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by gemini67, Wednesday, November 06, 2019, 20:37 (14 days ago)

I understand saving the beauty of traveling in Mexico, but please quit burying your head in the sand. The cartels are dangerous and I don't know who is in charge of safety. The police and military don't seem to get a handle on these problems, just hope you don't get caught in the crossfire. RIP to the mothers and very young kids slaughtered on the highways in Mexico

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by midalake @, Wednesday, November 06, 2019, 20:47 (14 days ago) @ gemini67

I understand saving the beauty of traveling in Mexico, but please quit burying your head in the sand. The cartels are dangerous and I don't know who is in charge of safety. The police and military don't seem to get a handle on these problems, just hope you don't get caught in the crossfire. RIP to the mothers and very young kids slaughtered on the highways in Mexico

I don't think anyone has their head in the sand! What do you purpose?

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Wednesday, November 06, 2019, 21:04 (14 days ago) @ gemini67

I understand saving the beauty of traveling in Mexico, but please quit burying your head in the sand. The cartels are dangerous and I don't know who is in charge of safety. The police and military don't seem to get a handle on these problems, just hope you don't get caught in the crossfire. RIP to the mothers and very young kids slaughtered on the highways in Mexico

What happened to those women and children is absolutely awful and I truly feel for their families. But we all know that mass murder is not unique to Mexico; there's certainly been plenty of it here in the US, and at a greater scale. We really enjoy our time in Mexico as well as the folks we've met there. We will continue to visit, while taking the normal precautions. There's no head burying involved.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, November 06, 2019, 21:09 (14 days ago) @ frostbite

Very well stated, thank you.

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by allen @, Pacific Northwest, Wednesday, November 06, 2019, 22:12 (14 days ago) @ gemini67

Those people were part of a cult offshoot of the Mormon church who have been killing each other for decades. I seriously doubt that Mexicans were involved at all unless they were hired hit men.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, November 06, 2019, 22:26 (14 days ago) @ allen

Those people were part of a cult offshoot of the Mormon church who have been killing each other for decades. I seriously doubt that Mexicans were involved at all unless they were hired hit men.

I agree in that we shouldn’t believe any official version without a healthy dose of skepticism. No cartel or organized criminal has anything obvious to gain from this. Why bring heat on themselves? Same with the current violence in Ciudad Juárez.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, November 06, 2019, 23:01 (13 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Those people were part of a cult offshoot of the Mormon church who have been killing each other for decades. I seriously doubt that Mexicans were involved at all unless they were hired hit men.


I agree in that we shouldn’t believe any official version without a healthy dose of skepticism. No cartel or organized criminal has anything obvious to gain from this. Why bring heat on themselves? Same with the current violence in Ciudad Juárez.

I referenced violence in Ciudad Juárez because today numerous vehicles there were torched, including a bus with people in it (they escaped), and lots of rumors were flying around, But there is no war, no wave of violence. Just a distraction for a jailbreak. Nothing at all what it appeared to be.

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by D-Loco, Thursday, November 07, 2019, 11:40 (13 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I referenced violence in Ciudad Juárez because today numerous vehicles there were torched, including a bus with people in it (they escaped), and lots of rumors were flying around, But there is no war, no wave of violence. Just a distraction for a jailbreak. Nothing at all what it appeared to be.

I'm currently living in Juarez as I work in El Paso. Things are quiet as usual for the law abiding citizens. I'm also curious to hear the real story if it ever comes out about the Mormon incident.

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by rdcosta @, Thursday, November 07, 2019, 15:39 (13 days ago) @ D-Loco

Maybe try reading borderland beat

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, November 06, 2019, 22:16 (14 days ago) @ gemini67

I understand saving the beauty of traveling in Mexico, but please quit burying your head in the sand. The cartels are dangerous and I don't know who is in charge of safety. The police and military don't seem to get a handle on these problems, just hope you don't get caught in the crossfire. RIP to the mothers and very young kids slaughtered on the highways in Mexico

No one in Mexico has their head in the sand and I fail to see your justification for making such a claim. We are all grieving in Mexico for the LeBarón family members. We also grieved for the Mexicanos massacred earlier this year in El Paso.

We of course also know why there are cartels and where their money and firearms come from.

So because bad things happen and governments govern poorly we should just lock ourselves in a safe room somewhere? Ignore beauty? Ignore places like Zihuatanejo? Has something changed here?

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Wednesday, November 06, 2019, 22:24 (14 days ago) @ gemini67

Nov. 6 2019

Excerpt from post by gemini1967

I understand saving the beauty of traveling in Mexico, but please quit burying your head in the sand. The cartels are dangerous and I don't know who is in charge of safety. The police and military don't seem to get a handle on these problems, just hope you don't get caught in the crossfire.

My interpretation of gemini67 post is that one should NOT get complacent, and keep your guard up at ALL times.
Don't take anything, especially your personal safety, for granted.
Obviously, the possibility does exist that even if one takes all the precautions they can possibly do, one can't predict some events and could "get caught in the crossfire". That applies to wherever one may be.

His comment about the military and whatever law enforcement corporations that "don't seem to get a handle on these problems", from my observation, for the most part is correct.
I observe time and time again the freedom all the delincuent groups enjoy here locally in Z, as well as in the rest of Mexico, to comit their crimes, as it is very rare that any of them are caught and brought to justice.

That said, the majority of people come and go to Mexico without any incidents, and return home safe and sound.

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by jay, Thursday, November 07, 2019, 04:33 (13 days ago) @ jaui
edited by jay, Thursday, November 07, 2019, 05:32

The problem with "keeping your guard up at ALL times" is that it leads to mountains of stress and has you on the fast track to a stroke or heart attack. No time to smell the roses or sip margaritas by the pool when you always need to be hyper alert.

About 20%-25% of any population has an overactive fear center in their brains that causes them to be frightened of most everything, particularly the 'other', all day every day, an overstimulation of largely imaginary threats. We generally call such people 'conservatives' or 'concealed carriers', people who carry around too much baggage, who have too much trouble navigating everyday life, always seeking absolute safety and security and finding neither.

This is not to say one shouldn't be a little vigilant and take some precautions. But fear shouldn't rule, shouldn't become an all-consuming obsession, especially on vacation in sunny, tropical Mexico. Somehow some 80 million Mexicans can go about their daily lives without packing and without getting caught in a cartel crossfire. Amazing, isn't it? I can do that too without needing a bazooka hidden in my shorts. So I don't generally worry about such things. Life is too short and life is not guaranteed. There are risks I'm willing to take. And like most others on this board, I like to relax and sip an occasional Pacifico by the pool and chill out for a while. I'm even willing to talk to scary strangers. You should try it sometime. And leave the Glock and the paranoia at the door. You'll be amazed at how much better you'll feel.

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by moonbird1 @, Thursday, November 07, 2019, 09:33 (13 days ago) @ jay

me gusta

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Thursday, November 07, 2019, 13:02 (13 days ago) @ jay
edited by jaui, Thursday, November 07, 2019, 13:12

11-07-2019

@jay

Comfort levels and tolerance vary widely from person-to-person.

There are people who travel to Mexico without any fear or worry.
On the other extreme, there are those, for some reason(s) or another, who won't set foot in Mexico.

As I mentioned:
"the majority of people come and go to Mexico without any incidents, and return home safe and sound."

They most likely, as you recommended are.......
"a little vigilant and take some precautions."
Generally speaking, that is all that needs to be done.

You make good points and your opinion is useful.

Regards.

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by jay, Thursday, November 07, 2019, 17:27 (13 days ago) @ jaui
edited by jay, Thursday, November 07, 2019, 17:42

Comfort levels and tolerance vary widely from person-to-person.

Which is why I qualified it by saying that only 20%-25% are driven primarily by fear. Presumably they hide in the closet all day for fear of the boogeyman, which is fine as far as it goes. But taken to an extreme, this worldview makes life difficult for the rest of us. So too many Americans support things like:
Spending billions to build a useless and ineffective vanity wall that apparently can be breached by a common Sawzall;
Or agitating for evermore gun sales that kill 40,000 Americans every year:
Or supporting dishonest politicians who are eager to strip away our civil liberties, in the name of security of course.

I don't know how to reach such people. They don't really respond to reason. Which is why it's usually a fool's game to try to persuade would-be tourists, who take to heart violent publicity about Mexico, that the country is safe enough for most tastes, at least in the tourist areas. Kind of like those who are afraid of flying - no amount of statistics or logic or reason will budge them from their terror over flying. So it remains a mystery.

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by gemini67, Thursday, November 07, 2019, 21:54 (13 days ago) @ jay

I have driven all over Mexico starting in 1973, I have always loved The people and this beautiful country. My husband and our dogs liked the pacific but enjoyed the Yucatan and the ruins in Chiapas. I cant remember a time that anyone would kill women and children, family life was always appreciated and celebrated.

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by albuschhoff@gmail.com, Friday, November 08, 2019, 11:00 (12 days ago) @ gemini67

I have come to this conversation late, but I have enjoyed all the back and forth. Having traveled in a lot of places around the world that sound scary , I agree that "trust but verify" is a good policy. The same things that would get me in trouble in Zihuatanejo would get me in trouble in Denver. Who gets drunk and walks by themselves in lonely areas of the city at 2AM ,anywhere.?Who tries to sell or buy drugs or guns illegally? It upsets me when I talk to locals who have been extorted or intimidated, and if I could do something to help I would.Suggestions? For me , the best thing, I think, I can do is to keep coming to Mexico and spending my money at the legitimate businesses there, and encouraging my friends to do so too.

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by gemini67, Friday, November 08, 2019, 18:49 (12 days ago) @ albuschhoff@gmail.com

I like your response but how do you know or recognize a legitimate business? Combis, taxis, food vendors, going fishing, renting a room, buying from the kids on the beach? I have a friend that loved Zihuatanejo so much he started a business here, 2 years ago he was kidnapped and had to pay a ranson, he is not likely to return. I have loved this country so much but the weird government, police, and military are something to be considered when coming here. I just wish...?