Taxis and tortillas

by Oeste Hermoso @, Zihuatanejo, Thursday, June 02, 2022, 14:16 (34 days ago)

(1) I have read elsewhere of the pohlease hassling tortilla vendors. What is that all about? (2) Significant shortage of taxis. My taxi drivers say there are not enough customers so many drivers are staying home or working elsewhere. Others tell me the cooperative is manipulating to increase prices. There can be strikes if the workers do not have an employer as the term is not strictly limited to lab/mgt disputes (hunger strikes, rent strikes etc). What is happening? Reducing supply to match demand or withdrawing of service to force increase in cost of service? ‘Labour market adjustment’ or ‘taxi strike’? And how does the burning of taxis come into the matter?

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by Shelby, Thursday, June 02, 2022, 16:02 (34 days ago) @ Oeste Hermoso

Updates on informativo de la costa - newsfeed on Facebook says violence & insecurity

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by Cluttrbustr ⌂ @, Troncones, MX, Thursday, June 02, 2022, 20:47 (34 days ago) @ Shelby

thanks for the FB page info.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, June 02, 2022, 17:38 (34 days ago) @ Oeste Hermoso

(1) I have read elsewhere of the pohlease hassling tortilla vendors. What is that all about? (2) Significant shortage of taxis. My taxi drivers say there are not enough customers so many drivers are staying home or working elsewhere. Others tell me the cooperative is manipulating to increase prices. There can be strikes if the workers do not have an employer as the term is not strictly limited to lab/mgt disputes (hunger strikes, rent strikes etc). What is happening? Reducing supply to match demand or withdrawing of service to force increase in cost of service? ‘Labour market adjustment’ or ‘taxi strike’? And how does the burning of taxis come into the matter?

As I repeat here ad nauseum, I can't imagine what Fonatur was thinking putting a tourist resort in a remote and lawless region of Guerrero.

Public transport is apparently being threatened and extorted by criminals, and apparently so are the tortilla makers. There have also been grotesque murders of transportation workers and leaders. Anyone who looks like they're making money will get extorted here. This is what happens when a place goes decades without a professional police force at the same time that Prohibition 2.0 continues creating more and more powerful gangs of organized criminals well supplied with firearms and money from el otro lado.

We can also thank the lovely road to Morelia for the increasing insecurity in our region. El efecto cucaracha of criminals fleeing from one zone to another comes in waves, and it looks like we're having a tsunami. Enjoy the ride.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Thursday, June 02, 2022, 18:18 (34 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

As I repeat here ad nauseum, I can't imagine what Fonatur was thinking putting a tourist resort in a remote and lawless region of Guerrero.

Rob, Fonatur is a powerful governmental agency in Mexico, is it not? Have they done anything to address the violence in Guerrero? Or do they just set up shop, build the tourist infrastructure, and then skip town? I am aware of a significant project that they are undertaking in Huatulco. They literally carved out a canyon between the cruise ship terminal and the village for a one-kilometer pedestrian walkway that will be lined with tourist and residential buildings. They obviously have some serious pesos backing them up.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, June 02, 2022, 18:21 (34 days ago) @ Padrino

As I repeat here ad nauseum, I can't imagine what Fonatur was thinking putting a tourist resort in a remote and lawless region of Guerrero.


Rob, Fonatur is a powerful governmental agency in Mexico, is it not? Have they done anything to address the violence in Guerrero? Or do they just set up shop, build the tourist infrastructure, and then skip town? I am aware of a significant project that they are undertaking in Huatulco. They literally carved out a canyon between the cruise ship terminal and the village for a one-kilometer pedestrian walkway that will be lined with tourist and residential buildings. They obviously have some serious pesos backing them up.

Fonatur does development and land sales, not public safety. They only exploit, not protect.

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by Tere @, Friday, June 03, 2022, 08:37 (33 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

For the same reasons, most of the combis are sitting this one out as well, so the shortage of combis is forcing more people to use taxis, which may also be why there seems to be a scarcity of taxis.

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by Eli @, Friday, June 03, 2022, 13:17 (33 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I always appreciate information from you, Rob, because it’s accurate. And I enjoy your sarcasm too!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, June 03, 2022, 13:44 (33 days ago) @ Eli

I always appreciate information from you, Rob, because it’s accurate. And I enjoy your sarcasm too!

I wish I could be more upbeat and reassuring, but this is simply part of what it's like to live in a place with no professional police force and where the political leaders can only simulate their jobs and hope that someone who knows what they're doing will send them help when they need it.

This is why for decades I've repeated here the local sentiment that we welcome the military in our region to help restore order, and we are extremely grateful for the presence of our local navy base.

Now it's a monster and will not obey...

by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Saturday, June 04, 2022, 09:00 (32 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Almost every US president manipulated the law in an attempt to eliminate their opponents. It's what political leaders do. The War on Drugs was--is--an attempt to remove such undesirables as peaceniks, non-capitalists and black people from the political discourse.

The US has created a multi-billion-dollar juggernaut of law enforcement agencies surrounding a list of "illicit" chemicals.

In Mexico, with US-provided weapons, and a US-provided drug market, the cartels filled that vacuum.

Problem is even if drugs were completely legalized tomorrow, not much would change. There was a sheriff who announced that even if cannabis were legal, he would still arrest people for it. Those enormous agencies like the DEA are too rich and powerful to die.

On this side of the border the same situation. The cartels have been allowed to become so rich and powerful--fueled by US money and weapons--that they are now simply part of the socio-political landscape. If or when legalization kills the US black market, the cartels will find something else to do. Clearly, they are already doing that.

Now, here's where I part company with most legalization advocates: Taxation. Taxes which single out things like alcohol are "sin taxes"; the idea--born of the Christian-driven alcohol prohibition--being that these things are sinful, and even though legal, partakers should still face some kind of punishment. Just make 'em pay a small fine up front.

Contemporarily, "legal and taxed" has become the mantra for legalization with advocates getting all giddy at the prospect of Colorado-like revenue streams.

Point of sale taxes are inherently regressive; they fall hardest on the poor. When something becomes unaffordable, a black market will develop to fill that need. When cigarettes cost 10-15 dollars a pack, people don't quit, they find other means. Which is how Eric Garner got shot for selling singles to people who can't afford a whole pack.

Which brings me to America's current gun problem. It sounds like a damn fine idea to ban assault rifles. But the lawmakers need to think long and hard about what kinds of black market might be created and how to deal with that.

Now it's a monster and will not obey...

by Yandosan, Saturday, June 04, 2022, 09:10 (32 days ago) @ mindpilot

"Problem is even if drugs were completely legalized tomorrow, not much would change. There was a sheriff who announced that even if cannabis were legal, he would still arrest people for it."


Reminds me of the Federal prohibition of marijuana which was still
going to be an excuse to cause grief to recreational smokers. So
no matter how many states decriminalized the weed, you still potentially suffered
Uncle Sam's wrath. Fortunately they ended their Prohibition a few weeks ago.

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by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Saturday, June 04, 2022, 10:45 (32 days ago) @ Yandosan

"Problem is even if drugs were completely legalized tomorrow, not much would change. There was a sheriff who announced that even if cannabis were legal, he would still arrest people for it."


Reminds me of the Federal prohibition of marijuana which was still
going to be an excuse to cause grief to recreational smokers. So
no matter how many states decriminalized the weed, you still potentially suffered
Uncle Sam's wrath. Fortunately they ended their Prohibition a few weeks ago.

from what I hear the illegal black market for cannabis is 3 times the size of the legal market and of course 1/3 the cost.
Where the real money is made, other than taxing agencies, is like my friend the inventor who has developed a miles ahead resin extracting device.
For further education consult 'bubble hash'

'Everybody Must Get Stoned...'

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by jay @, Saturday, June 04, 2022, 12:32 (32 days ago) @ mindpilot

these things are sinful, and even though legal, partakers should still face some kind of punishment. Just make 'em pay a small fine up front.

Taxation is used more for deterrence than punishment. In the 60's 45% of Americans smoked; today it's 15%, mostly due to the high costs of smoking. It seems that high taxes in this case are a pretty effective deterrent.

Which is how Eric Garner got shot for selling singles

For the record Eric Garner was strangled by a cop, not shot.

Now it's a monster and will not obey...

by El Fantasma, Saturday, June 04, 2022, 13:09 (32 days ago) @ jay

Someone always has to come along and kill an interesting post with facts.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Saturday, June 04, 2022, 14:24 (32 days ago) @ jay

:megusta:

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Humberto Romero
www.casaarcoiriszihuatanejo.com

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Sunday, June 05, 2022, 07:21 (31 days ago) @ jay

these things are sinful, and even though legal, partakers should still face some kind of punishment. Just make 'em pay a small fine up front.


Taxation is used more for deterrence than punishment. In the 60's 45% of Americans smoked; today it's 15%, mostly due to the high costs of smoking. It seems that high taxes in this case are a pretty effective deterrent.

Which is how Eric Garner got shot for selling singles


For the record Eric Garner was strangled by a cop, not shot.

Sorry...it's so easy to get the specifics of excessive force confused.


What you say is correct. A $10 pack of smokes is certainly a deterrent to a 14-year-old. however, I believe--as is the case with seatbelts--education has played a far greater role than taxes or fines.

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by hromero ⌂ @, Saturday, June 04, 2022, 14:23 (32 days ago) @ mindpilot

Your contention that taxes don't have an impact on consumption seems out of line with the evidence. Cigarettes have been taxed more severely than alcohol and their usage, in combination with education funded by those taxes, has decreased significantly in the U.S. over the past 50 years. Taxation, treatment and education have been far more effective than the "war on drugs" has ever been. Most of the well researched articles I have read acknowledge that legalizing drugs won't work overnight to eliminate organized crime but it has been shown that over the course of a couple of decades in tends to dramatically reduce their power. Do some reading about the mafia in the U.S. and their dramatic increase in power during prohibition and then subsequent decline in influence over the following decades after prohibition. They still exist and commit crimes but their power no longer overshadows that of law enforcement agencies.

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Humberto Romero
www.casaarcoiriszihuatanejo.com

Now it's a monster and will not obey...

by Ironwood @, Saturday, June 04, 2022, 21:23 (32 days ago) @ hromero

They (organized crime) still exist and commit crimes but their power no longer overshadows that of law enforcement agencies.


.....except in Mexico.

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Sunday, June 05, 2022, 07:13 (31 days ago) @ Ironwood

They (organized crime) still exist and commit crimes but their power no longer overshadows that of law enforcement agencies.

.....except in Mexico.

Which is kind of my point.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, June 05, 2022, 08:50 (31 days ago) @ Ironwood

They (organized crime) still exist and commit crimes but their power no longer overshadows that of law enforcement agencies.

.....except in Mexico.

Not true. If that were true we'd be living a different existence. Since the fall of the PRI from their "dictadura perfecta" Mexico has had to struggle to overcome the de facto institutionalized corruption that had been the foundation of PRI power. While under Calderón Mexico fell for the stupid proxy U.S. war on drugs, all it did was cut the heads off a hydra, and each successive series of heads has been more ruthless and violent, but nonetheless finding themselves competing with others similar, weakening themselves in the process. Under AMLO a different strategy has emerged, and it's no longer wasting time cutting off heads of a monster that grows 3 more each time but instead he's strengthened the federal police and military while coopting the people who would normally ally themselves with the monster. He remains one of the most popular heads of state Mexico has ever had in spite of all that has been thrown at him by the opposition. Zihuatanejo went from a terrified community 3 days ago to pretty much back to normal thanks to an effective response by the police and military whose presence has apparently stifled the ambitions of the gang of punks. We'll see what happens during the coming weeks, but from my downtown "heart of the community" perspective it sure looks like the government has more power than the criminals, except for the criminals in government, a different matter.

Now it's a monster and will not obey...

by Ironwood @, Sunday, June 05, 2022, 16:51 (31 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

They (organized crime) still exist and commit crimes but their power no longer overshadows that of law enforcement agencies.

.....except in Mexico.


Not true. If that were true we'd be living a different existence. Since the fall of the PRI from their "dictadura perfecta" Mexico has had to struggle to overcome the de facto institutionalized corruption that had been the foundation of PRI power. While under Calderón Mexico fell for the stupid proxy U.S. war on drugs, all it did was cut the heads off a hydra, and each successive series of heads has been more ruthless and violent, but nonetheless finding themselves competing with others similar, weakening themselves in the process. Under AMLO a different strategy has emerged, and it's no longer wasting time cutting off heads of a monster that grows 3 more each time but instead he's strengthened the federal police and military while coopting the people who would normally ally themselves with the monster. He remains one of the most popular heads of state Mexico has ever had in spite of all that has been thrown at him by the opposition. Zihuatanejo went from a terrified community 3 days ago to pretty much back to normal thanks to an effective response by the police and military whose presence has apparently stifled the ambitions of the gang of punks. We'll see what happens during the coming weeks, but from my downtown "heart of the community" perspective it sure looks like the government has more power than the criminals, except for the criminals in government, a different matter.

I guess we're talking about different kinds of power. I'm referring to raw on-the-plaza power. I think it was you that has stated, on a number of occasions, that the police in Mexico have been outgunned by the cartels.

It was interesting to read your comments yesterday to Ludwig Reynoso, reportedly Guerrero's Secretary-General, on his facile explanations for Zihua's recent crisis......Zihua's "psychosis" is the term he used. I don't recall if Guerrero is MORENA or PRI, but it didn't sound like you had much confidence in him or his government's response to Zihua's "psychosis".

I could post the Google translation of that story, if it would be of interest to readers.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, June 05, 2022, 17:31 (31 days ago) @ Ironwood

They (organized crime) still exist and commit crimes but their power no longer overshadows that of law enforcement agencies.

.....except in Mexico.


Not true. If that were true we'd be living a different existence. Since the fall of the PRI from their "dictadura perfecta" Mexico has had to struggle to overcome the de facto institutionalized corruption that had been the foundation of PRI power. While under Calderón Mexico fell for the stupid proxy U.S. war on drugs, all it did was cut the heads off a hydra, and each successive series of heads has been more ruthless and violent, but nonetheless finding themselves competing with others similar, weakening themselves in the process. Under AMLO a different strategy has emerged, and it's no longer wasting time cutting off heads of a monster that grows 3 more each time but instead he's strengthened the federal police and military while coopting the people who would normally ally themselves with the monster. He remains one of the most popular heads of state Mexico has ever had in spite of all that has been thrown at him by the opposition. Zihuatanejo went from a terrified community 3 days ago to pretty much back to normal thanks to an effective response by the police and military whose presence has apparently stifled the ambitions of the gang of punks. We'll see what happens during the coming weeks, but from my downtown "heart of the community" perspective it sure looks like the government has more power than the criminals, except for the criminals in government, a different matter.


I guess we're talking about different kinds of power. I'm referring to raw on-the-plaza power. I think it was you that has stated, on a number of occasions, that the police in Mexico have been outgunned by the cartels.

It was interesting to read your comments yesterday to Ludwig Reynoso, reportedly Guerrero's Secretary-General, on his facile explanations for Zihua's recent crisis......Zihua's "psychosis" is the term he used. I don't recall if Guerrero is MORENA or PRI, but it didn't sound like you had much confidence in him or his government's response to Zihua's "psychosis".

I could post the Google translation of that story, if it would be of interest to readers.

Yes, I scolded him for revealing the focus of an ongoing investigation, and not even addressing the matters that generated great concern among the local populace. Instead he seemed condescending and patronizing if not also out of touch (though it might just be poor journalism), but then he isn't here or from here, and he's either in Acapulco (the unofficial capital of Guerrero) or Chilpancingo. Guerrero is Morena and the local government is PRI. But it's deeper and more complicated than simple political parties. This is a historical problem, not one the result of anyone's current policy, but one for which the folks at the other end of the state don't have the knowledge, experience, urgency or concern to deal with properly without having a fire lit under their backside.

Now it's a monster and will not obey...

by hamish, Monday, June 06, 2022, 19:35 (30 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Thank god for you Rob. I admire your straight talk and the courage you display every day on this message board. Can you tell us what the authorities and military have done recently to deal with the most recent situation. I too am very thankful that the Mexican military has a significant presence in Z. No other institution in the local area seems to have the firepower or not have complete corruption within its command and control structure. As you say for historical reasons.

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by midalake @, Friday, June 03, 2022, 08:24 (33 days ago) @ Oeste Hermoso

(1) I have read elsewhere of the pohlease hassling tortilla vendors. What is that all about? (2) Significant shortage of taxis. My taxi drivers say there are not enough customers so many drivers are staying home or working elsewhere. Others tell me the cooperative is manipulating to increase prices. There can be strikes if the workers do not have an employer as the term is not strictly limited to lab/mgt disputes (hunger strikes, rent strikes etc). What is happening? Reducing supply to match demand or withdrawing of service to force increase in cost of service? ‘Labour market adjustment’ or ‘taxi strike’? And how does the burning of taxis come into the matter?

The Taxi's in Ixtapa-Z are the most Expensive in Guererro. Add Michoacan, and even more expensive than Guadalajara. They reap what they sow, especially when the local population cannot afford a ride.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Wednesday, June 08, 2022, 12:30 (28 days ago) @ Oeste Hermoso

Mexico News Daily has an article about the recent events:

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/tortilla-shops-schools-reopen-zihuatanejo/

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, June 08, 2022, 12:56 (28 days ago) @ Padrino

Mexico News Daily has an article about the recent events:

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/tortilla-shops-schools-reopen-zihuatanejo/

Once again, a damn shame to see The Mexico News Daily use our local misfortunes to promote their publisher's political propaganda.

"Abrazos, no balazos" is a simple enough concept. It means that the government does not intend to continue fighting the USA's proxy war for them. It does NOT mean that force won't be used to capture criminals, repel attacks or to prevent violence. But that's the context in which AMLO's detractors and the politically unsavvy continue using it in the same fashion as Faux Snooze promotes all their absurd propaganda to an increasingly dumbed down viewership who blindly falls for and regurgitates it.

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by Ironwood @, Wednesday, June 08, 2022, 13:16 (28 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Mexico News Daily has an article about the recent events:

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/tortilla-shops-schools-reopen-zihuatanejo/


Once again, a damn shame to see The Mexico News Daily use our local misfortunes to promote their publisher's political propaganda.

"Abrazos, no balazos" is a simple enough concept. It means that the government does not intend to continue fighting the USA's proxy war for them. It does NOT mean that force won't be used to capture criminals, repel attacks or to prevent violence. But that's the context in which AMLO's detractors and the politically unsavvy continue using it in the same fashion as Faux Snooze promotes all their absurd propaganda to an increasingly dumbed down viewership who blindly falls for and regurgitates it.

Who came up with "Abrazos, no balazos"? If it was the PRI or PAN, I suppose it's fair game in the nasty business of politics.
If, however, it was AMLO or one of his advisors, they've got to wear it.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, June 08, 2022, 14:12 (28 days ago) @ Ironwood

Mexico News Daily has an article about the recent events:

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/tortilla-shops-schools-reopen-zihuatanejo/


Once again, a damn shame to see The Mexico News Daily use our local misfortunes to promote their publisher's political propaganda.

"Abrazos, no balazos" is a simple enough concept. It means that the government does not intend to continue fighting the USA's proxy war for them. It does NOT mean that force won't be used to capture criminals, repel attacks or to prevent violence. But that's the context in which AMLO's detractors and the politically unsavvy continue using it in the same fashion as Faux Snooze promotes all their absurd propaganda to an increasingly dumbed down viewership who blindly falls for and regurgitates it.


Who came up with "Abrazos, no balazos"? If it was the PRI or PAN, I suppose it's fair game in the nasty business of politics.
If, however, it was AMLO or one of his advisors, they've got to wear it.

Okay, so everything I just said apparently went right over your head. Never mind...

So every misconstrued statement anyone ever said must remain misconstrued and the folks who said them must embroider them on the clothing they wear. That's basically what you're saying.

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by Ironwood @, Wednesday, June 08, 2022, 16:10 (28 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Mexico News Daily has an article about the recent events:

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/tortilla-shops-schools-reopen-zihuatanejo/


Once again, a damn shame to see The Mexico News Daily use our local misfortunes to promote their publisher's political propaganda.

"Abrazos, no balazos" is a simple enough concept. It means that the government does not intend to continue fighting the USA's proxy war for them. It does NOT mean that force won't be used to capture criminals, repel attacks or to prevent violence. But that's the context in which AMLO's detractors and the politically unsavvy continue using it in the same fashion as Faux Snooze promotes all their absurd propaganda to an increasingly dumbed down viewership who blindly falls for and regurgitates it.


Who came up with "Abrazos, no balazos"? If it was the PRI or PAN, I suppose it's fair game in the nasty business of politics.
If, however, it was AMLO or one of his advisors, they've got to wear it.


Okay, so everything I just said apparently went right over your head. Never mind...

So every misconstrued statement anyone ever said must remain misconstrued and the folks who said them must embroider them on the clothing they wear. That's basically what you're saying.

Ah, so AMLO's the one who wears it. If he's going to use a catchphrase or sound bite to encapsulate his government's response to a huge mess like Mexico's organized crime, corruption and cartel activity, let it be clear enough that it doesn't require defensive statements that "it doesn't mean what it clearly says" every time it's mentioned. That's all.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, June 08, 2022, 18:37 (28 days ago) @ Ironwood

Mexico News Daily has an article about the recent events:

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/tortilla-shops-schools-reopen-zihuatanejo/


Once again, a damn shame to see The Mexico News Daily use our local misfortunes to promote their publisher's political propaganda.

"Abrazos, no balazos" is a simple enough concept. It means that the government does not intend to continue fighting the USA's proxy war for them. It does NOT mean that force won't be used to capture criminals, repel attacks or to prevent violence. But that's the context in which AMLO's detractors and the politically unsavvy continue using it in the same fashion as Faux Snooze promotes all their absurd propaganda to an increasingly dumbed down viewership who blindly falls for and regurgitates it.


Who came up with "Abrazos, no balazos"? If it was the PRI or PAN, I suppose it's fair game in the nasty business of politics.
If, however, it was AMLO or one of his advisors, they've got to wear it.


Okay, so everything I just said apparently went right over your head. Never mind...

So every misconstrued statement anyone ever said must remain misconstrued and the folks who said them must embroider them on the clothing they wear. That's basically what you're saying.


Ah, so AMLO's the one who wears it. If he's going to use a catchphrase or sound bite to encapsulate his government's response to a huge mess like Mexico's organized crime, corruption and cartel activity, let it be clear enough that it doesn't require defensive statements that "it doesn't mean what it clearly says" every time it's mentioned. That's all.

It doesn't mean what the opposition and their pundits claim the way THEY use it, no. It means what the president said in the context in which he said it. Context and factuality MATTER. I get it that everyone in the world isn't even as smart as I am, and I'm just a flickering light bulb, but you surprise me sometimes. ;-)