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by Skink, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 13:09 (18 days ago)

Asking for a friend...it it possible to drive from Canada to Mexico in these Covid times?....tx in advance

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by Ironwood @, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 13:17 (18 days ago) @ Skink

Asking for a friend...it it possible to drive from Canada to Mexico in these Covid times?....tx in advance

No.

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by Roberto!, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 13:20 (18 days ago) @ Skink
edited by Roberto!, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 13:39

It was reported on Global News a couple from Invermere B C planning on driving to Mexico were turned back at the U S border.

Even though they were only in the U S for a brief amount of time, they are required to self isolate for 14 days.
Roberto!

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 14:10 (18 days ago) @ Roberto!

It was reported on Global News a couple from Invermere B C planning on driving to Mexico were turned back at the U S border.

Even though they were only in the U S for a brief amount of time, they are required to self isolate for 14 days.
Roberto!

Well, that certainly does not seem very neighborly on the part of the United States. U.S. citizens are allowed to drive through Canada as long as they are going to Alaska and don't stop in Canada.

C'mon, Trump! Canada is our ally! (Or at least, they used to be...)

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by Little Guy, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 16:57 (18 days ago) @ Padrino

Well, that certainly does not seem very neighborly on the part of the United States. U.S. citizens are allowed to drive through Canada as long as they are going to Alaska and don't stop in Canada.

Americans driving through Canada between Alaska and the lower 48 states are travelling from one part of the USA to another part of the USA. That is treated differently than third-country travel.

Having said that, the Alaska consideration is biting Canadians a bit as some Americans who are receiving the consideration are abusing it.

Here is one example from September.

https://www.globalnews.ca/news/7318019/american-family-caught-alaska-loophole/amp/

They were fined only C$2000. Hardly a slap on the wrist. Given the consideration that Canada is giving to Americans, I think deportation and the subsequent legal implications for future travel would be more appropriate.

This is not new either. Here’s a half-dozen from report back in July.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/british-columbia/2020/7/30/1_5045526.html

Here is another one with a slap on the wrist for an American entering Canada illegally.
The Canadian woman involved shares responsibility and I think out to experience a significant consequence as well.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-u-s-man-arrested-fined-for-picking-up-b-c-girlfriend-by-boat/wcm/ec9b6146-8828-416a-b26d-6982f7ce...

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 22:55 (18 days ago) @ Little Guy

So frustrating as there has been a lot of this abuse throughout the summer and especially as things got really bad in several states and people were trying to find ways to get out of dodge. I can only imagine if Canadians were caught doing the same in the US and the consequences. Our government has been way too soft on this abuse.

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by Wonderful Wino, Tuesday, October 20, 2020, 09:50 (10 days ago) @ Padrino

I just read this on Mexico News Daily:

For travelers wanting to cross the Mexico–United States border by vehicle or on foot, the wait for an open border continues: the two nations have agreed to keep their land borders closed for another month, until November 21.

“After reviewing the development of the spread of Covid-19, Mexico proposed to the United States the one-month extension [allowing] only essential land crossings at its common border,” the Ministry of Foreign Affairs posted on its Twitter account Friday.

The extended land-crossing ban expires November 21 but it has been extended every month since it was first implemented in March.

Movement between the two countries — except for reasons of commerce and essential travel — was banned by mutual agreement by both governments on March 21 in order to halt the spread of Covid-19.

Mexicans with legal permission to work in the U.S. will continue to be allowed entry, and air travel between Mexico and the U.S. will still be allowed.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, October 20, 2020, 11:12 (9 days ago) @ Wonderful Wino

In real life the border into Mexico is fully open and both FMM and TIP (vehicle permits) are being issued just like normal.

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by Wonderful Wino, Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 10:04 (8 days ago) @ Talley Ho

A little clarity:

Traveling to Mexico from the United States
Mexico has not imposed any legal restrictions on passengers or vehicles entering Mexico by land from the United States; however, we understand that tourists may be turned away and that several towns near the US land border have set-up road blocks to demand ID from people arriving; people are being turned back at these road blocks if they cannot prove they live locally.

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by Mexalberta @, Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 11:57 (8 days ago) @ Wonderful Wino

Prudent at this time. Good for them.

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by Ironwood @, Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 12:42 (8 days ago) @ Wonderful Wino

A little clarity:

Traveling to Mexico from the United States
Mexico has not imposed any legal restrictions on passengers or vehicles entering Mexico by land from the United States; however, we understand that tourists may be turned away and that several towns near the US land border have set-up road blocks to demand ID from people arriving; people are being turned back at these road blocks if they cannot prove they live locally.

So, even if the land border between Canada and the US opens, (which is currently closed until at least 21 November...and it appears that, while Trump would like to have opened it months ago, Canada is more likely to extend the closing well into next spring), driving another 3000 km to the US/Mexico border would be a crapshoot. Who wants to run a gauntlet of armed vigilantes.....undoubtedly the same ones who'll be intimidating US voters at the polls in a couple of weeks.

As for flying, that link to the story of how safe it is must be taken with a grain of salt. Consider the source. If I was so inclined, I'd attach the lists of airlines and flight numbers here in Canada reporting passengers who've tested positive.

That said, we still haven't decided on going to Z or not....or when.... or how to get there. I don't mind reading opinions pro or con, but the more I read, the more I believe getting a direct flight Canada/Mexico makes the most sense. Anything to avoid having to go into the US, for a growing list of reasons.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 14:03 (8 days ago) @ Wonderful Wino

Actually the information that you have is not correct.

The Good Sam Club, Woodalls, and RV.net have a forum on RVing in Mexico and South America. There are a number of very current postings, one from a resident of Puerto Penasco who often leads RV groups to his town. He is very well respected and his information is current: https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/30150573.cfm

Another one of the "regulars" that we had lunch with here last week averages four crossings each way monthly. He has been crossing at different crossings and just did a delivery for a woman in Troncones. Here is his current most recent posting, https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/30147962.cfm

For both links, it's worth reading the entire thread.

We have had two different couples from RV's talk to us on the beach when we were doing our morning thing in the last two weeks and both had no issues what so ever with any of their permits or along the way. I specifically asked them.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 13:27 (18 days ago) @ Skink

The US Mexico border, yes, it is definitely open to tourists.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 14:12 (18 days ago) @ Skink

No you can't! You will be stopped at the Canada/USA border and turned around as only essential travels are allowed through. The US/Mexico border is open but that won't do anything for Canadians willing to drive.

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by Rigamarta, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 14:55 (18 days ago) @ cd69

Well there you have it. Clear as mud.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 15:11 (18 days ago) @ Rigamarta

Not sure how much clearer it can be. Pretty straightforward. Question asked, question answered and no, you can't drive from Canada to Mexico at the moment.

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by Lalo @, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 15:50 (18 days ago) @ cd69

You can however, ship your vehicle to the USA ( say perhaps Palm Srings ), then fly there and pick up you car and carry on. Just need deep pockets!

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 22:53 (18 days ago) @ Lalo

No you can't. Only essential services are allowed across the border so you could not fly to the US either. Funny you mention this as it was on the news today regarding Canadians trying to get to their winter destinations and being turned around at the border and now looking at alternatives. What is doable but expensive is having your RV/camper taken to your mexican destination by a special trucking company or by ship and you flying there.

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by Pegger, Winnipeg,mb, Sunday, October 11, 2020, 23:29 (18 days ago) @ Lalo

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Monday, October 12, 2020, 00:30 (18 days ago) @ Pegger

This is an article dating back to June and the info on the news today indicated this is no longer the case.

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by Little Guy, Monday, October 12, 2020, 00:53 (18 days ago) @ cd69

This is an article dating back to June and the info on the news today indicated this is no longer the case.

Is this the case?

It's a quirky rule that has confounded many people: while the Canada-U.S. land border is closed to non-essential traffic due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Canadians can still fly to the United States for leisure travel. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-u-s-border-closure-fly-travel-covid-19-1.5754763

The article is from October 10, 2020.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Monday, October 12, 2020, 02:09 (18 days ago) @ Little Guy

Very interesting as the news I saw today were from the same source, ie CBC and was showing the issue for people who wanted to bring RV's and the likes into the US and could not cross and they seem to indicate you could not fly either. This rule makes no sense.

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by Ironwood @, Monday, October 12, 2020, 02:20 (18 days ago) @ cd69

Very interesting as the news I saw today were from the same source, ie CBC and was showing the issue for people who wanted to bring RV's and the likes into the US and could not cross and they seem to indicate you could not fly either. This rule makes no sense.

Your post is a little confusing: no one can cross a land border from Canada into the US, with or without an RV. Yes, Canadians can fly into the US for any reason at all. Obviously it's the USA that seems not to know what they're doing.

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by ZihuaRx @, Monday, October 12, 2020, 07:57 (18 days ago) @ Ironwood

A buddy of mine flew to Phoenix from Canada 3 days ago. Not a problem. They tried to drive the day before (his wife has an appointment at the Mayo Clinic), but they wouldn't let them pass, even with the confirmation of the appointment. When they flew they didn't even mention the medical appointment. And yes, Canadians who can afford it, often go to the States for specialized medical treatment.

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by Little Guy, Monday, October 12, 2020, 09:30 (18 days ago) @ Ironwood

Your post is a little confusing: no one can cross a land border from Canada into the US, with or without an RV. Yes, Canadians can fly into the US for any reason at all. Obviously it's the USA that seems not to know what they're doing.

Your post is a little confusing. ;-)

Americans can cross a land border from Canada into the USA, with or without an RV. Similarly, Canadians can cross a land border from the USA into Canada. These are rights of citizenship of each country.

Canadians do not have a right to enter the USA. Similarly, Americans do not have a right to enter Canada.

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by Rigamarta, Monday, October 12, 2020, 10:01 (18 days ago) @ Little Guy

Cd69 says it can't be much clearer. Who is right and who is wrong?

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by Little Guy, Monday, October 12, 2020, 11:46 (17 days ago) @ Rigamarta
edited by Little Guy, Monday, October 12, 2020, 11:52

Cd69 says it can't be much clearer. Who is right and who is wrong?

I’m not sure what you mean about it can’t be much clearer, that it is not possible to drive? Or that it is/isn’t possible to fly?

Although Canadians are not permitted to drive to the U.S. for leisure travel, they can still fly to the country.

Ambarish Chandra, an associate professor of economics at the University of Toronto, told CTVNews.ca that this has "always been the case" since the start of the pandemic.

However, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection says Canadian air passengers can still enter the country as long as they haven't visited Brazil, China, Iran, Ireland, the U.K. or countries in the Schengen Area for 14 days prior.

Canada prohibits U.S. visitors, except those with immediate family in Canada, from entering the country by all modes of transportation, including by plane.

The border restrictions apply specifically to land crossings because these entry points are less challenging to control and monitor, according to Chandra.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/why-can-canadians-still-fly-to-the-u-s-it-s-not-up-to-canada-1.5107317

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by Ironwood @, Monday, October 12, 2020, 13:20 (17 days ago) @ Little Guy

Your post is a little confusing: no one can cross a land border from Canada into the US, with or without an RV. Yes, Canadians can fly into the US for any reason at all. Obviously it's the USA that seems not to know what they're doing.


Your post is a little confusing. ;-)

Americans can cross a land border from Canada into the USA, with or without an RV. Similarly, Canadians can cross a land border from the USA into Canada. These are rights of citizenship of each country.

Canadians do not have a right to enter the USA. Similarly, Americans do not have a right to enter Canada.

Man, this sounds more and more like a "Who's on first" routine, and you're Lou Costello.
---Canadians cannot cross a land border into the USA, period.
---Canadians can fly from Canada into the USA, for any reason, anytime.
---US citizens can cross the land border into Canada only if they are transitting to Alaska, and cannot "lollygag" on the way, under threat of very heavy fines.
---US citizens apparently cannot fly into Canada.
---As for Canadians who find themselves out of Canada and wish to return to Canada, whether by land or air, regardless of whether they are returning from the USA or any other foreign country, they obviously have a right of return, but must quarantine for 14 days on their return.
---The same "right of return" would presumably apply to US citizens wishing to return to the US from any other country, whether by land or by air. There are apparently no US quarantine requirements.

I don't know the situation re the US/Mexico border, but my understanding is there are no restrictions for travellers crossing into or out of Mexico, either by land or by air.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Monday, October 12, 2020, 14:44 (17 days ago) @ Ironwood

I don't know the situation re the US/Mexico border, but my understanding is there are no restrictions for travellers crossing into or out of Mexico, either by land or by air.

Well, it's complicated. The temporary ban on "non-essential travel" into and out of Mexico is still in place, at least until October 21st. In practice, this is only applying to Mexicans. United Staters* can easily cross into Mexico (at least at the major border crossings like our San Ysidro/Tijuana crossing) and the Mexican authorities are not stopping us. We can then cross back into the U.S. since we are citizens. For a few days, the U.S. agents were "educating" people about the travel restrictions and the border waits went from typically 2 to 3 hours to up to 9 hours. Thankfully, that is over now. (I have a SENTRI card and our border wait is typically 10 to 15 minutes and sometimes up to 45 minutes. Mi tarjeta de SENTRI vale mas que oro!)

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/09/18/fact-sheet-dhs-measures-border-limit-further-spread-coronavirus

*I love the Spanish translation of United States Citizen, estadounidense! I am a United Stater!

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Monday, October 12, 2020, 14:55 (17 days ago) @ Padrino

RV's with both permanent residents and visitors are easily passing back and forth over the US border in every place that has reported in with my forum. That covers Nogales, Tijuana and a number of crossings in Texas. The vehicles are plated in both the US, Canada and Mexico.

When questioned, the Mexico border officials are saying that there is no problem getting both vehicle and personal (FMM) paperwork at the border.

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by Ironwood @, Monday, October 12, 2020, 16:18 (17 days ago) @ Talley Ho

RV's with both permanent residents and visitors are easily passing back and forth over the US border in every place that has reported in with my forum. That covers Nogales, Tijuana and a number of crossings in Texas. The vehicles are plated in both the US, Canada and Mexico.

When questioned, the Mexico border officials are saying that there is no problem getting both vehicle and personal (FMM) paperwork at the border.


It's mind-boggling that some travellers, heading north or south in RVs, have pulled up to the Canada/US border, and been shocked to find they couldn't cross.
Ignorance is not always bliss.

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by Little Guy, Monday, October 12, 2020, 16:58 (17 days ago) @ Ironwood

It's mind-boggling that some travellers, heading north or south in RVs, have pulled up to the Canada/US border, and been shocked to find they couldn't cross.
Ignorance is not always bliss.

This is the one that got me.

Barbara Moller and John Grant Howse own property in La Paz, where they usually spend half the year. On Thursday, the Inveremere, B.C., couple loaded up their trailer with intent to drive down to the property. Instead, the U.S. border agent told them they’d have to pull a U-turn and head back to Canada.

How could some plan such a trip involving three countries and two land borders that are supposedly closed for non-essential travel, without having thoroughly researched the logistics and legal issues?

Then to top it off they had this to say.

We were spoken to as if we were a couple of dummies or something.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7390454/canadians-denied-entry-forced-to-quarantine/

If it walks like a duck...

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 15:36 (15 days ago) @ Little Guy

No kidding!

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 15:35 (15 days ago) @ Ironwood

:megusta:

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by Ironwood @, Monday, October 12, 2020, 15:58 (17 days ago) @ Padrino

*I love the Spanish translation of United States Citizen, estadounidense! I am a United Stater!

Don't you dare call yourself an American. On this Board, that's really poking the bear.

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by Susan G @, Zihua/La Ropa, Monday, October 12, 2020, 19:54 (17 days ago) @ Ironwood

I am an American. I was born there but have lived here in Zihua for 5 years. But I am not proud of the current US administration. We are caught in a worldwide pandemic so a lot of travel plans are affected.

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by Ironwood @, Monday, October 12, 2020, 21:49 (17 days ago) @ Susan G

I am an American. I was born there but have lived here in Zihua for 5 years. But I am not proud of the current US administration. We are caught in a worldwide pandemic so a lot of travel plans are affected.

Sorry, Susan G - you misunderstood. Nothing against Americans. I guess it's an inside joke, poking fun at our Board host, who insists that everyone living between Baffin Island and Tierra del Fuego is an "American".

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Monday, October 12, 2020, 22:30 (17 days ago) @ Ironwood
edited by Padrino, Monday, October 12, 2020, 22:39

Sorry, Susan G - you misunderstood. Nothing against Americans. I guess it's an inside joke, poking fun at our Board host, who insists that everyone living between Baffin Island and Tierra del Fuego is an "American".

Yes, many United Staters are baffled by this distinction. Personally, I never use the term American when I am in Mexico, usually referring to myself as a "gringo" or "estadounidense" depending upon the present company. However, the Mexicans and many others in many other countries do refer to us as Americans. Sometimes in Mexico, you hear "norte americano" which sorta' doesn't make sense since both Mexico and Canada are also in North America. In fact, unless I am mistaken, what we in the U.S. call the Mexican-American War is referred to as the North American Invasion in Mexico. (Let me check on that before I make myself look more like the fool that I am ... okay, I got some more precise names from Wikipedia and other seemingly reputable websites.) Sorry 'bout that. It is often referred to as the "Intervención Estadounidense en México." Another textbook references the Mexican name as the North American Invasion.

In fact, I love the beginning of this one University of Michigan website: When asked about the Mexican American War; most Americans would probably give a lost and questioning reaction. However for Mexicans, they would probably remember this war passionately; “It is a scar for them.”

This is the reason for one of my favorite statements about the United States / Mexico relationship, especially here close to the border with Tijuana. "We Americans don't think much about Mexico and south of the border. The Mexicans can't stop thinking about the United States and north of the border."

I just want to say that I am so grateful for this website. I adore Zihuatanejo and long for a time when I can return, hopefully sooner than later. Nightly I come by to get my, "Zihua Hit!" Many thanks, Rob and company. Due to the current state of affairs in the United States, I have withdrawn from most all Internet forums and news website because of the acrimony and chaos. Sadly, there is even some on this website but thankfully not enough to keep me away. My love of Zihuatanejo keeps me coming back for more!

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by Susan G @, Zihua/La Ropa, Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 09:25 (17 days ago) @ Padrino

Ironwood & Padrino - yes, I'll always be a gringa, no matter how long I live here. Many thanks to Rob for putting up with all of us. Hahaha.