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by Keytime, Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 14:31 (22 days ago)

Maybe one of the most detailed explanations of how the system tries to function.


A continuación se muestra la cartilla William Mertz:

June 13th, 2020

COVID 19 and Mexico, more specifically Troncones:

There are so many questions floating around, so much misunderstanding and so much misinformation. I am going to once again try and sort this out for you and add my little spin on it as well:

Please understand there are 4 levels of "rules and regulations" happening here and rarely are they in agreement with each other. Also understand there is little to no law enforcement to make certain rules are being followed even though in the beginning there was action from the military on keeping people off the beaches.

Level 1 is Federal. On April 1st the Federal government declared ALL beaches closed in Mexico. They ordered all hotels to STOP taking in guests and to not accept new reservations until further instructed. THIS IS STILL IN EFFECT! There have been modifications and additions to this regarding the closing of all nonessential businesses as well. THIS IS STILL IN EFFECT! The Federal Government is using a red light, orange light, yellow light, green light system for designating on a State level where each state stands on a week by week basis. Red meaning all of the above is still in effect. Lighter colors indicate various lifting of restrictions. The problem with this is many folds. First, it changes. If the state was orange then goes back to red. The colors are decided by current cases of the virus and increases and decreases in those numbers. There is little to no enforcement of this ruling after the first couple of weeks.

Level 2 is State. Many states are not following the guidelines or rulings and are setting up their own criteria for opening. They are going municipality by municipality and opening by the same criteria of the number of cases, increases and decreases. Again minimal enforcement.

Level 3 is municipal. States are divided into municipalities much like counties in the US. Each with its own government. They are making decisions on a local level based on whatever they want to base it on. MORE IMPORTANTLY, the majority of enforcement or lack of enforcement from the two levels above is going to fall to this level and whether or not they act on it. This varies widely from region to region.

Level 4 is community. As we saw with Troncones, Barra de Potosi and MANY other places in Mexico, local communities decided to lock themselves down to protect their citizens. This has been done with varying degrees of success and lengths of time. I know some communities are still locked down and tighter than ever. I have seen photos of fences put on the beach in Barra de Potosi to keep people crossing into town from Playa Larga. But let's stick to our town of Troncones. Initially, the "filter" was set to exclude ANYONE not a resident to Troncones THAT WAS ALREADY HERE. This means if you were a homeowner or condo owner you could not enter to go to your own property. No vendors, construction workers or anyone else was allowed in. This created a lot of friction and was quickly relaxed to various degrees. Construction workers, deliveries and vendors were allowed in, but no tourists or homeowners. Residents could come and go as needed as we were restricted in the beginning. All of this served itself well to keep out the Semana Santa crowds that likely would have put us all at more risk. However, the filter gradually became more and more porous and honestly wasn't serving the purpose anymore and in general no one wanted to continue manning it. In addition, a certain amount of local merchants were asking it to be disbanded as the financial harm has been extreme for them. It has now been removed and anyone can come and go as they choose.

Now in reality there is a level 5. That is individuals and individual businesses. My following commentary is not judgment or meant to point out anyone in particular as each case and person is making choices. Some businesses, hotels and restaurants are open, some have been open and some are just opening others choose to remain closed. I think and hope that all of them are following higher standards of sanitation and taking into account new mandates by the government for hospitality workers and businesses. But never the less, people are opening and receiving customers. There is no one here that will be monitoring and/or training anyone so it will be up to the individual places to do as they should to make their clients comfortable and safe.

Here are some personal observations and points. All of this is play it by ear, it changes constantly and there is no one looking after this. It will be up to individual tourists if they choose to visit, when and for how long. There are no travel restrictions here.

The most frequent QUESTION is when will everything return back to normal. There is no answer because it relies on something beyond anybody's control, which is the "pandemic". I can't imagine how numbers of cases will ever decrease until the virus either runs its course or there is a vaccine. For the moment people are adjusting to the new normal and that normal involves a certain level of risk and a certain level of putting others at risk as well.

There is a program that the Federal Government is putting in place that requires restaurants and hotels to become CERTIFIED for dealing with the situation. They are online courses offered through the Health Department (IMSS/CLIMSS) and supposedly no one is allowed to open without these certifications and without being inspected for compliance. HOWEVER again, no enforcement. The sheer number of businesses and the lack of personnel to do inspections clearly puts all of this in doubt, though I do APPLAUD THE EFFORT.

I am tempted to turn off comments for this post as it is overall a statement of facts not really open to interpretation but I will leave it open for now to see how it goes. I AM NO EXPERT on any of this. I simply read as many news sources as possible and try and make sense of what I take in. I may not be correct on everything here, but I am doing my level best.

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by Tucker62 @, Vancouver, Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 10:37 (21 days ago) @ Keytime

This is an excellent post. It helps me understand the situation and aligns with everything I've observed. I can add that there are municipal employees assigned to keep people off Playa La Madera during business hours, and there are occasional armed patrols by the various militia. I haven't observed any arrests, just instruction and compliance. Thank you!

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by MN-ExPat, Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 12:56 (21 days ago) @ Keytime

8 years in and a Permanente of older years and healthy más o menos, I wear a mask in Z Centro and at businesses I must frequent. And I am very compassionate towards my Mexicanos vecinos who are experiencing a new level of need. And I am in favor of not opening for general tourism at this time, Friends I talk with tell me they are waiting for October now. Health concerns are central.

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by anotherrob, Thursday, June 18, 2020, 11:42 (20 days ago) @ MN-ExPat

We came over to Troncones yesterday took my 11 year old son for a well deserved boogie board session at the far end of town. We were alone for most of the time until a local Abuelo had the same idea for his grandson. We stay apart from each other and gave the beach up for them. We had a great shrimp lunch at local place that seem to be doing things right with masks, sanitizer, etc. Have had good surf days at Saludita and on last big swell at Las Gatas. Also Manzanillo Bay if you have a boat or 4x4 is a great day swimming/snorkeling hole. With no tourists and so much space at all our beaches it doesn't make sense to have them closed. The healthiest thing is to be out in the Pacific with a snorkel mask!

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by Pam in NJ ⌂ @, Morristown, NJ, Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 18:32 (14 days ago) @ anotherrob

if the beaches are closed - - why are you boogie boarding? just wondering.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 18:39 (14 days ago) @ Pam in NJ

Troncones isn't/wasn't closed.

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by Pam in NJ ⌂ @, Morristown, NJ, Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 19:57 (14 days ago) @ Talley Ho

I'm not sure where you are getting your information. Troncones had a filter in place from April 10th until about 2 weeks ago. If I could have traveled in May to go to my house, I would not have been allowed in....so I would say it was CLOSED.

It is also my understanding that Guerrero is still "RED" which means the beaches are closed and hotels can not take on new guests. (I know a lot of people that were stranded in Troncones during the closure and stayed where they were)

So....since the Governor of Guerrero has yet to open the beaches....in the entire state....why are people driving to Troncones, Saladita and everywhere else to go to the beach?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 20:13 (14 days ago) @ Pam in NJ

I'm not sure where you are getting your information. Troncones had a filter in place from April 10th until about 2 weeks ago. If I could have traveled in May to go to my house, I would not have been allowed in....so I would say it was CLOSED.

It is also my understanding that Guerrero is still "RED" which means the beaches are closed and hotels can not take on new guests. (I know a lot of people that were stranded in Troncones during the closure and stayed where they were)

So....since the Governor of Guerrero has yet to open the beaches....in the entire state....why are people driving to Troncones, Saladita and everywhere else to go to the beach?

Somewhere along the way you assumed these are laws when they are simply voluntary guidelines. Hotels ARE accepting reservations and rural beaches ARE for all intents and purposes open because it harms no one to allow people in rural open spaces. Only in Zihuatanejo-Ixtapa will authorities come escort you off the beach because they are areas where people congregate in large enough numbers for it to be a problem if safe distancing isn't respected.

You could have returned to your Troncones house at any time. No one there ever had the authority to block you from doing so, which was the objection I made to them originally that I hope had something to do with them scrapping that overly strict response.

Regardless of what's happening in the rest of Guerrero or what happens among the non-tourist community, folks here are going to reopen lodgings and restaurants to the degree that it is possible for them to do so while abiding by the new requirements for health safety. I have every confidence in our lodging and restaurant operators, and I certainly hope non-essential businesses will be permitted to reopen soon because starvation is NOT an option. We aren't receiving stimulus checks, and no one is helping the majority of people who have no savings, no funds to fall back on. I agree with my fellow zihuatanejenses that 4 months is long enough for us to have gone without income. The great majority of people here live day by day, and I really have no idea how most folks have been getting by because the few community kitchens set up by the military and the few organizations helping to feed people still don't even reach 10% of the population. Starvation is NOT an option. We're opening up. And I am confident folks here in the hospitality industry will get it right.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 20:46 (14 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:

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by Keytime, Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 21:01 (14 days ago) @ Talley Ho

And, Back to the first posting of this subject. For us that want to obey rules and expect others to as well, Mexico is just not your place to be. Don't try Seattle either. :-D

Just go with it, play dumb and show respect to others. If that does not work, take the muffler off our car and turn up the bass as loud as you can. If you do it LOUD, it has to be good.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 21:11 (14 days ago) @ Keytime

Try living where people are actually starving.

Bet you don't get it.

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by Keytime, Wednesday, June 24, 2020, 09:12 (14 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Ha, You bet wrong. I do get it. The subject was not starving people. If you want to start a new subject, please do so.