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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Friday, November 08, 2019, 18:59 (11 days ago)

Anyone hear the 5 gunshots a few minutes ago.? About 6:50 pm. Unmistakable sound.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Friday, November 08, 2019, 19:09 (11 days ago) @ mexicoman

Not us. We were out on the deck and talking about your lights because there weren't any. Didn't hear a thing.

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Saturday, November 09, 2019, 07:20 (11 days ago) @ Talley Ho

We were in the bedroom enjoying the view of the lights that rim the bay, the wonderful evening breeze, reading magazines on iPads. Check out Apple News+ hundreds of magazines and of course the news from various sources - NY Times, Washington Post, etc. $9.99/month about 2 Margaritas at La Perla or lunch at Dona Liche. Our connection to the rest of the world.

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Saturday, November 09, 2019, 07:32 (11 days ago) @ Talley Ho

The sound waves have a direct line from La Cancha to our apartment. We get the good, the bad and last night the ugly.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, November 08, 2019, 20:06 (11 days ago) @ mexicoman

A man was shot and killed at the Cancha Municipal and a woman was wounded. It seems the government forgot to put any police there where every day hundreds of people get together.

Not good, and I am pissed off. One place where there should always be police is the main plaza.

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by rojo, Friday, November 08, 2019, 21:12 (11 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

With the crap that is going on throughout the country and here in Zihua, Tourism will definitely be affected. Ive had 2 calls this week regarding safety here and it is getting harder the fend off a lot of the rumors

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by Sunset Monger, Friday, November 08, 2019, 21:48 (11 days ago) @ rojo

I think the rumor phase has passed.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, November 08, 2019, 22:18 (11 days ago) @ rojo

With the crap that is going on throughout the country and here in Zihua, Tourism will definitely be affected. Ive had 2 calls this week regarding safety here and it is getting harder the fend off a lot of the rumors

So you live where there’s no violence and no one ever gets shot? Must be nice.

This seemed to be a very deliberate act of violence against one or possibly two people. Could be a crime of passion.

The other day everyone was screaming about cartels gone amok in Sonora. Looks like it had nothing to do with any cartel. Whaddaya know.

Ever since my first visit here over 45 years ago I’ve known this region and this state to be violent. Back then you were more likely to get disappeared by the government than to have any problems with the narcos, guerrilleros or criminals. Things have changed but not much. The thing that’s changed the most is simply that there are more of us.

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by zulualpha, Saturday, November 09, 2019, 06:04 (11 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

The other thing that has changed, of course, is the utter flood of weapons into this country, 70-80 per cent proved to have come from the USA. Old theme.

I follow Mexican news closely and never once have I ever heard or read about an arms bust up on the border. No cops on the cancha municipal, and no cross-border arms enforcement going on, either.

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by Timole, Monday, November 11, 2019, 09:03 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Rob, What do you mean those crimes weren't involved with cartels? Can you direct me to that information? Thanks

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, November 11, 2019, 12:24 (8 days ago) @ Timole

Rob, What do you mean those crimes weren't involved with cartels? Can you direct me to that information? Thanks

First off, what do the cartels gain by involving themselves with this family and calling attention to themselves with such a horrific incident? Nothing! But that's the story that governments on both sides of the border want to promote because it suits their interests.

This family has a long history of conflict and controversy. I could care less about their religion, but ask yourself who could murder unarmed women and children in cold blood? It has characteristics of a crime of passion. There are suggestions the women were taking the children to flee the sect.

The LeBaron family in Mexico… a history of conflict

Crímenes de la familia LeBarón

But locals in the region attribute this incident to another conflict the family is involved in over water, a life-or-death resource in the desertic region where they live among many ejido farmers upset over their allegedly illegal consumption of water. There have been suggestions this group of people hired a hit squad to kill the members of the LeBarón family, though there is still no explanation why women and children were targeted. Ejidatarios aren't known for their cruelty, and this was an act of cruelty, LIKE A CRIME OF PASSION.

This article is from about a year and a half ago.
Water Wars: Ranchers Clash Over Scarce Resources in Mexico

You are of course free to draw your own conclusions and to search for other sources of information. I find many articles in English to be more slanted than the ones in Spanish. But I find all suggestions of cartel involvement to lack any reasonable motive.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Monday, November 11, 2019, 13:46 (8 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Interesting articles, thanks.

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by Ironwood, Monday, November 11, 2019, 16:31 (8 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Rob, What do you mean those crimes weren't involved with cartels? Can you direct me to that information? Thanks


First off, what do the cartels gain by involving themselves with this family and calling attention to themselves with such a horrific incident? Nothing! But that's the story that governments on both sides of the border want to promote because it suits their interests.

This family has a long history of conflict and controversy. I could care less about their religion, but ask yourself who could murder unarmed women and children in cold blood? It has characteristics of a crime of passion. There are suggestions the women were taking the children to flee the sect.

The LeBaron family in Mexico… a history of conflict

Crímenes de la familia LeBarón

But locals in the region attribute this incident to another conflict the family is involved in over water, a life-or-death resource in the desertic region where they live among many ejido farmers upset over their allegedly illegal consumption of water. There have been suggestions this group of people hired a hit squad to kill the members of the LeBarón family, though there is still no explanation why women and children were targeted. Ejidatarios aren't known for their cruelty, and this was an act of cruelty, LIKE A CRIME OF PASSION.

This article is from about a year and a half ago.
Water Wars: Ranchers Clash Over Scarce Resources in Mexico

You are of course free to draw your own conclusions and to search for other sources of information. I find many articles in English to be more slanted than the ones in Spanish. But I find all suggestions of cartel involvement to lack any reasonable motive.

Interesting reading, for sure. Makes Flip Wilson's "The Church of What's Happening Now" sound entirely respectable. Lord, save us from religious fanatics of all stripes, I say.

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by midalake @, Saturday, November 09, 2019, 08:29 (11 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

A man was shot and killed at the Cancha Municipal and a woman was wounded. It seems the government forgot to put any police there where every day hundreds of people get together.

Not good, and I am pissed off. One place where there should always be police is the main plaza.

UGH :-( :-(

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by Bill Fun, Saturday, November 09, 2019, 09:05 (11 days ago) @ midalake

The sad thing is that only 1 in 10 or 1 in 20 murders (I forget the exact statistic) are solved in Mexico. Thus this contributes to the problem since some know there is little consequence to the act.

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by JACK @, Saturday, November 09, 2019, 09:30 (11 days ago) @ Bill Fun

Make that: 1 to 3 in a hundred are solved!

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by Sunset Monger, Saturday, November 09, 2019, 11:34 (10 days ago) @ JACK

Kind of comes down to, Does it have an impact on your decisions on what and when you do? Do you invite your grand-kids and family to spend time here, do you go watch basketball in the plaza on a Friday night, do you duck for cover when you hear a sudden loud noise? Or do you sit inside and read reports from global publications about the life in Mexico? Regardless of what you chose these types of incidents will have a negative impact on everyone. If the business man closes shop, less taxes are paid, if the taxi or bus stops, less people get to work and less tourists move about to spend their money, airlines and the cruise ships will chose not to stop in places where their customers or crews are in danger. This all creates less revenue and puts the burden on those that remain. The criminals then have less to feast upon and the situation gets worse. And now for the worst part, Poverty of the area will increase, youth see no future, join the gangs to survive and it quickly spins out of control. A failed state is the result. Look at Detroit, South Chicago, New Orleans, East LA. All went through this and some are still in it. Once revenue producing entities are gone and all the fruit from the tree has been picked, the criminals move on. Where did they go, St. Louis, New Mexico, Bakersfield. In Mexico where are they at now, where did they come from and where will they go next. Better buckle down as it is going to be a long haul before this problem is gone as the cities mentioned above took almost 50 years to fix their problems. (Off my soap box now)

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by jay, Saturday, November 09, 2019, 17:41 (10 days ago) @ Sunset Monger

While poverty and other social ills undoubtedly cause a lot of crime problems, there's a small but growing school of thought that lead in the environment is also a substantial cause. We've known for almost a hundred years that lead can cause serious damage to an individual, particularly infants and toddlers - damaging or destroying that part of the brain that is responsible for anger management, impulse control, deferring gratification, understanding consequences, all of which can lead to violent crime patterns later in life.

Several years ago, researchers wondered if lead could cause the same problems across an entire society. And they found a strong correlation between the spike in violent crime and lead in the environment (caused by the explosion of cars and thus leaded gasoline in the post-war period, through the eighties), and the corresponding drop in violence when lead was removed from gasoline in 1986. Now violent crime in the US, overall, is at it's lowest point in fifty years. And this same strong correlation - spike and drop - is shown in other industrialized countries as well.

Mexico didn't remove lead from gasoline until the mid-aughts, so violent crime should be peaking right about now (there's a lag time. Lead primarily affects infants and toddlers but they don't commit violence until many years later). So, if this theory holds, there likely will be a modest drop in violence in Mexico over the next decade or so. Because of its poverty and cartels and other social ills though, Mexico probably won't see the same benefits from lead removal that the US did.

It's an interesting theory, but one I find pretty persuasive

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by zulualpha, Saturday, November 09, 2019, 16:05 (10 days ago) @ JACK

Agreed -- well less than 5%. And yet there`s not much talk amongst the Mexican chattering clases about the flunked-out judicial system in place here, a system so failed it can be said to actually encourage incidents such as the one last evening.
Interestingly, the Mexican Senate has invited the FBI to aid in the investigation of the recent murders of nine Mormons in the northern state of Sonora. We`ll see how that one turns out.

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by AndreaB1 @, Saturday, November 09, 2019, 19:57 (10 days ago) @ zulualpha

I am very sorry to be hearing about this. We took last year off from coming to Zih, because when we were there 2 years ago, I was awoken by gunshots and then heard someone was shot up in their car at the oxxo. We’ve come every year but last year for the last decade and are traveling to Zihuatanejo in 2 weeks. It makes me uneasy for sure. I understand that nowhere is safe but this will have to be our last trip for awhile. If I can’t take my kids downtown and need to stay at the hotel, there isn’t much point.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, November 09, 2019, 20:14 (10 days ago) @ AndreaB1

I am very sorry to be hearing about this. We took last year off from coming to Zih, because when we were there 2 years ago, I was awoken by gunshots and then heard someone was shot up in their car at the oxxo. We’ve come every year but last year for the last decade and are traveling to Zihuatanejo in 2 weeks. It makes me uneasy for sure. I understand that nowhere is safe but this will have to be our last trip for awhile. If I can’t take my kids downtown and need to stay at the hotel, there isn’t much point.

We just returned from the zócalo. It was full of people and families strolling and watching a basketball game, and the restaurant on all sides we’re doing a booming business. Large groups of folks were still returning from Playa Las Gatas. Life goes on.

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by zulualpha, Saturday, November 09, 2019, 20:16 (10 days ago) @ AndreaB1

Understand your feelings entirely.
Editorial opinion nation-wide this weekend is encouraging Mexico´s new president, in power barely a year, to break out of his lotus position and take seriously a shaky security situation which threatens, amongst other things, Mexico´s multi-billion dollar tourism industry.
That said, chanced upon a young Cdn couple this a.m., here for the first time, with two toodlers, who loved Zihua and said, repeatedly, "We´ll be back."

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by maggie, Sunday, November 10, 2019, 20:40 (9 days ago) @ zulualpha

Friends are travelling to Zihua in December and are asking about safety issues travelling from the airport to la ropa they are uneasy and I am uncertain what i should tell them after hearing about recent killings in Zihautenajo. should I reassure them or warn?
I lean toward telling them the violence is targeted and tourists should be ok
Any thoughts?

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Monday, November 11, 2019, 06:32 (9 days ago) @ maggie

Friends are travelling to Zihua in December and are asking about safety issues travelling from the airport to la ropa they are uneasy and I am uncertain what i should tell them after hearing about recent killings in Zihautenajo. should I reassure them or warn?
I lean toward telling them the violence is targeted and tourists should be ok
Any thoughts?

We, also, are coming down in December, as we have for around 20 years. Violence is, indeed, targeted. Can you - inadvertently - get in the way when it's happening anywhere in the world, not just Mexico? Of course. If the choice is to stay at home with the curtains drawn, or to go out and travel, we choose the latter, while taking the normal precautions; i.e. we stay out of the non-touristy parts of town after dark, don't wear flashy jewelry, don't withdraw money from ATMs after dark, don't stumble around drunk, etc. Tell your friends to relax and have a great time in Zihua.

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by maggie, Monday, November 11, 2019, 07:17 (9 days ago) @ frostbite

Thanks frostbite,
I will pass along your sage advice.

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by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Saturday, November 09, 2019, 16:42 (10 days ago) @ mexicoman

Is the webcam running at La Cancha?
Did it catch anything?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, November 09, 2019, 17:11 (10 days ago) @ mosesk

There's a municipal security cam located much closer to the scene of the crime that would have captured any images, but it was getting dark and I believe the perp entered and left by the beach where it was much darker. Whether the camera works and who if anyone was watching are good questions. Police don't do briefings or interviews here.