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Playa la Ropa Artisans Market

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Monday, June 17, 2019, 13:29 (126 days ago)

Today, at 8am, the demolition was scheduled to begin of the Artisans Market behind the Dolphins on Playa la Ropa. We were told it was to be replaced with new, with a single walkway down the middle, and be ready in 2 months.

Over the last 3 days, the tenants have been clearing out their stock, dismantling their booths and removing the roof tiles, wood and electrical wiring. Anything of any value to anyone has been removed. Recycling is good!

When we headed out to paddle at 7:30 this morning, some of the vendors were gathering, wearing red shirts. We didn't recognize many of them, and many we do know were not there. The large piece of equipment that was parked there yesterday, started it's engine and started moving, and those wearing red shirts assembled to one side of the street. We went out and had a lovely paddle.

When we came back in about 9, we asked if we would be able to make it back through. Oh Yes! Apparently the red shirts were protesters, and they blocked the equipment.

After we passed through, the few remaining boards were being salvaged, the machine was idle, the dump truck that was to hold the debris was parked nearby. There were a LOT of city vehicles and people including several with video cameras, and a truck full of police. We were told the Presidente was coming to talk to the crowd.

On our return on the Combi from town at 11, there was nothing to be seen. No machines, no people, no change in what was left of the structures after them being stripped of anything of value. I just checked the newspapers, nothing yet.

So, what's the scoop? A redone area is obviously going to happen, it would be a good thing, but nothing happened today. Anyone know anything?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, June 17, 2019, 18:56 (125 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Today, at 8am, the demolition was scheduled to begin of the Artisans Market behind the Dolphins on Playa la Ropa. We were told it was to be replaced with new, with a single walkway down the middle, and be ready in 2 months.

Over the last 3 days, the tenants have been clearing out their stock, dismantling their booths and removing the roof tiles, wood and electrical wiring. Anything of any value to anyone has been removed. Recycling is good!

When we headed out to paddle at 7:30 this morning, some of the vendors were gathering, wearing red shirts. We didn't recognize many of them, and many we do know were not there. The large piece of equipment that was parked there yesterday, started it's engine and started moving, and those wearing red shirts assembled to one side of the street. We went out and had a lovely paddle.

When we came back in about 9, we asked if we would be able to make it back through. Oh Yes! Apparently the red shirts were protesters, and they blocked the equipment.

After we passed through, the few remaining boards were being salvaged, the machine was idle, the dump truck that was to hold the debris was parked nearby. There were a LOT of city vehicles and people including several with video cameras, and a truck full of police. We were told the Presidente was coming to talk to the crowd.

On our return on the Combi from town at 11, there was nothing to be seen. No machines, no people, no change in what was left of the structures after them being stripped of anything of value. I just checked the newspapers, nothing yet.

So, what's the scoop? A redone area is obviously going to happen, it would be a good thing, but nothing happened today. Anyone know anything?

The area was a "temporary" market 25 years ago during the administration of then Presidente Municipal Jorge Allec Galeana, abuelo to the current mayor. Same with the mercado on Cinco de Mayo. A temporary market to help get the overabundance of wandering vendors off the beaches and streets and allow them to get a start so they could "theoretically" rent their own locales and become taxpaying merchants instead of dependent on paternalism and corruption. While I'm sure it helped the PRI to get some votes, it quickly became a snowball out of control. Obviously the vendors are never going to leave and the beach entrance will never be recovered. Same with half of Cinco de Mayo street. Public land lost and used to make money for unscrupulous people and manipulate voters for political parties.

Red t-shirts generally mean the PRI. Yellow PRD. Maroon Morena.

I'm sure the vendors are fighting over who gets what and who pays whom how much for the privilege to promise their votes away as well as who gets seniority and where when the remodeling is done. But I could be wrong.

Anything else you'd like to know? B-)

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Monday, June 17, 2019, 19:13 (125 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Yes, of course! Prognostications on when the next rain will be??

Thanks so much for the explanation, it all makes sense now.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, June 17, 2019, 19:47 (125 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Yes, of course! Prognostications on when the next rain will be??

Thanks so much for the explanation, it all makes sense now.

It doesn't make any damn sense, but it's the way things are. Guerrero is bad enough with corruption and paternalism, but Zihuatanejo is about as far from our state government as it's possible to get and still be in the state. While we're nowhere near as bad off as the folks in La Montaña region, civilization is nevertheless just an illusion here, and the rule of law is just a sueño guajiro. Thank goodness so many of the local people are pretty damn wonderful.

While no program begun by one administration seems to carry over to the next, the problems they create do. Lots of good and decent people would like to see the area where the La Ropa crafts market is recovered and restored to its original use as a beach entrance. Maybe put some public bathrooms there. So there are interests that would like to see the vendors removed and not allowed back, and that may also play a part in the drama you saw unfolding this morning.

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by nadador @, Oregon, Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 11:46 (125 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

WOW! Our family used to stay at Temo y Mary's bungalow back in the mid-late 90s. We would navigate the artisan market each trip to the beach, in those days it was busting & every stall was FULL of handmade wares. Passing several times a day, we knew most venders & their ninos by name.
In more recent years, most stalls are boarded up and with the exception of (I think) two original venders, the ones that are open are selling chips, t-shirts & plastic toys. Those wanting to go to Mary's kitchen still have to navigate the busy NARROW passage.
I hear what you're saying, Rob, about the artisan market missing the mark. But that tiny cranny of the la ropa holds a lot of fond memories for me and this news is bittersweet to hear.
I am curious what this means for Temo y Mary (and their kids that help run their tienda & kitchen). I imagine this would be very good for business for them as they would have more exposure.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 12:31 (125 days ago) @ nadador

Last fall we got a new presidente, or mayor. One of the many things he has done is to enforce permits. They cleared Playa la Ropa quickly. Many massage tents were removed, a number of things were enforced, for example, how many tables and umbrellas businesses could have on the sand as per their permit.

Cinco Hermanos and Mary's restaurants were both on the sand at the end of the Artisans Market. It was so densely filled that is was extremely difficult to walk through the tables and umbrellas, even without a chair. With a chair, it wasn't possible. Cinco Hermanos had their table and umbrella numbers enforced along with their actual location: half of the sand at the south end of the beach access, and not in front of either hotel. Mary's apparently did not have a permit to be on the beach.

Mary's made a huge change, they could no longer be on the beach, so they completely redid their existing restaurant up by the street. They rewired, replumbed, built a new kitchen and a lovely large covered dining area. It is very nice, and at least for now, the only business along the beach access. Normally we speak to Mary, her husband and son every morning as they are opening, but there were no signs of life this morning except a massive water leak in their parking area.

Playa la Ropa Artisans Market

by Aunt Chelada, Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 15:11 (125 days ago) @ Talley Ho

One has to wonder if the Hotel Thompson (or whatever they call it this week) had anything to do with it?

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 15:18 (125 days ago) @ Aunt Chelada

Doubt it.

The road in front of them is missing, and it could be a long haul. The demolition and construction will be very loud and dirty.

As stated in several posts last winter, permits are being enforced everywhere. Our crawdad guy doesn't have a permit and is now walking the streets with his bags of bugs because he can't sit on the street to sell them. Our favorite tamale family is gone, they did not have a permit to sit on the street and sell. Both of these are in the Mercado area.

Overall it is making a difference, it's just taking some getting accustomed to.

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by nadador @, Oregon, Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 11:36 (124 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Thank you for taking the time for the update on Temo y Mary's, I really appreciate it! We missed our trip down this past winter, but very much looking forward to checking out what they've done with the place next year.
Salud!

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Playa la Ropa Artisans Market Day 2

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 10:41 (125 days ago) @ Talley Ho

This morning at 6:30 as we walked out to the beach we were able to see that the road from in front of The Thompson/Viceroy/Villas del Sol had been removed almost all the way to the buildings that were the artisans market. Other than a few more things being salvaged from the buildings, they hadn't been touched.

When we walked back through on the way home at 7:30 there were no signs of life at all and the piece of equipment that was used to remove the road was still parked there.

No paddle, there was still lightning in the area, so no idea what else is happening today.

Playa la Ropa Artisans Market Day 2

by Aunt Chelada, Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 11:21 (125 days ago) @ Talley Ho

LOL, is it wide enough to build a condo?

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Playa la Ropa Artisans Market Day 3

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 14:22 (124 days ago) @ Talley Ho

At 6:30 this morning, we were still able to walk to the beach through the beach access, and the half of the artisans market on the inland side was gone. When we came back from shopping at noon, it looked like everything was gone.

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Playa la Ropa Artisans Market Day 3

by Fran @, Evanston, IL, Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 15:47 (124 days ago) @ Talley Ho

There was a very nice spa tent through the market, behind Mary’s restaurant. Any information about where they went? Or are they still there?

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 17:48 (123 days ago) @ Fran

It is still there.

Mary's has been relatively unaffected, once they made their move, not counting the lack of street in front (south side), broken tiles on their new dining area floor and a broken sewer line.

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by Fran @, Evanston, IL, Thursday, June 20, 2019, 10:24 (123 days ago) @ Talley Ho

One only hopes it all works out for everyone in the end. Hope being the operative word here.

Playa la Ropa Artisans Market - confused

by connie, Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 14:46 (124 days ago) @ Talley Ho

We stay at Villas San Sebastian every year. I'm confused as to exactly where
this market is. We are right behind the Dolphins. Please help. Gracias.

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Playa la Ropa Artisans Market - confused

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 14:51 (124 days ago) @ connie

The artisans market was located in the beach access that is between The Thompson/Viceroy/Villas del Sol and Villa Mexicana hotels.

You obviously take the right fork on your way to the beach and come out between Patty's and La Cantinita. The artisans market was in the left fork.

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by connie, Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 14:57 (124 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Wow - never walked that way. I wish we would have known it was there. Thanks for the explanation.

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by nadador @, Oregon, Monday, September 23, 2019, 08:50 (28 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Any update on the work that's been done there?

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Playa la Ropa Artisans Market Update

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Monday, September 23, 2019, 10:34 (28 days ago) @ nadador

They started work June 15, and although it was scheduled to reopen August 15, the vendors are now told it will be December. That sounds about right.

It's quite lovely! The front half (the Dolphins end) even has the roll up doors installed, and there will be two of each sex toilets at that end. There will be open showers at the beach end. The many street lights and other decorative lighting is in and was turned on two weeks ago, making a very nice walk out to the beach. The sidewalk is in on the north side and the beach end has it's decorative concrete poured. The palm trees have been in for about 6 weeks and look healthy.

What is left? The center section of stalls is having the roof poured any day, then all of the stalls will be about there. Each has electricity and will have roll up doors. The roofs extend out far enough that the sidewalk in front of the stalls will be covered.

The big hold up is due to the weather. Where the beach end concrete ends, there is a mud pit that is probably 25 feet long and all the way across. It has been totally full of water for at least 3 weeks now. That section will keep them from pouring the rest of the "street" area. He thinks they might dig it all out and replace the dirt. I suspect they will wait until winter and let it dry up, then pour the concrete.

It is a very good looking, nicely done project. It will be an asset once it is finished.

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Playa la Ropa Artisans Market Update

by nadador @, Oregon, Monday, September 23, 2019, 11:00 (28 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Wow! Thank you for taking the time for the update! I was under the impression that space was just going to be cleared and an open path would be in it's place. Sounds like quite the project, I look forward to seeing it in February!

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Playa la Ropa Artisans Market Update

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, September 23, 2019, 12:05 (28 days ago) @ Talley Ho

They started work June 15, and although it was scheduled to reopen August 15, the vendors are now told it will be December. That sounds about right.

It's quite lovely! The front half (the Dolphins end) even has the roll up doors installed, and there will be two of each sex toilets at that end. There will be open showers at the beach end. The many street lights and other decorative lighting is in and was turned on two weeks ago, making a very nice walk out to the beach. The sidewalk is in on the north side and the beach end has it's decorative concrete poured. The palm trees have been in for about 6 weeks and look healthy.

What is left? The center section of stalls is having the roof poured any day, then all of the stalls will be about there. Each has electricity and will have roll up doors. The roofs extend out far enough that the sidewalk in front of the stalls will be covered.

The big hold up is due to the weather. Where the beach end concrete ends, there is a mud pit that is probably 25 feet long and all the way across. It has been totally full of water for at least 3 weeks now. That section will keep them from pouring the rest of the "street" area. He thinks they might dig it all out and replace the dirt. I suspect they will wait until winter and let it dry up, then pour the concrete.

It is a very good looking, nicely done project. It will be an asset once it is finished.

Sounds like they're pouring a lot of concrete. The mayor owns a concrete company. Coincidence? :stirpot:

So if there's going to be an artisans market then there shouldn't be vendors on the beach disturbing sunbathers and folks seeking a place to relax, right?

Free public showers? Ha ha ha ha ha! I mean, sounds great.

There's a reason that puddle is there. I've seen a raging river flow through there back before they built the mercado. The current was so strong I couldn't walk the beach home as I normally did so I had to walk the road even though it was unpaved then and the mud was about half a meter deep. Lost my good flashlight that night but I got home from town without getting swept out to sea. If we get any bigger storms this season you may get to see that's where a lot of water wants to go, especially with so much land getting deforested and paved and the huerta starting to get all built up.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Monday, September 23, 2019, 13:13 (28 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Vendors on the beach? Yes, they are thick, but yesterday most were wearing their ID, a first for us to see. In the past, most of the vendors simply used their stall for storage and walked the beach selling their wares.

Yes, when it rains it's a raging river. At the beach end, they put several loads of large river rocks, then a single step down from the new concrete onto the sand. Of course with the recent tides, the sand is gone, the step down onto the rocks is large and unsafe.

The showers are interesting. There are three of them, all open, obviously meant to be free, but so far, no tinaco. With that location, just off of the sand, and free, they can't possibly get a large enough one.

We are entertained by what we see each morning on our way to and from the beach via this now walkable route.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Thursday, September 26, 2019, 09:22 (25 days ago) @ nadador

Thought I would share some pictures of the progress on this project.

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Humberto Romero
www.casaarcoiriszihuatanejo.com

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, September 26, 2019, 12:11 (25 days ago) @ hromero

Muchas gracias por las fotos. Look at all that concrete! Mi pobre playa.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Thursday, September 26, 2019, 12:56 (25 days ago) @ hromero

Thanks for the great pics!

Both yesterday and this morning, early, there were baby turtles crawling out of the rocks at the beach end. We launched a bunch of them!