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by Robbob @, Bonney Lake, Washington, Tuesday, May 17, 2022, 12:10 (49 days ago)

Canadian Model of Abortion Rights

by Little Guy @, Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 11:20 (48 days ago) @ Robbob

I appreciate that this board is principally about Mexican topics, so I will be brief.

I prefer the Canadian model regarding laws regulating or prohibiting a woman’s reproductive rights.

There aren’t any such laws.

The last Canadian laws regarding restrictions on abortion were struck down by the Supreme Court in 1988. (There were no laws regarding men’s reproductive rights to strike down.)

There has been no law regarding abortion since 1988. It is a medical decision between a woman and the physician(s). No political party in power has proposed new laws. The three major political parties in Canada say they have no intention of introducing new legislation to change this.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 12:31 (48 days ago) @ Little Guy

A country that gets it!!!!!!!

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by Yandosan, Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 13:36 (48 days ago) @ Little Guy

So a woman can get an abortion 15 minutes before labor?

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by ChristyZ @, Eugene, Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 15:59 (47 days ago) @ Yandosan

Yes. The same as a man could have a vasectomy 15 minutes before becoming sexually active. Nonsensical extremism.

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by Yandosan, Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 16:17 (47 days ago) @ ChristyZ

But of course in the case of the vasectomy you would not be terminating the life of a viable fetus (23 or 24 weeks is the consensus on what constitutes "viable." )
I am not an extremist on the issue, I just didn't know that Canada was that
laissez-faire regarding abortion.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 17:53 (47 days ago) @ Yandosan

But of course in the case of the vasectomy you would not be terminating the life of a viable fetus (23 or 24 weeks is the consensus on what constitutes "viable." )
I am not an extremist on the issue, I just didn't know that Canada was that
laissez-faire regarding abortion.

The viability of any fetus is absolutely no one else's business besides the mother's unless she wants it to be. You cannot terminate the life of that which has not been born. I don't care what any law says. Until it is born, it is as much a part of the mother's body as any part. The rights of the born must take precedence over any rights of the unborn.

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by Little Guy @, Thursday, May 19, 2022, 12:22 (47 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

But of course in the case of the vasectomy you would not be terminating the life of a viable fetus (23 or 24 weeks is the consensus on what constitutes "viable." )
I am not an extremist on the issue, I just didn't know that Canada was that
laissez-faire regarding abortion.


The viability of any fetus is absolutely no one else's business besides the mother's unless she wants it to be. You cannot terminate the life of that which has not been born. I don't care what any law says. Until it is born, it is as much a part of the mother's body as any part. The rights of the born must take precedence over any rights of the unborn.

Rob’s view is reflected in Canadian law.

Section 233(1) of the criminal code of Canada…

When child becomes human being

223 (1) A child becomes a human being within the meaning of this Act when it has completely proceeded, in a living state, from the body of its mother, whether or not

(a) it has breathed;
(b) it has an independent circulation; or
(c) the navel string is severed.

(Canada has a single criminal code that comprises the only criminal law that applies everywhere in Canada.)

So the idea of “terminating the life”, is not a consideration. The fetus is not a human being with life.

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Sunday, May 22, 2022, 10:38 (44 days ago) @ ChristyZ

Yes. The same as a man could have a vasectomy 15 minutes before becoming sexually active. Nonsensical extremism.

Nonsensical extremism is all they got.

A few days ago, the CEO of Americans United for Life, the GOP's main witness during congressional hearing on abortion rights, claimed that D.C.'s electrical company powers the lights with incinerated fetuses.

https://www.salon.com/2022/05/19/fetus-powered-street-lamps-ramp-up-outrageous-anti-abortion-lies-ahead-of-roes-demise/

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 17:53 (47 days ago) @ Yandosan

So a woman can get an abortion 15 minutes before labor?

This is the essence of what is tearing the United States apart. This scenario is totally absurd. No one in their right mind would carry a child to term only to abort the child 15 minutes before labor. Why would you ask such a ridiculous question if only to be able to say, "Gotcha! I owned the Libs! Score one for Fox News and the Christian Right!"

One could envision a situation where the woman is about to give birth and the doctors say, "This birth is likely to kill you, Mother-to-be, or your baby, or both of you. We had better do something quick. Here are your options and none of them are pleasant." Forgive me if I am wrong but as a layman, I don't even believe it would be called an abortion in this instance.

During the Cold War, the Soviet Union quickly realized that there was no possible scenario where they could defeat the United States militarily. They believed the only way to defeat the United States was to get it to fall from within. They just didn't have the needed tools. Now they have the tools -- Farcebook, Titter, Instascam. They also have something going for them that they never could have imagined, Fox News. I don't pretend to know what is going on inside the head of Rupert Murdoch but it sure isn't the well being of the United States.

According to the more and more radicalized right, we no longer have Democrats and Republicans. We have the Party of Man and the Party of God. And Heaven help us if the Party of God doesn't quickly see where they are leading the Republic.

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by Yandosan, Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 19:52 (47 days ago) @ Padrino
edited by Yandosan, Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 19:58

"No one in their right mind would carry a child to term only to abort the child 15 minutes before labor. Why would you ask such a ridiculous question if only to be able to say, "Gotcha! I owned the Libs! Score one for Fox News and the Christian Right!"


A number of psychiatric aberrations are associated with pregnancy and labor due
to endocrinological or other changes that occur.
Did you ever see the story of the teenager at a high school prom who
flushed her baby down the toilet and denied ever being pregnant? A small percentage of women who are pregnant or approaching labor are not in their "right mind" (as you say) and sooner or later someone in Canada is going to terminate in the final weeks, or ask for assistance in doing so . I was simply asking if that would be legal. The answer was "yes." Your biggest adversary on the moral controversy will be the 72% Catholics of Mexico, who have argued that life begins at conception, not me.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 20:55 (47 days ago) @ Yandosan
edited by Talley Ho, Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 21:01

Female here.

Totally agree with what Rob said.

I, and after marriage, he agreed with me that kids weren't in the future.


Anybody should ALWAYS have the choice to do whatever they want to do with their body, stupid or not, including reproduction.

We can agree to disagree, but you wouldn't be introducing a child into this world, she would.

No more for me/us in this non discussion. How can you discuss it with someone who isn't popping a child?

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 21:50 (47 days ago) @ Yandosan

Did you ever see the story of the teenager at a high school prom who
flushed her baby down the toilet and denied ever being pregnant?

This person needed professional help and if abortion becomes criminalized, she is guaranteed not to get it.

A small percentage of women who are pregnant or approaching labor are not in their "right mind" (as you say) and sooner or later someone in Canada is going to terminate in the final weeks, or ask for assistance in doing so. I was simply asking if that would be legal. The answer was "yes."

This is where the debate is worthwhile. There are those who would argue that the woman has passed a point where abortion has become a discretionary choice. They have a point and personally, I am ambivalent and can see both sides of the argument. However, in the case where the life of the mother is in question, there is no valid argument. The life of the mother is more important than the life of the child. However, as Rob and Talley Ho have argued, there are those who believe that the mother should still have the termination option since it is still her body. As mentioned by others, we will have to agree to disagree.

Your biggest adversary on the moral controversy will be the 72% Catholics of Mexico, who have argued that life begins at conception, not me.

This argument falls flat on its face. You may believe that life begins at conception but the simple fact is that life begins long before conception. This is the Christian Right's next battleground. Contraceptives were banned many years ago and no doubt there will be a push to limit them again, especially for minors. Don't believe me? Governor refuses to rule out contraception ban

This same individual also believes that incest and rape victims should be required to carry a child to term. This is truly sick. And I reiterate, it is tearing the United States apart.

The last point is that this is the first time in the history of the Supreme Court that they have taken away a human right. The Supreme Court has always been the venue that expanded human rights. Have we hit the high water mark with regard to our rights? What is next on their agenda? The new reactionary majority on the Court is no doubt just getting started.

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by islandgirl @, Cowichan Valley, Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 21:52 (47 days ago) @ Yandosan

I find your post offensive, being a Canadian woman. It is a decision between a doctor and a woman. A doctor has professional rules and regulations to follow.
Removing a full term infant is generally called enduced laboor or a caesarean section. And just in case you are still confused, Canada does not allow infanticide.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Thursday, May 19, 2022, 06:39 (47 days ago) @ Padrino

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by Little Guy @, Thursday, May 19, 2022, 12:10 (47 days ago) @ Yandosan

I’m not sure that you read and understood the sentence, ‘It is a medical decision between a woman and the physician(s).”.

Like any other medical procedure, I is not a unilateral patient decision. When I had a vasectomy in Canada, it was not my unilateral decision. It was a medical decision, “between me and my physician”. Similarly, when a friend had an abortion, it was, “a medical decision between her and her physician”.

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by Little Guy @, Thursday, May 19, 2022, 12:15 (47 days ago) @ Yandosan

As stated above, it is a medical decision involving a woman and her physician. I am not aware of an instance of a physician agreeing to the scenario you describe.

Generally, woman and physicians in Canada are not unreasonable and do not place themselves in unreasonable situations.

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by El Fantasma, Thursday, May 19, 2022, 12:25 (47 days ago) @ Little Guy

Before you guys and gals get all wound up, don't lose sight of what the US supreme court will be doing, kicking the legality of abortion back to the individual states to decide. Pretty much the same as the death penalty. Legal in some states and not in others.

As a side note, interesting how everyone always wants to look at Europe as to how things should be done. Take some time and check their abortion laws.

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Sunday, May 22, 2022, 10:23 (44 days ago) @ El Fantasma

Before you guys and gals get all wound up, don't lose sight of what the US supreme court will be doing, kicking the legality of abortion back to the individual states to decide. Pretty much the same as the death penalty. Legal in some states and not in others.

As a side note, interesting how everyone always wants to look at Europe as to how things should be done. Take some time and check their abortion laws.


Oregon isn't shipping prisoners to Texas to be executed. Mississippi isn't requiring drug tests for vacationers returning from California (yet).
Point being that the states are not just making abortion illegal, they are also making it criminal to leave the state, to seek information about abortion or even to assist someone in getting information or leaving the state. State legislators are writing laws that will charge a woman with murder if she experiences an ectopic pregnancy or miscarries for any reason.

And while the current SCOTUS opinion is candy-coated with the Libertarian mantra of states' rights, make no mistake, what they are really aiming for is a federal ban, soon to be followed by a ban on all forms of birth control and sex education.

The Christian Nationalists who now infest the entire US government want to become The United States of Gilead.

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by Bart, Sunday, May 22, 2022, 10:37 (44 days ago) @ mindpilot

Just curious, where do you get your information?

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Sunday, May 22, 2022, 10:43 (44 days ago) @ Bart

Just curious, where do you get your information?

Which piece of information exactly?

Is there an Oregon-Texas prisoner exchange I haven't read about?

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by Bart, Sunday, May 22, 2022, 11:07 (44 days ago) @ mindpilot

Most of it.......where did you hear about a federal ban on birth control?

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Sunday, May 22, 2022, 15:57 (43 days ago) @ Bart

Most of it.......where did you hear about a federal ban on birth control?

Name a major news source. I'm not going to do your Googling for you. Frankly, your question sounds a bit trollish since this is a major unfolding current news event. But in case you really are asking...

It's pretty obvious that is the direction the Christian Nationalist want to go. Laws are already being introduced in state legislators to restrict certain types of birth control.

Maybe it won't be a complete ban, maybe they will be happy with just taking the US back to when I was a kid and my mom needed a note from my dad to buy condoms.

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by Bart, Sunday, May 22, 2022, 18:06 (43 days ago) @ mindpilot

To believe there will be a ban on condoms and "the pill" is foolish. For a reputable news source to say anything different is outlandish and makes them not so reputable.

So your folks started using birth control after you were born.....I wonder why?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, May 22, 2022, 18:58 (43 days ago) @ Bart

To believe there will be a ban on condoms and "the pill" is foolish. For a reputable news source to say anything different is outlandish and makes them not so reputable.

So your folks started using birth control after you were born.....I wonder why?

Wow, that was rude.

MoscowMitch has already referenced a nationwide ban on abortion, and the cult to which he adheres would indeed ban birth control methods if they could in their crazy attempt to take the USA back to a WandaVisionesque version of Leave It To Beaver.

How do you like your crow? Without the feathers? Provecho.

Some States Already Are Targeting Birth Control

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by Bart, Sunday, May 22, 2022, 19:43 (43 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Why would I eat crow? Did I miss something in that article? Was a law passed? There is a difference in proposing a law and passing a law. I stand by my original statement....there will not be a law passed to ban birth control. Do you think politicians don't use birth control? When I say birth control, I'm talking about the pill, condoms etc.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, May 22, 2022, 20:14 (43 days ago) @ Bart

Why would I eat crow? Did I miss something in that article? Was a law passed? There is a difference in proposing a law and passing a law. I stand by my original statement....there will not be a law passed to ban birth control. Do you think politicians don't use birth control? When I say birth control, I'm talking about the pill, condoms etc.

The writing is clearly (for some) on the wall. Why you want to deny it is your business.

Republicans didn't want to help procure baby formula, and now they're also blocking a bill to investigate white racist national terrorism. Why would Republicans do those things? And why do they admire authoritarian regimes so much? First it was Russia, now it's Hungary. The writing is clearly on the wall.

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by jay @, Sunday, May 22, 2022, 20:47 (43 days ago) @ Bart

I stand by my original statement....there will not be a law passed to ban birth control. Do you think politicians don't use birth control? When I say birth control, I'm talking about the pill, condoms etc.

You're probably half right - not all contraceptives will be banned. but it's a near certainty that some will. There are already moves to ban IUDs in some states because it's seen as an abortifacient. That's a matter of opinion. Other methods will probably be banned too for the same reasons (or flimsy excuses). And yeah, politicians, even Republicans, do use contraception. But their worldview consists of controlling other's behavior, while reserving those rights for themselves. Abortion (and condoms) for me but not for thee. Same as always.

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by Little Guy @, Monday, May 23, 2022, 13:53 (43 days ago) @ Bart

I stand by my original statement....there will not be a law passed to ban birth control. Do you think politicians don't use birth control?

Do you think “family values, anti-choice Republicans are consistent in what they do to control others and what they do in their own interests?

Pennsylvania Rep. Tim Murphy has resigned after a report surfaced earlier this week that he had asked an extramarital lover to end her pregnancy.

Murphy, a Republican who co-sponsored a 20-week abortion ban that passed in the House Tuesday, allegedly asked his lover to terminate her pregnancy, according to text message records acquired by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/anti-abortion-rep-tim-murphy-asked-mistress-terminate/story?id=50274843

This is only one example. I will leave it to your research skills to find the others. It shouldn’t be difficult. “Like finding hay in a haystack.”

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by Bart, Monday, May 23, 2022, 14:49 (43 days ago) @ Little Guy

I stand by my original statement....there will not be a law passed to ban birth control. Do you think politicians don't use birth control?


Do you think “family values, anti-choice Republicans are consistent in what they do to control others and what they do in their own interests?

Pennsylvania Rep. Tim Murphy has resigned after a report surfaced earlier this week that he had asked an extramarital lover to end her pregnancy.

Murphy, a Republican who co-sponsored a 20-week abortion ban that passed in the House Tuesday, allegedly asked his lover to terminate her pregnancy, according to text message records acquired by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/anti-abortion-rep-tim-murphy-asked-mistress-terminate/story?id=50274843

This is only one example. I will leave it to your research skills to find the others. It shouldn’t be difficult. “Like finding hay in a haystack.”

What does what you said have anything to do with what I said?

Rep. Murphy appears to be in favor of abortion up to 20 weeks. So what's your point?

Murphy would've been better off driving his car into a river letting his lover and the baby die. That way he could have kept his job like Ted Kennedy.

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Sunday, May 22, 2022, 20:27 (43 days ago) @ Bart

To believe there will be a ban on condoms and "the pill" is foolish. For a reputable news source to say anything different is outlandish and makes them not so reputable.

So your folks started using birth control after you were born.....I wonder why?

You may feel free to bugger right the hell off after that comment.

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by Dougschuler @, Denver, Sunday, May 22, 2022, 19:47 (43 days ago) @ mindpilot

Birds aren’t real.

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Sunday, May 22, 2022, 20:33 (43 days ago) @ Dougschuler

Birds aren’t real.

Of course not. Did someone say they are?

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by El Fantasma, Monday, May 23, 2022, 08:55 (43 days ago) @ mindpilot

Your supposition about what state legislators are doing is nothing but speculation until it actually happens. Laws require votes and even then will be challenged in courts. The sky is not falling!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, May 23, 2022, 09:31 (43 days ago) @ El Fantasma

Your supposition about what state legislators are doing is nothing but speculation until it actually happens. Laws require votes and even then will be challenged in courts. The sky is not falling!

I don't believe you appreciate the lengths to which the U.S. Taliban have gone to get to this moment. They have spent decades preparing for this. They've stacked the federal courts as well as the Supreme Court. They have state legislatures ready to pounce with restrictive laws as soon as Roe v Wade is officially struck down. I don't know what courts you think are going to save the day. The world does not have faith in a U.S. justice system that allowed one president to stage a phony war to try to cover up its dealing drugs to buy arms to bribe terrorists NOT to release U.S. hostages, another president to start a war based on LIES, and another to lead a coup against his own government. None have been punished. U.S. justice is a paper tiger. Not the stalwart institution it was once perceived to be.

While the USA is going backwards, Mexico is moving forward. ¡Viva México!

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by Bart, Monday, May 23, 2022, 11:46 (43 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

While the USA is going backwards, Mexico is moving forward. ¡Viva México!

Rob, finally we agree on something. The USA is definitely moving in the wrong direction; Record inflation, record gas prices, record crime, empty food shelves, chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, rising tensions with China and Russia, foreign policy disaster etc etc. 72% of the USA population agrees with us, that the country is moving in the wrong direction. But I'm betting you don't think any of this is Biden's fault.

With Hispanics, Biden has an approval rating of 26% and a disapproval rating of 60%. Maybe they know something you don't.

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by Yandosan, Monday, May 23, 2022, 12:14 (43 days ago) @ Bart

"Record inflation, record gas prices, record crime, empty food shelves, chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, rising tensions with China and Russia, foreign policy disaster etc etc. 72% of the USA population agrees with us, that the country is moving in the wrong direction. But I'm betting you don't think any of this is Biden's fault."


Reminiscent of 1980. I think we need a proper recession to get things moving along again, the Cycle of Life... After all, think about how much fun the Roaring 80s were after after all that turmoil.

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Monday, May 23, 2022, 13:11 (43 days ago) @ Yandosan

The 80's? You mean the last time a tv star was president, who presided over the largest tax increase on the working class in history, the drug war, an illegal war, a covert war, and drove the deficit to record levels?

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by jay @, Monday, May 23, 2022, 12:51 (43 days ago) @ Bart

I'll take these one at a time:

Record inflation,

Inflation was much worse in the seventies, hitting double digits.

record gas prices,

Adjusted for inflation, gas prices were higher twenty years ago.

record crime,

Have you ever taken a look at crime stats from the seventies and eighties? Violent crime was much worse back then.

empty food shelves

While there may have been empty food shelves during the pandemic (which was understandable) the only missing item now is infant formula. And that's a result of Trump's idiotic trade wars and a huge recall of domestic product. I'm hard pressed to find Biden to blame for that.

chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan

Any time you try to evacuate 110,000 people in a short time-frame there's going to be a good deal of chaos. Accomplishing it all in just ten days was actually a remarkable achievement.

rising tensions with China and Russia

When haven't there been tensions with China and Russia? Maybe the invasion of Ukraine had something to do with that.

I know it's your job to bash Biden at every opportunity, but at least you could exhibit some intellectual honesty in the process.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, May 23, 2022, 12:59 (43 days ago) @ Bart

While the USA is going backwards, Mexico is moving forward. ¡Viva México!

Rob, finally we agree on something. The USA is definitely moving in the wrong direction; Record inflation, record gas prices, record crime, empty food shelves, chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, rising tensions with China and Russia, foreign policy disaster etc etc. 72% of the USA population agrees with us, that the country is moving in the wrong direction. But I'm betting you don't think any of this is Biden's fault.

With Hispanics, Biden has an approval rating of 26% and a disapproval rating of 60%. Maybe they know something you don't.

Man, you stepped in a pile of crap and now you want to track it all over my website. No, son. President Biden has brought the USA back into the world, but it's particularly you people who continue to attack the decent man doing the good work of We The People while supporting an orange-painted racist clown with ridiculous hair who tried to overthrow the U.S. government who are taking the USA backwards. You've no moral authority to criticize President Biden.

Biden's foreign policy is no disaster. The USA is no longer the laughingstock of the world nor mistrusted as it was for those 4 years of TFG's administration. Any problems with the Afghanistan withdrawal were because TFG gave Afghanistan to the Taliban with an early deadline and without even considering the Afghan government. That was TFG, your guy who loved authoritarian dictators.

Any poor approval rating can be directly linked to Putin's propaganda machine, Faux Snooze, that incredibly is still allowed to continue poisoning the minds of dumbed down U.S. citizens. Inflation and high gas prices are WORLDWIDE, but yeah, dumbed down U.S. citizens have trouble understanding anything that happens beyond their borders so they blame THE WRONG PERSON (so typical), and of course Faux Snooze continues to convince its dumbed down audience that Biden and Dems are the problem. THAT'S why the USA is going backwards. Nothing to do with Biden at all. But you support the insurrectionist who tried to overthrow the government, so you really shouldn't comment on anything government related as you've already shown extremely poor judgement.

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by Bart, Monday, May 23, 2022, 13:25 (43 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Wow that was rude.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, May 23, 2022, 18:11 (42 days ago) @ Bart

Wow that was rude.

No, voting for TFG was rude. And stop PROJECTING.

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Monday, May 23, 2022, 10:56 (43 days ago) @ El Fantasma

Your supposition about what state legislators are doing is nothing but speculation until it actually happens. Laws require votes and even then will be challenged in courts. The sky is not falling!

It's not a "supposition"...it is effin' reality. And what court is going to overturn such a law? The same courts with judges installed by the same Christians who wrote and passed the law? The current SCOTUS?

Some of us have been sounding the alarm about the Christian takeover of the US government for literally decades. Now it is actually coming to fruition and the mainstream media is finally starting to notice. We are witnessing the end of a decades long coup, which is no small part of the reason that I have moved to MX. Baring some great sea of change in the US government, the US will continue its slide into theocratic authoritarianism.

Recommended reading:

Andrew Seidel, "The Founding Myth"

Katherine Stewart "The Power Worshipers"

Jeff Sharlett "The Family" (also a Netflix doc)

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by El Fantasma, Monday, May 23, 2022, 12:23 (43 days ago) @ mindpilot

Some of us have been sounding the alarm about the Christian takeover of the US government for literally decades. Now it is actually coming to fruition and the mainstream media is finally starting to notice. We are witnessing the end of a decades long coup, which is no small part of the reason that I have moved to MX. Baring some great sea of change in the US government, the US will continue its slide into theocratic authoritarianism.

LOL, better watch out or the boogie man will get you in Mexico too. Christians make up well over 75% of the religious affiliation there.

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Monday, May 23, 2022, 13:01 (43 days ago) @ El Fantasma

LOL, better watch out or the boogie man will get you in Mexico too. Christians make up well over 75% of the religious affiliation there.

:lunatic:

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, May 23, 2022, 13:06 (43 days ago) @ El Fantasma

Some of us have been sounding the alarm about the Christian takeover of the US government for literally decades. Now it is actually coming to fruition and the mainstream media is finally starting to notice. We are witnessing the end of a decades long coup, which is no small part of the reason that I have moved to MX. Baring some great sea of change in the US government, the US will continue its slide into theocratic authoritarianism.

LOL, better watch out or the boogie man will get you in Mexico too. Christians make up well over 75% of the religious affiliation there.

Mexicans are leaving the Catholic church in record numbers, and there is literally nothing resembling the U.S. Taliban in Mexico. The closest would be the evangelists (with a lot of U.S. foreigners in their ranks) who are tame by comparison.

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Monday, May 23, 2022, 13:12 (43 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:

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by El Fantasma, Monday, May 23, 2022, 16:00 (42 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Mexicans are leaving the Catholic church in record numbers,

Every Sunday when mass has ended.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, May 23, 2022, 18:17 (42 days ago) @ El Fantasma

Mexicans are leaving the Catholic church in record numbers,


Every Sunday when mass has ended.

Maybe you'll believe cold hard FACTS.

Cada vez hay menos personas religiosas en México, la gente está huyendo de CDMX y somos 126 millones en el país: así el censo 2020

Religiosos a la baja

by El Fantasma, Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 07:56 (42 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

First off, you need to read the whole story, not just the headline. The decrease is minor. Second, if there's one thing you should have learned by now is that you can find publications to back up opinions from all angles. Opinions are not the same as "facts". Third, you should know by now that you can't believe or trust politicians, government officials and most of all the news media. Mexico is no different in that respect than the US or Canada. If you do, then you probably still believe in the Easter bunny.

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Religiosos a la baja

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 08:31 (42 days ago) @ El Fantasma

First off, you need to read the whole story, not just the headline. The decrease is minor. Second, if there's one thing you should have learned by now is that you can find publications to back up opinions from all angles. Opinions are not the same as "facts". Third, you should know by now that you can't believe or trust politicians, government officials and most of all the news media. Mexico is no different in that respect than the US or Canada. If you do, then you probably still believe in the Easter bunny.

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They're STATISTICS, not a story, and your assumption that I hadn't read it is just plain odd. INEGI isn't the news media. It's the Instituto Nacional de Estadística, Geografía e Informática. There are no opinions involved. Their stats support my observations of almost 50 years. I trust INEGI's stats and their methodology.

But then again, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that even when supplied with FACTS you'd prefer your own spin. I'm trying to inform and educate, not to reinforce any preconceived notions. It's all good, man. Whatever jiggles your Jell-O.

Canadian Model of Abortion Rights

by Quadra Paul @, Friday, May 20, 2022, 10:56 (46 days ago) @ Yandosan

Given the right set of circumstances (ie life threatening etc) YES!