Canceling my trip, CDC testing requirement last straw

by Ellisnet, Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 20:46 (6 days ago)

Just my luck I buy my plane ticket to Zihuatanejo 2 days ago for a one week trip in February and today the CDC decides it will require Covid testing for all coming to USA from foreign countries. Tempted to wait and see if Alaska Air comes up with a process for their passengers, but it seems the best thing to do is scrap the trip. Too many bad scenarios: can't locate testing, can't get test result in timely manner, yet another change in US travel policy, and of course the worst one of getting sick and being denied return via ANY method to my own country for medical treatment. FYI- really not interested in anybody's feedback about how I shouldn't have planned a trip at all. I have been very thoughtful and risk-averse about this, and nothing was decided lightly.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 20:49 (6 days ago) @ Ellisnet

Your presence will be missed.

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by midalake @, Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 21:00 (6 days ago) @ Ellisnet

Just my luck I buy my plane ticket to Zihuatanejo 2 days ago for a one week trip in February and today the CDC decides it will require Covid testing for all coming to USA from foreign countries. Tempted to wait and see if Alaska Air comes up with a process for their passengers, but it seems the best thing to do is scrap the trip. Too many bad scenarios: can't locate testing, can't get test result in timely manner, yet another change in US travel policy, and of course the worst one of getting sick and being denied return via ANY method to my own country for medical treatment. FYI- really not interested in anybody's feedback about how I shouldn't have planned a trip at all. I have been very thoughtful and risk-averse about this, and nothing was decided lightly.

Has ANYONE confirmed this INCLUDES US citizens????? :popcorn:

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 21:05 (6 days ago) @ midalake

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by midalake @, Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 21:12 (6 days ago) @ Talley Ho

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 21:15 (6 days ago) @ midalake

Along that line, we live here, and aren't going back.

However, as soon as the news was announced, I checked the ACLU website, I'd think they will have the scoop. Nothing yet, probably too fresh.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 22:00 (5 days ago) @ midalake

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-to-require-covid-19-tests-for-all-international-visitors-11610472867

This was discussed on several US TV news shows yesterday and today...

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Canceling my trip, CDC testing requirement last straw

by Craig AKA the cruise ship guy @, Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 21:14 (6 days ago) @ Ellisnet

I booked a quick trip Feb 12-16 and lucky for me my return trip just got canceled. Rebooked for May 14-22, hopefully things will get figured out by then. My wife gets her first shot this Friday and I get my second on the 20th. Hopefully they will make an exception for those that have been vaccinated. So funny how it’s ok to travel where Covid is peaking but you need to test if you go someplace that is doing much better than where you live. Seems that Mexico should be requiring a test not the U.S.

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by Zihuateco, Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 21:31 (6 days ago) @ Craig AKA the cruise ship guy

Yes, Alaska currently has an unreliable schedule. A reliable FAA source (college roommate) shared to avoid Feb travel due to anticipated change in US Covid Policy next week as tests results will be the norm for return travel. This leaves the airlines in limbo and unable to confirm return ($) on limited travelers.

I receive the Pfeizer vaccine this Friday and also curious how this plays with return to US test requirements. Any confirmation on cost and turnaround time for recognized test in Zihua?

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by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 22:33 (6 days ago) @ Zihuateco

Yes, Alaska currently has an unreliable schedule. A reliable FAA source (college roommate) shared to avoid Feb travel due to anticipated change in US Covid Policy next week as tests results will be the norm for return travel. This leaves the airlines in limbo and unable to confirm return ($) on limited travelers.

I receive the Pfeizer vaccine this Friday and also curious how this plays with return to US test requirements. Any confirmation on cost and turnaround time for recognized test in Zihua?

The NY Times article says:
"The new policy requires all air passengers, regardless of vaccination status, to get a test for current infection within the three days before their flight to the United States departs, and to provide written documentation of their test results or proof of having recovered from Covid-19."

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by Seamag51, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 15:19 (5 days ago) @ mosesk

We have to understand that the vaccination doesn’t keep you from contracting or spreading the virus. It is used to prevent you from becoming extremely ill from COVID-19.

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by mcnuttja, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 16:05 (5 days ago) @ Seamag51

Your Post is incorrect. The Vaccine WILL PREVENT the Disease in 95% of those receiving the Vaccine. You cannot spread the Disease unless you contract the disease and are one of 5% percent that it wasn't effective on.......

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by Seamag51, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 18:24 (5 days ago) @ mcnuttja

You are correct in that I stated it incorrectly. As yet, it is apparently unknown how they work.I just think that we don’t need to believe because we get a vaccine that we can go back to “normal”.
http://theconversation.com/coronavirus-few-vaccines-prevent-infection-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-152204
https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2020/12/covid-19-vaccines-transmission.html

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 18:56 (5 days ago) @ mcnuttja

As yet they haven’t shown that vaccinated people can’t spread Covid-19. That data should be out soon.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 22:05 (5 days ago) @ Timmac

That is the big unknown. We need a lot more data and hopefully with more people vaccinated and more time, we will be more informed. Depending on the vaccine taken, we do not know yet how long before you are considered "safe" after the second injection. Apparently some of the test subjects had issues after the first injection. Then again people react differently.

Canceling my trip, CDC testing requirement last straw

by Dale @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 00:33 (6 days ago) @ Zihuateco

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Why cancel?

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 08:20 (6 days ago) @ Ellisnet

Just my luck I buy my plane ticket to Zihuatanejo 2 days ago for a one week trip in February and today the CDC decides it will require Covid testing for all coming to USA from foreign countries. Tempted to wait and see if Alaska Air comes up with a process for their passengers, but it seems the best thing to do is scrap the trip. Too many bad scenarios: can't locate testing, can't get test result in timely manner, yet another change in US travel policy, and of course the worst one of getting sick and being denied return via ANY method to my own country for medical treatment. FYI- really not interested in anybody's feedback about how I shouldn't have planned a trip at all. I have been very thoughtful and risk-averse about this, and nothing was decided lightly.

As was announced recently in response to Canadian requirements, testing IS available here in a timely manner, and the testing locations ARE easy to locate. If you really want to come to Zihuatanejo, I see no obstacle in anything you've mentioned. Worst case scenario is you get Covid-19 and have to wait a few extra days in paradise for a positive test result, if it doesn't kill you of course.

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Why cancel?

by kathyMN @, Saint Francis, Minnesota, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 08:31 (6 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Can I recommend that someone post the locations, instructions, costs, and any other pertinent information somewhere that is super easy to find? We don't return to the US until April so have plenty of time to plan, but I can only assume that those tourists who come for one or two weeks will cancel if it seems like a hassle.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 08:55 (6 days ago) @ kathyMN

Can I recommend that someone post the locations, instructions, costs, and any other pertinent information somewhere that is super easy to find? We don't return to the US until April so have plenty of time to plan, but I can only assume that those tourists who come for one or two weeks will cancel if it seems like a hassle.

They've been posted already.

Lab Tests for Canadians - ZihuaRob, 2021-01-06, 09:08

Why cancel?

by ZihuaRx @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 08:55 (6 days ago) @ kathyMN

Look at Dale's post two above yours

Why cancel? What BS

by midalake @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 09:00 (6 days ago) @ kathyMN

Can I recommend that someone post the locations, instructions, costs, and any other pertinent information somewhere that is super easy to find? We don't return to the US until April so have plenty of time to plan, but I can only assume that those tourists who come for one or two weeks will cancel if it seems like a hassle.

Ya, I am here now too and do not plan on leaving till April. Having elder parents, this could be a problem with getting out fast. It think it's complete BS . STUPIDS can go to church services but because I decide to travel I'm the one that needs the test. :wtf:

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by catlover, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 09:11 (6 days ago) @ midalake

It is BS. Sounds like something the Michigan governor was behind.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 09:15 (6 days ago) @ catlover

It is BS. Sounds like something the Michigan governor was behind.

Trying to save thousands of lives is not stupid, though maybe in your case you aren't worth saving, I don't know, not for me to say, but from your attitude...

What a nasty childish comment about the Michigan governor who is dealing with Covidiots like you as well as armed insurrectionists. With that attitude, you really don't deserve to have anyone do anything nice for you.

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by midalake @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 09:36 (6 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
edited by midalake, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 09:42

It is BS. Sounds like something the Michigan governor was behind.


Trying to save thousands of lives is not stupid, though maybe in your case you aren't worth saving, I don't know, not for me to say, but from your attitude...

What a nasty childish comment about the Michigan governor who is dealing with Covidiots like you as well as armed insurrectionists. With that attitude, you really don't deserve to have anyone do anything nice for you.

:megusta: :jam:

My only thought is: which banned poster that returned is this?

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by midalake @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 09:34 (6 days ago) @ catlover

It is BS. Sounds like something the Michigan governor was behind.

Well I happen to support my Michigan Governor 100%. It is why our state has not been a train wreck since March.
I just feel a bit sorry for you if your business happens to not be in the best interest of humanity. But as stated before, quit crying, claim bankruptcy, and move on!
Because the Michigan Governor locked it back down [with keeping schools open] It is now seeing declining numbers for over three weeks. Who in their right mind would go to a bar, restaurant, movie theater in America right now????
Clearly not I. Sometimes you DO have to legislate stupid.

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by tadpole1 @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 10:22 (6 days ago) @ midalake

:megusta:

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 22:16 (5 days ago) @ midalake

:megusta:

Why cancel? What BS

by nicatnit, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 05:56 (5 days ago) @ midalake

I live at the Indiana/Michigan border so we get to experience what’s happening in both states. Indians is doing the same as Michigan with rapidly falling Covid cases ———— minus the stupid lockdowns which don’t work.

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by Bonnie, wherever you go, there you are..., Thursday, January 14, 2021, 17:11 (4 days ago) @ nicatnit

once a liar, forever a liar OR this guy just won't get off the faux news train? You decide...

The truth is as of Jan 8, Indiana is one of 20+ states with the fastest-rising Covid cases and deaths. This was from a sample of the previous 14-day period, of which Indiana had a 7% RISE in deaths. While Michigan is going in the right direction, with a -21% drop in their death toll over that same 14-day period, it is not dropping rapidly as our resident Covid expert claims. And that is probably due to lack of lockdowns.

As for the lockdowns? they appear to be working quite well in states whose citizens are adhering to them instead of watching faux news.....

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by Chas, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 20:14 (4 days ago) @ Bonnie

California is doing quite well?

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by Bonnie, wherever you go, there you are..., Thursday, January 14, 2021, 21:36 (4 days ago) @ Chas

no, unfortunately we don't have to quote statistics for California. Things are approaching horrifying there.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 23:32 (4 days ago) @ Chas

California is doing quite well?

No, we in California are not doing quite well. There is a sizable proportion of our population that for whatever reasons is simply not following best practices. Some wear their anti-mask / anti-social distancing proudly, proclaiming their constitutional and religious rights. Others seem to have given up and are just acting as if nothing is wrong. That is why I feel safer in Zihua than in San Diego.

I remember vividly a conversation about our culture from many years ago with a group of friends. One was a Chinese immigrant who opined, "You Americans have too much freedom." We were all stunned. In this situation, she may just be right.

Chas, are you happy that California is not doing well? Exactly what point are you trying to make? (The saying, "Don't feed the troll," is most likely very appropriate in this situation but somehow we need to initiate and continue a civil dialogue. Ha! I must be dreaming, right?)

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by mindpilot, la Playa Buenavista, Friday, January 15, 2021, 09:23 (4 days ago) @ Padrino

Cali-bashing seems to be a regular pastime around here.

On another note, back in the 80s San Diego hosted a theater company from the USSR. I actually went on a date with a Soviet security agent whose job it was to keep the performers safe, and from defecting.

It was the most interesting date I had ever been on, particularly regarding our discussions about different cultural definitions of freedom. She couldn't understand how we in the US could consider ourselves free when we for example didn't have guaranteed health care.

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by nicatnit, Friday, January 15, 2021, 11:11 (4 days ago) @ mindpilot

Guaranteed healthcare provided by the government isn’t a form of freedom so I don’t understand the point she was making. In the US we are free to choose how we obtain our healthcare. That’s one reason we are able to get state of the art healthcare via the free market. Though there are shortcomings for sure, freedom isn’t one of them

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Friday, January 15, 2021, 12:28 (3 days ago) @ nicatnit

Guaranteed healthcare provided by the government isn’t a form of freedom so I don’t understand the point she was making. In the US we are free to choose how we obtain our healthcare. That’s one reason we are able to get state of the art healthcare via the free market. Though there are shortcomings for sure, freedom isn’t one of them

Free healthcare does not equal freedom. However the US is the only First World country that doesn't provide free healthcare and that is absolutely scandalous. Those of us in the US, who can afford to pay for health care or health insurance are, indeed, able to get state of the art care, but there are countless numbers of people who can not and end up losing what little they have. A national embarrassment.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Friday, January 15, 2021, 18:47 (3 days ago) @ frostbite

:megusta:

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by nicatnit, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 11:24 (2 days ago) @ frostbite

What about the ER. You can’t get turned away there. That doesn’t happen in many countries. And what about Obama Care? I thought that solved the problem. Socialized Medicine is a controversial topic in the US. Two different sides to a complex issue. Free choice versus govt controlled healthcare.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 22:50 (2 days ago) @ nicatnit

What about the ER. You can’t get turned away there. That doesn’t happen in many countries. And what about Obama Care? I thought that solved the problem. Socialized Medicine is a controversial topic in the US. Two different sides to a complex issue. Free choice versus govt controlled healthcare.

The Affordable Care Act has not and was never meant to "solve the problem" of the broken health care system in the United States. It has certainly helped. However, beforehand the architects of the legislation knew that it would only cover some 20 million of the 45 million uninsured. The fact that the Democrats allowed it to be called ObamaCare was yet another example of the ancient but oh-so-true Will Rogers joke: "I don't belong to any organized party. I'm a Democrat."

The Democrats should have labeled it RomneyCare because it was taken almost verbatim from the efforts of then Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney years before. He got the idea from the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank. You can't make this stuff up! Fact is always stranger than fiction. Calling it RomneyCare would have blunted the Republicans' use of ObamaCare as a pejorative label and hopefully had them buy into making it a better piece of legislation.

Given the opportunity, no one in their right mind would have created a health care system such as we have in the United States. It was a series of unintended consequences, beginning with employer-sponsored health insurance during World War II as a perk because companies could not raise salaries because of war time restrictions. Obviously, no system is perfect. Ours has been a great boon for many, a disaster for many others. The problem that those who advocate "freedom of choice" (a euphemism for, "Sorry, Jack. Don't have insurance? Can't pay for your medical bills? Tough darts! You're on your own.";) do not understand the societal consequences of having a sizable portion of your population without basic health care. You can barricade yourself in a gated community, but that tuberculosis bacillus or Covid-19 virus doesn't care one squat who or where you are. A few years ago here in San Diego, we had a serious hepatitis outbreak. Why? Can you guess?

The epithet "Socialized Medicine" tries to make it sound as if caring for the health care needs of members of a society is some communist-inspired plot designed to overthrow democracy. Surely the health care systems of other industrialized countries that have the demonized socialized medicine systems are not perfect but consider this: We in the United States spend more than twice the average per capita health care costs than the average for the top 28 industrialized countries and yet our societal health is roughly the same. Something is obviously wrong. Our health care system is bankrupting us and we are no better off than others who are spending far less.

Of course, if anyone tells you they know how to fix the problem, that person is obviously either much smarter than the rest of us or is deluding themselves. We know the system is broken but we can not agree on how to fix it. Add to that the fact that there are very powerful entities that are profiting handsomely from the status quo and we will most likely continue bumbling along with very sad consequences for those unfortunate to be on the have-not side of the system.

I sure wish I knew what to do but I don't. It is most likely that there will never be a "Medicare for All" (trumpeted by the supporters) / "Socialized Medicine" (demonized by distractors) system in the United States because it is unlikely that those who have good insurance through their employers will vote for it. Most likely some kind of incremental Affordable Care Act / ObamaCare / RomneyCare series of legislative efforts will slowly bring everyone into some kind of insurance system, however piecemeal and bureaucratically inept it is put into place.

Not too optimistic, eh? Sorry. Please note that very soon if it has not happened already, 20% of the economy of the United States will be health care. That means one of our every five people will be somehow employed by the health care system. Instead of whispering, "Plastics," in the young-uns' ears, whisper, "Biotechnology."

Respectfully submitted,

That guy in San Diego hoping to start and continue dialogues with both sides of the political spectrum and maybe we can even get some constructive things done

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 05:55 (1 day, 18 hours, 28 min. ago) @ Padrino

:megusta: and thank you!

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by nicatnit, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 06:21 (1 day, 18 hours, 1 min. ago) @ Padrino

I like your thoughtful post. And I agree with just about all of it. Unfortunately in the US, we expect the best of everything as a nation of seemingly entitled citizens that get lots of perks from our government and there are opportunities our economy offer that are unmatched in the rest of the world. The evidence is easy to see. People from all over flock to the US every year. Unfortunately we expect the best of the best in everything, whether it be big Yv’s , smart phones, cable tv, internet in every square inch of the country, air conditioning for all and on and on. So we expect the best in our healthcare. State of the art for all, otherwise that would be discrimination, right. Government free healthcare can’t support multimillion dollar cancer treatment for every single person as an example. The US is usually on the leading edge for the latest and best treatment s, but with that comes a very high cost as Big Pharma recoups the costs of the wonderful drugs that get invented through the free market. This is not affordable for all. Under socialized medicine where do you draw the line. If I choose not to contribute to society why shouldn’t I get my multimillion dollar treatment . It’s my right as someone living here, right? I hope you see my point. Rationed care is what comes next. With all its shortcomings I still prefer the system we have. Though a two tier system that provides for basic healthcare for all would be a decent compromise imho.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 08:23 (1 day, 16 hours, 0 min. ago) @ nicatnit

Here's a European example: my mother, who had numerous medical problems, lived in Austria and had that country's "medicare-for-all" coverage. Rather than being on a ward with numerous other patients, she bought additional insurance which gave her a private room. Medical care was good and the same for all.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 08:47 (1 day, 15 hours, 36 min. ago) @ frostbite

Ah, Frostbite and Nicatnit, you have hit upon one alternative that just might gain traction, as they say, and become reality in that U.S. There is one large impediment. It was developed in France. Horrors! Heaven forbid that we UnitedStaters use anything designed in France! That would normally spell death for any endeavor but the system does have merits. There is a baseline level of health care. If you want more, you will either pay out of pocket or buy additional insurance. One thorny issue is who and how does the baseline level get drawn up but that just gives us another opportunity to rail against those darned bureaucrats and their wily ways, yes?

I may be totally mistaken but it appears from reports that something along the lines of this system has developed in Canada accidentally. The Canadian health care system will give you a baseline level of health care but if you don't want to wait for that MRI of your aching knee, you can jump across the border and pay for it in the U.S. (pre- and post-Covid, of course). Can any Canadienses chime in here?

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by golden boy @, Winnipeg, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 22:40 (1 day, 1 hours, 43 min. ago) @ Padrino

Canadians can cross the border for an MRI. I'm pretty sure you still need a Doctors referral but I may be wrong about that. Keep in mind our "free" health care system is not really free. $60 for a 30 pack of Budweiser. $1.04 for a Litre for gas, that's $3.93 a US gallon. $20 plus for a pack of smokes. I don't smoke so it might be more for than that. High taxes pay for our free system. I think I still prefer it this way. I can go in for a heart bypass and when i leave the bill is $0.Kind of a pay as you go system.

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by Ironwood @, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 23:05 (1 day, 1 hours, 18 min. ago) @ golden boy

Canadians can cross the border for an MRI. I'm pretty sure you still need a Doctors referral but I may be wrong about that. Keep in mind our "free" health care system is not really free. $60 for a 30 pack of Budweiser. $1.04 for a Litre for gas, that's $3.93 a US gallon. $20 plus for a pack of smokes. I don't smoke so it might be more for than that. High taxes pay for our free system. I think I still prefer it this way. I can go in for a heart bypass and when i leave the bill is $0.Kind of a pay as you go system.

There's no free lunch, golden boy. That said, our Canadian healthcare costs are substantially lower than in the US, with equal or superior over-all national results.

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by jay @, Monday, January 18, 2021, 00:14 (1 day, 0 hours, 9 min. ago) @ Ironwood

You either pay through the front door with premiums, deductibles, and copays. Or you pay through the backdoor with higher taxes. The back door system - a single-payer system - is cheaper and more efficient overall and insures everybody. It's going to happen eventually. Just a matter of time.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Monday, January 18, 2021, 11:45 (12 hours, 38 minutes ago) @ jay

You either pay through the front door with premiums, deductibles, and copays. Or you pay through the backdoor with higher taxes. The back door system - a single-payer system - is cheaper and more efficient overall and insures everybody. It's going to happen eventually. Just a matter of time.

Jay, I sure wish I could share your optimism. However, the U.S. culture is one of stubborn individualism intermittently sprinkled with occasional interest in the common good. I agree with you that the single-payer system is the cheapest, most effective system to deliver baseline health care needs to the majority of a population. Wasn't there a huge imbroglio over the reported approximate $31 trillion cost of Senator Sanders' "Medicare for All" plan until it was revealed that the current system would cost $33 trillion over the same time period and then the numbers were changed to $40 trillion versus $50 trillion? Of course, these estimates are simply blowing smoke as nobody really knows what the costs will be over an extended time frame.

As mentioned, personally, I believe it is unrealistic to think that we in the United States will ever agree in the near- to intermediate-term future on some type of single-payer system. In my humble opinion, the best we can hope for is that we will incrementally bring as many people as possible into some form of insurance. It ain't perfect, but then nothing we humans have ever done has been, yes? The bottom line is that we must do something. The current system is unsustainable.

Mis 2 pesos. (Son mas que $0.02!)

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by Quadra Paul @, Monday, January 18, 2021, 15:27 (8 hours, 56 minutes ago) @ Padrino

I think one of the biggest problems is that the minute you mention the word "socialism" to most Americans, they immediately equate it with "COMMUNISM"!! Most Americans don't know the difference.

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by Justin, Monday, January 18, 2021, 15:56 (8 hours, 27 minutes ago) @ Quadra Paul

I think one of the biggest problems is that the minute you mention the word "socialism" to most Americans, they immediately equate it with "COMMUNISM"!! Most Americans don't know the difference.

Your constant disdain for the USA makes it almost impossible to take you serious on almost any post you make.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Monday, January 18, 2021, 16:15 (8 hours, 8 minutes ago) @ Justin

As much as I love this country, it has more than its fair share of cluelessness.

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by Justin, Monday, January 18, 2021, 16:25 (7 hours, 58 minutes ago) @ frostbite

As much as I love this country, it has more than its fair share of cluelessness.

Can't deny that , of course, that can be said for anywhere I imagine.

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by catlover, Monday, January 18, 2021, 18:18 (6 hours, 5 minutes ago) @ Justin

:megusta:

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Monday, January 18, 2021, 18:41 (5 hours, 41 minutes ago) @ Justin

I think one of the biggest problems is that the minute you mention the word "socialism" to most Americans, they immediately equate it with "COMMUNISM"!! Most Americans don't know the difference.


Your constant disdain for the USA makes it almost impossible to take you serious on almost any post you make.

Dear Justin, just because someone points out a problem with a country -- in this case, the United States -- does not automatically signify that they have disdain for that country. As you mentioned in a subsequent post, there is cluelessness everywhere. I adore both the United States and Mexico but that is not going to stop me from pointing out weaknesses that need to be addressed.

Quadra Paul hit the nail on the head when he said that anyone who brings up the idea of a single-payer system is quickly labeled an evil "SOCIALIST!" or "COMMUNIST!" This is nothing new. Again, it goes back to the events of World War II. During the war, employers took on more and more on the responsibilities of providing health care for their workers. In Europe, it was the government that was providing the health care. After the war, it made sense for the European powers to enact national, socialized medicine systems. When there was a movement in the U.S. to do the same, many political opportunists (one of them was Ronald Reagan) made the ludicrous assertion that a socialized medical system was the camel's nose in the tent with regard to communism. Behind closed doors, business and labor unions negotiated a continuation of the employer-sponsored insurance systems and the politicians gave the businesses the ability to deduct insurance payments and not have employees pay taxes on the benefit. Hence, our current system was born. By the the 1980's and 1990's, the businesses started to balk as the growth in health care spending was outracing the growth in Gross Domestic Product.

Neither socialism nor capitalism are inherently evil or good. They are economic systems. Given the track record of both, the vast majority of reasonable individuals in a society would choose capitalism with all its faults over socialism. I certainly would; I'm a stockbroker, for Heaven's sake! However, there are instances where capitalism is not the best choice for certain segments of a society's economy. Do we have multiple police and fire departments, water and sewer utilities, etc. competing for our dollars?

Bashing socialism and equating it with the Democratic Party is rampant in today's political milieu. When someone is badmouthing socialism, I will innocently ask them, "Do you know what is the most socialist entity in the United States?" They will often respond with "San Francisco" or "California." No, I counter, it is the Department of Defense! Your medical care is taken care of. You get a housing allowance. (Not sure if they still do this, but they used to pay you more for having children.) Don't think this is lost on the DoD as they are grappling with the same "costs growing faster than Gross Domestic Product" problem that the society as a whole is grappling with. They have been experimenting with various forms of hybrid single-payer systems. Any military folks want to chime in with your experiences with the Tricare system? (That is what it is called, right?)

This is a debate that will last for decades. (Just wait until we stumble upon the greatest land mine of this discussion -- the costs of keeping someone alive for an extra four or five months. Psst. One-third of all Medicare dollars are used in the last year of life. "Death panels!";)

Oh, how I love this forum! Eternal thanks, Rob!

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by Quadra Paul @, Monday, January 18, 2021, 19:31 (4 hours, 52 minutes ago) @ Padrino

Great reply, Frank! I have a great deal of admiration and respect for the USA. Mostly for the people, but they do have issues with "socialism"! As far as being disdainful, I think Mr Justin has his head firmly planted where the sun don't shine!

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by Quadra Paul @, Monday, January 18, 2021, 19:22 (5 hours, 1 minutes ago) @ Justin

I think one of the biggest problems is that the minute you mention the word "socialism" to most Americans, they immediately equate it with "COMMUNISM"!! Most Americans don't know the difference.


Your constant disdain for the USA makes it almost impossible to take you serious on almost any post you make.

Excuse me? Disdain? How so? I am telling it like it is. I think you can place the blame on Joe McCarthy for that one!

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Monday, January 18, 2021, 01:37 (22 hours, 45 minutes ago) @ Ironwood

:megusta:

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by Ironwood @, Monday, January 18, 2021, 01:38 (22 hours, 45 minutes ago) @ golden boy

Canadians can cross the border for an MRI. I'm pretty sure you still need a Doctors referral but I may be wrong about that. Keep in mind our "free" health care system is not really free. $60 for a 30 pack of Budweiser. $1.04 for a Litre for gas, that's $3.93 a US gallon. $20 plus for a pack of smokes. I don't smoke so it might be more for than that. High taxes pay for our free system. I think I still prefer it this way. I can go in for a heart bypass and when i leave the bill is $0.Kind of a pay as you go system.

In defense of high prices for cigarettes in Canada - i.e. high taxes - good on Canada. The aim was to make it so expensive that folks would quit. That, more than threats about stunting my growth, or lung cancer, convinced me to quit my pack-a-day habit 35 years ago. Good for me, good for the healthcare system. And by the way, our system is the opposite of "pay as you go". It's "pay from cradle to grave" for everyone....as it should be.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Monday, January 18, 2021, 01:40 (22 hours, 43 minutes ago) @ Ironwood

:megusta:

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by mexicoman @, Puerto Vallarta, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 10:39 (1 day, 13 hours, 44 min. ago) @ Padrino

What about the ER. You can’t get turned away there. That doesn’t happen in many countries. And what about Obama Care? I thought that solved the problem. Socialized Medicine is a controversial topic in the US. Two different sides to a complex issue. Free choice versus govt controlled healthcare.


The Affordable Care Act has not and was never meant to "solve the problem" of the broken health care system in the United States. It has certainly helped. However, beforehand the architects of the legislation knew that it would only cover some 20 million of the 45 million uninsured. The fact that the Democrats allowed it to be called ObamaCare was yet another example of the ancient but oh-so-true Will Rogers joke: "I don't belong to any organized party. I'm a Democrat."

The Democrats should have labeled it RomneyCare because it was taken almost verbatim from the efforts of then Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney years before. He got the idea from the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank. You can't make this stuff up! Fact is always stranger than fiction. Calling it RomneyCare would have blunted the Republicans' use of ObamaCare as a pejorative label and hopefully had them buy into making it a better piece of legislation.

Given the opportunity, no one in their right mind would have created a health care system such as we have in the United States. It was a series of unintended consequences, beginning with employer-sponsored health insurance during World War II as a perk because companies could not raise salaries because of war time restrictions. Obviously, no system is perfect. Ours has been a great boon for many, a disaster for many others. The problem that those who advocate "freedom of choice" (a euphemism for, "Sorry, Jack. Don't have insurance? Can't pay for your medical bills? Tough darts! You're on your own.";) do not understand the societal consequences of having a sizable portion of your population without basic health care. You can barricade yourself in a gated community, but that tuberculosis bacillus or Covid-19 virus doesn't care one squat who or where you are. A few years ago here in San Diego, we had a serious hepatitis outbreak. Why? Can you guess?

The epithet "Socialized Medicine" tries to make it sound as if caring for the health care needs of members of a society is some communist-inspired plot designed to overthrow democracy. Surely the health care systems of other industrialized countries that have the demonized socialized medicine systems are not perfect but consider this: We in the United States spend more than twice the average per capita health care costs than the average for the top 28 industrialized countries and yet our societal health is roughly the same. Something is obviously wrong. Our health care system is bankrupting us and we are no better off than others who are spending far less.

Of course, if anyone tells you they know how to fix the problem, that person is obviously either much smarter than the rest of us or is deluding themselves. We know the system is broken but we can not agree on how to fix it. Add to that the fact that there are very powerful entities that are profiting handsomely from the status quo and we will most likely continue bumbling along with very sad consequences for those unfortunate to be on the have-not side of the system.

I sure wish I knew what to do but I don't. It is most likely that there will never be a "Medicare for All" (trumpeted by the supporters) / "Socialized Medicine" (demonized by distractors) system in the United States because it is unlikely that those who have good insurance through their employers will vote for it. Most likely some kind of incremental Affordable Care Act / ObamaCare / RomneyCare series of legislative efforts will slowly bring everyone into some kind of insurance system, however piecemeal and bureaucratically inept it is put into place.

Not too optimistic, eh? Sorry. Please note that very soon if it has not happened already, 20% of the economy of the United States will be health care. That means one of our every five people will be somehow employed by the health care system. Instead of whispering, "Plastics," in the young-uns' ears, whisper, "Biotechnology."

Respectfully submitted,

That guy in San Diego hoping to start and continue dialogues with both sides of the political spectrum and maybe we can even get some constructive things done

https://youtu.be/9C1BCAgu2I8

Cool Story Bro

by Justin, Friday, January 15, 2021, 17:27 (3 days ago) @ mindpilot

Cali-bashing seems to be a regular pastime around here.

On another note, back in the 80s San Diego hosted a theater company from the USSR. I actually went on a date with a Soviet security agent whose job it was to keep the performers safe, and from defecting.

It was the most interesting date I had ever been on, particularly regarding our discussions about different cultural definitions of freedom. She couldn't understand how we in the US could consider ourselves free when we for example didn't have guaranteed health care.


So after you dated this Soviet oppressor did you ever keep in contact to see if she escaped ?

Becuase just a few years after your date the Soviet Union collapsed. Since then more than 20 Million Soviets have immigrated out. Guess where the number one choice is ?

But other than that......Cool story Bro:o)

Cool Story Bro

by mindpilot, la Playa Buenavista, Friday, January 15, 2021, 18:18 (3 days ago) @ Justin

You credit me with way more creativity than I actually have.

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by Seamag51, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 20:17 (4 days ago) @ Bonnie

I have the same thought. Lockdowns have been the answer in most of
Asia, as well as many states. Of course, the key is people following the rules. Why someone has the idea that they don’t work is baffling to me.

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by Chas, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 21:00 (4 days ago) @ Seamag51

California doing well?

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by The Fez ⌂ @, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 21:27 (4 days ago) @ Bonnie

once a liar, forever a liar OR this guy just won't get off the faux news train? You decide...

I made my decision about him a few months ago when he arrogantly predicted a landslide victory for the Trump.

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by Quadra Paul @, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 22:14 (4 days ago) @ The Fez

once a liar, forever a liar OR this guy just won't get off the faux news train? You decide...


I made my decision about him a few months ago when he arrogantly predicted a landslide victory for the Trump.

And then told us we were a bunch of Morons for not believing him and getting on board!

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by nicatnit, Friday, January 15, 2021, 06:47 (4 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

I didn’t call anyone a moron. That’s just you projecting animus against someone who has a different position from you. I’ll admit Trump lost. Am I surprised? Yes. We’re the rules bent? Perhaps. But I’m ready to move on from the US Presidential electon. I want to give Biden a fair chance, unlike what happened in 2016. But the comments above have nothing to do with my post about Covid Lockdowns being effective. I’m glad Zihuatanejo doesn’t have a Government mandated lockdown like Michigan. I’m sure most on this board would agree.

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by mindpilot, la Playa Buenavista, Friday, January 15, 2021, 09:30 (4 days ago) @ nicatnit

But I’m ready to move on from the US Presidential electon. I want to give Biden a fair chance, unlike what happened in 2016.

You can miss me with this Fox news talking point.

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by nicatnit, Friday, January 15, 2021, 11:14 (4 days ago) @ mindpilot

What does Fox have to do with it. You do realize that Fox is controlled by the younger Murdoch who is no friend of Conservatives. Fox is losing viewership in droves as it becomes more like CNN or MSNBC.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, January 15, 2021, 11:42 (3 days ago) @ nicatnit

What does Fox have to do with it. You do realize that Fox is controlled by the younger Murdoch who is no friend of Conservatives. Fox is losing viewership in droves as it becomes more like CNN or MSNBC.

As it becomes more FACTUAL, you should say. Personally, I've never been able to stand a full minute of their outright bullsh¡t. They should be cited, sued and closed down for being accomplices to inciting a violent insurrection.

You should stay away from political discussions

by nicatnit, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 11:38 (2 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I agree. It’s hard to watch. I don’t understand why there isn’t straight news in the US. It’s almost all opinion slanted reporting and course the opinion hosts that are gag inducing on both the right and the left. Two sides that hate the other so bad that objectivity is completely lost. I long for the days of Walter Cronkite, David Brinkley and Tim Russett

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by mindpilot, la Playa Buenavista, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 08:24 (1 day, 15 hours, 59 min. ago) @ nicatnit

The major networks used to run their news divisions as completely independent operations. The reporters answered only to other reporters and about the only thing that differentiated the stations was whether you preferred Chet or Walter.

Then sometime in the early seventies, news programming moved to being under the same programming direction as everything else. That meant that commercials ran during the news and editors were now beholden to advertisers. They were now dependent on those advertising dollars which meant they had to be careful what they reported on.

Fast forward to the mid-nineties, and it was pretty obvious there was a huge market in cable-TV piggybacking on the success of right-wing radio. In late 1996 Fox News went live, positioning itself as an alternative to the so-called "liberal media" which Spiro Agnew had so successfully demonized a couple decades earlier.

Now of course there are so many different news sources that OTA and cable outlets are almost moot.

But the overarching fact is that no news source is completely unbiased because the fundamental purpose of any outlet is not to provide you with accurate information, it is to deliver your eyeballs to advertisers.

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by jay @, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 18:26 (1 day, 5 hours, 57 min. ago) @ mindpilot

Then sometime in the early seventies, news programming moved to being under the same programming direction as everything else.

In the seventies Sixty Minutes proved that money could be made from news. Thereafter corporate masters required their news divisions to make a profit. Staff, especially in foreign bureaus, were slashed to the bone or eliminated entirely. More human interest stories, more simplistic and shorter stories allowing for more commercial time became the norm. News lacked any depth or context. News became cotton candy. Profit was all.

Jack Welch, former CEO of General Electric and staunchly conservative, once said that since NBC was owned by GE, then NBC should slant its news coverage in the best interests of GE. And since Welch was a strong supporter of Bush and believed that a Bush administration would be beneficial to GE, then NBC coverage of the 2000 election should be slanted in Bush's direction.

More from Jack Welch's autobiography:
- He boasted that he recruited liberals Chris Matthews and Tim Russert to CNBC and turned them conservative with loads of GE money.
- In the runup to the 2000 election and in front of news director Tom Brokaw, he loudly berated a female reporter on the newsroom floor for a story that was somewhat favorable to Al Gore. Brokaw stood by, not making any effort to defend her. When asked why, he shrugged and said, "Jack Welch signs my paychecks".

So much for liberal bias in the mainstream media.

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by Ironwood @, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 19:02 (1 day, 5 hours, 21 min. ago) @ jay

Then sometime in the early seventies, news programming moved to being under the same programming direction as everything else.


In the seventies Sixty Minutes proved that money could be made from news. Thereafter corporate masters required their news divisions to make a profit. Staff, especially in foreign bureaus, were slashed to the bone or eliminated entirely. More human interest stories, more simplistic and shorter stories allowing for more commercial time became the norm. News lacked any depth or context. News became cotton candy. Profit was all.

Jack Welch, former CEO of General Electric and staunchly conservative, once said that since NBC was owned by GE, then NBC should slant its news coverage in the best interests of GE. And since Welch was a strong supporter of Bush and believed that a Bush administration would be beneficial to GE, then NBC coverage of the 2000 election should be slanted in Bush's direction.

More from Jack Welch's autobiography:
- He boasted that he recruited liberals Chris Matthews and Tim Russert to CNBC and turned them conservative with loads of GE money.
- In the runup to the 2000 election and in front of news director Tom Brokaw, he loudly berated a female reporter on the newsroom floor for a story that was somewhat favorable to Al Gore. Brokaw stood by, not making any effort to defend her. When asked why, he shrugged and said, "Jack Welch signs my paychecks".

So much for liberal bias in the mainstream media.

Read Ronan Farrow's "Catch and Kill" for a damning exposé of NBC's efforts to bury the truth re Harvey Weinstein's serial sleaze.

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by golden boy @, Winnipeg, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 22:48 (1 day, 1 hours, 35 min. ago) @ mindpilot

:megusta:

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by mindpilot, la Playa Buenavista, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 08:58 (1 day, 15 hours, 25 min. ago) @ nicatnit
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Ok, I'll just call it a "right-wing" talking point.

My point is that if you have supported Trump for the past four years, you have supported racism, authoritarianism, gratuitous cruelty and corruption that would make any Mexican politician blush.

Now you say you are willing to "give Biden a chance". You are like a bully trying to apologize.

I have cut Trump supporters out of my life like a cancer. I'm not the least bit interested in your "unity" bullshit. I don't do unity with the kind of people who would follow Trump. You have done your damage...now go away.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 09:44 (1 day, 14 hours, 39 min. ago) @ mindpilot


I have cut Trump supporters out of my life like a cancer. I'm not the least bit interested in your "unity" bullshit. I don't do unity with the kind of people who would follow Trump. You have done your damage...now go away.

Living in Montana, where all elected positions, from dog catcher to governor, are now red, if I were to cut Trump supporters out of my life like a cancer, the only conversations I could have are with my wife and myself.

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by Dalejb, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 10:13 (1 day, 14 hours, 10 min. ago) @ frostbite

As a lifelong Montanan I don’t know the political leanings of most of my good friends and they don’t know mine. The few that have divulged their leanings have only done so in passing and don’t try to explain why or ask me what I think. We have many other “controversial “ subjects that we steer clear of. Gay marriage, gun rights, let it burn forest, reintroduction of wolves , religion etc.

If we did we would be preaching to the choir or trying to change someone. Both are annoying.

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by Quadra Paul @, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 12:15 (1 day, 12 hours, 8 min. ago) @ mindpilot

Exactly! He is complicit. :megusta:

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by nicatnit, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 12:56 (1 day, 11 hours, 27 min. ago) @ mindpilot

Politics is really messing up your head. Don’t be so hateful, it’s bad for your health.

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by midalake @, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 13:09 (1 day, 11 hours, 14 min. ago) @ nicatnit

Politics is really messing up your head. Don’t be so hateful, it’s bad for your health.

Experience??? Health issues?

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by Ray @, Zihuatanejo, Mexico and Chicago, IL USA, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 13:13 (1 day, 11 hours, 10 min. ago) @ mindpilot

Agree. I too have washed my hands of Trump supporters/apologists completely. Why waste my breath trying to discuss, explain or rationalize facts with people who are duplicitous, morally stunted, and show no signs of intelligent life?

Is the Earth still round?

by Ironwood @, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 13:22 (1 day, 11 hours, 0 min. ago) @ Ray

Agree. I too have washed my hands of Trump supporters/apologists completely. Why waste my breath trying to discuss, explain or rationalize facts with people who are duplicitous, morally stunted, and show no signs of intelligent life?

Since this thread shows no signs of ending any time soon, I thought I'd post the following:

The Globe and Mail columnist, Andrew Coyne, on “the marketplace of ideas” and social media, 16 January, 2021:
“…….A good part of the American population give every sign of having lost their minds, incapable of distinguishing reality from even the most hallucinatory fantasies – of which the preposterous lie that election officials across the United States conspired to flip millions of votes from one candidate to another is not even the most extreme example. That sort of mass delusion, I had thought, might be possible under repressive dictatorships, or in premodern societies, where information is tightly controlled and alternatives to the official line are few. It could not happen, surely, in an advanced democracy, with all of the latest communications technology at its disposal.
But of course it could. Indeed, with the benefit of hindsight, it was inevitable that it would. To be sure, the rise of Donald Trump – with his unique talent for lying, without limit, without evidence and without shame – posed a particular challenge to the public's capacity to separate fact from fiction…….What is missing are the gatekeepers. The founders of Facebook, Twitter and other social media platforms have until now pretended that they bore no responsibility for what appeared on their sites. That position is no longer tenable, and they know it. Civil discourse cannot long be sustained if we are forever relitigating basic facts – whether the Earth is round, or whether the world is ruled by a cabal of pedophilic Satanists, or whether Mr. Trump lost the election………”

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Monday, January 18, 2021, 22:10 (2 hours, 13 minutes ago) @ Ray

Agree. I too have washed my hands of Trump supporters/apologists completely. Why waste my breath trying to discuss, explain or rationalize facts with people who are duplicitous, morally stunted, and show no signs of intelligent life?

As hopeless as it may seem, there are very good reasons to "waste our breath." Our modern democracies simply can't continue to function if we don't find a way as a society to separate fact from fiction. The next Trump will be far more cunning and far more effective -- think Putin -- in institutionalizing authoritarianism.

Ah, it won't be easy. Each of us must make a contribution, however small. That is why I love this forum! We get to discuss our mutual love of Zihua and at the same time, engage each other and share our perspectives of the greater world, looking to ferret out the truth.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Monday, January 18, 2021, 01:43 (22 hours, 40 minutes ago) @ mindpilot

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Monday, January 18, 2021, 01:55 (22 hours, 27 minutes ago) @ mindpilot

Considering that those that voted republican in this past election are about 1 in 5 american and that out of these, several likely voted republican but not for Trump but still could not change party, it is safe to say that many do not share the ideas brought up by Trump. Sadly, in the US and many other countries with a similar voting system, many do not care to vote anymore for different reasons. Many feel that nothing will change and do not trust one party or the other. But one thing for sure is the last few years have been detrimental to the US for their public image to the rest of the world and a lot of rebuilding will be needed. And within their country, Biden has a mess to deal with and it remain to be seen if the republicans will be willing to step up to the plate and cooperate. There has been so much brainwashing done, has seen lately on January 6th and for the last few years that this is not going to go away overnight. The republican party has done a lot of damage to their party by not keeping in check Trump and endorsing Biden victory when it was made clear he had won fairly. Instead for weeks they endorsed the lunacies of Trump and only 10 republicans voted to impeach him. I feel it will do a lot of damage to the party in the long run as these fringe supporters, Trump's base, are not the ones I would build my party around.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Friday, January 15, 2021, 18:49 (3 days ago) @ nicatnit

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by jay @, Friday, January 15, 2021, 20:09 (3 days ago) @ nicatnit

I’m glad Zihuatanejo doesn’t have a Government mandated lockdown like Michigan. I’m sure most on this board would agree.

Not me. When hospitals are at the breaking point because too many of your citizens are irresponsible knuckleheads, then a lockdown is about the only option you have left.

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by nicatnit, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 11:44 (2 days ago) @ jay

That’s not what’s happening is California where it’s about as bad is it could possibly be. To be sure there are knuckle heads mostly younger people that value their social lives above all else and can’t be bothered with the Covid. But in California many families are very large due to sky high real estate. And they all have to work, so transmission considering the population density leads to what we have now.And its horrible for them. But not all people are knuckleheads here.

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by ZihuaRx @, Friday, January 15, 2021, 09:11 (4 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

Could you show the post where he called a bunch of people on the board Morons? I read the board nearly everyday. I remember a bunch of name calling, but I don't remember from Nic.

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by nicatnit, Friday, January 15, 2021, 11:16 (4 days ago) @ ZihuaRx

Thank you. I may have a minority view compared to most on this board regarding political issues, but I do try to keep it respectful. But to be honest, the current political environment is so toxic, I’d rather move on to subjects more uplifting like having. A great time in Zihua

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Friday, January 15, 2021, 18:48 (3 days ago) @ Bonnie

:megusta:

Why cancel? What BS

by The Fez ⌂ @, Friday, January 15, 2021, 15:55 (3 days ago) @ nicatnit

I live at the Indiana/Michigan border so we get to experience what’s happening in both states. Indians is doing the same as Michigan with rapidly falling Covid cases ———— minus the stupid lockdowns which don’t work.

You seem to have an alternate set of facts. The CDC numbers for both states tell two different stories. Whether or not lockdowns are the reason for the differences will be known after the dust from the pandemic has settled and researchers examine the data. Indiana is certainly not 'doing the same as Michigan' and if you looked at the current data, they are more than twice as bad over the last week.

Indiana total cases per 100,000 = 8708
Indiana last 7 days cases per 100,000 = 68
Michigan total cases per 100,000 = 5761
Michigan last 7 days cases per 100,000 = 30

I have no idea how these numbers could possible make you believe that the two states are on the same level of infections.

Why cancel? What BS

by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Friday, January 15, 2021, 18:51 (3 days ago) @ The Fez

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Why cancel? What BS

by Quadra Paul @, Friday, January 15, 2021, 19:40 (3 days ago) @ The Fez

That's because he has his own perception of reality! And it's not real!

Why cancel? What BS

by nicatnit, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 11:56 (2 days ago) @ The Fez

They’re both trending down. So that’s a good thing. I just don’t believe the lockdowns work. Look at California

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Lockdowns work

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 12:16 (2 days ago) @ nicatnit

They’re both trending down. So that’s a good thing. I just don’t believe the lockdowns work. Look at California

They are a tool that works. That's how New Zealand got to be Covid-19 free (aren't you watching the Prada Cup and seeing all the maskless crowds?). Selective lockdowns are how Mexico City is dealing with the contagion so as not to saturate hospitals. That's how we kept our numbers low all over Mexico until we at least had hospitals that could deal with the problem, because we began with a terrible mess of underfunded, understaffed, underequipped hospitals. We locked down. Since July we've opened up cautiously. But apart from folks addicted to the alcohol culture and some careless visitors, I think we've done very well.

Lockdowns work

by The Fez ⌂ @, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 12:42 (2 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

You are correct, Rob. Mexico's reliance on the advice of medical experts has helped deal with the infection rate. Nicatnit's earlier examples of anti-lockdown jurisdictions, especially his citation of Sweden, shows how holding off on lockdowns is catastrophic. It was and is a failed experiment and now they are suffering badly. This epidemic is dynamic and not fully understood. If the gobierno tells me to wear a mask in public, that's what I'll do. As you've said many times in the past, use the precautions to stay safe.

Why cancel? What BS

by jay @, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 20:23 (2 days ago) @ nicatnit

I just don’t believe the lockdowns work. Look at California

Except that they're not really lockdowns are they, just some half-ass measures and unenforced protocol suggestions, bowing to pressure from right-wing loonies. Like sticking your finger in a dike over here, and feeling virtuous, while there are massive breeches elsewhere, lockdowns will only work if everyone buys in. That didn't happen largely because of politicization and a lack of real leadership from the top - i.e. Trump and many red-state governors. And the result has been disastrous. Newsome hasn't really distinguished himself either, though I'm not sure what more he could have done.

Why cancel? What BS

by nicatnit, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 06:26 (1 day, 17 hours, 57 min. ago) @ jay

Maybe Newsome could have set a better example instead of dining at The French Laundry with healthcare official without masks while the rest of the masses were locked down.

California bashing

by mindpilot, la Playa Buenavista, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 08:48 (1 day, 15 hours, 35 min. ago) @ nicatnit

California isn't the leftist paradise you think it is. The problem right now is because a whole lot of California is populated by right-wing loons who don't know enough basic science to understand how diseases spread.

Yeah, Newsome screwed up; he should have known that incident would just be fodder for Fox News. But the reality is that your president turned his back on the country in the middle of an extraordinarily serious national crisis and told the states they were on their own.

California bashing

by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Monday, January 18, 2021, 01:57 (22 hours, 26 minutes ago) @ mindpilot

:megusta:

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Why cancel? What BS

by Harriet ⌂ @, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 08:50 (3 days ago) @ midalake

Why cancel?

by D-Loco, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 09:36 (6 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

if it doesn't kill you of course.

LOL

covid numbers in ZIHUA

by Barbhutchinson, Friday, January 15, 2021, 12:58 (3 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I cannot seem to find your COVID numbers on the site

I am checking out how easy and reliable the covid sites will be. Cannot get stuck in ZIHUA what a mess

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covid numbers in ZIHUA

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, January 15, 2021, 13:08 (3 days ago) @ Barbhutchinson

I cannot seem to find your COVID numbers on the site

I am checking out how easy and reliable the covid sites will be. Cannot get stuck in ZIHUA what a mess

I post my local Covid-19 reports daily here with the letters "ZIH" in the subject. Here is yesterday's:
Frutas DeliZIHosas - ZihuaRob, 2021-01-14, 20:44

DAILY COVID REPORT sounds too depressing. ;-)

covid testing

by Barbhutchinson, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 22:02 (2 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

any more info on the ease of getting tested and results? We are hoping to still come Feb 9

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by Tucker62 @, Vancouver, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 08:34 (6 days ago) @ Ellisnet

For the benefit of arriving Canadians, the airlines are handing out information on the two covid testing stations in Zihuatanejo. Both facilities use PCR (the most stringent test) and have 48-hour turnaround. One site charges 3,500 pesos, the other 4,500 pesos. I have an image of the pamphlet but don't know how to post it here - Rob is welcome to contact me.

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by kathyMN @, Saint Francis, Minnesota, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 10:06 (6 days ago) @ Tucker62

If you cannot post, could you email me an image of the pamphlet please? I am seeing conflicting information on costs. Thank you!

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by Keytime @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 10:18 (6 days ago) @ kathyMN

A list of places was posted the other day.

PCR/LAMP Lab Tests: Choose wisely!!
by SkyMed Sandra ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, Thursday, January 07, 2021, 12:08 (5 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
edited by SkyMed Sandra, Thursday, January 07, 2021, 12:41

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 10:24 (6 days ago) @ Tucker62

For the benefit of arriving Canadians, the airlines are handing out information on the two covid testing stations in Zihuatanejo. Both facilities use PCR (the most stringent test) and have 48-hour turnaround. One site charges 3,500 pesos, the other 4,500 pesos. I have an image of the pamphlet but don't know how to post it here - Rob is welcome to contact me.

Is it not the same info as I posted above your message? Or are you referring to the PDF document from the airlines? I believe there are now three places that comply with the 3-day timetables that Canadians and UnitedStaters need.

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by Doozer, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 11:38 (5 days ago) @ Tucker62

On my exchange rate calculator that is over $200 US per test?

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Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by kathyMN @, Saint Francis, Minnesota, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 11:43 (5 days ago) @ Doozer

Your estimate looks right, however, based on the range I have seen in various posts so far today (3500-6000 pesos), it will cost $175-$300 USD per person.

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by Doozer, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 12:18 (5 days ago) @ kathyMN

Thank you. I guess we will need to bring a little extra money for that.

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by Keytime @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 13:41 (5 days ago) @ Doozer

My guess would be that with in 2 weeks (maybe sooner) you will see the Governors of states that have high tourism implement a testing program for tourists (Maybe Anyone) bound for the USA and Canada. They can not afford to have people canceling reservations or not booking. If they were smart they would hire a PR company to get it all over the internet. "COME TO MEXICO and STAY 10 DAYS OR LONGER AND A CANADA/USA APPROVED COVID TEST IS ON US"

That is just a guess on my part. Or that is what I would try and do. $100+ for a test in return for $2000+ in local revenue. B-)

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 13:58 (5 days ago) @ Keytime

My guess would be that with in 2 weeks (maybe sooner) you will see the Governors of states that have high tourism implement a testing program for tourists (Maybe Anyone) bound for the USA and Canada. They can not afford to have people canceling reservations or not booking. If they were smart they would hire a PR company to get it all over the internet. "COME TO MEXICO and STAY 10 DAYS OR LONGER AND A CANADA/USA APPROVED COVID TEST IS ON US"

That is just a guess on my part. Or that is what I would try and do. $100+ for a test in return for $2000+ in local revenue. B-)

Ha! More likely will be politicians and their relatives setting up shell companies to do testing.

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by Keytime @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 15:19 (5 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

100% Agree. Even more reason why we may see this happen.

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by Doozer, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 19:25 (5 days ago) @ Keytime

That would be nice. We are staying 17 days. The price of the covid test does seem high.

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by catlover, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 13:43 (5 days ago) @ kathyMN

We just made pre-arrangements this morning to get our tests done for our February return trip for a whole lot less.

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by BL @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 13:48 (5 days ago) @ catlover

We just made pre-arrangements this morning to get our tests done for our February return trip for a whole lot less.

For the benefit of the board, can you please share the information?

Many thanks!

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by Patty1122, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 15:00 (5 days ago) @ BL

Will we will be returning from Zihuatanejo in March. Could you please tell us how you went about prearranging the test.
Thanks

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by catlover, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 17:19 (5 days ago) @ Patty1122

Turns out we don't need it. Just got this email.

New travel restrictions for your upcoming United flight


We look forward to welcoming you on your upcoming United flight.

Please be aware that starting January 26th, the U.S. government requires proof of a negative Covid-19 test for all international arrivals into the U.S. For more information on the order, please visit: https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/global-airline-testing-order_2021-01-2_R3-signed-encrypted-p.pdf

A travel waiver is in place for travel dates through February 15th: www.united.com/importantnotices. To make changes to your reservation, please visit united.com or the United app.

From all of us at United, be well and stay safe.

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Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by kathyMN @, Saint Francis, Minnesota, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 17:58 (5 days ago) @ catlover

Could you still post the information for those of us that will be impacted? Specifically, Which lab did you pre-arrange tests with and what was the cost? Thank you.

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by nicatnit, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 06:07 (5 days ago) @ catlover

What do you mean you don’t need it? If you are referring to the travel waiver Through Feb 15 I believe that is referring to being able to change flights without additional cost, not anything to do with the Covid testing requirements. Please explain your post.

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by catlover, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 07:28 (5 days ago) @ nicatnit

You may be correct and that will be verified today, however, United has been allowing changes without any fee or penalty since this thing started. So I'm not sure that the "waiver" language means what you imply, but I will update when I get clarification.

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by catlover, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 07:49 (5 days ago) @ catlover

nicatnit, I stand corrected, according to United, the waiver is for those who booked after January 12th and wish to make a change to their flight reservations. Fortunately we still have our test arrangements in place.

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by nicatnit, Friday, January 15, 2021, 06:42 (4 days ago) @ catlover

Could you please post where you are getting tested? I need to make arrangements and the options I see now are all much higher in cost than you mentioned.

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by catlover, Friday, January 15, 2021, 07:27 (4 days ago) @ nicatnit

Sure, the US only requires the Antigen test and you can get it for about 2,300 pesos at Sagrado Corazon laboratorio located at Calle Palmas Lote 2 Mz 12-B Don't know about weekends, but It opens a 8am. Don't wait until the last moment, I would go in person ahead of time to arrange it.

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Health Insurance Coverage

by kathyMN @, Saint Francis, Minnesota, Friday, January 15, 2021, 10:31 (4 days ago) @ catlover

I just received written confirmation from my health insurance company about coverage for Covid tests OUS.

"Your plan covers COVID tests outside of the United States. Your coverage is as follows. Out-of-network COVID-19 test: COVID-19 tests are covered at 100%, deductible does not apply."

I can only assume that other insurance providers, if not all, will cover the cost as well. Hope this helps.

Health Insurance Coverage

by nicatnit, Friday, January 15, 2021, 11:19 (4 days ago) @ kathyMN

Great post! Thank you!

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by nicatnit, Friday, January 15, 2021, 11:18 (4 days ago) @ catlover

Cat lover: Thank you! You saved me mucho dinero. I have a contact that can makes arrangements for us in advance of our visit.

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Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Friday, January 15, 2021, 12:56 (3 days ago) @ catlover

Sure, the US only requires the Antigen test and you can get it for about 2,300 pesos at Sagrado Corazon laboratorio located at Calle Palmas Lote 2 Mz 12-B Don't know about weekends, but It opens a 8am. Don't wait until the last moment, I would go in person ahead of time to arrange it.

Are you certain that "the US only requires the Antigen test"? (emphasis mine)
Pardon my ignorance but I'm still unclear of the terms floating around in regard to the test:
Antigen
Antibody
PCR
Swab
etc...

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by catlover, Friday, January 15, 2021, 13:46 (3 days ago) @ mosesk

Yes, Google it.

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Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Friday, January 15, 2021, 13:57 (3 days ago) @ catlover

Yes, Google it.

Yes, I have googled it
And even read about it and have attempted to educate myself.
The terms are not used in a consistent manner.

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by catlover, Friday, January 15, 2021, 17:49 (3 days ago) @ mosesk

The new CDC guidelines requires all air passengers arriving to the US, from a foreign country, to get tested, no more than 3-days, before their flight departs and to provide proof of the negative result or documentation of having recovered from COVID-19 to the airline before boarding the flight. This Order will go into effect on January 26, 2021. Testing must be performed using a viral test ( NAAT or Antigen )
( https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/global-airline-testing-order_2021-01-2_R3-signed-encrypted-p.pdf

For those interested, there is also a Sagrado Corazon location in Ixtapa

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Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Friday, January 15, 2021, 18:18 (3 days ago) @ catlover

The new CDC guidelines requires all air passengers arriving to the US, from a foreign country, to get tested, no more than 3-days, before their flight departs and to provide proof of the negative result or documentation of having recovered from COVID-19 to the airline before boarding the flight. This Order will go into effect on January 26, 2021. Testing must be performed using a viral test ( NAAT or Antigen )
( https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/global-airline-testing-order_2021-01-2_R3-signed-encrypted-p.pdf

For those interested, there is also a Sagrado Corazon location in Ixtapa

Thank you.
That's very helpful.
I had even perused that article but overlooked those validating sections

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by Quadra Paul @, Friday, January 15, 2021, 19:43 (3 days ago) @ nicatnit

Could you please post where you are getting tested? I need to make arrangements and the options I see now are all much higher in cost than you mentioned.

Here we go again! Didn't you tell us a while back that you have already had the virus and recovered?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, January 15, 2021, 20:24 (3 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

Could you please post where you are getting tested? I need to make arrangements and the options I see now are all much higher in cost than you mentioned.


Here we go again! Didn't you tell us a while back that you have already had the virus and recovered?

He still needs to be tested to fly. C'mon man. Give Nick a break.

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by nicatnit, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 12:02 (2 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Can’t we all just get along :)

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by nicatnit, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 12:02 (2 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

Yes I did. I recovered from Covid 4 months ago, so.......I still have to get tested. Don’t be so dramatic.”Here we go again”

Two 48-hour turnaround PCR covid testing facilities in Zihua

by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 15:04 (2 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

:megusta:

Not Canceling my trip

by Jack from Baltimore, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 11:32 (5 days ago) @ Ellisnet

The CDC press release states that in order to board a plane for the US you need a Viral test. The CDC further defines both the PCR/LAMP and the Antigen test as Viral tests. The Antigen test or Rapid test is available in Zihua at Laboratorio Saturno Corazon and Laboratorio Clinica Integral. Results from the Rapid test are usually available in 20-30 minutes.
More information is available on the respective Lab's Facebook pages.

Not Canceling my trip

by BL @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 13:49 (5 days ago) @ Jack from Baltimore

Thank you, Jack. For those of us not on Facebook, could you please post the info over there.

Thanks in advance!

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More Labs

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 14:04 (5 days ago) @ BL

Thank you, Jack. For those of us not on Facebook, could you please post the info over there.

Thanks in advance!

You need to visit their pages.

Laboratorio Sagrado Corazón
https://www.facebook.com/lab.sagradocorazon18/

Laboratorio Clínico Integral
https://www.facebook.com/laboratoriointegrallive.com.mx/

Good For You Jack

by Justin, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 14:03 (5 days ago) @ Jack from Baltimore

The CDC press release states that in order to board a plane for the US you need a Viral test. The CDC further defines both the PCR/LAMP and the Antigen test as Viral tests. The Antigen test or Rapid test is available in Zihua at Laboratorio Saturno Corazon and Laboratorio Clinica Integral. Results from the Rapid test are usually available in 20-30 minutes.
More information is available on the respective Lab's Facebook pages.

It's Time To Come Home

100,000's repatriated.

Every Civilized Nation in the World Restricts Travel

Every Medical Professional Recommends to Not Travel.

There wont be a pandemic in Mexico, we have amulets.

There won't be a pandemic in Mexico, it's tropical.

All that was said , people ignored it and now there are 2 Million DEAD.

Now while 99 % of the world hunkers down to stop the spread, a few feel vacation is more important than spreading disease and killing others. Some won't wear masks, others disobey every recommendation given and travel out of the country

How selfish, and then to complain about being required for a test after you risk other peoples lives.

Imagine others encouraging you to go visit another country for no other reason than they will sacrifice lives for beans and rice, and you somehow justify it with total disregard for human lives, your family, friends, neighbors and society. All so you can personally sit in the sun.

Now imagine , that person is you !

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Good For You Jack

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 14:11 (5 days ago) @ Justin

The CDC press release states that in order to board a plane for the US you need a Viral test. The CDC further defines both the PCR/LAMP and the Antigen test as Viral tests. The Antigen test or Rapid test is available in Zihua at Laboratorio Saturno Corazon and Laboratorio Clinica Integral. Results from the Rapid test are usually available in 20-30 minutes.
More information is available on the respective Lab's Facebook pages.


It's Time To Come Home

100,000's repatriated.

Every Civilized Nation in the World Restricts Travel

Every Medical Professional Recommends to Not Travel.

There wont be a pandemic in Mexico, we have amulets.

There won't be a pandemic in Mexico, it's tropical.

All that was said , people ignored it and now there are 2 Million DEAD.

Now while 99 % of the world hunkers down to stop the spread, a few feel vacation is more important than spreading disease and killing others. Some won't wear masks, others disobey every recommendation given and travel out of the country

How selfish, and then to complain about being required for a test after you risk other peoples lives.

Imagine others encouraging you to go visit another country for no other reason than they will sacrifice lives for beans and rice, and you somehow justify it with total disregard for human lives, your family, friends, neighbors and society. All so you can personally sit in the sun.

Now imagine , that person is you !

What a nasty message!

I'm not aware of any foreigners infecting locals here. If you aren't either then maybe you should be more respectful of others to make their own decisions and take proper precautions, as most of the foreigners who visit us appear to do. The people who visit us not only help themselves to remain sane and healthy but they help us to SURVIVE since we are 100% dependent on tourism. Many of these foreigners even actually CARE about the people here with whom they do business. Some even have family and property here.

This isn't like the maskless Covidiots causing a raging viral pandemia across the USA. Even with foreigners here we seem to be doing extremely well.

Good For You Jack

by Justin, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 14:27 (5 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

The CDC press release states that in order to board a plane for the US you need a Viral test. The CDC further defines both the PCR/LAMP and the Antigen test as Viral tests. The Antigen test or Rapid test is available in Zihua at Laboratorio Saturno Corazon and Laboratorio Clinica Integral. Results from the Rapid test are usually available in 20-30 minutes.
More information is available on the respective Lab's Facebook pages.


It's Time To Come Home

100,000's repatriated.

Every Civilized Nation in the World Restricts Travel

Every Medical Professional Recommends to Not Travel.

There wont be a pandemic in Mexico, we have amulets.

There won't be a pandemic in Mexico, it's tropical.

All that was said , people ignored it and now there are 2 Million DEAD.

Now while 99 % of the world hunkers down to stop the spread, a few feel vacation is more important than spreading disease and killing others. Some won't wear masks, others disobey every recommendation given and travel out of the country

How selfish, and then to complain about being required for a test after you risk other peoples lives.

Imagine others encouraging you to go visit another country for no other reason than they will sacrifice lives for beans and rice, and you somehow justify it with total disregard for human lives, your family, friends, neighbors and society. All so you can personally sit in the sun.

Now imagine , that person is you !


What a nasty message!

I'm not aware of any foreigners infecting locals here. If you aren't either then maybe you should be more respectful of others to make their own decisions and take proper precautions, as most of the foreigners who visit us appear to do. The people who visit us not only help themselves to remain sane and healthy but they help us to SURVIVE since we are 100% dependent on tourism. Many of these foreigners even actually CARE about the people here with whom they do business. Some even have family and property here.

This isn't like the maskless Covidiots causing a raging viral pandemia across the USA. Even with foreigners here we seem to be doing extremely well.

What's nasty about it ?

Seem's pretty factual to me. As for proving whom is giving whom what in Mexico would be imposible. By YOUR own admission, Mexico really doesn't care about testing or contact tracing, every media and medical source in the world agrees Mexico has under reported its Pandemic by 300 - 500 %.

What's nasty is you slagging just about anyone who dares speak up while at the same time complaining about the corruption in your home town. Heaven forbid anyone discuss anything in your home town without leaving its a glistening glow.

I have been nothing but truthful, without insulting or useing derogitory snipits to rustle anyone up.

If I offended you, I apologize. That said, those traveling are a part of the problem, not the solution.

Good For You Jack

by victorio, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 17:09 (5 days ago) @ Justin

The CDC press release states that in order to board a plane for the US you need a Viral test. The CDC further defines both the PCR/LAMP and the Antigen test as Viral tests. The Antigen test or Rapid test is available in Zihua at Laboratorio Saturno Corazon and Laboratorio Clinica Integral. Results from the Rapid test are usually available in 20-30 minutes.
More information is available on the respective Lab's Facebook pages.


It's Time To Come Home

100,000's repatriated.

Every Civilized Nation in the World Restricts Travel

Every Medical Professional Recommends to Not Travel.

There wont be a pandemic in Mexico, we have amulets.

There won't be a pandemic in Mexico, it's tropical.

All that was said , people ignored it and now there are 2 Million DEAD.

Now while 99 % of the world hunkers down to stop the spread, a few feel vacation is more important than spreading disease and killing others. Some won't wear masks, others disobey every recommendation given and travel out of the country

How selfish, and then to complain about being required for a test after you risk other peoples lives.

Imagine others encouraging you to go visit another country for no other reason than they will sacrifice lives for beans and rice, and you somehow justify it with total disregard for human lives, your family, friends, neighbors and society. All so you can personally sit in the sun.

Now imagine , that person is you !


What a nasty message!

I'm not aware of any foreigners infecting locals here. If you aren't either then maybe you should be more respectful of others to make their own decisions and take proper precautions, as most of the foreigners who visit us appear to do. The people who visit us not only help themselves to remain sane and healthy but they help us to SURVIVE since we are 100% dependent on tourism. Many of these foreigners even actually CARE about the people here with whom they do business. Some even have family and property here.

This isn't like the maskless Covidiots causing a raging viral pandemia across the USA. Even with foreigners here we seem to be doing extremely well.


What's nasty about it ?

Seem's pretty factual to me. As for proving whom is giving whom what in Mexico would be imposible. By YOUR own admission, Mexico really doesn't care about testing or contact tracing, every media and medical source in the world agrees Mexico has under reported its Pandemic by 300 - 500 %.

What's nasty is you slagging just about anyone who dares speak up while at the same time complaining about the corruption in your home town. Heaven forbid anyone discuss anything in your home town without leaving its a glistening glow.

I have been nothing but truthful, without insulting or useing derogitory snipits to rustle anyone up.

If I offended you, I apologize. That said, those traveling are a part of the problem, not the solution.

Hola
You are under the assumption that everyone is coming here for "vacations". Some of us old geezers on pensions are coming here because we cannot survive on our pension in our own country. There are other places where our pension money goes farther, but we would rather be here .

Good For You Jack

by catlover, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 17:35 (5 days ago) @ victorio

If you're just relying on a pension, then you may have done something wrong. Like a friend of mine once said when another complain about cost of things and said he couldn't afford it because he was on a "fixed Income". Friend number one said, "well then you should have fixed it higher". I'm guessing he meant that friend number one should have known better than to rely on just a pension and save a bit more.

Good For You Jack

by D-Loco, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 18:06 (5 days ago) @ catlover

If you're just relying on a pension, then you may have done something wrong.

He's retired in Mexico. I would say he has done EVERYTHING right.

Good For You Jack

by victorio, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 18:13 (5 days ago) @ catlover

If you're just relying on a pension, then you may have done something wrong. Like a friend of mine once said when another complain about cost of things and said he couldn't afford it because he was on a "fixed Income". Friend number one said, "well then you should have fixed it higher". I'm guessing he meant that friend number one should have known better than to rely on just a pension and save a bit more.

Hola
You don't know my personal circumstances for just having to rely on a pension. It is also none of your f-ing business. Easy for you to judge me after the fact. Ahole.

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Bad On Catlover

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 18:25 (5 days ago) @ victorio

If you're just relying on a pension, then you may have done something wrong. Like a friend of mine once said when another complain about cost of things and said he couldn't afford it because he was on a "fixed Income". Friend number one said, "well then you should have fixed it higher". I'm guessing he meant that friend number one should have known better than to rely on just a pension and save a bit more.


Hola
You don't know my personal circumstances for just having to rely on a pension. It is also none of your f-ing business. Easy for you to judge me after the fact. Ahole.

I second that emotion.


https://youtu.be/QcAt3le3oas

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Good For You Jack

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 19:05 (5 days ago) @ victorio

:megusta:

Good For You Jack

by 1945gypsy ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 11:47 (4 days ago) @ victorio

Me gusta!

Good For You Jack

by Quadra Paul @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 19:06 (5 days ago) @ catlover

If you're just relying on a pension, then you may have done something wrong. Like a friend of mine once said when another complain about cost of things and said he couldn't afford it because he was on a "fixed Income". Friend number one said, "well then you should have fixed it higher". I'm guessing he meant that friend number one should have known better than to rely on just a pension and save a bit more.

What a rude and insensitive thing to say!

Good For You Jack

by Ironwood @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 19:22 (5 days ago) @ catlover

If you're just relying on a pension, then you may have done something wrong. Like a friend of mine once said when another complain about cost of things and said he couldn't afford it because he was on a "fixed Income". Friend number one said, "well then you should have fixed it higher". I'm guessing he meant that friend number one should have known better than to rely on just a pension and save a bit more.

Well, thanks for that. Clears up any question: you really are an asshole.

Good For You Jack

by allen @, Pacific Northwest, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 20:16 (5 days ago) @ catlover

You truly are an asshole and an arrogant one at that. If you enjoy reading this board may I suggest that you start keeping your mouth shut. Otherwise I predict that you will not be around here long.

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not good Justin

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 18:19 (5 days ago) @ Justin

The CDC press release states that in order to board a plane for the US you need a Viral test. The CDC further defines both the PCR/LAMP and the Antigen test as Viral tests. The Antigen test or Rapid test is available in Zihua at Laboratorio Saturno Corazon and Laboratorio Clinica Integral. Results from the Rapid test are usually available in 20-30 minutes.
More information is available on the respective Lab's Facebook pages.


It's Time To Come Home

100,000's repatriated.

Every Civilized Nation in the World Restricts Travel

Every Medical Professional Recommends to Not Travel.

There wont be a pandemic in Mexico, we have amulets.

There won't be a pandemic in Mexico, it's tropical.

All that was said , people ignored it and now there are 2 Million DEAD.

Now while 99 % of the world hunkers down to stop the spread, a few feel vacation is more important than spreading disease and killing others. Some won't wear masks, others disobey every recommendation given and travel out of the country

How selfish, and then to complain about being required for a test after you risk other peoples lives.

Imagine others encouraging you to go visit another country for no other reason than they will sacrifice lives for beans and rice, and you somehow justify it with total disregard for human lives, your family, friends, neighbors and society. All so you can personally sit in the sun.

Now imagine , that person is you !


What a nasty message!

I'm not aware of any foreigners infecting locals here. If you aren't either then maybe you should be more respectful of others to make their own decisions and take proper precautions, as most of the foreigners who visit us appear to do. The people who visit us not only help themselves to remain sane and healthy but they help us to SURVIVE since we are 100% dependent on tourism. Many of these foreigners even actually CARE about the people here with whom they do business. Some even have family and property here.

This isn't like the maskless Covidiots causing a raging viral pandemia across the USA. Even with foreigners here we seem to be doing extremely well.


What's nasty about it ?

Seem's pretty factual to me. As for proving whom is giving whom what in Mexico would be imposible. By YOUR own admission, Mexico really doesn't care about testing or contact tracing, every media and medical source in the world agrees Mexico has under reported its Pandemic by 300 - 500 %.

I've never said Mexico doesn't care about testing or contact tracing. I did say they didn't waste resources on mass random testing. When a hot spot has appeared random testing centers have been set up, but then that isn't exactly random but rather focused. As to contact tracing, apparently it's something our public health authorities have done with such diligence that it's kept our numbers low.

Even Dr. López-Gatell admits and calculates into his overall assessments that are made and released daily the probability of how many more actual cases there are than are confirmed. It is not 500%. I trust the data he and the Secretaría de Salud report.

What's nasty is you slagging just about anyone who dares speak up while at the same time complaining about the corruption in your home town. Heaven forbid anyone discuss anything in your home town without leaving its a glistening glow.

That's your ego speaking. No accurate reference to me. Try a chill pill.

I have been nothing but truthful, without insulting or useing derogitory snipits to rustle anyone up.

If I offended you, I apologize. That said, those traveling are a part of the problem, not the solution.

You are entitled to your opinion, but the tone of your comment was still rude. I'm not the one to whom you should offer an apology.

not good Justin

by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 18:52 (5 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Sorry Rob but you are doing it again! I know you are trying to protect the economy of the area created by tourism but what Justin said is true and yes, nobody should be traveling to Mexico unless forced to/for work reasons/etc but certainly not for tourism. You may disagree as much as you want but the true health specialists dealing with the pandemic almost worldwide are saying to stay home and not fly. The only ones that seem to have an issue with this is the airlines, go figure! It is easy to attack people making such a statement on your site but as I told you before, I still believe you do a disservice to who you are stating you are wanting to help. Hopefully we have enough vaccines distributed to enough people soon so this is no longer an issue and then I will gladly fly back to Zihua and encourage all to do so. Until then, it is foolish for most to consider a flight.

not good Justin

by Lalo @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 19:18 (5 days ago) @ cd69

Hi CD 69. My very first thumbs up. No one should travel anywhere right now unless absolutely necessary...:megusta: I have been going to Zihua staring in 1972 and I have way too many friends there to risk being responsible for infecting any of them.:stones:

not good Justin

by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 19:25 (5 days ago) @ Lalo

You and I have been going to Zihua for a very long time. I worked in the area in the 80's and 90's. We both have lots of friends in this area. We are both missing them and the area. But we know what must be done to avoid further spread of this pandemic. I appreciate your post.

not good Justin, chill pill

by midalake @, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 21:58 (5 days ago) @ Lalo

Hi CD 69. My very first thumbs up. No one should travel anywhere right now unless absolutely necessary...:megusta: I have been going to Zihua staring in 1972 and I have way too many friends there to risk being responsible for infecting any of them.:stones:

Well everyone should just step back. There is a difference between us who own property here and "vacations" In ALL REALITY, no one should be going on vacation.

ALSO, no one is infecting anybody. Here in Ixtapa/Z I see people taking precautions for their fellow man.

We are all so close to topping the mountain. Hold it together for Christ sake! DO YOUR PART!

not good Justin, chill pill

by catlover, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 07:19 (5 days ago) @ midalake

As he strolls around the BVG pool without wearing a face mask.

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not good Justin, chill pill

by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 07:31 (5 days ago) @ midalake

At least in the USA, we are no where close to "topping the mountain." Dr. Fauci predicts that with luck the third quarter of 2021, will be close to normal. I am hopeful, but not confident, that our new administration will be able to speed things up a bit.

not good Justin, chill pill

by midalake @, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 11:50 (4 days ago) @ Timmac

At least in the USA, we are no where close to "topping the mountain." Dr. Fauci predicts that with luck the third quarter of 2021, will be close to normal. I am hopeful, but not confident, that our new administration will be able to speed things up a bit.

The NEW administration could only go up. With that, it seems Michigan has completed all of it's frontline workers and is now doing the next group. My Mom got her first vaccine on Tuesday! :badass: :jam:

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not good Justin

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 20:35 (5 days ago) @ cd69

Sorry Rob but you are doing it again! I know you are trying to protect the economy of the area created by tourism but what Justin said is true and yes, nobody should be traveling to Mexico unless forced to/for work reasons/etc but certainly not for tourism. You may disagree as much as you want but the true health specialists dealing with the pandemic almost worldwide are saying to stay home and not fly. The only ones that seem to have an issue with this is the airlines, go figure! It is easy to attack people making such a statement on your site but as I told you before, I still believe you do a disservice to who you are stating you are wanting to help. Hopefully we have enough vaccines distributed to enough people soon so this is no longer an issue and then I will gladly fly back to Zihua and encourage all to do so. Until then, it is foolish for most to consider a flight.

You are doing it again, imposing your Canadian values on Zihuatanejo where you no longer make a living. See how that works? Apparently the only reason Justin registered with the Message Board today was to post his controversial post. Friend of yours? I recommend that you and Justin do what works for you and let others do what works for them. If I see them in the street without their facemask on I'll give them a shout.

Please don't insult people and treat them with condescension. Many of the folks who are coming here are indeed taking extreme precautions to protect themselves and others, especially your fellow Canadians. If we have no tourism until some egghead somewhere else gives the all clear, there will be no Zihuatanejo to come back to. As it is, many local businesses haven't been able to make it since closing last March. Your concern is appreciated but way ethnocentric and is better saved for Covidiots, not people acting responsibly who want to travel. The world can't stop for Covid-19 and tourist destinations can't survive without tourists.

not good Justin

by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 21:35 (5 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Sad to see you resorting to insults when someone post something that is diverging from your view on this situation and certainly not what most of the rest of the world think. As soon as someone posts something here that is different than your view, you go on the attack mode. And you wonder why so many of the long time posters on here are no longer active? Your reasoning is not always right Rob! You are not always the one with the right optics and in this one, even some of your neighbours disagree with you and are closing shop for the season as they know this is the right thing to do and they can't take chances with covid. But sure, it must be due to the music from nearby. Funny as if you actually speak to your neighbours instead of guessing and telling it as the truth, they perhaps would tell you as well why they are closing. More and more people you know are speaking the truth, which is it is not safe to travel at the moment. No, it is not a canadian or US thing. But thanks again for your insults. It was expected. And no, I do not know Justin but that does not make him wrong because you think so...Sad to see this is how you feel you need to handle your board as many are not approving your methods to save the little of tourism is thinking of coming. Be safe Rob!

not good Justin

by nicatnit, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 06:24 (5 days ago) @ cd69

Rob wasn’t insulting you. He just tells it like it is. After all this is a travel website. Your post is out of place

Good For You Jack

by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 19:29 (5 days ago) @ Justin

Now imagine , that person is you !

Finger-pointing and shaming aside, I actually believe that I was safer "sheltering in place" in Zihua than "sheltering in place" in San Diego. The only situation that scared me was the Tijuana airport. However, I am pleased to report that everyone was masked. Everyone was also practicing safe distancing except for a few individuals who were easy to stay away from. While it Zihua, I rented a car instead of taking public transit. Looking forward to returning soon.

At least in Mexico, you don't have unmasked Agent Orange-inspired lunatics screaming about constitutional and religious rights 18 inches from your face.

Remember the Golden Rule: Snark begets snark.

Good For You Jack

by islandgirl @, Cowichan Valley, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 19:41 (5 days ago) @ Padrino

I was following your adventure and glad you made it safely.
We should remember that our masks help, but they do not provide 100% protection. Staying away from others is really important. And with the new mutations of this virus that are more infectious, avoiding close contact is essential to stop the spread.
I can't wait for this to be over! Cabin fever is setting in!

Good For You Jack

by mindpilot, la Playa Buenavista, Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 19:59 (5 days ago) @ Padrino

We are coming to San Diego in a couple weeks. I too feel much safer sheltering in place here than in San Diego, especially living in a more rural area.

But our FMMs are expiring so we have no choice. Fortunately a family member can pick us up at CBX so we can go straight to our house and quarantine. Then back here in a few weeks since we are paying a house sitter.

Good For You Jack

by nicatnit, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 06:11 (5 days ago) @ Justin

Please get off your Soap Box. This is a travel forum. For travelers.

Good For You Jack

by Quadra Paul @, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 11:40 (4 days ago) @ nicatnit

So now you're taking over as the moderator, telling us what we can and cannot discuss? Last time I looked, this is Rob's message board!

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Good For You Jack

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 11:59 (4 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

So now you're taking over as the moderator, telling us what we can and cannot discuss? Last time I looked, this is Rob's message board!

Oh, come on. Welcome him back and let's see if we can't find common ground, okay?

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thanks for asking so nicely...

by Bonnie, wherever you go, there you are..., Thursday, January 14, 2021, 13:16 (4 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

but no thanks!

Good For You Jack

by Quadra Paul @, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 14:28 (4 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

No common ground with this guy! I have a long memory. You may have forgotten and discarded some of his comments but I haven't. If it was my board, he would be long gone! Wait until he gets over the shock of being so completely and utterly wrong about something that he was completely all in on! A reasonable and normal person would admit they were wrong. As predicted, he just pretends it never happened!

Good For You Jack

by catlover, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 17:24 (4 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

If you had it your way, everyone that disagreed with you would be gone. I believe they call that censorship. Plus life would be pretty boring. Fortunately Rob displays a little more wiggle room than you. Maybe some day Rob will want to retire and you can buy the site from him and bring down the hammer on everyone that doesn't see life through your eyes.

Good For You Jack

by Quadra Paul @, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 18:28 (4 days ago) @ catlover

If you had it your way, everyone that disagreed with you would be gone. I believe they call that censorship. Plus life would be pretty boring. Fortunately Rob displays a little more wiggle room than you. Maybe some day Rob will want to retire and you can buy the site from him and bring down the hammer on everyone that doesn't see life through your eyes.


How the hell would you know what it would be like if I had my way? You don't even know me or understand what it is I'm referring to. OR if you do, then you have reappeared with a different name, which is what I'm starting to believe! The name is not familiar, but the tone of your comments are!

Good For You Jack

by midalake @, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 19:20 (4 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

If you had it your way, everyone that disagreed with you would be gone. I believe they call that censorship. Plus life would be pretty boring. Fortunately Rob displays a little more wiggle room than you. Maybe some day Rob will want to retire and you can buy the site from him and bring down the hammer on everyone that doesn't see life through your eyes.

How the hell would you know what it would be like if I had my way? You don't even know me or understand what it is I'm referring to. OR if you do, then you have reappeared with a different name, which is what I'm starting to believe! The name is not familiar, but the tone of your comments are!

The person's user name before was: Rigamarta And was Banned!

So Rigamarta = catlover.

Good For You Jack

by Quadra Paul @, Thursday, January 14, 2021, 22:10 (4 days ago) @ midalake

Thanks a bunch Mr. Lake!

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Good For You Jack

by Bonnie, wherever you go, there you are..., Thursday, January 14, 2021, 22:23 (4 days ago) @ midalake

:thumb: :popcorn:

Good For You Jack

by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Friday, January 15, 2021, 18:42 (3 days ago) @ midalake

:wtf:

Good For You Jack

by nicatnit, Friday, January 15, 2021, 06:57 (4 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

No, it happened. I’m not delusional, I’ll give Biden a fair shake. Am I concerned about the ballooning debt is in the US that the new administration is sure to put on steroids? Yes, for the sake of my kids and grandkids. But hey that was already happening. And.....don’t be such a hater. I’m not an unreasonable person and I hope you aren’t either.

Good For You Jack

by midalake @, Friday, January 15, 2021, 07:15 (4 days ago) @ nicatnit
edited by midalake, Friday, January 15, 2021, 07:37

No, it happened. I’m not delusional, I’ll give Biden a fair shake. Am I concerned about the ballooning debt is in the US that the new administration is sure to put on steroids? Yes, for the sake of my kids and grandkids. But hey that was already happening. And.....don’t be such a hater. I’m not an unreasonable person and I hope you aren’t either.

Well if you voted for Bush and Dotard 45 and "all of a sudden" You are having issues with the current debt? WELL LOOK IN THE MIRROR!

When this country goes broke [and it will] It will not be the fault of the middle class nor because of democrats.

How thoughtful of you to get a conscience now.

Bet you thought we would be sick of winning right now too?

Good For You Jack

by mindpilot, la Playa Buenavista, Friday, January 15, 2021, 09:34 (4 days ago) @ midalake

:megusta:

Good For You Jack

by Quadra Paul @, Friday, January 15, 2021, 19:53 (3 days ago) @ nicatnit

No, it happened. I’m not delusional, I’ll give Biden a fair shake. Am I concerned about the ballooning debt is in the US that the new administration is sure to put on steroids? Yes, for the sake of my kids and grandkids. But hey that was already happening. And.....don’t be such a hater. I’m not an unreasonable person and I hope you aren’t either.

Actually you are delusional! How could anyone watch and listen to Trump for the years he was in office and come to the conclusion that he was good for the country? That's the height of delusion! You couldn't have been more wrong even if you tried. You even got your prediction about your home state wrong!

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Time To Move On

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, January 15, 2021, 20:22 (3 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

No, it happened. I’m not delusional, I’ll give Biden a fair shake. Am I concerned about the ballooning debt is in the US that the new administration is sure to put on steroids? Yes, for the sake of my kids and grandkids. But hey that was already happening. And.....don’t be such a hater. I’m not an unreasonable person and I hope you aren’t either.


Actually you are delusional! How could anyone watch and listen to Trump for the years he was in office and come to the conclusion that he was good for the country? That's the height of delusion! You couldn't have been more wrong even if you tried. You even got your prediction about your home state wrong!

Can we get past this or take it somewhere else? Pretty please?

Time To Move On

by nicatnit, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 12:03 (2 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Amen to that ????????

Time To Move On

by nicatnit, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 12:04 (2 days ago) @ nicatnit

Don’t know why the ????? I tried to send praying hands lol

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Time To Move On

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 13:59 (2 days ago) @ nicatnit

Don’t know why the ????? I tried to send praying hands lol

Your emojis from your phone or tablet won't work here until install the standard emoji set. A project for another time.

Good For You Jack

by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 15:05 (2 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

:megusta:

Good For You Jack

by nicatnit, Friday, January 15, 2021, 06:52 (4 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I’ll second that emotion. Let the love spread in 2021.

Longest Thread?

by Ironwood @, Friday, January 15, 2021, 19:16 (3 days ago) @ nicatnit

Is this now the longest thread in ZihuaRob Message Board history? Does anyone keep track of these things?

(In response to that last post: funny how Trump supporters are all running around pleading for "unity" and "love".)

Longest Thread?

by Quadra Paul @, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 12:54 (2 days ago) @ Ironwood

I like the "don't know why the???" response as if they don't quite understand what just happened!

Longest Thread?

by nicatnit, Saturday, January 16, 2021, 15:21 (2 days ago) @ Ironwood

I wouldn’t call it “pleading” Just trying to be civil. Now....let’s move on.

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Longest Thread?

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 11:38 (1 day, 12 hours, 45 min. ago) @ Ironwood

Is this now the longest thread in ZihuaRob Message Board history? Does anyone keep track of these things?

(In response to that last post: funny how Trump supporters are all running around pleading for "unity" and "love".)

It appears to be serving therapeutical purposes.

Rampaging Imbecility

by Ironwood @, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 12:13 (1 day, 12 hours, 10 min. ago) @ ZihuaRob

Is this now the longest thread in ZihuaRob Message Board history? Does anyone keep track of these things?

(In response to that last post: funny how Trump supporters are all running around pleading for "unity" and "love".)


It appears to be serving therapeutical purposes.

For therapeutical purposes, I'm currently enjoying Carl Hiaasen's latest take on US, and particularly south Floridian, idiosyncrasies; "Squeeze Me", and its hilarious depiction of the current First Family and their Palm Beach "southern White House", here called Casa Bellicosa.

(The President is advised that their Secret Service codenames are "Mastodon" and "Mockingbird". Pleased with his own name, he insists on visiting the Washington Zoo to see the mastodons)

Hiaasen refers to Mastodon's throngs of admirers as "rampaging imbecility", which sounds about right.

Rampaging Imbecility

by Quadra Paul @, Sunday, January 17, 2021, 12:23 (1 day, 12 hours, 0 min. ago) @ Ironwood

I love Carl Hiaasen! I'll take him as therapy anytime!