Requiem for a Republic?

by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Friday, November 13, 2020, 08:53 (20 days ago)
edited by Padrino, Friday, November 13, 2020, 09:04

Hello, Fellow Zihuatanejo Lovers. First, I want to thank Rob, yet again, for offering us this valuable forum. Each night, I check in to read about the latest developments in my favorite little corner of the world. It is now the only social Internet venue that I use, having forsworn other forums long ago and having never used Farcebook, Titter, Claptrap, and any of the other various antisocial media. There is simply too much rancor, anger, sniping, name-calling, etc. The insidious viruses of fear and loathing even infect this humble forum from time to time. Yet the draw of Zihua beckons me back every night. And given the recent lengthy exchange about our election here in the United States, I feel that I can safely share with you my personal thoughts, predictions, and fears. Indeed, I don’t know any other place that I would want to share them with. With all seriousness, I believe there is a very small probability that the United States is in dire peril in the next several weeks. However, I believe there is a 100% probability that our democratic republic will struggle to survive into the not too distant future.

The election is over. Joe Biden has won. Donald Trump has lost. However, as you are all painfully aware, Mr. Trump refuses to concede and is spinning a narrative that the election was stolen. No credible evidence has been given as indeed, there is none. You can bet a whiskey barrel full of cash that every Secretary of State, every Registrar of Voters, every poll worker, and all the other staff way on down the line, must have known beforehand that their actions would all be under the 10,000 watt media spotlight for this election since Mr. Trump has claimed for several months that there would be widespread fraud and cheating, once again without providing any shred of evidence.

We are left with several questions but the main question is, “Why?” Why is Donald Trump doing this? What are his motivations? He is well aware that he lost the election. No doubt he has been counseled that his legal maneuvers can not and will not succeed in reversing the election. What are his desired outcomes? Many of the best political minds of our nation and indeed, the world, are scratching their heads and trying to formulate their best guesses.

Let’s not enumerate them all but the proposed reasons range from simply giving himself time to lick his wounded ego and accept defeat to setting the stage for a Trump TV show where he can continually cry that the election was stolen and beg his followers to please send in plenty of hundred dollar bills for his victorious comeback in 2024. Forgive me for being an alarmist, but I believe his goal is far more sinister. I believe that Donald Trump will only leave the White House in either a straitjacket or handcuffs. As his former lawyer, Michael Cohen, said in prepared testimony before Congress, “Indeed given my experience working for Mr. Trump I fear that if he loses the election in 2020 that there will never be a peaceful transition of power, and this is why I agreed to appear before you today.”

I believe that Mr. Trump is working behind the scenes to determine if he can perpetrate a coup d'etat. Throughout his tenure, we could see him probing the various branches of the military to ascertain if he could get them to obey his extrajudicial and illegal requests. The consistent response from all branches of the military have been, “No. No. No. No. No.” The FBI, CIA, NSA, and other law enforcement and intelligence departments have also given him the cold shoulder. On the other hand, he has found some acceptance within the State Department, the Justice Department, and the Department of Homeland Security. He was successful in getting various policing groups from the Department of Homeland Security to do his bidding in Washington, D.C., Portland, Oregon, and a few other locations. However, while these groups have shown great relish and prowess in busting the heads of “looters and thugs” (also known as peaceful protesters), they are no match for our military.

This may be why Mr. Trump fired Mark Esper, the Secretary of Defense. Mr. Trump will need to neutralize the military if his goons are to be effective in putting down the massive protests that will result from a coup. Mr. Trump supporters will, of course, be welcome in the streets but the “Antifa terrorists” will be dealt with severely. If Mr. Trump really is serious, we will most likely see the heads of the FBI and CIA fired within the next few days. For a coup to be successful, it will most likely need to be done before December 14th when the electors from all the states cast their votes for the next President. Or it might be accomplished over the Holidays as the Congress does not formally accept the vote of the electors until January 6th of 2021. In any event, after January 20th, Mr. Biden will be in control of the military and that would be the end of any coup attempt. It will not be easy and Mr. Trump will need help. I do not doubt that Mr. Putin of Russia would be happy to oblige.

Do you believe I am being too alarmist? Please note the words of Vladimir Lenin: “There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.”

Okay now, let’s bring ourselves back to earth and acknowledge that this scenario has about a 1 in 100 chance of being initiated and a 1 in 1,000 chance of succeeding. However, the second peril that I mentioned at the onset has a 100% probability of happening because it is already well under way: The United States of America is literally tearing itself apart.

Seventy-five million voted for Joe Biden; seventy million voted for Donald Trump. It is impossible to know how many of those who voted for Trump are his hard-core supporters, his true believers, his “deplorables” who have eagerly embraced the epithet Hillary Clinton foolishly gave them in 2016. However, it is these people who scare me far more than Mr. Trump. These are people who literally only believe what their “Beloved Leader” tells them. There are numerous interviews with members of this group that boggle the imagination.

“Mr. Trump said X / did Y / lied about Z.”

“No, he didn’t. You’re wrong. The <insert corrupt or Socialist here> Democrats are the one who said Z / did Y / lied about Z! They want to destroy America!”

“Please, look here. Here is the video / document / testimony. We have proof that it was Mr. Trump who said X / did Y / lied about Z.”

“You are wrong! You are an elite globalist! You are a Marxist lib-tard! You are anti-America! I only believe what Donald Trump says. Everything else is Fake News!”

No doubt, you know at least one of these individuals yourself. For two further examples, I give you my sister-in-law and my dear, sweet aunt of 82 years. My sister-in-law told my wife this past summer that the Covid-19 virus was a Democratic hoax and would disappear on November 4th. My dear, sweet aunt of 82 years told me that God chose Donald Trump to save us from the homosexual Democrats and that we must build a wall with Mexico because the Mexicans are all criminals and are invading the United States. Ah, my wife and sister-in-law have not spoken for many weeks now. I send Christmas cards and birthday cards to my aunt with photos of my many travels in Mexico. Interestingly, we haven’t spoken in a long time, either.

It may seem amusing on the surface but the consequences of a large percentage of the population who deny reality, even when it stares them directly in the face, are deadly serious. Why? Because if we don’t somehow heal our country’s divisions and somehow bring back respect for one another, respect for science, respect for truth, respect for nature, respect for the rule of law, respect for all peoples of the world, etc., then someone far worse than Mr. Trump is bound to come along. That someone will be far more cunning and diabolical. That someone will not be a buffoon and will not fawn and coo under the ego-stroking, lovingly counterfeit gaze of dictators such as Putin, Kim Jong-un, Xi Jinping, etc. That someone will recognize said dictators as fellow criminals against humanity who can help him bring about a dictatorship in the United States. That someone will know how to utilize the “deplorables” for far more deadly endeavors than just stroking a fragile ego during fascist-inpired rallies right out The Lord of the Flies or 1984.

During the Cold War, the Soviets quickly determined that there was no way they could ever defeat the United States militarily. Their only hope for victory over the United States was to have the U.S. fall from within. They focused on our original sin, racism. However, their feeble attempts at starting a race war in Pravda and their other media outlets were laughable. Oh, how the world has changed! Although we can’t put all the blame on Russia, through the Internet, we have created the means by which Mr. Putin -- that old Cold Warrier who pines for the glorious return of the Soviet Empire -- and his minions now help sow the seeds of distrust, anger, and hatred of one another.

That same distrust, anger, and hatred are now tearing our great nation apart. I am not alone in my fears. You may not know the name Jeffrey Gundlach nor heard of Doubleline Investments. Mr. Gundlach, who heads Doubleline, is a celebrated bond guru and is not bashful with his opinions nor predictions. He was one of the few who believed Mr. Trump would win in 2016 and believed Mr. Trump would win a second term. While the latter prediction turned out to be wrong, he is also quoted as saying that he, too, believes that our nation is tearing itself apart. Mr. Gundlach predicts a possible split of the nation into more than one country. Personally, I don’t think that would happen. More likely, I believe that another demagogue, far more dangerous and stealthy, will mold our country in the model of Putin’s Russia or Erdoğan’s Turkey. Then, our nation will be a democratic representative republic in name only. Those who don’t have a portrait of our new and improved “Beloved Leader” prominently displayed in their homes will simply disappear or accidentally fall down a flight of stairs or mistakenly ingest a lethal poison, etc.

Now just look at what I have done! I've gone and spoiled your morning, afternoon, or evening. My apologies. Please do your best to tell me why I am a completely misguided and ill-informed individual and that I should stick to listening to Rob’s music and longingly gazing at his daily photos and keep my wild-eyed, harebrained, nonsensical conspiracies to myself. In the meantime, if you can think of an effective way to heal our tattered and torn nation, please respond directly to Joe Biden’s transition team. I am sure they will appreciate it. I certainly will. Thank you for your time and attention.

Respectfully submitted,

Frank Paiano
San Diego, California USA

Enclosures:

NBC News article discussing Michael Cohen’s testimony before Congress:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/27/michael-cohen-i-fear-trump-wont-give-up-the-white-house-if-he-loses-in-2020.html

Marketwatch.com (Wall Street Journal’s free website) comments on Jeffrey Gundlach prediction:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-u-s-could-split-up-gundlach-says-heres-how-hed-invest-for-that-11604352902

As if on cue, as soon as I finished the first draft of this missive, my much-smarter-than-me friend shared this story with me:
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-really-stage-coup-experts-011835905.html

First of a series of YouTube videos entitled, “Trump supporters say the darndest things”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLxx1AsL3rc

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by Susan G @, Zihua/La Ropa, Friday, November 13, 2020, 09:20 (20 days ago) @ Padrino

Well said!

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by midalake @, Friday, November 13, 2020, 09:58 (20 days ago) @ Susan G
edited by midalake, Friday, November 13, 2020, 11:03

The Republican hate and fear machine should be disbanded and sent to the top and bottom of the earth and banished forever!

ALSO, as stated above, if anyone wants to read about the Roman empire and Tiberius Gracchus, PLEASE DO. The spot on comparisons will scare you to death. The link below will get you started.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-isnt-julius-caesar-hes-republic-killer-tiberius-gracchus
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by Bill Fun, Sunday, November 15, 2020, 13:34 (17 days ago) @ Susan G

I just wonder what the NY Times is going to do now that Trump is all but gone. They have spent the last four years blasting anything he does for what seems like the first four pages. Then they publish four or so editorial a day that basically said the same thing repeatedly about him. However, anything progressive gets a pass.

Portland's 100 days of looting, vandalism, violence's, arson, etc, hardly gets mention. In my opinion - they lost any semblance of balance coverage.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, November 15, 2020, 14:13 (17 days ago) @ Bill Fun

I just wonder what the NY Times is going to do now that Trump is all but gone. They have spent the last four years blasting anything he does for what seems like the first four pages. Then they publish four or so editorial a day that basically said the same thing repeatedly about him. However, anything progressive gets a pass.

Portland's 100 days of looting, vandalism, violence's, arson, etc, hardly gets mention. In my opinion - they lost any semblance of balance coverage.

You should be more worried about 72 million people living in the USA who gave their support to the pathological liar, sexual predator, racist, most inept occupant ever of the White House, many of those people still living in an alternate reality believing the election was fraudulent. And you should be concerned about what the failed wannabe dictator and psychopathic narcissist will do with the state secrets he still has access to. I have no doubt whatsoever he’s been selling out the USA and will continue doing so, especially after he got caught, impeached, and was given carte blanc by the spineless self-serving Republican Senate.

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by qwerty @, Oregon, USA, Sunday, November 15, 2020, 15:37 (17 days ago) @ Bill Fun

Do you live in Portland? If not, you really have no idea of what's happening here. I'm not surprised that the New York Times is not reporting daily, they're in New York, not Portland. While I wish the protests were completely peaceful, I also have to be encouraged and proud of the younger generation that is stepping up and of the people of color who are finally able to try to make their voice heard. The antiwar protests of the late 60's and early 70's were not completely peaceful and vandalism free either. Later it was revealed that much of the violence was instigated by government agents.

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by Bill Fun, Sunday, November 15, 2020, 16:40 (17 days ago) @ qwerty

Perhaps you can better inform me. One question I have is what the Portland police did to deserve these 100 nights of attacks besides being severely taunted/provoked by rocks, feces, lasers, commercial grade fireworks, etc. showered on them due to something that happened in MSP. Why even a man was murder downtown for being a Trump supporter.

(P.S. no need to rush a reply since I will be shortly turning off my computer for the night.)

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by jay @, Sunday, November 15, 2020, 23:01 (17 days ago) @ Bill Fun

Perhaps you can better inform me. One question I have is what the Portland police did to deserve these 100 nights of attacks besides being severely taunted/provoked by rocks, feces, lasers, commercial grade fireworks, etc. showered on them due to something that happened in MSP. Why even a man was murder downtown for being a Trump supporter.

For the record, the man was murdered not for being a Trump supporter but for being a member of the Proud Boys, an extreme white-supremacist group (and who comes up these lame names anyway? Proud Boys? Boogaloo Bois? It's an indication of a grade-school playground mentality). And also for the record I abhor violence in all its forms.

While the George Floyd murder was the proximate cause of the protests, the Portland police has its own long history of abuses. And that's why the protesters were, and are, in the streets. It's become a test of wills. The protesters want fundamental change in policing, especially its seemingly cavalier attitude towards abusing its authority (and not being held accountable); vs police who think they're too restricted already and have no intention of reforming its practices. Police are practicing a rope-a-dope strategy, stonewalling and slow-walking reforms until protesters get cold and wet and go home. And why not? That strategy has always worked before, and appears to be working again.

The 'attacks' on Portland police have been heavily exaggerated by right-wing media, often dishonestly conflating attacks elsewhere with Portland protests, acts that are almost always committed by non-affiliated protesters, not members of BLM or antifa. I'm not saying that some of those attacks didn't occur, but simply not with the widespread frequency or intensity that Sean Hannity keeps blathering about. And it was all contained within a few square blocks around the Federal Building, not across the whole city as right-wing media suggested. In addition police have been too quick to officially declare a riot, and much of the ensuing 'rioting' has been provoked by a heavy-handed effort to enforce an arbitrary curfew. So there's lots of blame to spread around to all sides. Still, any violence is too much, whether committed by protesters or police.

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by Bill Fun, Monday, November 16, 2020, 07:38 (17 days ago) @ jay

Thanks, it is always good to get both side of a story, unlike what one reads in the NY Times where it can be heavily filtered to one side.

It seems to me it is a chicken-or-egg story with each side blaming the other for any escalation. Any excesses by their side is then blamed on others not affiliated with them or a few bad-apples.

I have not seen any mention in the media of even a few of the most egregious things the Portland police have done recently (prior to the riots) that would spark such violence. This is especially puzzling since Portland has the fewest persons of color of any big city with almost all of the rioters being white.

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by jay @, Monday, November 16, 2020, 08:32 (17 days ago) @ Bill Fun

Not all abuses are against blacks, nor do they all result in unnecessary deaths. So a lot of the more minor, garden variety abuses fly under the radar. It seems to me that the worst of the abuses here has subsided significantly over the last few years so maybe they're showing progress. But there's still a lot of work to be done. Crowd control is increasingly militaristic; addressing mental health calls leaves a lot to be desired; escalation as opposed to de-escalation is still a big problem; and they're utterly opposed to any civilian oversight. Not to mention the traditional cop omerta, the willingness of good cops to protect bad cops, complicity similar to a getaway driver on a bank job. Little will change until good cops understand that protecting bad cops is a cancer on their departments. These are the prospective reforms that are fueling the protests.

And I think that Portland protesters now see these protests as more than just a Portland problem. It's morphed into a symbol for police reforms nationwide.

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by Bill Fun, Monday, November 16, 2020, 09:33 (17 days ago) @ jay

Thanks - hope you have a great visit to Zihua either currently or in the future.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Monday, November 16, 2020, 11:00 (17 days ago) @ Bill Fun

Dear Bill Fun,

It appears that you believe that the New York Times is heavily biased against the right. As evidence, you point to their coverage of the Portland protests and violence. Can you give specific instances of this bias? Here is a search on the New York Times website for Portland violence: https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=Portland+violence

As you review the articles, remember to separate the news articles from the opinion and editorial pieces. It is a given that we are all human and that no news organization is totally unbiased. Reputable news organizations separate their news departments and their opinion and editorial departments. As you review these articles, I hope you find that the New York Times did a fairly good job of reporting the news, echoing the sentiments from many on this forum. The vast majority of protests were peaceful. Some agitators on the left and the right, including those from the Federal police forces sent by the President, sowed chaos, confusion,and violence.

With regard to their editorial and opinion pieces, one particular piece stands out. It is written by the Police Chief of Portland. In it, he decries the violence but also acknowledges that the underlying messages and petitions of the protesters need to be addressed. Alas, there was one opinion piece I remember reading during the protests that I can not find now. In it, the author (Bret Stephens? I don't recall.) was taking the left to task for not calling out the hypocrisy of supporting the Covid-19 induced prohibition of gatherings but staying relatively silent during the mass protests. This was my personal pet peeve with the left during the protests. Normally, I would have been out there on the streets with my "All Lives Matter Only When Black Lives Matter, Too" sign but the threat of contracting or spreading Covid-19 kept me at home.

Respectfully submitted,

Frank (Prefiero Paco cuando estoy en Zihuatanejo)

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by Bill Fun, Monday, November 16, 2020, 13:30 (16 days ago) @ Padrino

Thanks, I didn't see those opinion pieces you mentioned - but to be honest I only scan the top 4 or 5 top editorials every morning and don't look further down the page.

I do remember this summer that two NY Time writers quit in protest, with one saying that anytime he wrote anything critical of the left it seemed to go through endless reviews and re-write that went on forever with the piece never seeing the light of day. In contrast anything critical of Trump or the republicans would sail through with only a couple of quick reads.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, November 16, 2020, 17:30 (16 days ago) @ Bill Fun

Thanks, I didn't see those opinion pieces you mentioned - but to be honest I only scan the top 4 or 5 top editorials every morning and don't look further down the page.

I do remember this summer that two NY Time writers quit in protest, with one saying that anytime he wrote anything critical of the left it seemed to go through endless reviews and re-write that went on forever with the piece never seeing the light of day. In contrast anything critical of Trump or the republicans would sail through with only a couple of quick reads.

Good. Glad they're gone. The "left" seems to translate as "the voice of reason, compassion and education" while "the right" seems to translate into "alternate reality, evil and conspiracy theories".

Is this really a topic that needs to be discussed here? Maybe you all could exchange private messages?

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by ZihuaRx @, Monday, November 16, 2020, 09:28 (17 days ago) @ jay
edited by ZihuaRx, Monday, November 16, 2020, 11:49

Speaking of history....the proud boys were invented by Gavin McGinnis...while drinking heavily with friends. They have black and brown people in their group. A member of the group, married to a black woman (I think they have 3 kids) is serving 5 years in jail for beating someone up from the imaginary group Antifa. I abhor violence in all forms. Do you mean all forms UNLESS you are a member of the proud boys. That's what it sounds like. Gavin has a podcast called get off my lawn. You might actually like it Jay. If you do, you don't have to tell anyone (just kidding). He was the founder of Vice. Not sure, but Vice might lean a little to the left. Hope everyone has a great day!

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by jay @, Monday, November 16, 2020, 09:55 (17 days ago) @ ZihuaRx

Do you mean all forms UNLESS you area member of the proud boys. That's what it sounds like. Gavin has a podcast called get off my lawn. You might actually like it Jay.

I reread my post and I'm puzzled as to why you think I'm sympathetic to Proud Boys. But if that was the implication then I was unclear. I abhor violence and I abhor Proud Boys and all of their ilk.

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by ZihuaRx @, Monday, November 16, 2020, 11:48 (17 days ago) @ jay

Sorry, meant to imply that you appear it is kind of okay under certain situations (although you abhor violence) to kill a proud boy.

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by Ironwood @, Monday, November 16, 2020, 13:13 (16 days ago) @ jay
edited by Ironwood, Monday, November 16, 2020, 13:31

For the record, the man was murdered not for being a Trump supporter but for being a member of the Proud Boys, an extreme white-supremacist group (and who comes up these lame names anyway? Proud Boys? Boogaloo Bois? It's an indication of a grade-school playground mentality).

'Cuz "Brownshirts" might give people the right idea?

(and "Sturmabteilung" is too hard to pronounce)

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by jay @, Sunday, November 15, 2020, 21:21 (17 days ago) @ Bill Fun

I just wonder what the NY Times is going to do now that Trump is all but gone. They have spent the last four years blasting anything he does for what seems like the first four pages. Then they publish four or so editorial a day that basically said the same thing repeatedly about him. However, anything progressive gets a pass.

Portland's 100 days of looting, vandalism, violence's, arson, etc, hardly gets mention. In my opinion - they lost any semblance of balance coverage.

Actually, considering the overwhelming incidents of dishonesty and high crimes and misdemeanors, the NY Times went easy on Trump. After all, for a couple years they tried hard to avoid calling out his lies, referring to them merely as 'false statements'.

And while there were many incidents of vandalism and violence in Portland there were virtually no incidents of arson or looting, much less etc. Maybe elsewhere but not much in Portland. And much of that violence was committed and provoked by overaggressive police, particularly Trump's federal storm troopers who illegally descended on the city for a couple weeks. But I guess that doesn't fit the conservative narrative.

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by Sunlight Dancer, Monday, November 16, 2020, 11:40 (17 days ago) @ Bill Fun

I just wonder what the NY Times is going to do now that Trump is all but gone. They have spent the last four years blasting anything he does for what seems like the first four pages. Then they publish four or so editorial a day that basically said the same thing repeatedly about him. However, anything progressive gets a pass.

The New York Times has been around since 1851. I'm sure it will find interesting news to cover after Trump. Four years wasted on covering a narcissistic toddler is a mere fart in the wind in its long history.

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by Casa Juan @, Friday, November 13, 2020, 11:26 (20 days ago) @ Padrino

Frank your very detailed comments echo many of the sentiments I was feeling before I left Alaska in early October. Here In Mexico my thoughts are more focused on what is happening here and the world in general. It has been a nice break from the 24/7 divisive news/info in the US. This "too" shall pass, hopefully just like the corona virus. Buena fin de semana

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by Quadra Paul @, Friday, November 13, 2020, 12:52 (19 days ago) @ Padrino

Hey Frank, My suggestion is this. Take several deep breaths. Take your dog for a nice long leisurely walk. Admire the sights, breathe in the fresh air! Think about Zihua and how you feel when you're there. Now, is that any better?
There is a slim possibility that some of this may be true. I continue to believe that the Joint Chiefs and the military would never allow this to happen.

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by mindpilot, la Playa Buenavista, Friday, November 13, 2020, 14:21 (19 days ago) @ Padrino

All I can say is I believe you have likely never been less wrong. I too have dropped quite a few acquaintances, and lost some lifelong friends who became Trump supporters.

I share your fear. Even if the transition is officially relatively smooth and Trump walks out of the WH voluntarily, that does not change the cult that has grown up around him. The next few weeks, I believe will determine the future of the US for a long time to come.

For a good look at who Trump is, I recommend Michael Cohen's book Disloyal, and Mary Trump's book Too Much and Never Enough. Trump sees the world in stark black and white. In his world there are only winners and losers; to him the winner must always be Donald Trump, and everyone else must be a loser. His narcistic and sociopathic personality prevents him from experiencing most normal human emotions like empathy or compassion. For the most part the only joy he feels is in the pain of others...the losers. The only thing that has kept the US intact for the past 4 years, is that Trump is not very smart.

The fact that there are a significant number of USAonians who are completely supportive of a strongman dictator and the gratuitous violence and cruelty he brings down on his perceived enemies is a serious concern. There are people I used to call my countrymen, "my fellow Americans", who would gleefully watch leftists like me dragged off to a camp, or simply shot dead in the street. I do not believe that is an exaggeration. I have directly received those threats on social media.

Many, many Trump supporters will simply slide back into obscurity, take down their flags and signs, and within the next six months you'll be hard-pressed to find someone who will admit to voting for him.

But that doesn't change who they are and, as has been said many times, you cannot be an American and support Nazism. We literally had a war about that.

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by wisconsinjuan @, Friday, November 13, 2020, 16:51 (19 days ago) @ mindpilot

Just like 2016- two awful choices to vote for.

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by Quadra Paul @, Friday, November 13, 2020, 17:44 (19 days ago) @ wisconsinjuan

Half right on both counts.

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by Keytime, Friday, November 13, 2020, 18:49 (19 days ago) @ Padrino

Trump who? Lets forget it and move on. Not the place for politics and mind cluttering reality. This site is for what goes on in ZIHU and MEX and how we can all keep it the same and still make it better?

Sorry to burst you very informative bubble but at this point in time, I want to forget the last 4 years......

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by victorio, Friday, November 13, 2020, 20:58 (19 days ago) @ Keytime

Trump who? Lets forget it and move on. Not the place for politics and mind cluttering reality. This site is for what goes on in ZIHU and MEX and how we can all keep it the same and still make it better?

Sorry to burst you very informative bubble but at this point in time, I want to forget the last 4 years......

Hola
Totally agree with your comments. Rejoin Facebook if you want to go on political USA rants about politics. This isn't the place. Don't saturate this forum with your political rhetoric, as correct as it may be.

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by Quadra Paul @, Friday, November 13, 2020, 21:23 (19 days ago) @ Keytime

I would recommend that you not take your eyes off this guy until he finally ends up where he belongs: In Jail!
If you don't want to read this stuff, just move on!

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by victorio, Friday, November 13, 2020, 23:29 (19 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

I would recommend that you not take your eyes off this guy until he finally ends up where he belongs: In Jail!
If you don't want to read this stuff, just move on!

Hola
Thanks for the sound advice in your second comment. Years ago I used to be careful which posts that I opened. There were certain posters that I would not look at. I have become a little lax. I guess I will have to go back to doing that again. Thanks again for the reminder.

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by Finn, Friday, November 13, 2020, 20:13 (19 days ago) @ Padrino

I agree with all your thoughts and concerns and have been actively attempting to inform others of what will likely happen in the next few weeks. Adolph Hitler was another one who manipulated his racist and uneducated citizens to achieve his goals. He too was not an intellect but knew how to prey on peoples weaknesses to amass a following of the crazed. This orange skinned devil has more than God bless America on his mind.

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by Keytime, Sunday, November 15, 2020, 10:27 (18 days ago) @ Finn

The only thing on his mind is EGO. And the best thing you can do to hurt someone with a big EGO, is to Ignore them. Just do not listen, react, acknowledge. Best thing the media and everyone else can do right now is move forward. Like a bad golf shot. It was a bad shot, move on and hope your next shot it better.

Requiem for a Republic?

by Keytime, Sunday, November 15, 2020, 20:54 (17 days ago) @ Finn

The only thing on his mind is EGO. And the best thing you can do to hurt someone with a big EGO, is to Ignore them. Just do not listen, react, acknowledge. Best thing the media and everyone else can do right now is move forward. Like a bad golf shot. It was a bad shot, move on and hope your next shot it better.

Requiem for a Republic?

by midalake @, Sunday, November 15, 2020, 22:23 (17 days ago) @ Keytime

The only thing on his mind is EGO. And the best thing you can do to hurt someone with a big EGO, is to Ignore them. Just do not listen, react, acknowledge. Best thing the media and everyone else can do right now is move forward. Like a bad golf shot. It was a bad shot, move on and hope your next shot it better.

As my cousin who is a Doctor of Psychology states: Trump is a very sick man and needs help.

Requiem for a Republic?

by Casa Juan @, Monday, November 16, 2020, 07:06 (17 days ago) @ midalake

agreed, ignoring Trump is the best medicine for his problem.