the liver, but a necessary evil. Red yeast rice capsules can drop BP 100 points but for many people that is not enough. A hereditary problem for many. On my way to find it!

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by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Thursday, May 23, 2019, 16:38 (89 days ago) @ mexicoman

Is this the same stuff two grandmothers were detained for at an airport? Was in the news yesterday. They were eventually let go without charges.

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by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Thursday, May 23, 2019, 16:34 (89 days ago) @ victorio

Could you be more specific about the location like "nest to XYZ" or "across the street from ABC", anything referencing a well known landmark location??

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by victorio, Thursday, May 23, 2019, 16:47 (89 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

Hola
I do not know the name of the place, but is on the first block of ejido street. Before you get to Banamex. The store has floor to ceiling herbs and spices. You will miss it if you walk down the street. The CBD is on the shelf behind the cashier.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Thursday, May 23, 2019, 18:43 (89 days ago) @ mexicoman

Sorry, my mistake on the conversion.

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by Helene @, Zih, Thursday, May 23, 2019, 22:00 (89 days ago) @ frostbite

In Zih and Morelia also sell Peyote and cannabis gel. You can find it in the markets.

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Friday, May 24, 2019, 07:34 (88 days ago) @ frostbite

Frostbite - I'm sure that more than once I paid for 7 grams and rec'd something much closer to 4 grams. Maybe your conversion works for some.

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by Aunt Chelada, Friday, May 24, 2019, 07:51 (88 days ago) @ mexicoman

LOL, look at yourselves. For the last 2 days the only subject you had any interest in and posted about on this site, is weed.

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Friday, May 24, 2019, 09:13 (88 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

Yes and let's review what we have learned. A few regular posters on this board have mentioned experience with weed from the 60's to the present. That's a long time. Probably not a passing fad. There is a source for CBD in Centro Zihua. As an oil dropped under the tongue to control high blood pressure. No liver damaging meds - all natural. As a balm to relieve pain such as the pain associated with the muscle spasms due to my wife's scoliosis. No ibuprofen that can damage hearing over time. That's a big deal for many people in our age group.. And we now know that an ounce is 28.35 grams! A lot of good information and a few amusing posts.

And let's not overlook your theory about legalization leading to a proliferation of addicts and crack babies across the US. Fortunately we live in Zihua and have nothing to fear.

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by Aunt Chelada, Friday, May 24, 2019, 10:26 (88 days ago) @ mexicoman

CBD, an acceptable medical derivative, not to be confused with the "weed" itself.

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by h4Dan, California, Friday, May 24, 2019, 11:17 (88 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

I wish I knew more about CBD, weed, and the whole thing. I'm mid 80's high blood pressure, arthritis, chronic pain, and have only had a puff long ago at a party in the mid 60's.

I'm a bit of a skeptic and I really don't know of a trusted source to tell me the truth. Everything I hear is now is how it's all about the money to be made in the industry.

I don't trust big pharma or the government to tell the truth anymore.

There are lots of claims about helping with pain but who to believe?

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by Aunt Chelada, Friday, May 24, 2019, 12:02 (88 days ago) @ h4Dan

May cause diarrhea, dry mouth, tender breasts, drowsiness, lack of energy, swollen feet, a rise in body odor, increase in appetite, a decrease in sex drive, blurred vision, loss of hair, loosening of teeth, hearing loss, faster or slower heart beat, sweaty palms, increased hair growth in ear canals, a runny nose, and deformed toenails. Ask your doctor in CBD is right for you.

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Friday, May 24, 2019, 12:21 (88 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

Oh sheet - is that what the warnings in Spanish on the bottles from the store on Ejido say? :-D

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by victorio, Friday, May 24, 2019, 15:58 (88 days ago) @ mexicoman
edited by victorio, Friday, May 24, 2019, 16:03

Hola. The bottles from the place on ejido have no warning at all. In fact only one of the bottles that I purchased had dose instructions. 4to5 drops twice a days. By the way , I have been using CBD oil for a few years and have not had one of the "side effects" previously posted. Sounds like something big pharm would make up.

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Friday, May 24, 2019, 16:42 (88 days ago) @ victorio

I believe she was joking. As was I with my response.

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by Aunt Chelada, Saturday, May 25, 2019, 08:14 (87 days ago) @ mexicoman

One other side effect might be loss of sense of humor.

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Monday, May 27, 2019, 09:27 (85 days ago) @ h4Dan

Believe yourself... You're in CA. Go to a reputable biz like Med Men and explain your problems. They can suggest a remedy. Try a small amount and then trust yourself to make the decision. It's just a weed.

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by h4Dan, California, Monday, May 27, 2019, 11:21 (85 days ago) @ mexicoman

Thank you, that's a good idea.

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by Helene @, Zih, Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 17:53 (90 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Those photos. SIGH.