Where is the enforcement

by victorio, Sunday, November 15, 2020, 23:33 (19 days ago)

Hola
Zihua has all these idealistic rules, but they are useless with no enforcement. Mandatory masks, who cares if nobody enforces it. The supposed pedestrian walkways in centro are full of motorcycles and cars. What is the point of having these "rules" if there is no enforcement? Fine a few people or the drivers.
End of rant.

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Where is the enforcement

by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Tuesday, November 17, 2020, 23:33 (17 days ago) @ victorio

Hola
Zihua has all these idealistic rules, but they are useless with no enforcement. Mandatory masks, who cares if nobody enforces it. The supposed pedestrian walkways in centro are full of motorcycles and cars. What is the point of having these "rules" if there is no enforcement? Fine a few people or the drivers.
End of rant.

Nov. 17 2020

@Victorio---> Surprised nobody "chimed in" yet on this.
The evidence is what you mention...."with no enforcement"....here in Z, that applies to just about anything you can think of that SHOULD be enforced, such as rules, ordinances, Environmental Norms, most laws, but obviously aren't.

As the saying goes: "la Autoridad brilla por su ausencia":vivamexico:

Though I did see a few operativos recently in the area of Plaza Kioto, and on Benito Juarez by López Impresores, with police checking motorcyles and some drivers. They did issue traffic citations, and even made a motorscooter with three passengers, inlcuding a 5 y.o, get off and walk away with her Mom, who was one of the 3 passengers.

A morning talk show host that via W.App & phone calls, takes denuncias from locals, frequently mentions la falta de gobernabilidad. He also believes as you suggested: Start imposing multas, and that should jolt people into compliance.
It's a story with no end in sight.

Where is the enforcement

by jay @, Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 02:43 (17 days ago) @ victorio

What is the point of having these "rules" if there is no enforcement?

Often the point is to make a moral statement about anti-social behavior that irritates community standards. And moral statements do have some value. Some behaviors, though, like spitting on the sidewalk or walking your dog on the beach, are minor enough that any legal sanctions might be too harsh, or even counterproductive.

Other regulations might be on the books to allow officials leeway to enforce or not as they choose. Like here in the states where having a burned out license plate light is illegal in most places. Minor enough, especially since reflective plates have been universal for many years and have made such lights irrelevant. But these regulations remain principally to allow cops to legally stop someone when they don't have any other legitimate reason. I've been stopped twice for that flimsy excuse, different cars and ten years apart. And ultimately both were solely because I was profiled.

Or a lack of enforcement may indicate that there just aren't enough resources or will to enforce regulations, even relatively major violations.

Or it may indicate a power structure that simply loves throwing its weight around.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 08:11 (17 days ago) @ jay

What is the point of having these "rules" if there is no enforcement?


Often the point is to make a moral statement about anti-social behavior that irritates community standards. And moral statements do have some value. Some behaviors, though, like spitting on the sidewalk or walking your dog on the beach, are minor enough that any legal sanctions might be too harsh, or even counterproductive.

Other regulations might be on the books to allow officials leeway to enforce or not as they choose. Like here in the states where having a burned out license plate light is illegal in most places. Minor enough, especially since reflective plates have been universal for many years and have made such lights irrelevant. But these regulations remain principally to allow cops to legally stop someone when they don't have any other legitimate reason. I've been stopped twice for that flimsy excuse, different cars and ten years apart. And ultimately both were solely because I was profiled.

Or a lack of enforcement may indicate that there just aren't enough resources or will to enforce regulations, even relatively major violations.

Or it may indicate a power structure that simply loves throwing its weight around.

Wow! Nice analysis, but pretty irrelevant here.

The reason laws aren't enforced including the theft of land is because politicians don't want to lose any votes. Recently our mayor announced he will "regularizar" another TWENTY-FIVE COLONIAS IRREGULARES, i.e. squatters communities. Instead of arresting them for land theft or at the very least removing them, the squatters will be REWARDED. They will garner the mayor hundreds if not thousands of votes in his bid for re-election. Makes me want to just run up the hillside, stake me a claim on some land with a lovely view, let some poor family stay on it for appearances sake until it's regularized, then sell it and make a tidy sum with practically no investment. That's what's been going on for decades on our hillsides, often with the help of well meaning but misguided foreigners caught in the middle of something they don't understand.

Traffic laws, well, first you have to know the law, and most Tránsitos haven't a clue what they are, and they also don't carry firearms so they're scared to pull strangers over or apply any laws on their own. That's what the retenes with police or Guardia Nacional are for. But the Tránsitos aren't afraid of extorting local drivers who look harmless.

The Guardia Nacional are making a difference, but just barely, and they still aren't like local cops who know the area, but they're learning.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Thursday, November 19, 2020, 16:55 (15 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

We have become friendly with the local Guardia Nacional that pass by our place occasionally. We offer them a place in the shade to rest and some refreshments on occasion. They are nice guys and are very respectful with us. I struggle to understand though what their presences has changed and what they are doing to improve the security situation. Crimes don't seem to be getting solved any more often. I am still regularly irritated by people not following traffic rules or pandemic precautions. Often times it is in plain site of one of the many different "law enforcement" patrols that are traveling around. Zihuatanejo seems just as safe as it always has, no better nor any worse. The only difference seems to be that now there are some young men with guns in white uniforms as opposed to green ones. :2c:

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Humberto Romero
www.casaarcoiriszihuatanejo.com

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Thursday, November 19, 2020, 17:10 (15 days ago) @ hromero

:megusta:

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, November 19, 2020, 19:00 (15 days ago) @ hromero

We have become friendly with the local Guardia Nacional that pass by our place occasionally. We offer them a place in the shade to rest and some refreshments on occasion. They are nice guys and are very respectful with us. I struggle to understand though what their presences has changed and what they are doing to improve the security situation. Crimes don't seem to be getting solved any more often. I am still regularly irritated by people not following traffic rules or pandemic precautions. Often times it is in plain site of one of the many different "law enforcement" patrols that are traveling around. Zihuatanejo seems just as safe as it always has, no better nor any worse. The only difference seems to be that now there are some young men with guns in white uniforms as opposed to green ones. :2c:

The white uniforms are the Policía Turística, and you're right, they're basically useless though it's not their fault. They only follow orders. The Guardia Nacional wear what is basically known as urban cammies, a blend of grays. They go toe to toe with the chicos malos who were doing a fairly good job of running Zihuatanejo until they came along. Violence and crime in general is nothing like it used to be. They patrol the downtown streets, the beaches, the neighborhoods and the countryside. Personally I'm damn grateful for their presence.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Friday, November 20, 2020, 11:56 (14 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Yes, I was referring to the Guardia Nacional uniforms that to me are white with grey mixed in. All they did was change their uniforms from green military uniforms to these more white ones. It is my understanding that virtually none of them have received law enforcement training. I agree with you that the transitos (with white shirts and dark pants) are more interested in who they can get a "propina" from than actually enforcing traffic laws.

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Humberto Romero
www.casaarcoiriszihuatanejo.com

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by Susan G @, Zihua/La Ropa, Friday, November 20, 2020, 15:44 (14 days ago) @ hromero

I always wave to them and thank them for protecting us. Just think, they've got to wear all those clothes and, no doubt, kevlar vests in Zihua's heat.

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by Casa Juan @, Friday, November 20, 2020, 07:24 (15 days ago) @ hromero

I never see the National Guard in the colonia where I live except in transit on Hwy 200 in trucks and occasionally on motorcycles on the Mahaua. On 11/18 I was stopped by the state police at a revision which reminded me that some of the local police may still not have any law enforcement training.

Where is the enforcement

by Casa Juan @, Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 09:47 (17 days ago) @ jay

Jay I would say based on being in Zihua the last 5 weeks, whatever virus restrictions exist are pretty much optional once you get away from El Centro, government entities and large commercial concerns.