Testing will make travel safer

by Nancy in SGF, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 08:21 (43 days ago)

The new testing requirements will make travel safer. And yet many people are choosing to cancel their trip because of the testing requirements. I think this is an odd response. Although it will add a hassle to the trip as well as an extra expense, it seems to have made everybody panicky and afraid. Yet I only wish that we had testing on the flight coming from the United States as well. So, I’m fairly confused at so many people’s reactions that they are canceling their trip because of the testing requirement. It’s a head scratcher to me.

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by ZihuaRx @, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 08:50 (43 days ago) @ Nancy in SGF

Not sure if testing 3 days before you leave increases safety significantly. How about when you land at your final destination and a rapid test before you go. I guess acceptance is the key and I m happy for you that you are traveling.

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by Nancy in SGF, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 09:16 (43 days ago) @ ZihuaRx

We will probably just quarantine when we come home. We are going to go ahead and voluntarily test on the way out. So we’re gonna test the Wednesday before we leave for Zihua and then test before we come home. I feel like that’s about the most we can do. And around here in Missouri, we are still seeing people run around unmasked and even trying to have conversations with you unmasked. Yesterday I had a deposition and the guy that I was deposing walked into my law office without a mask on. We have masks to give people, but it’s just stunning to me that he thought he could come into my law office without a mask on. Our city has a mask ordinance. But our governor doesn’t have a state wide one and he’s pretty much let everyone know that they don’t have to obey local municipal masking ordinances.

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by Robbob @, Bonney Lake, Washington, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 12:27 (43 days ago) @ Nancy in SGF

Were you deposing Josh Hawley? SORRY...I couldn't resist!

Back on topic...we all have different thresholds of comfort when we travel. I think the Covid testing requirement just introduces more uncertainty to an already uncertain travel situation. Where to get the test? How much will the test cost? Will one be able to get the results timely? What does one do if they get a positive result? Etc. Etc. Adding this to an already "nervous" situation, for some this is a deal breaker at this time. Like alot of things in life I imagine as more information becomes available (THANKS Rob and others on here!) folks will relax a bit and be willing to travel.

My wife and I have postponed our trip to Zihua from March until November...not because of the test, but hopefully by that time we will have been fully vaccinated. I was able to receive my first jab this week...hopefully I will be able to receive my second jab in a couple weeks.

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by Nancy in SGF, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 12:46 (43 days ago) @ Robbob

Yay on getting vaccine part 1. ????

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by Robbob @, Bonney Lake, Washington, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 13:19 (43 days ago) @ Nancy in SGF

:megusta:

One of the side effects of the vaccine is EUPORIA!

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by Ironwood @, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 13:41 (43 days ago) @ Robbob

:megusta:

One of the side effects of the vaccine is EUPORIA!

Nasty business. I had a severe case of Euporia once.....took me weeks to get over it, even with the ointment. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

What? Euphoria? Never mind. ;-)

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by Nancy in SGF, Friday, January 22, 2021, 08:05 (42 days ago) @ Ironwood

My question too. Euporia?

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by DGPMich @, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 12:46 (43 days ago) @ Robbob

We just booked and our hotel is offering Complimentary Test with immediate results for returning to the US or Canada!

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by Nancy in SGF, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 22:48 (43 days ago) @ DGPMich

That’s great. A win all around.

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by The Fez ⌂ @, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 23:49 (43 days ago) @ DGPMich

We just booked and our hotel is offering Complimentary Test with immediate results for returning to the US or Canada!

The PCR test required for Canadians does not provide 'immediate results'. The soonest is at least 24 hours.

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by midalake @, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 09:26 (43 days ago) @ Nancy in SGF

The new testing requirements will make travel safer. And yet many people are choosing to cancel their trip because of the testing requirements. I think this is an odd response. Although it will add a hassle to the trip as well as an extra expense, it seems to have made everybody panicky and afraid. Yet I only wish that we had testing on the flight coming from the United States as well. So, I’m fairly confused at so many people’s reactions that they are canceling their trip because of the testing requirement. It’s a head scratcher to me.

While the "testing requirement" seems like a great idea at face value. I HIGHLY doubt it will catch many infected people from getting on a plane to return from a foreign country.
Let's face it. Most people that can afford to travel to an international destination don't live in trailer parks and are a we smarter than most.

In the long run I think it will be ineffective in stopping any spread of the virus. There is certainty better areas of COVID spread to spend time and money on!

D

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 09:57 (43 days ago) @ midalake

While testing isn't a bad idea, you can be contagious for 2-3 days before the test turns positive. It is probably a much better screen than temperature, but it only lowers but does not eliminate the risk.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 11:50 (43 days ago) @ Timmac

So true and sadly most people do not realize this and feel safer traveling now with these tests...

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by Craig AKA the cruise ship guy @, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 16:10 (43 days ago) @ Timmac

Not to worry Biden is going to make us all quarantine upon returning from outside the US. Guess I’ll be using that Las Vegas credit I have been sitting on as it’s so much safer there.

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by wisconsinjuan @, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 17:17 (43 days ago) @ Craig AKA the cruise ship guy

I'll tell you why so many are cancelling. because it is a hassle and extra cost when you are just coming for a week or so, Add to that, Zihua is becoming more difficult to get to and from every year.I have dozens of friends that are not coming this year, and that was before the new requirements.

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by Robbob @, Bonney Lake, Washington, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 21:38 (43 days ago) @ Craig AKA the cruise ship guy

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2021/01/21/covid-test-cdc-requirement-impacting-mexico-vacation-bookings-flights/6656919002/

For US travelers...

I heard President say "quarantine" upon returning to the US in his speech today. This is the first time I have heard this in addition to the pre-flight Covid test requirement.

Here is the text of the Executive Order: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/21/executive-order-promoting-covid-19-safety-in-domestic-and-international-tr...

See Section 5. It indicates complying with CDC Guidelines.

The CDC Guidelines are: "Get tested 3-5 days after travel AND stay home for 7 days after travel. Even if you test negative, stay home for the full 7 days. If your test is positive, isolate yourself to protect others from getting infected."

This will clearly impact short term travelers!

I imagine there will be clarification of this in the upcoming days.

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by Nancy in SGF, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 22:49 (43 days ago) @ Robbob

Yep. There is a lot to unpack in that order. I guess we will stay tuned.

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by The Fez ⌂ @, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 23:55 (43 days ago) @ midalake

While the "testing requirement" seems like a great idea at face value. I HIGHLY doubt it will catch many infected people from getting on a plane to return from a foreign country.
Let's face it. Most people that can afford to travel to an international destination don't live in trailer parks and are a we smarter than most.

In the long run I think it will be ineffective in stopping any spread of the virus. There is certainty better areas of COVID spread to spend time and money on!

D

Widespread testing seems to the reason countries like South Korea have managed to control Covid. It reduces the spread of the disease by identifying infected carriers and having them quarantine. Americans need to look at successful strategies elsewhere as the efforts within the US border have been catastrophic.

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Friday, January 22, 2021, 00:29 (43 days ago) @ The Fez

While wide spread testing can be helpful, without extensive contact tracing, it won’t help a lot. A large percentage of the cases are from exposure to asymptomatic carriers..

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Monday, January 25, 2021, 03:06 (40 days ago) @ Timmac

:megusta:

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by Nancy in SGF, Friday, January 22, 2021, 08:12 (42 days ago) @ The Fez

Exactly. I think the debate about its efficacy is odd. Foolproof? Of course not. Better than not requiring it? Absolutely. Think through one of people’s main complaints, which is “what if I test positive and can’t get on the plane?” So, apparently those people would rather be able to board the plane unknowing that they are positive and contagious. Their preference is that they be allowed to go home and thereby likely infect others. It’s this kind of thinking in the middle of this global pandemic that helps prevent us from getting it under control.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, January 22, 2021, 08:46 (42 days ago) @ Nancy in SGF

Exactly. I think the debate about its efficacy is odd. Foolproof? Of course not. Better than not requiring it? Absolutely. Think through one of people’s main complaints, which is “what if I test positive and can’t get on the plane?” So, apparently those people would rather be able to board the plane unknowing that they are positive and contagious. Their preference is that they be allowed to go home and thereby likely infect others. It’s this kind of thinking in the middle of this global pandemic that helps prevent us from getting it under control.

I doubt that anyone actually thinks like that. I believe what's more concerning are the false positives. And a friend of mine died, a person who used to post here frequently, after receiving a negative test. So then there's that.

The new requirements for quarantining after traveling abroad should help get us all to the right place. That has been the missing tool for international travelers. The vacuna is being applied as quickly as possible, and once it starts reaching the general population we should see less alarming stats.

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by golden boy @, Winnipeg, Sunday, January 24, 2021, 00:31 (41 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I still don't know what happens if I fail a Covid test at the airport. Am I quarantined? If not, am I free to leave?
And for what its worth, my brother who is in a personal care home was throwing up, had a fever and a cough.
After two negative tests he tested positive. He recovered. My opinion is that tests given 72 hours before departure have value but don't guarantee that I am not positive. So Rob, what happens if I fail a Covid test at the airport.

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by Ironwood @, Sunday, January 24, 2021, 02:46 (41 days ago) @ golden boy

I still don't know what happens if I fail a Covid test at the airport. Am I quarantined? If not, am I free to leave?
And for what its worth, my brother who is in a personal care home was throwing up, had a fever and a cough.
After two negative tests he tested positive. He recovered. My opinion is that tests given 72 hours before departure have value but don't guarantee that I am not positive. So Rob, what happens if I fail a Covid test at the airport.

Looks like the airlines won't or can't let you board. What you do then isn't the airlines problem. I suppose you'd have to wait it out until you could test negative, which could be weeks later.....if you're lucky.

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by Fly on the Wall, Sunday, January 24, 2021, 08:03 (40 days ago) @ Ironwood

Testing will help but it’s not full proof . We have had an outbreak in a long term facility just north of Toronto wherein all but 2 of the 134 residents and 84 staff have come down with the new British variation of Covid . There have been 32 deaths so far . Seems they have traced it back to a staff member who came in contact with a traveler who was asymptomatic .( the vaccines do seem to work against this new variation but you have to be able to get it)

Wouldn’t be surprised if in the next couple of days Trudeau announces that ALL travelers returning to Canada must go to specific quarantine sights , not their homes . Not sure what that will do if you truly are asymptomatic .

Australia has done that while at the same time barring all Australians from traveling outside the country . There are exceptions for KIwi’s and airline crew and a few other examples etc

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Monday, January 25, 2021, 03:12 (40 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Part of the issue with the false positive is what test is being issues as they are not all as accurate. As well, one other issue is when the person is tested as many can get tested after an exposure and will test negative and then develop symptoms days later or stay asymptomatic for days and infect a bunch of people during that time. You can be negative for a good period of time before testing positive. We had a co-worker that got tested 3 times during a period of 7 days due to an exposure. That person tested negative on the first 2 tests and no symptoms. On day 6, she was positive and admitted on day 7.

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by Quadra Paul @, Monday, January 25, 2021, 12:25 (39 days ago) @ cd69

What was the reason for the retesting? Did you not trust them?

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Monday, January 25, 2021, 17:00 (39 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

The second retesting was due to the exposure and the fact several of the other people that were exposed had developed symptoms and due to the nature of the work, no chance were taken. Once symptoms came out, she got retested a third time and it was finally a positive.

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by GordJ, Friday, January 22, 2021, 10:20 (42 days ago) @ Nancy in SGF

Exactly. I think the debate about its efficacy is odd. Foolproof? Of course not. Better than not requiring it? Absolutely. Think through one of people’s main complaints, which is “what if I test positive and can’t get on the plane?” So, apparently those people would rather be able to board the plane unknowing that they are positive and contagious. Their preference is that they be allowed to go home and thereby likely infect others. It’s this kind of thinking in the middle of this global pandemic that helps prevent us from getting it under control.

There is no like button but you’re absolutely right! Exactly why the testing is important.

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by Keytime @, Sunday, January 24, 2021, 11:13 (40 days ago) @ GordJ

Use the Me gusta emoji. :megusta: :-)

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by nicatnit, Friday, January 22, 2021, 21:57 (42 days ago) @ midalake

What does living in a trailer park have to do with anything Covid related? Don’t be biased against trailers park dwellers, they’re smarter than you look.