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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, October 05, 2019, 09:34 (68 days ago)

The Crystal Symphony arrived on time this morning, and public workers have been scurrying aroun since the wee hours like they have something important to do.

Kudos to the Guardia Nacional who responded to our 911 call at 3 in the morning when an odd man decided the Plaza del Artista was the place to make noise. They responded swiftly and acted courteously and professionally.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, October 05, 2019, 11:31 (68 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

If my records are correct, the last cruise ship to anchor in Zihuatanejo Bay was the "Celebrity Century" on March 16, 2014 from 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. on its way from Cabo San Lucas to Huatulco. So it's been a while.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Saturday, October 05, 2019, 12:24 (67 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

December, 2016 we paddled around the Silver Whisper here in the bay.

Today, we headed out to paddle around her, got right under the bow and the swell picked up and was quite big. We decided that we made it to the boat, but really didn't have to go around it.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, October 05, 2019, 12:42 (67 days ago) @ Talley Ho

December, 2016 we paddled around the Silver Whisper here in the bay.

Today, we headed out to paddle around her, got right under the bow and the swell picked up and was quite big. We decided that we made it to the boat, but really didn't have to go around it.

Right you are. I found it now. Somehow I kept missing that data even though I went right past it a couple of times. It also arrived on November 22 of that year. The ship that shouldn't have arrived. They spruced up the pier special for it though technically the pier had already been officially declared unsafe. But amazing what a little concrete and a new coat of paint did for the old pier.

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by Skink, Saturday, October 05, 2019, 13:39 (67 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

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by Paulf @, Mount Sterling, Ky 40353, Saturday, October 05, 2019, 15:12 (67 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Will never forget that morning sailing into the bay on a Apple Vacations Charter in 1998. The beauty of the Bay was different than any we had sailed into. Not realizing, a year later we would come down on a Apple Vacation hotel/air Charter and stay at the Dorato and purchase a week at Pacifica. Since that morning walking back to the Dorato after purchasing a week at Pacifica our life has never been the same- now we come down a week in "Z" and 3 weeks at the Grand.

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by northbay @, Sunday, October 06, 2019, 09:26 (67 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Gobierno de Zihua posted 22 photos on FB showing the cruisers being greeted on shore by ladies with gifts and a huge mariachi band. Only to be sent away on buses. Where do they go? What is the benefit for Z per se?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, October 06, 2019, 10:10 (67 days ago) @ northbay

Gobierno de Zihua posted 22 photos on FB showing the cruisers being greeted on shore by ladies with gifts and a huge mariachi band. Only to be sent away on buses. Where do they go? What is the benefit for Z per se?

They went on tours they paid for aboard the ship, mostly to hotels in Ixtapa if past trends hold true. My wife’s boutique Lupita’s remained open throughout the day but had no sales to any cruise ship passengers. The tour bus companies made some money, and the politicos got their photos in lots of media. But local restaurants and shop owners are complaining about the lack of sales. Personally instead of seeing the politicians give speeches and put on a big show for the tourists, I’d prefer to see them all allowed to wander the streets of downtown Zihuatanejo at their leisure.

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by Sandy feet, Seattle, Sunday, October 06, 2019, 10:47 (67 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I couldn't agree more.
The beauty and charm of Zihuatanejo goes unnoticed.

It's a disservice to the passengers who have no idea how wonderful Zihuatanejo is.

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by GordJ, Sunday, October 06, 2019, 12:04 (67 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Did the local restaurants or shops have any tours on the ships roster? Its hard to complain if they didn't promote the city with the cruise line. I'm no cruise expert but the few cruises that I have taken we had our tours laid out before we embarked. If a city tour wasn't on the itinerary then the passengers would have virtually no information about Zih and would be taking one of the packaged tours.
But I guess its easier to blame unnamed politicians for their failure in promoting the downtown businesses rather than the businesses who waited for "someone" to do it for them?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, October 06, 2019, 13:13 (66 days ago) @ GordJ

Did the local restaurants or shops have any tours on the ships roster? Its hard to complain if they didn't promote the city with the cruise line. I'm no cruise expert but the few cruises that I have taken we had our tours laid out before we embarked. If a city tour wasn't on the itinerary then the passengers would have virtually no information about Zih and would be taking one of the packaged tours.
But I guess its easier to blame unnamed politicians for their failure in promoting the downtown businesses rather than the businesses who waited for "someone" to do it for them?

No, sir. I don't blame restaurants or shops for not planning and promoting tours, or tour guides for not seeking kickbacks to take tourists to said shops and restaurants. With all due respect, I blame mostly the cruise lines' business model for selling tours but I also blame gullible and uninquisitive tourists, though as I mentioned I'd prefer that politicians not take up their shore time for photo ops. I'm not a big fan of mob tourism where tourists are so much cattle to herd around, but maybe it's just me and that's the way a lot of tourists like to travel. Fine for them, but not for Zihuatanejo. Both the visitors and the community lose by having uninquisitive unadventurous tourists who might as well be visiting a deserted island. Historically they have not been tourists who visit or enjoy much about Zihuatanejo, though of course there are exceptions as several repeat visitors here will attest to. We have historically been more appealing to and benefited more from a more adventurous type of traveller. Not folks who come here on a whim or who are seeking a Ft. Lauderdale/Miami Beach type of vacation.

I've never had any desire to travel by cruise ship, but if I did I would do my homework beforehand as many do to make my own plans for each destination instead of simply being someone else's passenger. Hiring a tour guide to take you to Las Gatas, Isla Ixtapa, La Chole, Barra de Potosí, Troncones or a local walking tour is one thing, but riding around on a bus from the ship to Ixtapa's shopping centers and international hotels is another. Thanks to the marvels of modern technology, you can now see more of a destination's countryside on Google Earth than you will from the window of a tour bus. Then you can plan to go visit what interests you on your own via a local taxi, rental car or tour guide. A win-win for both the destination and the traveler.

That's why I've never been a big fan of cruise ships. Mass tourism has never been kind to destinations like Zihuatanejo or the Virgin Islands where I used to live. While it's fine that cruise ships come visit for various reasons, I don't believe we should aspire to have a hundred a year as we did one year. That was way too many, and they pose a huge risk to our already overburdened bay as well as causing hotel visitors not to venture into town on the days cruise ships are in port. Two or three dozen or so a year is fine.

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by Susan G @, Zihua/La Ropa, Sunday, October 06, 2019, 13:56 (66 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

We encountered one very pleasant retired couple from the ship near the fishermen displaying catches along the Pescador. Originally from Phoenix but now living in Las Vegas, the couple had multiple questions about moving here. We retired here 4 years ago from Tucson after years of homework about where, so the couple was curious where retirees live. The ship folks said they'd been to Ixtapa years ago and wanted to return to this area.

We've taken cruises so we're aware that ships plan off-ship tours well in advance and believe, like Rob, that cruisers should do their homework in deciding which tours they wished.

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by Curly! @, Great Pacific Northwet, Monday, October 07, 2019, 11:35 (66 days ago) @ Susan G

The best tour is no tour ;-)

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, October 07, 2019, 12:04 (66 days ago) @ Curly!

The best tour is no tour ;-)

There were a lot of complaints phoned in to a local morning radio talk show about how the city authorities first scared the bejeezus out of visitors by picking them up at Puerto Mío and transporting them to the museum without explanation and without having English speakers tell them what was going on, so they arrived and immediately saw armed military men, further scaring the bejeezus out of some of them, so much so that more than a few asked to be returned to the ship. They also were bothered because their shore time is limited and the politicians took up over an hour of it. The ones who took the tour to La Chole probably had the best time. I didn't see many of them walking around town. Ixtapa merchants complained they didn't have any sales, but their stores are more geared towards folks staying in the Ixtapa hotels who no longer leave them to buy anything thanks to All-Inclusive packages.

I saw some propaganda the city's tourism office filmed of smiling tourists saying nice things for the camera, so I imagine the truth is somewhere in between.

I guess the biggest complaint was simply having an hour of their shore time wasted on photo ops for the políticos and not being told what was going on until they got to the museum.

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by Paulf @, Mount Sterling, Ky 40353, Monday, October 07, 2019, 15:38 (65 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

On our Cruise stop in 1998, we tendered of course. When we got a shore, we were set back how everything looked as we caught our tour bus to do the country tour- was a great tour and experience. Years later when some friends joined us at Pacifica had the same tour for them and they loved it also. When you were use to other stops on the Coast, "Z" was less than appealing. With the Military presence appearance now reinforces the idea Mexico is not safe.

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by zulualpha, Monday, October 07, 2019, 18:38 (65 days ago) @ Paulf

Had the opportunity to chat Saturday for over an hour with two young women, not "cruisers," but members of the ship´s crew. They reported that there were no " security warnings" issued to them, nor, to their knowledge, to passengers about Zihuatanejo before coming ashore. Shore visits to Brazil, yes.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, October 07, 2019, 19:04 (65 days ago) @ zulualpha

Had the opportunity to chat Saturday for over an hour with two young women, not "cruisers," but members of the ship´s crew. They reported that there were no " security warnings" issued to them, nor, to their knowledge, to passengers about Zihuatanejo before coming ashore. Shore visits to Brazil, yes.

The warnings are on the U.S. State Department's website and would likely have been mentioned to them by their family or friends if they were previously unaware. The last thing our visitors need to be seeing on their first trip here by cruise ship are armed men with big guns all around them. Anyone working for the U.S. federal government would also know and be prohibited from coming ashore without special permission.

Is there also a warning for all the places where there have been mass shootings in the USA?

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by zulualpha, Thursday, October 10, 2019, 14:43 (62 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
edited by zulualpha, Thursday, October 10, 2019, 14:57

You mis-read my post. I took it as a positive that these two women were NOT "warned" by cruise ship staff of any danger walking the streets of Zihua -- there was no need for a caution. The absence of a warning is a compliment to Mexico and to Zihua -- a thumbs-up as regards safety. That´s the way I took it, and that was what I intended to pass on in the post.

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by Paulf @, Mount Sterling, Ky 40353, Sunday, October 06, 2019, 12:22 (66 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Did they tender at the Yacht Club. If so, that's a long walk to the strip. With all the news about Mexico not being safe would cause concern with the passengers to walk that far. We know it's safe, but if you have never been to "Z" you would not know. That's the problem with the previous administrations stealing the money for the pier.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Sunday, October 06, 2019, 12:34 (66 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Typically, the passengers who didn't sign up for tours are offloaded last and are turned loose to do their own thing. A few years ago, while walking along La Madera beach, I encountered an elderly couple who seemed lost. The gentleman asked me loudly and slowly if I spoke English. Obviously relieved that I did, they relaxed and I showed them where the shops are and how to get back to the pier.

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