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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 12:53 (12 days ago)

*** POLITICAL COMMENT NOT FOR SNOWFLAKES ***
I don't imagine most Mexicans are thrilled with someone who foments terrorism against Mexicans branding any Mexican criminals as terrorists. Do the people in the USA realize he's only putting U.S. citizens' lives at risk? The day he is removed from office there will be a worldwide celebration. Then of course we'll all have to try to forgive the folks who put him in office in the first place, like when the world had to forgive Nazis, fascists and the Japanese for WWII.
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This was an incredible scene to wake up to. Only lasted for a few moments, and you should've seen me running outside pulling on my shorts and sandals trying to get to the beach before the red glow went away.
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The fishermen's market displayed a bountiful catch this morning as well as yesterday. Some good looking huachinango and dorado!
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These folks work hard to keep us and their families fed.
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by Sunset Monger, Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 19:26 (11 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I think we need to give the Mexican Citizens some credit here as I feel most would agree that the Cartels are Terrorists. Not sure what else you would like to call them. An American policy that legally allows the identifying of terrorists and the legal prosecution of those that support these groups though Finances, Goods, Services and technology, would now be subject to prosecution. Otherwise there is no law in place that says Bank of America can not keep $ for these groups and Joe Schmo can continue for feed them with technology, guns, ammo, etc.

What American needs to learn is that history and cultures are what they are and your not going to change it, at least not in the short term. One needs to be careful when a leader or a group is pushed out or attacked. What you get may be worse than what you had. Case in point, You nail El Chapo and you now have multiple El Chapo wantabee's. Better to let El Chapo go and allow him to clean up his competition.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 19:53 (11 days ago) @ Sunset Monger

I think we need to give the Mexican Citizens some credit here as I feel most would agree that the Cartels are Terrorists. Not sure what else you would like to call them. An American policy that legally allows the identifying of terrorists and the legal prosecution of those that support these groups though Finances, Goods, Services and technology, would now be subject to prosecution. Otherwise there is no law in place that says Bank of America can not keep $ for these groups and Joe Schmo can continue for feed them with technology, guns, ammo, etc.

What American needs to learn is that history and cultures are what they are and your not going to change it, at least not in the short term. One needs to be careful when a leader or a group is pushed out or attacked. What you get may be worse than what you had. Case in point, You nail El Chapo and you now have multiple El Chapo wantabee's. Better to let El Chapo go and allow him to clean up his competition.

Not sure you understand. First off, "America" is everything from Tierra del Fuego to the Northern Territories. And second, most Mexicans consider The Chump a terrorist and we sure as hell don't want any more U.S. intervention in Mexico.

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by Sunset Monger, Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 20:20 (11 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Thank you for the Geography lesson. Last I checked at any Immigration office around the world, Mexicans are from Mexico, Americans are from USA and Canadians are from Canada. Yes it is all North America. I just can never find the box to check that says "North American"

Agree; Chump is a terrorist on more levels than one.

But the issue here is a policy and a Law for USA to inflict upon itself. The policy has nothing to do with Mexico's lawful society, only that part of the society that is unlawful. But then again, I may be totally off base, Maybe what some consider unlawful is only in the eyes of those looking from the outside. Maybe just maybe, these "Terrorists" are a loved and valuable part of society and to do anything to slow or impact their existence and success, is a crime in itself.

Thanks Rob, Great photos....Keep them coming.

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by midalake @, Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 21:09 (11 days ago) @ Sunset Monger

I think we need to give the Mexican Citizens some credit here as I feel most would agree that the Cartels are Terrorists. Not sure what else you would like to call them. An American policy that legally allows the identifying of terrorists and the legal prosecution of those that support these groups though Finances, Goods, Services and technology, would now be subject to prosecution. Otherwise there is no law in place that says Bank of America can not keep $ for these groups and Joe Schmo can continue for feed them with technology, guns, ammo, etc.

What American needs to learn is that history and cultures are what they are and your not going to change it, at least not in the short term. One needs to be careful when a leader or a group is pushed out or attacked. What you get may be worse than what you had. Case in point, You nail El Chapo and you now have multiple El Chapo wantabee's. Better to let El Chapo go and allow him to clean up his competition.

YES THIS

An American policy that legally allows the identifying of terrorists and the legal prosecution of those that support these groups though Finances, Goods, Services and technology, would now be subject to prosecution. Otherwise there is no law in place that says Bank of America can not keep $ for these groups and Joe Schmo can continue for feed them with technology, guns, ammo, etc.

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by Altona Stu @, Altona, Manitoba, Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 22:09 (11 days ago) @ Sunset Monger

I think we need to give the Mexican Citizens some credit here as I feel most would agree that the Cartels are Terrorists. Not sure what else you would like to call them. An American policy that legally allows the identifying of terrorists and the legal prosecution of those that support these groups though Finances, Goods, Services and technology, would now be subject to prosecution. Otherwise there is no law in place that says Bank of America can not keep $ for these groups and Joe Schmo can continue for feed them with technology, guns, ammo, etc.

What American needs to learn is that history and cultures are what they are and your not going to change it, at least not in the short term. One needs to be careful when a leader or a group is pushed out or attacked. What you get may be worse than what you had. Case in point, You nail El Chapo and you now have multiple El Chapo wantabee's. Better to let El Chapo go and allow him to clean up his competition.

Designating Mexican Cartels as terrorists would give millions of Mexicans legit refugee status to emigrate to the USA.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 23:02 (11 days ago) @ Altona Stu

I think we need to give the Mexican Citizens some credit here as I feel most would agree that the Cartels are Terrorists. Not sure what else you would like to call them. An American policy that legally allows the identifying of terrorists and the legal prosecution of those that support these groups though Finances, Goods, Services and technology, would now be subject to prosecution. Otherwise there is no law in place that says Bank of America can not keep $ for these groups and Joe Schmo can continue for feed them with technology, guns, ammo, etc.

What American needs to learn is that history and cultures are what they are and your not going to change it, at least not in the short term. One needs to be careful when a leader or a group is pushed out or attacked. What you get may be worse than what you had. Case in point, You nail El Chapo and you now have multiple El Chapo wantabee's. Better to let El Chapo go and allow him to clean up his competition.


Designating Mexican Cartels as terrorists would give millions of Mexicans legit refugee status to emigrate to the USA.

Hey, as we all (should) know, it’s the U.S. dollars and firearms that create and empower cartels. Not Mexican “corruption”.

Mexico’s president enjoys between 60 and 70% popularity, and one of the main policies of his government is Mexico isn’t going to play the “war on drugs” game any more. Let the U.S. government stop the flow of arms. Let the U.S. government fix its broken laws like Mexico is trying to do instead of repeating over and over the same failed policies while expecting different results.

And while we’re designating terrorists, let’s include the white nationalists and other psychocretins The Chump inspires and claims as his most base base. And throw in their cult leader The Chump while you’re at it. But be sure to do everyone a favor and keep the damn drones, secret agents and military on the U.S. side of that obscene wall of shame.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Thursday, November 28, 2019, 05:44 (11 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Hey, as we all (should) know, it’s the U.S. dollars and firearms that create and empower cartels. Not Mexican “corruption”.

I don't doubt that the availability of firearms empowers the cartels, but it's the corruption that creates them, in the first place. Canada has stricter gun laws that the US. The border between our 2 countries is quite porous, yet, while I don't doubt that there is plenty of crime in Canada, there are no cartels fighting each other and screwing the general population.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, November 28, 2019, 08:28 (11 days ago) @ frostbite

I'm almost embarrassed I have to point this out to you, but you are again extremely confused. Corruption doesn't cause over 40 million U.S. citizens to have to seek an illegal source for their pleasure substances. Not corruption in Mexico. That would be corruption in the USA. The corruption that allows racists to pass laws demonizing "evil weed with roots in hell" then incarcerating mostly millions of black men and other minorities for its consumption and distribution. Corruption is selling cocaine to buy firearms clandestinely to trade to Iranian hostage holders for U.S. hostages after making a deal with them to KEEP the hostages until after the Republican president is sworn into office. Corruption is starting wars based on lies. Corruption is sending military personnel into foreign countries not to wipe out the drug trade but to control and enhance it for nefarious purposes, whether in Afghanistan or Colombia. Corruption is U.S. doctors prescribing known addictive substances to millions of patients for pain, knowing there is a high probability of addiction but caring more about the kickbacks from the pharmaceutical industry than the health of their patients. Corruption is arming known violent organized criminals because the money is more important than human lives, especially Mexican ones. Shall I go on? The list is much longer but I'm getting bored going over old news and I have work to do.

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by JACK @, Thursday, November 28, 2019, 10:19 (11 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

And, this is all because of Trump???

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, November 28, 2019, 10:35 (11 days ago) @ JACK

And, this is all because of Trump???

Did you read Frostbite's comment? Your reply doesn't make any sense in the context of this conversation. The Chump is being criticized by Mexicans for wanting to designate cartels as terrorists and for promoting terrorism against Mexicans and minorities. My comments in response to Frostbite have nothing to do with The Chump.

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by JACK @, Thursday, November 28, 2019, 11:28 (11 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

These are your comments on all the problems caused by the USA:

"The corruption that allows racists to pass laws demonizing "evil weed with roots in hell" then incarcerating mostly millions of black men and other minorities for its consumption and distribution. Corruption is selling cocaine to buy firearms clandestinely to trade to Iranian hostage holders for U.S. hostages after making a deal with them to KEEP the hostages until after the Republican president is sworn into office. Corruption is starting wars based on lies. Corruption is sending military personnel into foreign countries not to wipe out the drug trade but to control and enhance it for nefarious purposes, whether in Afghanistan or Colombia. Corruption is U.S. doctors prescribing known addictive substances to millions of patients for pain, knowing there is a high probability of addiction but caring more about the kickbacks from the pharmaceutical industry than the health of their patients. Corruption is arming known violent organized criminals because the money is more important than human lives, especially Mexican ones. Shall I go on? The list is much longer but I'm getting bored going over old news and I have work to do".

Makes it sound that all of these were caused by Trump...I never heard you bitching about Obama...didn't most of this happen under Obama?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, November 28, 2019, 11:48 (11 days ago) @ JACK

These are your comments on all the problems caused by the USA:

"The corruption that allows racists to pass laws demonizing "evil weed with roots in hell" then incarcerating mostly millions of black men and other minorities for its consumption and distribution. Corruption is selling cocaine to buy firearms clandestinely to trade to Iranian hostage holders for U.S. hostages after making a deal with them to KEEP the hostages until after the Republican president is sworn into office. Corruption is starting wars based on lies. Corruption is sending military personnel into foreign countries not to wipe out the drug trade but to control and enhance it for nefarious purposes, whether in Afghanistan or Colombia. Corruption is U.S. doctors prescribing known addictive substances to millions of patients for pain, knowing there is a high probability of addiction but caring more about the kickbacks from the pharmaceutical industry than the health of their patients. Corruption is arming known violent organized criminals because the money is more important than human lives, especially Mexican ones. Shall I go on? The list is much longer but I'm getting bored going over old news and I have work to do".

Makes it sound that all of these were caused by Trump...I never heard you bitching about Obama...didn't most of this happen under Obama?

You need a refresher course on Reading Comprehension, amigo. You're all twisted around. Not the comments. What the hell does Obama have to do with anything? No, most of this did NOT happen during his administration but started long before and continues.

Enjoy your turkey, or crow, or whatever...

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by Sunset Monger, Thursday, November 28, 2019, 12:56 (11 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Happy Thanksgiving to all, regardless of where you are from or where you live or where you want to live. Regardless of Race, Color or Religion (Or Political Stance).

If your on this fantastic web site it is because you have found a special place on earth, a place we all love for our own private reason. Albeit the culture, the weather the views or the serenity of a perfect bay.

We will all have our difference's when it comes to many things, but let us celebrate what we all have found and come to love, ZIHU..... To the families and residents that have welcomed many of us with smiles and open arms. Many of us are truly blessed, and we should be Thankful.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Thursday, November 28, 2019, 13:57 (11 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

No confusion on my part. While I don't fool myself into believing that I live in the land of perfection, There is much corruption in Mexico and you know it. In fact, you have frequently mentioned it, yourself.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, November 29, 2019, 17:49 (9 days ago) @ frostbite

No confusion on my part. While I don't fool myself into believing that I live in the land of perfection, There is much corruption in Mexico and you know it. In fact, you have frequently mentioned it, yourself.

Again, corruption in Mexico pales alongside that in the country you call home. I would think that would be obvious. Just because something may be legal doesn't mean it isn't corruption.

The firearms problem is a bit more complicated than you seem to appreciate, mi estimado amigo. I've posted this before but I'm guessing you didn't read it. I hope you'll take the time now. The problem begins in the USA at the gun stores and gun shows. The type of weapons available is the biggest problem. But the quantities sold to straw buyers in the USA is also a huge problem.

The flow of guns from the U.S. to Mexico is getting lost in the border debate

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Saturday, November 30, 2019, 06:30 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I'm quite aware of the gun problem in the US and am reminded of it almost daily. As a former hunter, I still own guns - not assault-style weapons but, living in redneck country, I need to be careful about expressing my political and social views in public. I'll make an exception here: I'm all in favor for some kind of gun control. What kind and how to enforce it, is beyond my expertise, with millions already in private hands.

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by Casa Juan @, Saturday, November 30, 2019, 08:23 (9 days ago) @ frostbite

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by zulualpha, Thursday, November 28, 2019, 14:08 (11 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

This Trump threat is directly connected to the recent massacre of several Mormon women and children in the north of Mexico. The USA Mormon lobby has since leaned on ultra-conservative Republicans to "do something" vis-a-vis the Mexican cartels responsible for the killings. Trump´s comments throw GOP bottomfeeders a distracting bone to chew on. Probably he´s just fending off his right wing. For now...

Still, we wouldn´t bet even a sliver of the next pension cheque on Trump NOT ordering, say, a drone strike on a "narco target" within Mexico. This would apparently be legally justifiable should Mexican cartels be branded "terrorist organizations" by the US government.

What would be the Mexican reaction if such a strike were successful, and decapitated a major drug cartel?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, November 28, 2019, 18:34 (10 days ago) @ zulualpha

This Trump threat is directly connected to the recent massacre of several Mormon women and children in the north of Mexico. The USA Mormon lobby has since leaned on ultra-conservative Republicans to "do something" vis-a-vis the Mexican cartels responsible for the killings. Trump´s comments throw GOP bottomfeeders a distracting bone to chew on. Probably he´s just fending off his right wing. For now...

Still, we wouldn´t bet even a sliver of the next pension cheque on Trump NOT ordering, say, a drone strike on a "narco target" within Mexico. This would apparently be legally justifiable should Mexican cartels be branded "terrorist organizations" by the US government.

What would be the Mexican reaction if such a strike were successful, and decapitated a major drug cartel?

This has been the topic of much discussion here in Mexico, including on last evening's program "Tercer Grado" on Televisa, an excellent forum with Mexican intellectuals and journalists. Lots of Mexicans in the social media are trying to blame the LeBarón family for this, but the evidence says otherwise. It's a threat The Chump has been making for a couple of years, and we all recall how just before the last mid-term elections he sent troops to the border to "stop the invading hordes" on a dud mission where they had no jurisdiction (further demonstrating his total lack of respect for the military). Absolutely no one has provided any evidence whatsoever that the LaBarón killings had anything to do with any narcos. We already had that discussion here recently.

Mexico's government is confident that this is, as you say, red meat for the bottom feeders, a campaign stunt, and that the situation can be contained because the U.S. government has no intention of doing anything stupid that would poison the waters between our nations. Mexico especially under the current government would not tolerate any of the shenanigans that violate Mexico's sovereignty. Like I said, if the USA wants to act responsibly then it can stop selling firearms to straw buyers for organized criminals and stop denying its own citizens legal access to recreational substances that tens of millions of them want to consume regularly.

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by zulualpha, Friday, November 29, 2019, 06:21 (10 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
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Interesting that yesterday the governor of the state of Guanajuato, where crime and violence stats are red-lining, came out in support of US armed intervention. The man obviously doesn´t have much confidence in President Lopez Obrador´s strategy of "hugs, not bullets" in dealing with the country´s wobbly security situation. Curious to know how many other state leaders feel the same way?

It is probable that the Trump administration is much more interested in getting the new trade deal (with Canada & Mexico) signed than in military adventurism south of the Rio Grande, a stupidity that would blow up trade relations.

Hopefully, there is awareness, too, that any US military action could jepardize the physical security of Americans(or anyone who looked like one) resident or vacationing here.

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by Ironwood, Friday, November 29, 2019, 11:25 (10 days ago) @ zulualpha

Interesting that yesterday the governor of the state of Guanajuato, where crime and violence stats are red-lining, came out in support of US armed intervention. The man obviously doesn´t have much confidence in President Lopez Obrador´s strategy of "hugs, not bullets" in dealing with the country´s wobbly security situation. Curious to know how many other state leaders feel the same way?

It is probable that the Trump administration is much more interested in getting the new trade deal (with Canada & Mexico) signed than in military adventurism south of the Rio Grande, a stupidity that would blow up trade relations.

Hopefully, there is awareness, too, that any US military action could jepardize the physical security of Americans(or anyone who looked like one) resident or vacationing here.

Time to dig out my t-shirt with the big red maple leaf?

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by zulualpha, Friday, November 29, 2019, 12:58 (10 days ago) @ Ironwood

Bring two. I´d fit a "Large" or oversized "Medium."

See yuz soon....

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by Canada Pete, Friday, November 29, 2019, 13:57 (10 days ago) @ zulualpha

Because Mexico was such a peaceful place prior to Trump.

Mexico and Zihu-Ixtapa exist from US Money and tourism.

There's more than a million dollars a day coming from the US to Zihu -Ixtapa this time of year.

If the Red Travel Advisory is not enough, folks come and read your comments to see what the locals are thinking and doing. You locals don't do yourselves many favors.

Good thing message boards can be a good source of information, but they don't have a very good input from the majority.

P.S. I don't EVER wear anything that identifies my country in a foreign country. It's nothing more than a target. Best to just blend in, enjoy where you are and not get involved in other peoples business.

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by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Friday, November 29, 2019, 14:02 (10 days ago) @ Canada Pete

Because Mexico was such a peaceful place prior to Trump.

Mexico and Zihu-Ixtapa exist from US Money and tourism.

There's more than a million dollars a day coming from the US to Zihu -Ixtapa this time of year.

If the Red Travel Advisory is not enough, folks come and read your comments to see what the locals are thinking and doing. You locals don't do yourselves many favors.

Good thing message boards can be a good source of information, but they don't have a very good input from the majority.

P.S. I don't EVER wear anything that identifies my country in a foreign country. It's nothing more than a target. Best to just blend in, enjoy where you are and not get involved in other peoples business.

"I'm Swiss"

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by Fly on the Wall, Friday, November 29, 2019, 14:27 (10 days ago) @ Canada Pete

To me this is similar to a chess game where you have to think steps ahead , though I don’t think trump by himself is smart enough to realize it. Target the cartels as terrorists, proceeding with strikes , does it lead to retaliation on tourists , if so what’s the implication on tourism .in the future . If it’s a feint to get México to do something then.......Unlike a game there are very real consequences

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by svenobs, Friday, November 29, 2019, 15:32 (9 days ago) @ Fly on the Wall

Some of Robs statements seem to be a bit racist... Very improper... Clean up your act Rob... Let keep thing civil..

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, November 29, 2019, 15:49 (9 days ago) @ svenobs

Some of Robs statements seem to be a bit racist... Very improper... Clean up your act Rob... Let keep thing civil..

Ha ha ha ha. Yeah, that’s me all right. Racist. From the Deep South. Thanks for reminding me of that stereotype. Let me guess, you’re not a Southerner.
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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, November 29, 2019, 15:45 (9 days ago) @ Canada Pete

Because Mexico was such a peaceful place prior to Trump.

The entire WORLD was a SAFER place prior to The Chump, but his only part in this is BEING a terrorist while pretending to declare brown-skinned Spanish-speaking foreigners as TERRORISTS while in campaign mode. There’s a central connection there some folks commenting here seem to be missing. No one has even suggested The Chump is responsible for violence in Mexico, only a HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.


Mexico and Zihu-Ixtapa exist from US Money and tourism.

I strongly disagree, and while we ARE grateful for foreign tourism and investment, we are a community of proud people, not whores for sale. I hope you can appreciate that not everyone commenting here is a tourist, and this is not a phony warm and fuzzy 24-hour happy hour good-time Charlie’s where you will only experience endless mindless platitudes of spoon-fed BS and sales pitches. Our weather really is damn near perfect and this place sure as hell is as damn close to a paradise as is possible despite what may be viewed as shortcomings by some visitors.


There's more than a million dollars a day coming from the US to Zihu -Ixtapa this time of year.

And you pulled that figure out of WHERE? Most tourists here are Mexicans, as is most of the money, for what it’s worth.


If the Red Travel Advisory is not enough, folks come and read your comments to see what the locals are thinking and doing. You locals don't do yourselves many favors.

Like I said, wrong website for sales pitches and BS platitudes. Want your ego stroked and your preconceived notions confirmed while they pick your pocket go to one of those tourist websites. This website is about MY RECOMMENDATIONS to keep you safe, happy and harmless while visiting our diverse and challenging region of Mexico. No one’s died so far following my advice. Can the competition make the same claim? :-o


Good thing message boards can be a good source of information, but they don't have a very good input from the majority.

Are you some kind of expert? ;-)


P.S. I don't EVER wear anything that identifies my country in a foreign country. It's nothing more than a target. Best to just blend in, enjoy where you are and not get involved in other peoples business.

I’ve never worried about being a white Anglo-Saxon except where and when paybacks may be due. When terrorists threatened Floridians I wore the infamous bulls-eye t- shirt. Wherever you may be you can’t help but be involved in other people’s business. Better to be aware of your surroundings instead of apart from them.

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by Canada Pete, Friday, November 29, 2019, 18:29 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

This is your place of business and I will not argue in your place of business.

Regards,

Pete

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, November 29, 2019, 18:46 (9 days ago) @ Canada Pete

This is your place of business and I will not argue in your place of business.

Regards,

Pete

You were already invited to "argue" or whatever your comments and replies can be called. Don't be bashful.

Not my place of business. It's a MESSAGE BOARD. I don't sell a damn thing here, much less to tourists. And I believe Zihuatanejo sells itself.

If you're just looking to "get away from it all" but one place is as good as another then maybe Zihuatanejo isn't your best option. But if you're a bit adventurous and want to have a true life-enhancing experience immersed in the tropical Mexican culture of a vibrant community then THAT is what Zihuatanejo is all about. This isn't Disneyworld or Cancún and it doesn't pretend to be.

Saludos.

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by Canada Pete, Friday, November 29, 2019, 20:04 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

no hay problemas mi amigo

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, November 29, 2019, 20:17 (9 days ago) @ Canada Pete

no hay problemas mi amigo

Nope. Puro buena onda. Así es Zihuatanejo. :vacation:

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by SweetSusy @, Sunday, December 01, 2019, 16:52 (7 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

It is amazing though that you don’t really allow anyone on this board to start a topic of bad Mexican news (shootings in Z or Ixtapa, etc) because it scares the tourists that want to come and enjoy the area, but yet you will gladly always bash those same US tourists’ country. I’ve always been amazed at how you can blame the drug addicts North of the Mexican border on the drugs flowing out of Mexico. I’d say that was a chicken and egg problem. Which came first? Hmmmmm. As far as our President Trump goes...he is in office because the majority of American people are so very tired of our career politicians and how they have taken over our nation. Although we live in a democracy, we, the voters, are having less and less to say about how things are run. We are being poo pooed like a bunch of school age children that don’t understand what we are doing. And the sad thing is that the government still hasn’t “gotten it”. They still haven’t figured out why we put him in office. And we will probably put him in again next year just to show that yes, we do have a voice! Do I agree with most of what the man does, not really. But I don’t disagree that our economy is the strongest it’s been in decades, our unemployment is the lowest it’s been in decades and we are really trying to put America first again. We have been trying to be the center of the world for too long. I don’t disagree with protecting our borders. We have immigration laws that need to be abided by. I think you would find that most Americans, just like most Mexicans, as people are fine and loving individuals. That is why I would never classify the people of a nation by the nation as a whole. I know Rob will tell me I am misinformed and don’t understand everything, because, for the last several years I’ve been reading this boards, no one is as brilliant as he is. But we all have our voice.

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by Jenny, Sunday, December 01, 2019, 17:13 (7 days ago) @ SweetSusy

AMEN !!

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by midalake @, Sunday, December 01, 2019, 18:30 (7 days ago) @ SweetSusy
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It is amazing though that you don’t really allow anyone on this board to start a topic of bad Mexican news (shootings in Z or Ixtapa, etc) because it scares the tourists that want to come and enjoy the area, but yet you will gladly always bash those same US tourists’ country. I’ve always been amazed at how you can blame the drug addicts North of the Mexican border on the drugs flowing out of Mexico. I’d say that was a chicken and egg problem. Which came first? Hmmmmm. As far as our President Trump goes...he is in office because the majority of American people are so very tired of our career politicians and how they have taken over our nation. Although we live in a democracy, we, the voters, are having less and less to say about how things are run. We are being poo pooed like a bunch of school age children that don’t understand what we are doing. And the sad thing is that the government still hasn’t “gotten it”. They still haven’t figured out why we put him in office. And we will probably put him in again next year just to show that yes, we do have a voice! Do I agree with most of what the man does, not really. But I don’t disagree that our economy is the strongest it’s been in decades, our unemployment is the lowest it’s been in decades and we are really trying to put America first again. We have been trying to be the center of the world for too long. I don’t disagree with protecting our borders. We have immigration laws that need to be abided by. I think you would find that most Americans, just like most Mexicans, as people are fine and loving individuals. That is why I would never classify the people of a nation by the nation as a whole. I know Rob will tell me I am misinformed and don’t understand everything, because, for the last several years I’ve been reading this boards, no one is as brilliant as he is. But we all have our voice.

Do I agree with most of what the man does, not really. But I don’t disagree that our economy is the strongest it’s been in decades, our unemployment is the lowest it’s been in decades

Your rant is a joke: ANYONE can have a great economy by printing an extra TRILLION dollars a year. THEY [trump] and crew KNEW their tax cut would NEVER be paid for. They should ALL be put in prison for stealing from the AMERICAN treasury. They are TRAITORS.

It is so clear at this point that trump only cares for trump PERIOD.

What has happened in the USA, MY AMERICA by this imposter of a president is a SICK JOKE

You not only owe us an apology for voting for this empty suit of a man [trump] but an apology is due for your stupid delusion of a rant.

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by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Sunday, December 01, 2019, 18:37 (7 days ago) @ midalake

It is amazing though that you don’t really allow anyone on this board to start a topic of bad Mexican news (shootings in Z or Ixtapa, etc) because it scares the tourists that want to come and enjoy the area, but yet you will gladly always bash those same US tourists’ country. I’ve always been amazed at how you can blame the drug addicts North of the Mexican border on the drugs flowing out of Mexico. I’d say that was a chicken and egg problem. Which came first? Hmmmmm. As far as our President Trump goes...he is in office because the majority of American people are so very tired of our career politicians and how they have taken over our nation. Although we live in a democracy, we, the voters, are having less and less to say about how things are run. We are being poo pooed like a bunch of school age children that don’t understand what we are doing. And the sad thing is that the government still hasn’t “gotten it”. They still haven’t figured out why we put him in office. And we will probably put him in again next year just to show that yes, we do have a voice! Do I agree with most of what the man does, not really. But I don’t disagree that our economy is the strongest it’s been in decades, our unemployment is the lowest it’s been in decades and we are really trying to put America first again. We have been trying to be the center of the world for too long. I don’t disagree with protecting our borders. We have immigration laws that need to be abided by. I think you would find that most Americans, just like most Mexicans, as people are fine and loving individuals. That is why I would never classify the people of a nation by the nation as a whole. I know Rob will tell me I am misinformed and don’t understand everything, because, for the last several years I’ve been reading this boards, no one is as brilliant as he is. But we all have our voice.


Do I agree with most of what the man does, not really. But I don’t disagree that our economy is the strongest it’s been in decades, our unemployment is the lowest it’s been in decades

Your rant is a joke: ANYONE can have a great economy by printing an extra TRILLION dollars a year. THEY [trump] and crew KNEW their tax cut would NEVER be paid for. They should ALL be put in prison for stealing from the AMERICAN treasury.

It is so clear at this point that trump only cares for trump PERIOD.

What has happened in the USA, MY AMERICA by this imposter of a president is a SICK JOKE

You not only owe us an apology for voting for this empty suit of a man [trump] but an apology is due for you stupid delusion of a rant.

D


midalake- I'm glad you said it.
LOCK HIM UP!...and take his twitter box away...!

ZIHing Zihuatanejo

by midalake @, Sunday, December 01, 2019, 18:42 (7 days ago) @ mosesk

It is amazing though that you don’t really allow anyone on this board to start a topic of bad Mexican news (shootings in Z or Ixtapa, etc) because it scares the tourists that want to come and enjoy the area, but yet you will gladly always bash those same US tourists’ country. I’ve always been amazed at how you can blame the drug addicts North of the Mexican border on the drugs flowing out of Mexico. I’d say that was a chicken and egg problem. Which came first? Hmmmmm. As far as our President Trump goes...he is in office because the majority of American people are so very tired of our career politicians and how they have taken over our nation. Although we live in a democracy, we, the voters, are having less and less to say about how things are run. We are being poo pooed like a bunch of school age children that don’t understand what we are doing. And the sad thing is that the government still hasn’t “gotten it”. They still haven’t figured out why we put him in office. And we will probably put him in again next year just to show that yes, we do have a voice! Do I agree with most of what the man does, not really. But I don’t disagree that our economy is the strongest it’s been in decades, our unemployment is the lowest it’s been in decades and we are really trying to put America first again. We have been trying to be the center of the world for too long. I don’t disagree with protecting our borders. We have immigration laws that need to be abided by. I think you would find that most Americans, just like most Mexicans, as people are fine and loving individuals. That is why I would never classify the people of a nation by the nation as a whole. I know Rob will tell me I am misinformed and don’t understand everything, because, for the last several years I’ve been reading this boards, no one is as brilliant as he is. But we all have our voice.


Do I agree with most of what the man does, not really. But I don’t disagree that our economy is the strongest it’s been in decades, our unemployment is the lowest it’s been in decades

Your rant is a joke: ANYONE can have a great economy by printing an extra TRILLION dollars a year. THEY [trump] and crew KNEW their tax cut would NEVER be paid for. They should ALL be put in prison for stealing from the AMERICAN treasury.

It is so clear at this point that trump only cares for trump PERIOD.

What has happened in the USA, MY AMERICA by this imposter of a president is a SICK JOKE

You not only owe us an apology for voting for this empty suit of a man [trump] but an apology is due for you stupid delusion of a rant.

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midalake- I'm glad you said it.
LOCK HIM UP!...and take his twitter box away...!

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by mexicoman @, Zihuatanejo, Sunday, December 01, 2019, 20:38 (7 days ago) @ midalake

It is amazing though that you don’t really allow anyone on this board to start a topic of bad Mexican news (shootings in Z or Ixtapa, etc) because it scares the tourists that want to come and enjoy the area, but yet you will gladly always bash those same US tourists’ country. I’ve always been amazed at how you can blame the drug addicts North of the Mexican border on the drugs flowing out of Mexico. I’d say that was a chicken and egg problem. Which came first? Hmmmmm. As far as our President Trump goes...he is in office because the majority of American people are so very tired of our career politicians and how they have taken over our nation. Although we live in a democracy, we, the voters, are having less and less to say about how things are run. We are being poo pooed like a bunch of school age children that don’t understand what we are doing. And the sad thing is that the government still hasn’t “gotten it”. They still haven’t figured out why we put him in office. And we will probably put him in again next year just to show that yes, we do have a voice! Do I agree with most of what the man does, not really. But I don’t disagree that our economy is the strongest it’s been in decades, our unemployment is the lowest it’s been in decades and we are really trying to put America first again. We have been trying to be the center of the world for too long. I don’t disagree with protecting our borders. We have immigration laws that need to be abided by. I think you would find that most Americans, just like most Mexicans, as people are fine and loving individuals. That is why I would never classify the people of a nation by the nation as a whole. I know Rob will tell me I am misinformed and don’t understand everything, because, for the last several years I’ve been reading this boards, no one is as brilliant as he is. But we all have our voice.


Do I agree with most of what the man does, not really. But I don’t disagree that our economy is the strongest it’s been in decades, our unemployment is the lowest it’s been in decades

Your rant is a joke: ANYONE can have a great economy by printing an extra TRILLION dollars a year. THEY [trump] and crew KNEW their tax cut would NEVER be paid for. They should ALL be put in prison for stealing from the AMERICAN treasury. They are TRAITORS.

It is so clear at this point that trump only cares for trump PERIOD.

What has happened in the USA, MY AMERICA by this imposter of a president is a SICK JOKE

You not only owe us an apology for voting for this empty suit of a man [trump] but an apology is due for you stupid delusion of a rant.

D

Right on!!!

ZIHing Zihuatanejo

by SweetSusy @, Monday, December 02, 2019, 07:02 (7 days ago) @ midalake

Sorry, no apology here.

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by Casa Juan @, Sunday, December 01, 2019, 19:48 (7 days ago) @ SweetSusy

Susy I don't know how long its been since you were in the labor market in the USA or what type of work you did. Post retirement, in '17 and '18, I worked a retail job where I encountered people working two jobs and still qualifying for some type of assistance benefits. Yes more people than ever are working in the USA but a large number of them are working at $9 to $ 12 per hour jobs who will never be able to enter the rapidly shrinking middle class.

Yes there is a great economy for the top 10% ,for the majority of the rest of the population ,it is all about further financially sinking each year,

Trump and his cohorts(both parties) gave the top 10% another series of tax breaks this year to add to the deficit=$23 Trillion last week. I agree with your desire to disagree with much of the political discussion on this board, but disagree with your willingness to give Trump any benefit for anything of value being created in the USA.
God bless America AND Mexico

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by midalake @, Sunday, December 01, 2019, 20:47 (7 days ago) @ Casa Juan

Susy I don't know how long its been since you were in the labor market in the USA or what type of work you did. Post retirement, in '17 and '18, I worked a retail job where I encountered people working two jobs and still qualifying for some type of assistance benefits. Yes more people than ever are working in the USA but a large number of them are working at $9 to $ 12 per hour jobs who will never be able to enter the rapidly shrinking middle class.

Yes there is a great economy for the top 10% ,for the majority of the rest of the population ,it is all about further financially sinking each year,

Trump and his cohorts(both parties) gave the top 10% another series of tax breaks this year to add to the deficit=$23 Trillion last week. I agree with your desire to disagree with much of the political discussion on this board, but disagree with your willingness to give Trump any benefit for anything of value being created in the USA.
God bless America AND Mexico

T-rumps tax cut was NOT passed by both parties. It was done under republican controlled houses. Passed the House of Representatives on November 16, 2017 (227–205 AND Passed the Senate on December 2, 2017 (51–49].

THIS was part of the 2018 vote that balanced the power of the House of Reps.

For those who want to see how this stabbed the middle class and poor, and put our debt in a spiral.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act_of_2017

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by SweetSusy @, Monday, December 02, 2019, 07:01 (7 days ago) @ Casa Juan

Juan: I am not seeing this where I live. Yes I am still in the labor market. I’m in the electrical utility business. It is flourishing. But what I see the most of it is for the first time in 20 years there are small businesses open in my town and actually staying open. For many years we would having business come in stay open for one year and have to shut down. In the last two years we have had three new businesses open and they are all still open. that in itself is a pretty amazing feat for our little town. The minimum wage in our state is $12 per hour and $15 in some cities. Although raising the minimum wage could be able Nother discussion, that isn't what we are talking about. I guess for me I am still on school. I will always respect the President of the United States. I don’t always agree with them, but I will always respect them because they are my President.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, December 02, 2019, 08:33 (7 days ago) @ SweetSusy

Juan: I am not seeing this where I live. Yes I am still in the labor market. I’m in the electrical utility business. It is flourishing. But what I see the most of it is for the first time in 20 years there are small businesses open in my town and actually staying open. For many years we would having business come in stay open for one year and have to shut down. In the last two years we have had three new businesses open and they are all still open. that in itself is a pretty amazing feat for our little town. The minimum wage in our state is $12 per hour and $15 in some cities. Although raising the minimum wage could be able Nother discussion, that isn't what we are talking about. I guess for me I am still on school. I will always respect the President of the United States. I don’t always agree with them, but I will always respect them because they are my President.

So the DRAFT DODGING, the TREASON, the SEXUAL HARASSMENT of WOMEN and MINORS, the LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES, the USING THE OFFICE for PERSONAL GAIN, the ETHICS VIOLATIONS, the OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, the RACISM that is getting Mexicans and other minorities PERSECUTED and KILLED, the alienation of U.S. ALLIES, the KOWTOWING TO RUSSIA, the INVITATION to FOREIGN POWERS TO MEDDLE IN U.S. ELECTIONS, the DESTRUCTION OF INSTITUTIONS, the MOCKING OF THE DISABLED, the INSULTS TO MILITARY HEROES AND FAMILIES, the DIVERSION of FUNDS for VETS & MILITARY FAMILIES to build his WALL OF SHAME, the INCREASED POLLUTION and THREATS TO WILDLIFE is all justified because 3 businesses opened in your town?

Your reasoning is shamefully shortsighted at best, and any apologies are worthless. The damage to the nation that so many sacrificed so much for is already done. The entire world sees the USA as rather pitiful now. The respect has vanished. The fall from grace and might is extremely sad to watch.

Prostitutes on the strip in Las Vegas also do well, but it doesn't mean we should prostitute the nation which is what is being done by The Chump and his sycophant Republicans. Regulations mostly always exist for good reason to protect citizens and their health from unscrupulous greedy business practices. Rolling back everything has only made The Chump and the wealthy wealthier. But those 3 businesses that opened in your town... JFHC!

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Monday, December 02, 2019, 08:43 (7 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:

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by Casa Juan @, Monday, December 02, 2019, 10:36 (7 days ago) @ SweetSusy

Susy I respect your right to voice your opinion and in the abstract, I can agree with you that a President deserves a certain level of respect. I actually grew to have respect for Bush 1 and to a lesser degree to Bush 2(aka "shrub";). I frankly cannot imagine a scenario for me where I could feel respect for Trump. That is just me and we all fortunately still have the right to disagree.

I am glad the economy is doing well where you live. I spend summers in an oil state, and other than wasteful military expenditures like the F35s, we currently have no bright spots on the horizon and talented young people are leaving for greener pastures

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by PHIL @, Trinity, NC, Monday, December 02, 2019, 11:18 (7 days ago) @ Casa Juan

Under past administration almost every building in a close by Industrial Park became vacant. Only booming businesses were pawn shops. In past couple years every building is now occupied with half having HELP WANTED signs posted. Rob, your hatred for the President is no reason for you to allow your Message Board to become a political pixxing contest. You are above that!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, December 02, 2019, 11:56 (7 days ago) @ PHIL

Under past administration almost every building in a close by Industrial Park became vacant. Only booming businesses were pawn shops. In past couple years every building is now occupied with half having HELP WANTED signs posted. Rob, your hatred for the President is no reason for you to allow your Message Board to become a political pixxing contest. You are above that!

Another person justifying the prostitution of the USA, the degradation of the office of the president, the poisoning of the environment, the lies, the obstruction of justice, the creation of various humanitarian crises, and the acts of outright terrorism against my fellow Mexicans incited by the Racist-in-Chief. I can see why pointing out such matters upsets people who enabled this monstrously obscene atrocity defiling the Office of the President.

So some old buildings got rented (thanks to the Obama economic recovery) but you don’t care about the price the nation is paying? Some things are more important than money.

Pissing contest? Wetting one’s diapers in a room full of adults is no pissing contest. Come on, amigo, you know better than that.

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by midalake @, Monday, December 02, 2019, 12:34 (7 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Under past administration almost every building in a close by Industrial Park became vacant. Only booming businesses were pawn shops. In past couple years every building is now occupied with half having HELP WANTED signs posted. Rob, your hatred for the President is no reason for you to allow your Message Board to become a political pixxing contest. You are above that!


Another person justifying the prostitution of the USA, the degradation of the office of the president, the poisoning of the environment, the lies, the obstruction of justice, the creation of various humanitarian crises, and the acts of outright terrorism against my fellow Mexicans incited by the Racist-in-Chief. I can see why pointing out such matters upsets people who enabled this monstrously obscene atrocity defiling the Office of the President.

So some old buildings got rented (thanks to the Obama economic recovery) but you don’t care about the price the nation is paying? Some things are more important than money.

Pissing contest? Wetting one’s diapers in a room full of adults is no pissing contest. Come on, amigo, you know better than that.

:megusta:

And YES, this is the adult part of the forum.

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by Quadra Paul @, Monday, December 02, 2019, 12:24 (7 days ago) @ SweetSusy

Sorry, Suzy! Respecting this president of yours is not "old school". It is old fool! I have a lot of friends who live in the US and I'm feeling nothing but compassion for them right now. I would say that you have been the victim of some really bad information!

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by Ironwood, Monday, December 02, 2019, 18:18 (6 days ago) @ SweetSusy

It is amazing though that you don’t really allow anyone on this board to start a topic of bad Mexican news (shootings in Z or Ixtapa, etc) because it scares the tourists that want to come and enjoy the area, but yet you will gladly always bash those same US tourists’ country. I’ve always been amazed at how you can blame the drug addicts North of the Mexican border on the drugs flowing out of Mexico. I’d say that was a chicken and egg problem. Which came first? Hmmmmm. As far as our President Trump goes...he is in office because the majority of American people are so very tired of our career politicians and how they have taken over our nation. Although we live in a democracy, we, the voters, are having less and less to say about how things are run. We are being poo pooed like a bunch of school age children that don’t understand what we are doing. And the sad thing is that the government still hasn’t “gotten it”. They still haven’t figured out why we put him in office. And we will probably put him in again next year just to show that yes, we do have a voice! Do I agree with most of what the man does, not really. But I don’t disagree that our economy is the strongest it’s been in decades, our unemployment is the lowest it’s been in decades and we are really trying to put America first again. We have been trying to be the center of the world for too long. I don’t disagree with protecting our borders. We have immigration laws that need to be abided by. I think you would find that most Americans, just like most Mexicans, as people are fine and loving individuals. That is why I would never classify the people of a nation by the nation as a whole. I know Rob will tell me I am misinformed and don’t understand everything, because, for the last several years I’ve been reading this boards, no one is as brilliant as he is. But we all have our voice.

I was going to pick apart this naive defense of the moron, Trump, starting with "... he is in office because the majority of American people are so very tired of our career politicians.....", etc., etc.
Well, not to quibble, SweetSusy, but a majority of American voters actually chose Clinton. The Electoral College chose Trump. So much for "one man, one vote."
You're fed up with career politicians, (and diplomats too, I reckon)? So instead, you support a semi-literate who knows nothing about politics, or government, or diplomacy, or civility, or honour, or honesty, or the gravitas of the office of the Presidency. Clever move! Oh, but wait.....he's a successful businessman, (isn't he?) because he has lots of money, and we all know that running a country is the same as running a business, don't we?
No, this is a waste of time. There's no point trying to reason with a Trump apologist. They are beyond the pale.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Monday, December 02, 2019, 21:49 (6 days ago) @ Ironwood

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by Quadra Paul @, Wednesday, December 04, 2019, 17:58 (4 days ago) @ Ironwood

:megusta:

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by jay @, Tuesday, December 03, 2019, 03:15 (6 days ago) @ SweetSusy

I would add only this: When you say that the voters have less and less say in our government, you're absolutely right. We have a political system that is owned and operated by special interests. That's why only about 10% of legislation favored by the public gets enacted, while about 90% of legislation favored by special interests gets enacted. That's been going on a long time and is largely bipartisan. But if you voted for Trump thinking he was going to fix the mess ("drain the swamp') then that was a fool's game, and you were badly played. Trump is an elitist snob, not to mention a cheat and grifter, right up to his furry orange eyebrows. Always has been. So it should be no surprise that he's employed about 80% more lobbyists in his administration in three years than Obama did in his entire eight years. That's not draining the swamp, that's overflowing the swamp. And you would have known that he would do that, or something similar, if you had opened your eyes and done even a little homework before the 2016 election. Apparently you didn't. And apparently still don't. The real problem, of course, is that Trump is incompetent, ignorant, and impulsive - all fundamentals of extreme narcissism - which is a really bad combination and makes him a very dangerous man. Dangerous to the Constitution; dangerous to democracy; dangerous to the rule of law. That's why he needs to go.

And as for illegal drugs crossing the border? Demand ALWAYS creates supply. Supply doesn't create demand. No addicts NOB (or no profits resulting from decriminalization), then no drugs cross the border. It's as simple as that. That's not a chicken and egg scenario. That's Economics 101.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Tuesday, December 03, 2019, 05:25 (6 days ago) @ jay

:megusta: :megusta:

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by Oeste Hermoso @, Zihuatanejo, Tuesday, December 03, 2019, 12:23 (6 days ago) @ jay

There is an economic argument that supply creates demand. That was the basis for the Laffer Curve, supply side economics etc.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, December 03, 2019, 12:46 (6 days ago) @ Oeste Hermoso

There is an economic argument that supply creates demand. That was the basis for the Laffer Curve, supply side economics etc.

I believe it's a losing argument in this case, counselor, but you're welcome to try to make it. The only place your argument holds water is relevant to the collusion between U.S. doctors and Big Pharma cooperating to get so many hundreds of thousands of people addicted to their damn opioid pills. A uniquely U.S. situation because of their for-profit so-called "health care" system that is no such thing, especially if you're poor but not poor enough.

The "build it and they will come" approach by developers has left us with a lot of pink elephants and unprofitable ventures, Disney World notwithstanding. Now AMLO wants to build his "Tren Maya", and he claims that it has been deemed profitable by leading investment firms, but the devil's in the details. Where the profits are is in the construction. After it's built it's very unlikely it will remain profitable, but the investors will have already received their profits because they will have been paid for the construction and ancillary work. Doesn't mean the concessionaires will make any money. Personally I think it's a huge waste of resources and that tour buses can do the same thing more profitably while spreading around the wealth better.

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by DGPMich @, Tuesday, December 03, 2019, 13:25 (6 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

End this nonsense et all! Ix/Zih is too special to be caring on for so long in this thread! Everyone has a right to their beliefs. ENOUGH!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, December 03, 2019, 13:58 (6 days ago) @ DGPMich

End this nonsense et all! Ix/Zih is too special to be caring on for so long in this thread! Everyone has a right to their beliefs. ENOUGH!

:wtf:
Don't like the heat stay out of the kitchen. The good counselor and I are having a little intellectual sport, now if you don't mind...


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by Casa Juan @, Tuesday, December 03, 2019, 13:58 (6 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Rob I agree 100% with you that the Mayan Train is a serious waste of resources. Too bad AMLO is so committed to the project. Sadly, he certainly has thrown a lot of effort to further build up tourism in Yucatan and Cancun