Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by anyhowe, Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 10:55 (5 days ago)

Seems incredibly disrespectful. But maybe I am missing something.

Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by ekim, Los Altos, Ca, Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 13:10 (5 days ago) @ anyhowe

Ou est le drapeau?

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Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 14:25 (5 days ago) @ ekim

Ou est le drapeau?

On the small rock islet in front of Embarc.

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Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 13:28 (5 days ago) @ anyhowe

Same thing happened 2 maybe 3 years ago. That time it only lasted a couple of days until a beach vendor admitted that he was paid extremely handsomely to cement the pole in and put the flag up. It was removed very quickly.

It should not be there, it is very rude.

Flags are the least of La Ropa's problems

by Ironwood @, Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 17:08 (5 days ago) @ Talley Ho

I know much has been written about the ridiculous "blue flag certification" of Playa La Ropa, but after experiencing the beach first-hand, I have to comment:

What were they thinking? They've turned a very people-friendly beach into one that seems to go out of its way to discourage people from actually using it, unless they are well-heeled enough to patronize the beach restaurants. Maybe that's the whole point behind the silly regulations.

Oddly enough, we got several different explanations from beach restaurant people as to what is, and is not allowed.....and where. The "blue flag certified beach", whatever the hell that means, apparently extends only from the edge of the southern-most building of the Thompson/Tides/Villa del Sol complex, north to the rocks below Casa Que Canta. It does not include the lengthy undeveloped beachfront lot, apparently owned by the Thompson, where, (just as an aside), people have enjoyed playing volleyball for decades.

Many of the beach restaurants have had their "territory" shrunk. Paty's, supposedly inside the blue flag area, has lost the right to set-up their long-standing beach lounge chairs and umbrellas. Likewise for Rossy's and El Delfin, who have lost all their beach lounge chairs. Since both latter restaurants are apparently out of the blue flag-certified area, why have they been pared-back?
Interestingly, La Perla, apparently outside the blue flag area, occupies a large area of the beach. They appear unaffected: all their usual beach umbrellas, lounge chairs, etc. are still there.

The biggest shock appears to be a prohibition on folks setting up their own beach umbrellas and chairs ANYWHERE on La Ropa.....blue flag area or otherwise. Bringing ones own chairs, umbrellas, etc has always been a major attraction for many longtime visitors to La Ropa, for foreign visitors as well as thousands of national tourists.....peace and quiet, not being forced to patronize relatively expensive beach restaurants, etc. What are those visitors supposed to do now? Where will they be welcome? I believe there are visitors who will chose to vacation elsewhere, solely as a result of this stupid regulation.

Flags are the least of La Ropa's problems

by katherine @, Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 17:50 (5 days ago) @ Ironwood

This makes me so sad. La Ropa has been my happy place for many years. It is definitely the best swimming beach in the area. I have seen many conflicting explanations for the current restrictions, but none of them make much sense. I will be there in January and hope things improve by then. If Madera also becomes blue Flag, this trip will be my last.

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Flags are the least of La Ropa's problems

by Mag B, Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 18:13 (5 days ago) @ Ironwood

I may be wrong but I believe that the seating prohibition is not related to the blue flag certification. This rule is related to COVID. The government was trying to avoid big gatherings last winter. I think this rule should be gone now that we are Semaforo Verde.
It doesn’t mean I approve the blue flag rules either. I should be allowed to walk my dog on this beach, especially at early or late hours.

Flags are the least of La Ropa's problems

by katherine @, Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 18:31 (5 days ago) @ Mag B

I may be wrong but I believe that the seating prohibition is not related to the blue flag certification. This rule is related to COVID. The government was trying to avoid big gatherings last winter. I think this rule should be gone now that we are Semaforo Verde.
It doesn’t mean I approve the blue flag rules either. I should be allowed to walk my dog on this beach, especially at early or late hours.

I agree, if it is Covid related, then the rule should certainly be gone by now. And that still doesn't explain why the rules are different for La Perla than for other restaurants. I can't help wondering who is enforcing these rules, and why the restaurant owners aren't up in arms. I agree about the dog walking. We used to walk our dog on La Ropa before 9 a.m., no problem. I wonder if those days are gone forever. And Playa la Madera is a poor substitute for La Ropa. Very small beach area. Even when we lived in the Madera neighborhood, La Ropa was our go-to beach. It was the beach where we fell in love with Zihuatanejo, back in 1996. I wonder if we are seeing the end of an era. Makes me feel very sad.

Flags are the least of La Ropa's problems

by Odwig, Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 19:51 (5 days ago) @ katherine

Good day all. I may have missed it or cannot find it. What is the blue flag fuss and the restrictions on la Ropa?.forgive my ignorance ! Please explain or point me to the rite thread. Thanks

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La Ropa Issues

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 07:01 (5 days ago) @ Odwig

The blue flag area (look it up on line for many many pages of rules and regulations) is from the north end of Playa la Ropa to the mercadito, which is between Villa Mexicana and The Thompson. That is all.

The chair/umbrella/food regulation is a state regulation dealing with COVID and hopefully will change. Keep complaining!!!!

The lounge chairs on the beach is a federal thing, some restaurants were able to, many years ago, purchase the right to have chairs on the beach from a specified distance from the high tide line, constant use, and a number of other rules. Obviously some have it and some don't.

It's time to have all of the beach accesses opened up and the chair/umbrella COVID thing changed due to health. People will be sick and sunburned if they cannot get out of the sun. And what about the tourism that this town wants?

Make your thoughts known to the appropriate agency. Please

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 08:06 (5 days ago) @ Talley Ho

The blue flag area (look it up on line for many many pages of rules and regulations) is from the north end of Playa la Ropa to the mercadito, which is between Villa Mexicana and The Thompson. That is all.

The chair/umbrella/food regulation is a state regulation dealing with COVID and hopefully will change. Keep complaining!!!!

The lounge chairs on the beach is a federal thing, some restaurants were able to, many years ago, purchase the right to have chairs on the beach from a specified distance from the high tide line, constant use, and a number of other rules. Obviously some have it and some don't.

It's time to have all of the beach accesses opened up and the chair/umbrella COVID thing changed due to health. People will be sick and sunburned if they cannot get out of the sun. And what about the tourism that this town wants?

Make your thoughts known to the appropriate agency. Please

The prohibition on chairs and umbrellas apparently doesn't affect Ixtapa's hotels and condos who have all people using their chairs and palapas (like umbrellas) on the beach every day. I notice Acapulco's beaches are also full of chairs and umbrellas.

If the local government weren't enforcing the stupid rule against beach chairs, umbrellas and FUN on the beach we wouldn't have this problem. But as usual, it appears our local government's ONLY interest is pouring as much cement as it can wherever it can. And that's a damn shame!

La Ropa Issues

by Ironwood @, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 09:13 (5 days ago) @ Talley Ho

The blue flag area (look it up on line for many many pages of rules and regulations) is from the north end of Playa la Ropa to the mercadito, which is between Villa Mexicana and The Thompson. That is all.

Make your thoughts known to the appropriate agency. Please

It's academic, but Paty told us that the blue flag area extends from the rocks, south/west to the Thompson. At the south/west end of the last building at the Thompson, there's a sign on the beach indicating the start, (or the end) of the blue flag area. There wouldn't be much sense posting the sign there, if the blue flag area didn't start until the mercadito between Villa Mexicana and the Thompson. But there's lots that doesn't make sense about this whole fiasco.

Any particular "appropriate agency" better than another to complain to?

La Ropa Issues

by Ironwood @, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 15:11 (4 days ago) @ Ironwood

Not to beat a dead horse, but I doublechecked that sign on the beach re the limits of the "blue flag" area. As part of the several large "blue flag" signs 20-25 meters south/west of the last building of the Thompson complex, a sign says, in Spanish, "Límite de playa", and in English, "Beach border", with an arrow pointed towards the north/east. So, the southern/western end of the blue flag area is approx. 20-25 meters south of the last Thompson hotel building. Given the length of the Thompson's beach front, that puts the blue flag area at least 200 meters past the mercadito.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 15:59 (4 days ago) @ Ironwood

Those signs get moved regularly. Check the actual paperwork on line.

La Ropa Issues

by Casa Juan @, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 14:10 (4 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Good explanation of the problem for those of us that are not as well informed!

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by Odwig, Thursday, November 25, 2021, 09:41 (4 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Thank you for the information and response

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Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 17:26 (5 days ago) @ anyhowe

I'm not there, so I haven't seen it, but why is it disrespectful to fly a foreign flag in Mexico?

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Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by hromero ⌂ @, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 14:01 (4 days ago) @ frostbite

The issue for me is that the flag was placed on public property and probably without the consent of anyone locally. Flying the flag of a different country on your own property is more appropriate, though one should still think about why they feel the need to do that.

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Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 14:19 (4 days ago) @ hromero

:megusta:

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Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 14:22 (4 days ago) @ Talley Ho

:megusta:

#MeToo

Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by Keytime @, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 15:46 (4 days ago) @ hromero

I have family that are Canadians, many of my best friends are Canadians. Now that you know my social network, I am not Canadian.

Canadians inherently need everyone to know that they are Canadians. Every Canadian has a Maple Leaf on at least one piece of their luggage. A hat, a jersey, a cup, something to indicate to others that they are Canadian, Not American. (secret, I would put a maple leaf on my bag when traveling in the middle east during hostile times)

Americans only flaunt during sporting events of National Teams. Canadians do it, 24/7. I would be proud to be a Canadian if I was one, but I am not. So with that said, I will just be entertained by our cousins to the north that always rest in the shadows of the big monster to their south. We should be grateful to Canadians as they gave us Captain Kirk, Avril Levine, Ryan Reynolds and Basketball. But they also gave us, Justin Bieber. Even with that, I am very glad to have such awesome neighbors, North and especially South. :vivamexico:

Best boarder sharing countries in the world.....Mexico/USA/ Canada

Mr. Trudeau! PLEASE TAKE DOWN THAT FLAG.

Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by Quadra Paul @, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 18:50 (4 days ago) @ Keytime

"Every Canadian has a Maple Leaf on at least one piece of their luggage. A hat, a jersey, a cup, something to indicate to others that they are Canadian"

Actually that is people pretending to be Canadian when they are traveling! They do that because everybody loves Canadians!

Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by noelofthenorth, Saturday, November 27, 2021, 14:44 (1 day, 8 hours, 54 min. ago) @ Quadra Paul

One of our friends from Ottawa has the Maple Leaf tattooed on his arm, when a local asked why he said every Canadian gets the tattoo when they are born, but you should see where they put the BarCode.....

Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 21:48 (4 days ago) @ Keytime

Love that post Keytime!

Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by Toby@Zihua @, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 22:16 (4 days ago) @ Keytime

I have family that are Canadians, many of my best friends are Canadians. Now that you know my social network, I am not Canadian.

Well, I am.

Canadians inherently need everyone to know that they are Canadians. Every Canadian has a Maple Leaf on at least one piece of their luggage. A hat, a jersey, a cup, something to indicate to others that they are Canadian

Stereotypes, stereotypes, stereotypes….. You may go on : All people from US are… All people of « colour » are….All Jews are… etc. What a dangerous way to perceive and describe reality!

Just wondering if the said flag was from USA, would it make such a fuss…..???

Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by Keytime @, Thursday, November 25, 2021, 07:03 (4 days ago) @ Toby@Zihua

The fuss would be HUGE! ENORMOUS! The biggest Fuss the world has ever seen. Just do it. You will see millions of people making a Fuss. It's True, just do it. The Mexicans put the Flag there and Canada had to pay for it. It's True. From now on, It will be MEXICO FIRST, MEXICO FIRST. Then of course Canada and USA, total scumbags, losers.

Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Friday, November 26, 2021, 07:37 (3 days ago) @ Keytime

The fuss would be HUGE! ENORMOUS! The biggest Fuss the world has ever seen. Just do it. You will see millions of people making a Fuss. It's True, just do it. The Mexicans put the Flag there and Canada had to pay for it. It's True. From now on, It will be MEXICO FIRST, MEXICO FIRST. Then of course Canada and USA, total scumbags, losers.

:dude: Bigly!

Proof of “Canadianness”

by Little Guy, Thursday, November 25, 2021, 10:12 (4 days ago) @ Keytime
edited by Little Guy, Thursday, November 25, 2021, 10:18

Canadians inherently need everyone to know that they are Canadians. Every Canadian has a Maple Leaf on at least one piece of their luggage. A hat, a jersey, a cup, something to indicate to others that they are Canadian, Not American.

Hmm, my passport says Canadian. My birth certificate says my birth was registered as being in Saskatchewan almost 70 years ago. My wife’s birth certificate says she was born in British Columbia. Yet neither of us owns a Canadian flag. I guess we should buy at least one each to prove to immigration officers that we are Canadians. Maybe that would have helped me one time at LAX.

Many years ago, on my first trip from Mexico to Canada, I presented myself at immigration at LAX without a Canadian passport. I showed my Saskatchewan birth certificate and my BC driver’s licence. I even behaved politely, said, “ex, why, zed” and “eh”.

The immigration officer said, “You look Mexican to me”. Mexico being such an ethnically diverse society, I doubt that they had any idea how offensive that comment was.

(As an aside, my Celtic father and Scandinavian mother thought it was hilarious that someone woukd have thought that I would “look Mexican”.

(secret, I would put a maple leaf on my bag when traveling in the middle east during hostile times)

I guess my plan of buying a Canadian flag wouldn’t work. Savvy people would think I was an American going incognito. :)

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by Craig AKA the cruise ship guy @, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 16:40 (4 days ago) @ frostbite

I'm not there, so I haven't seen it, but why is it disrespectful to fly a foreign flag in Mexico?

Yeah I don’t get it either. Plenty of Mexican flags where I live in California, no big deal.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 17:04 (4 days ago) @ Craig AKA the cruise ship guy

We live in Montana, which is just south of the Canadian border. Many businesses here welcome Canadian customers and flying Canadian flags is kind of a greeting. I've seen a lot of that in Europe, where you see the flags of many nations, since most of the countries are fairly small and there's a lot of cross-border travel.

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by Keytime @, Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 17:18 (4 days ago) @ frostbite

Hum? So you think the Canada flag was placed on the island rocks by Mexico saying, WELCOME to Canadians?

I suppose that is possible. A gesture of good friendship. I like it.

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by anyhowe, Thursday, November 25, 2021, 11:02 (3 days ago) @ frostbite

Idk. Maybe time to get off your naive and moral high horse. Your live in a state that voted 60% for the most racist bigoted president in recent history. Can you imagine how long a Mexican flag would last on federal ground in Montana? Or maybe they would just consider it a friendly sign. Yea, that's it.

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by Keytime @, Thursday, November 25, 2021, 11:46 (3 days ago) @ anyhowe

Pull you head out of the Snow. I was poking fun at the entire group for making a mountain out of a mole hill. After another reader commented that "Maybe it was the locals that placed the flag, welcoming back their Canadian friends" I want to believe that this is the case.

Ne jetez pas de pierres dans une maison de verre

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, November 25, 2021, 13:23 (3 days ago) @ Keytime

Pull you head out of the Snow. I was poking fun at the entire group for making a mountain out of a mole hill. After another reader commented that "Maybe it was the locals that placed the flag, welcoming back their Canadian friends" I want to believe that this is the case.

Ne jetez pas de pierres dans une maison de verre

No, it wasn't the locals. Locals have complained about it but don't want to upset the tourists, so we have to just grin and bear it and not make too much negative noise. It's pretty much the same in every tourist destination. Not sure why some good samaritan or the local authorities haven't simply removed it. Maybe one of you nice Canadians can retrieve your flag and find it a better home.

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Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by Sandy feet @, Seattle, Thursday, November 25, 2021, 15:10 (3 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I agree. It should be removed.

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by Dalejb, Thursday, November 25, 2021, 12:29 (3 days ago) @ anyhowe

Is this an insult to those of us from Montana or just a friendly"hey"?

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by Keytime @, Thursday, November 25, 2021, 12:39 (3 days ago) @ Dalejb

I would hope not. I was in Montana last summer for a Rodeo. They played O'Canada and then the Stars and Stripes. There were three riders from Mexico in the competition as well as a Parade group of beautiful horses and well outfitted Vaqueros y vaqueras. With Covid the RCMP could not attend, but maybe next year.

And if you want to compare Red-Neck populations? Alberta beats Montana 2 to 1....Just ask them Eh.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Thursday, November 25, 2021, 12:44 (3 days ago) @ anyhowe

Idk. Maybe time to get off your naive and moral high horse. Your live in a state that voted 60% for the most racist bigoted president in recent history. Can you imagine how long a Mexican flag would last on federal ground in Montana? Or maybe they would just consider it a friendly sign. Yea, that's it.

I'm not naive nor do I have a moral high horse. I'm fully aware that trump won in Montana and that all elected state government people are republicans. Nevertheless, I don't doubt that, in the event that a high-ranking Mexican official were to be invited to Montana, the Mexican flag would fly at the governor's residence in Helena upon his arrival. Your crappy response was uncalled for.

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Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by qwerty @, Oregon, USA, Thursday, November 25, 2021, 09:53 (4 days ago) @ Craig AKA the cruise ship guy

I think the specific location is the issue. It's on public MEXICAN property and somewhat "permanent". If you want to hang your country's flag over your hotel's deck railing while you are staying there, that's one thing. The only flag that should be on those rocks (if any) is a local city/state flag or the Mexican flag. I think Canadians are generally nice people, but whoever did this, not so much.

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Why Canadian flag at la Ropa

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Thursday, November 25, 2021, 09:55 (4 days ago) @ qwerty

There is always a Mexican flag there. When it gets ragged, it is replaced.

At least this time the Canadian flag is lower than the Mexican flag. Last time it was higher and only lasted a few days.

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by Toby@Zihua @, Thursday, November 25, 2021, 12:27 (3 days ago) @ qwerty

Let’s get paranoid !!
The Canadian flag has been placed there by someone who hates Canadians and want them to be disliked ;-)

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Canadian Flag issue RESOLVED!!!

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Sunday, November 28, 2021, 13:32 (10 hours, 7 minutes ago) @ anyhowe

During this mornings paddle we saw that the Canadian flag has slid down the pole and is now down on the rocks and is basically not visible.

Hopefully the same person who had it placed there will not do it again.

Canadian Flag issue RESOLVED!!!

by PJH, Kelowna, Sunday, November 28, 2021, 18:20 (5 hours, 18 minutes ago) @ Talley Ho

During this mornings paddle we saw that the Canadian flag has slid down the pole and is now down on the rocks and is basically not visible.

Hopefully the same person who had it placed there will not do it again.

That’s fantastic now you will be able to sleep at night :jeer:

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Canadian Flag issue RESOLVED!!!

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Sunday, November 28, 2021, 20:35 (3 hours, 3 minutes ago) @ PJH

:wtf: