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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, January 10, 2020, 12:26 (9 days ago)

Haven't I been saying for years that the government only cares about counting warm bodies to achieve its cifras alegres regarding our local tourism? Well, yes I have. And true to form yesterday the state and local governments were bragging about Zihuatanejo-Ixtapa having the highest percentages of any Mexican tourist destination for the Christmas and New Year holidays. Never mind that most of the visitors spent very little if money purchasing local goods beyond basic necessities: mostly just restocking their coolers. If it weren't for the foreigners who vacation here, most merchants would have had few if any sales over the holiday season. Inexpensive restaurants are one of the few sectors that profit from the tour bus groups. Zihuatanejo cannot survive on these non-spending tourists, and it's a shame to see the government acting like it's done something extraordinary by having so many of these tour bus groups visit us. In Ixtapa the preponderance of All-Included hotels has all but killed the local shops and restaurants in the shopping centers. But at least that fact has finally come to be the general consensus locally after I've been saying the same thing for at least 15 years.

How'd it get to be Friday again so soon? :wtf:

A fisherman prepares his panga to head out to work. No fighting with traffic or rush hour here.
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According to our gober precioso the work on rebuilding the pier is 85% completed.
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A typical morning at our Playa Principal. Lots of fishermen coming and going while pelicans wait for some loose change.
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by Canada Pete, Friday, January 10, 2020, 12:32 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I recall us having a chat about Americans and Canadians dropping a million dollars a day into Ixtapa - Zihu and you chastised me saying it's was Mexican tourism that carried the area.

Change of heart ?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, January 10, 2020, 13:36 (9 days ago) @ Canada Pete

I recall us having a chat about Americans and Canadians dropping a million dollars a day into Ixtapa - Zihu and you chastised me saying it's was Mexican tourism that carried the area.

Change of heart ?

I think you aren't reading what I wrote very carefully. My comment was about tour bus tourists inflating high season statistics. I stand by my earlier comment. They do not contradict each other.

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by Ironwood @, Friday, January 10, 2020, 18:23 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I recall us having a chat about Americans and Canadians dropping a million dollars a day into Ixtapa - Zihu and you chastised me saying it's was Mexican tourism that carried the area.

Change of heart ?


I think you aren't reading what I wrote very carefully. My comment was about tour bus tourists inflating high season statistics. I stand by my earlier comment. They do not contradict each other.

I guess we've led sheltered lives here in Zihua for the past 20 years, but I was shocked to read recently that many bus tourists sleep overnight in the buses....and apparently have for years. We recently noticed large crowds standing around in the huge bus parking lot near Plaza Kyoto, having their breakfasts cooked on portable stoves. Quite believable that these visitors don't spend a lot of money in town.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, January 10, 2020, 19:04 (9 days ago) @ Ironwood

I recall us having a chat about Americans and Canadians dropping a million dollars a day into Ixtapa - Zihu and you chastised me saying it's was Mexican tourism that carried the area.

Change of heart ?


I think you aren't reading what I wrote very carefully. My comment was about tour bus tourists inflating high season statistics. I stand by my earlier comment. They do not contradict each other.


I guess we've led sheltered lives here in Zihua for the past 20 years, but I was shocked to read recently that many bus tourists sleep overnight in the buses....and apparently have for years. We recently noticed large crowds standing around in the huge bus parking lot near Plaza Kyoto, having their breakfasts cooked on portable stoves. Quite believable that these visitors don't spend a lot of money in town.

Locally there's a lot of discussion and disagreement about regulating this type of tourism including banning most tour busses from La Ropa, like they are supposed to be banned from downtown, because they simply do not fit on our small streets. Years ago when our local tourism authorities went to several inland cities ostensibly to promote Zihuatanejo-Ixtapa this is the type of tourism they apparently drummed up. Inflates numbers and looks good on paper as long as you exclude or fudge other numbers such as la derrama económica. One of the problems is they are displacing other groups of tourists. Another is they foment the growth of the informal economy such as the illegal restaurants that set up at La Ropa selling seafood even though they have no running water, no drainage or bathroom, and they tend to toss their garbage where it doesn't belong. There's an argument that this type of tourism should not be promoted, though of course not banned either. Wandering vendors love them as do many restaurants at Las Gatas, Isla Ixtapa and Playa Linda because they consume something, even if it's just families with coolers and their own food just consuming a few snacks, refrescos and beer.

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by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Friday, January 10, 2020, 19:24 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I recall us having a chat about Americans and Canadians dropping a million dollars a day into Ixtapa - Zihu and you chastised me saying it's was Mexican tourism that carried the area.

Change of heart ?


I think you aren't reading what I wrote very carefully. My comment was about tour bus tourists inflating high season statistics. I stand by my earlier comment. They do not contradict each other.


I guess we've led sheltered lives here in Zihua for the past 20 years, but I was shocked to read recently that many bus tourists sleep overnight in the buses....and apparently have for years. We recently noticed large crowds standing around in the huge bus parking lot near Plaza Kyoto, having their breakfasts cooked on portable stoves. Quite believable that these visitors don't spend a lot of money in town.


Locally there's a lot of discussion and disagreement about regulating this type of tourism including banning most tour busses from La Ropa, like they are supposed to be banned from downtown, because they simply do not fit on our small streets. Years ago when our local tourism authorities went to several inland cities ostensibly to promote Zihuatanejo-Ixtapa this is the type of tourism they apparently drummed up. Inflates numbers and looks good on paper as long as you exclude or fudge other numbers such as la derrama económica. One of the problems is they are displacing other groups of tourists. Another is they foment the growth of the informal economy such as the illegal restaurants that set up at La Ropa selling seafood even though they have no running water, no drainage or bathroom, and they tend to toss their garbage where it doesn't belong. There's an argument that this type of tourism should not be promoted, though of course not banned either. Wandering vendors love them as do many restaurants at Las Gatas, Isla Ixtapa and Playa Linda because they consume something, even if it's just families with coolers and their own food just consuming a few snacks, refrescos and beer.

Rob- loaded question but I just can't help asking:
What's your impression of the expat or foreign tourist over the last 10,20,30 years?
In terms of numbers as well as their "consuming" tendencies?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, January 13, 2020, 12:32 (6 days ago) @ mosesk

I recall us having a chat about Americans and Canadians dropping a million dollars a day into Ixtapa - Zihu and you chastised me saying it's was Mexican tourism that carried the area.

Change of heart ?


I think you aren't reading what I wrote very carefully. My comment was about tour bus tourists inflating high season statistics. I stand by my earlier comment. They do not contradict each other.


I guess we've led sheltered lives here in Zihua for the past 20 years, but I was shocked to read recently that many bus tourists sleep overnight in the buses....and apparently have for years. We recently noticed large crowds standing around in the huge bus parking lot near Plaza Kyoto, having their breakfasts cooked on portable stoves. Quite believable that these visitors don't spend a lot of money in town.


Locally there's a lot of discussion and disagreement about regulating this type of tourism including banning most tour busses from La Ropa, like they are supposed to be banned from downtown, because they simply do not fit on our small streets. Years ago when our local tourism authorities went to several inland cities ostensibly to promote Zihuatanejo-Ixtapa this is the type of tourism they apparently drummed up. Inflates numbers and looks good on paper as long as you exclude or fudge other numbers such as la derrama económica. One of the problems is they are displacing other groups of tourists. Another is they foment the growth of the informal economy such as the illegal restaurants that set up at La Ropa selling seafood even though they have no running water, no drainage or bathroom, and they tend to toss their garbage where it doesn't belong. There's an argument that this type of tourism should not be promoted, though of course not banned either. Wandering vendors love them as do many restaurants at Las Gatas, Isla Ixtapa and Playa Linda because they consume something, even if it's just families with coolers and their own food just consuming a few snacks, refrescos and beer.


Rob- loaded question but I just can't help asking:
What's your impression of the expat or foreign tourist over the last 10,20,30 years?
In terms of numbers as well as their "consuming" tendencies?

All tourists and temporary residents create demands for services, whether we already have them or not. Most bring their cultural baggage with them, but if they want to be a part of the Mexican community they'll come to shed some if not most of it. Most are respectful, but some are not. Tourists are pretty much the same everywhere. They're here briefly to relax and unwind, it's HOW they do those things that matter. The fact that we now have a "putamovil" that drives through downtown Zihuatanejo advertising a strip club and its hookers while families with their children are walking about pretty much says it all. And of course there are those folks we know here and elsewhere as the "condo commandos" whose purchasing tendencies give developers all the excuse they need to commit ecocide after ecocide, among other problems their line of work creates. Creating jobs for the sake of creating jobs is their vacuous justification. Hell, pimps and narcos create jobs all the time. It doesn't mean they're a positive contribution to the community, and the bienestar of the community should always come first.

More by accident than design I've lived in tourist destinations most of my life. It's a rough relationship at times but I try to be tolerant of the shortcomings of some visitors. But what I cannot tolerate are the folks who are supposed to plan and protect our future selling the golden goose for personal gain.

Many of the folks who read this Message Board and who visit Zihuatanejo fill Lupita's heart and mine with their kindness, their goodwill, their compassion and their love. Even if they sometimes do wrong while trying to do good, as has happened in some instances while trying to help local children get an education. It has been a most fulfilling experience for me to watch this website develop a following and even its own community. Yes, I had to run a few people away after trying to be tolerant perhaps for too long, but now I see a community of respectful people who also impart that same respectfulness to other newcomers. One of the most important things to me is not only helping to bring customers to some of the local businesses and thus make a positive contribution to the community, but helping the folks who visit here to get more out of their visit. When I see you sharing local courtesies with others, greeting strangers and being respectful as you walk about, helping keep the beaches clean, bringing donations for the less fortunate, and especially telling the folks back home about the beauty of our region and its people, then I feel like I've accomplished much more than to make a living here. Some of you come by such behavior naturally, but others have had little things pointed out to you here by me and others that helped modify your behavior for the better. Folks were getting "woke" here about Zihuatanejo long before that expression ever existed. And for me that is the cherry on top of the proverbial cake for which I will be forever grateful.

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by Sandy feet @, Seattle, Monday, January 13, 2020, 14:15 (6 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Beautiful post, Rob. :vivamexico:

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by Susan G @, Zihua/La Ropa, Friday, January 10, 2020, 22:08 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

We have come to Zihua for 40 years and retired and constructed a home here 5 years ago. My take has always been that Mexican families have their official holidays during Semana Santa (this year April 6-17) and Christmas holidays. We avoid the holiday traffic by stocking up on food/alcohol and settling in at home. Plus, we have little dogs (Westies) who are terrified of fireworks.

This year, I was fortunate to walk La Ropa Beach 7:30 am daily from Dec. 16-Jan. 6 with a Mexican neighbor who visited Zihua from Mexico City. We both felt the excitement of the families, many of whom had never seen the ocean. We were fortunate this year to see foreigners and city workers picking up beach trash.

My wish is for the tour bus organizers to explain to their passengers to not throw trash, nor poo or pee on the beach. This should be a city ordinance.

I agree with Rob in that the Ixtapa commercial businesses have suffered with the increase of "mandatory" all-inclusive hotels that should instead offer "optional" all-inclusive" hotels. This may fall under the Ixtapa hotel association (ROB?) in coordination of the city's tourism personnel.

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by Sandy feet @, Seattle, Friday, January 10, 2020, 22:33 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Seen plenty of them drunk and using the sidewalks as a urinal.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Saturday, January 11, 2020, 06:16 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

We have often seen some of these visitors walk into a beach-side restaurant with a cooler. They sit down at a table and eat and drink what they brought; rarely do they order anything. Upon departure, their trash stays on the table. Amazing that the restaurants allow this kind of behavior.

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by Casa Juan @, Saturday, January 11, 2020, 08:05 (9 days ago) @ frostbite

I have never understood restaurants that allow patrons to bring their own drinks and food to the tables can't imagine it does not have a serious impact on the bottom line.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, January 11, 2020, 09:05 (9 days ago) @ frostbite

We have often seen some of these visitors walk into a beach-side restaurant with a cooler. They sit down at a table and eat and drink what they brought; rarely do they order anything. Upon departure, their trash stays on the table. Amazing that the restaurants allow this kind of behavior.

The restaurants always make money off of them. Sometimes they simply charge a minimum fee for the use of the tables and chairs. It's not like the place is busting over with middle-class tourists or better looking to fill up the restaurants, so SOME business is better than NO business.

Of course if the restaurants refused to serve them even though they only buy a bottle of water and a plate of guacamole the tourists would denounce them to PROFECO. Mexico's beaches are supposed to be public to everyone, and the restaurants are not supposed to discriminate.

Of course maybe it's just me, but I never wanted to hang out at a beach where I couldn't afford the services, but the tour operators don't care what problems they cause for us locally as long as they make their money. Isn't that what greed-driven laissez faire capitalism is supposed to be about?

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by midalake @, Friday, January 10, 2020, 20:57 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Haven't I been saying for years that the government only cares about counting warm bodies to achieve its cifras alegres regarding our local tourism? Well, yes I have. And true to form yesterday the state and local governments were bragging about Zihuatanejo-Ixtapa having the highest percentages of any Mexican tourist destination for the Christmas and New Year holidays. Never mind that most of the visitors spent very little if money purchasing local goods beyond basic necessities: mostly just restocking their coolers. If it weren't for the foreigners who vacation here, most merchants would have had few if any sales over the holiday season. Inexpensive restaurants are one of the few sectors that profit from the tour bus groups. Zihuatanejo cannot survive on these non-spending tourists, and it's a shame to see the government acting like it's done something extraordinary by having so many of these tour bus groups visit us. In Ixtapa the preponderance of All-Included hotels has all but killed the local shops and restaurants in the shopping centers. But at least that fact has finally come to be the general consensus locally after I've been saying the same thing for at least 15 years.

How'd it get to be Friday again so soon? :wtf:

A fisherman prepares his panga to head out to work. No fighting with traffic or rush hour here.
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According to our gober precioso the work on rebuilding the pier is 85% completed.
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A typical morning at our Playa Principal. Lots of fishermen coming and going while pelicans wait for some loose change.
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Looks like DEAD Sail Fish on that cooler cover.

D

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by rojo, Friday, January 10, 2020, 21:30 (9 days ago) @ midalake

Come on, you really think because its on the cooler, it might not be alive

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by midalake @, Friday, January 10, 2020, 22:28 (9 days ago) @ rojo

Come on, you really think because its on the cooler, it might not be alive

Amazing how ones perception of words and be taken differently. I never inferred it was "alive", however my point was it is a Sail Fish. WHICH is not supposed to be indiscriminately killed.

Are U a trump voter?

D

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, January 10, 2020, 22:35 (9 days ago) @ midalake

Come on, you really think because its on the cooler, it might not be alive


Amazing how ones perception of words and be taken differently. I never inferred it was "alive", however my point was it is a Sail Fish. WHICH is not supposed to be indiscriminately killed.

Are U a trump voter?

D


Pez vela is almost always for sale openly at the mercado de los pescadores every single morning as are a great deal of other fish of all types and sizes.

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by midalake @, Friday, January 10, 2020, 22:37 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Come on, you really think because its on the cooler, it might not be alive


Amazing how ones perception of words and be taken differently. I never inferred it was "alive", however my point was it is a Sail Fish. WHICH is not supposed to be indiscriminately killed.

Are U a trump voter?

D


Pez vela is almost always for sale openly at the mercado de los pescadores every single morning as are a great deal of other fish of all types and sizes.

OK, just kill the oceans off then.

D

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, January 10, 2020, 22:44 (9 days ago) @ midalake

Come on, you really think because its on the cooler, it might not be alive


Amazing how ones perception of words and be taken differently. I never inferred it was "alive", however my point was it is a Sail Fish. WHICH is not supposed to be indiscriminately killed.

Are U a trump voter?

D


Pez vela is almost always for sale openly at the mercado de los pescadores every single morning as are a great deal of other fish of all types and sizes.


OK, just kill the oceans off then.

D

That’s what the big fishing operations do. Won’t be long till all those big chain seafood restaurants across the USA won’t have anything to sell. Do they make simulated seafood from soy yet? Cause they’re burning the rain forest to plant soy and raise cattle.

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by ToddJerad @, Friday, January 10, 2020, 23:32 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

https://vegnews.com/2019/1/6-vegan-fish-foods-that-will-fool-any-pescetarian

yes, Insanely creative , delicious products replicating fish out there. I’ve had it in asian fish soups, coconut “shrimp”, and even “Tuna” sashimi from tomatoes. Soy is one base to achieve it, yet wheat protein, and vegetables are others. Might as well start evolving your taste buds if you’re going to be a champion for this planet.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Friday, January 10, 2020, 20:57 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:stirpot: and seriously so.

Our favorite source for dirt, read potting soil, is the nursery inland and just north of the Y to Petatlan, on the way to the airport. When we visited it on December 6, we asked because the lot next to it was full of trucks dumping loads of fill. We asked about it and were told that it was being made into a parking lot for the buses that couldn't park at Playa la Ropa because there wasn't enough room.

We know who the lot belongs to and his son is the one we were told was doing the development.

Anyone know anything more??