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by Donna, Bucks County, PA, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 10:06 (15 days ago)

I have been renting the same condo for years, but for 2023 I have been asked to pay 50 USD more per night to run the AC in one bedroom. Is this reasonable?

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 10:17 (15 days ago) @ Donna
edited by Padrino, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 10:25

I have been renting the same condo for years, but for 2023 I have been asked to pay 50 USD more per night to run the AC in one bedroom. Is this reasonable?

US$50 or MXN$50? Fifty U.S. dollars or fifty Mexican pesos. Fifty pesos is reasonable. Fifty U.S. dollars is outrageous. Note that the $ is also used for pesos.

Point of information: Most reliable accounts state the $ was used for pesos before it was used for dollars. There are various histories of the origins of the use. Some say that when the U.S. adopted the $, it actually had two vertical lines through the S to differentiate it from the peso symbol. The $ with two vertical lines is far less common now.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 12:20 (15 days ago) @ Padrino

I agree. 50 pesos per night for AC use is not unreasonable, especially if it is not a new, inverter unit. 50 USD per night is simply a way to get you out of the condo so it can be rented for more and/or to someone else.

We have extremely efficient AC units and haven't had them on in over a year. Don't need AC!

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Saturday, June 25, 2022, 15:47 (10 days ago) @ Talley Ho
edited by jaui, Sunday, June 26, 2022, 01:24

@Donna, Bucks County, PA, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 10:06 (5 days ago)

I have been renting the same condo for years, but for 2023 I have been asked to pay 50 USD more per night to run the AC in one bedroom. Is this reasonable?

6_26_2022
No Donna, sounds like a major rip-off and abuse.
My thought would be that in a roundabout manner, the people are trying to get you out of your condo, by making it unaffordable.



" The majority of people here, MEXICANS from this region, neither need nor use A/C either. Neither they nor I consider the temps "inhumane".

I was not referring to the outdoor temperature, rather to a room(s) inside a residence that gets up to the high 30s, and lower 40s (mid 80°F - 110°F) is comfortable for the majority of people in the area, that they don't seem to mind those extremes, and that it promotes a good nights sleep, and thus, they don't "need" A/C to get relief from those extreme temps, that's your opinion.

Sleep experts indicate that a comfortable temperature is an important factor in getting a good nights sleep.
Suggested ranges I've read are approximately 68 -74°F, and certainly not in the 80°+ range much less over 100°F.

Additionally, another factor that could be why "the majority of people here, MEXICANS from this region" don't use A/C is the cost of both the unit, and the electric bill, they just can't afford it on the typical incomes workers receive, as simple as that.
Have you taken that into account with your comments against my post?
My CFE bimonthly bills jumped around 1,600 pesos more with the A/C usage, than I had without A/C.
So again, for many people on low incomes, that could be their food budget for the month, so they don't use A/C for economic reasons, more than any other reason I suspect, bottom line is they just can't afford it.

Finally, about "how mild the weather has been all year and especially this May and June, so I find your post somewhat amusing if not also a bit out of sync with local conditions. "
.... el detalle that you didn't take into account is that the temp INSIDE one's residence, does NOT necesarily coincide with the outdoor temp, as is the case where I rent, it could easily be 20°F higher than it is outdoors. No breeze enters.
So yes, perhaps the weather has been "mild" OUTDOORS, BUT inside that's not the case, and THAT is precisely what I percieve to be the "inhumane" temperature, for myself, and the need for A/C.


The ecologic issue you mentioned is a valid one, BUT it's separate topic, and was not a part of my discussion, or of the lead post in the thread.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, June 25, 2022, 18:17 (10 days ago) @ jaui

We have extremely efficient AC units and haven't had them on in over a year. Don't need AC! "


6_25_2022
@Talley Ho

There are some who (attempt) to sleep in temps in the upper 70s, & even a lot higher, and be Mr or Mrs. "tough guy/girl", and get buy with breeze fans. Some may accuse "gringos" to be wimps for not doing so, when those "gringos" prefer to get their rest in a more sleep-friendly temperature range, and thus use A/C. So be it for those folks.

Others may live in an area over the ocean, and are fortunate enough to usually get breezes, and as you say "Don't need A/C", lucky folks. The majority of people aren't blessed with those conditions.

I recently lived for 10 años in a "colonia popular" SIN "clima" (aka aire acondicionado).

That said, the point is that there many people who live in cement sweat boxes, that want to be comfortable and able to sleep well, so they use A/C. Should not blame them at all for doing so, IF they have that option available.

With our normal sunny & hot climate, my current rental easily gets up to the upper 80s minimum, and routinely up to 100°+ inside, for around 18+ hours per day.
While I do have A/C in the bedroom, the rest of the place gets to those inhumane temps I mentioned.

Yes, I certainly do feel that folks who can't acclimate here and MUST use A/C to sleep probably don't belong here because they're bringing here the same unsustainable overconsumptive U.S. lifestyle that's killing the planet.

You don't have to allude to me in such an indirect manner. My feelings won't be hurt, and I have no qualms about making my argument and holding my own.

The majority of people here, MEXICANS from this region, neither need nor use A/C either. Neither they nor I consider the temps "inhumane". My wife's family and I have lived here without electricity and running water, sleeping in hammocks at night and relying on their motion and any breezes to be comfortable. So we know what that's like.

Frankly my wife and I have commented about how mild the weather has been all year and especially this May and June, so I find your post somewhat amusing if not also a bit out of sync with local conditions, but I certainly understand where you're coming from. I simply believe people should live where they are comfortable with the local climate and where they need minimal consumption of energy to be comfortable. In my peculiar manner of thinking, a place like Las Vegas shouldn't even exist. It represents pretty much everything that's wrong with U.S. culture.

You can reason and argue with me all you want, but that is the way I have always felt about humans living on this precious planet we are unfortunately destroying with our collective ignorance and arrogance. It doesn't make me right or you wrong, it only means we have different points of view. Thanks for sharing yours.
Un saludo.

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by Casa Juan @, Sunday, June 26, 2022, 01:17 (10 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

careful architecture, making use of all natural assists like prevailing breezes, tall ceilings, white or light color exterior walls and landscaping that values sombra all help to reduce the need to use AC in the first place. I for one would not give up ceiling fans !

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Sunday, June 26, 2022, 14:31 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I simply believe people should live where they are comfortable with the local climate and where they need minimal consumption of energy to be comfortable. In my peculiar manner of thinking, a place like Las Vegas shouldn't even exist. It represents pretty much everything that's wrong with U.S. culture.


You can reason and argue with me all you want, but that is the way I have always felt about humans living on this precious planet we are unfortunately destroying with our collective ignorance and arrogance. It doesn't make me right or you wrong, it only means we have different points of view. Thanks for sharing yours.
Un saludo.

The problem is there is nothing any of us can do about it. The damage is done; and any minuscule improvement we make as individuals, is completely undone many times over with the next oil spill, or military action. We have been sold the idea that we as individuals can alter the course of climate change if we just buy an electric car, keep our house uncomfortably cold or hot, let our lawn die, and recycle everything, then making us feel guilty about it if we don't. Until major corporations and governments get serious about fixing climate change, we--here in Zihua--at least have a good perch from which to watch the world burn, and that, I'm afraid, is as good as it's gonna get.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Monday, June 27, 2022, 10:29 (9 days ago) @ mindpilot

Until major corporations and governments get serious about fixing climate change, we--here in Zihua--at least have a good perch from which to watch the world burn, and that, I'm afraid, is as good as it's gonna get.

Be ye joyful ... even after you have considered all the facts.

I disagree that all is hopeless. We will confront the climate change crisis and adapt, if only because it will be in our economic interests as well as our long-term well being. What frightens me is the political aspect. There is a sizable portion of the population for which climate change has become a political issue and a way to drive a wedge between competing groups. This is very scary.

Anything that you can do as an individual is not wasted, including contacting your erected representatives and letting them know how important this issue is to you.

(My apologies. This sounds like a public service advertisement. However, studies have shown that optimistic people are happier, wealthier, and live longer. Of course, the pessimists say that the optimists are just deluding themselves.)

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Monday, June 27, 2022, 11:44 (9 days ago) @ Padrino

Many of the senators, many of whom are in their 70’s, haven’t been “erected” in a very long time.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, June 26, 2022, 20:47 (9 days ago) @ jaui

And thanks for clearing up that your abode is unusually warm due to its situation and construction, as are way too many places built in the past few decades. Built either very cheaply or using architectural features that don't work in our warm tropical region. The few old homes left here, the older homes in Agua de Correa, Coacoyul and especially the old section of Petatlán all feature architectural styles that reflect what works here to keep a home refreshing and cool most of the year. Just because an architect uses palapa, adobe and exotic woods doesn't make a place comfortable. Light, sunshine and airflow all must be taken into account. But many new constructions make living without A/C nearly impossible. I get where you're coming from and didn't mean to sound critical of you. My apologies, amigo.

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Sunday, June 26, 2022, 23:08 (9 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
edited by jaui, Monday, June 27, 2022, 00:16

And thanks for clearing up that your abode is unusually warm due to its situation and construction, as are way too many places built in the past few decades. Built either very cheaply or using architectural features that don't work in our warm tropical region. The few old homes left here, the older homes in Agua de Correa, Coacoyul and especially the old section of Petatlán all feature architectural styles that reflect what works here to keep a home refreshing and cool most of the year. Just because an architect uses palapa, adobe and exotic woods doesn't make a place comfortable. Light, sunshine and airflow all must be taken into account. But many new constructions make living without A/C nearly impossible. I get where you're coming from and didn't mean to sound critical of you. My apologies, amigo. "


6_26_2022

@Z Rob

You're most welcome, "apologies" accepted :-D
I sincerely do most appreciate that you took your valuable time to take a 2nd look at my situation, and came to the conclusion you did as mentioned above, recognizing the variety of factors involved that affect the temperature inside one's abode.

It's logical, easy and really is not at all unreasonable to think that, if the weather outside is mild, cooler than usual, etc, that inside one's living space, it would accordingly reflect those actual weather conditions.
As you astutely evaluated & recognized that, NO, that is not necessarily the case, as is with my situation, as I described about the extraordinary and very extreme heat I have to deal with inside my abode, which really is intolerable.
IF I had know about that detail in advance, I would NOT have rented the place.
The landlady just said it was "warm", which fell way short of the actual truth.
I told her about the extreme heat temp, and suggested that they install an A/C unit. Unfortunately, she refuses to do that.

At any rate, besides the heat problem, I do like the place, & I'm trying to locate a portable room cooler so I can avoid the other option which is to move again. A tech said that taking into account the size of the room (5m x 9m), it would require un aire de 2 toneladas to adequately cool it down.

The owners, e.g. taking into account that this rental unit en la colonia turística de La Madera is usually rented to foreigners who demand and are rightfully entitled to a reasonable level of comfort, and for the price that they normally charge, aren't complying with what seems to be as their inherent obligation as owners of this class of rental property, to see to it that the renters are able to have a comfortable enjoyable humane room temperature in the unit, or at least have that option available.
If a tenant chooses not to use their A/C (assuming it has A/C) and "sweat it out" that's their business, but again, they most definitely should have the option to keep cool B-) inside the rental unit. What would your opinion be on that?

Saludos.

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 10:17 (15 days ago) @ Donna

$1500 a month to run air conditioning seems pretty unreasonable. I know that that use could put you in a higher tier of pricing, although I don’t know the rates there, that seems unreasonable.

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by midalake @, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 14:07 (14 days ago) @ Timmac

$1500 a month to run air conditioning seems pretty unreasonable. I know that that use could put you in a higher tier of pricing, although I don’t know the rates there, that seems unreasonable.

I know people who give 50kWh/day toward electric which covers 8 hours A/C night use. After that $1[usd] per kWh. I know some people have paid $50/day [usd] extra.

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by D-Loco, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 11:48 (15 days ago) @ Donna

That would be considered a very large increase by most standards. If you were getting some kind of great deal all along maybe not quite as large but for most budgets I would lean towards unreasonable.

Also if the owner is confident they can easily get this price on the market that may play a role in this.

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by Yandosan, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 11:53 (15 days ago) @ Donna

Get a big fan. 50 dollars rather than 50 dollars per day.

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by Ironwood @, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 15:52 (14 days ago) @ Yandosan

Get a big fan. 50 dollars rather than 50 dollars per day.

Interesting lengthy article in The Globe and Mail a few days ago about last June's "heat dome" in British Columbia, that drove temperatures here in our Okanagan city to 48C, (118F). Amidst lots of fascinating research was a bit about using fans.
Normal skin temperature is said to average around 35C. Tests have reportedly shown that using a fan to circulate air inside a room where the temperature is above skin temperature is counter-productive. It makes an individual FEEL cooler, but in fact is having the opposite effect.
Same for using "cooling centres" - like public buildings/arenas, etc. - for temporary relief: participants will FEEL better, at least temporarily, but repeated coolings and heating appear to be more harmful than simply remaining in the heat. The bottom-line advice appears to be: get outside, sit on the grass under a good shade tree, and drink lots of water.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 16:22 (14 days ago) @ Ironwood

In Zihua we always run the A/C in the bedroom for a couple of hours before bedtime to cool down the room and then sleep under a slow ceiling fan. Has worked well for 20 years. Something to keep in mind when using A/C: electricity is quite expensive and more so in the "better" neighborhoods.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 16:54 (14 days ago) @ frostbite

After being here for 5 years, we find that the electricity costs are less than half of what they were in Southern California. There, we had no heating or cooling.

Here, we have made sure that literally every light bulb is LED, and all of the appliances are inverter. Yes, they cost more, but pay off quickly.

As an example, our large lap pool, washer and dryer and water pump are all on the same meter. They use 4 kWh per week. Really. The rest of the house, all three stories, with great lighting, two refrigerators and lots of ceiling fans and computers among other things, use almost 10 kWh per day.

Electricity here is not expensive, just use it wisely as everyone should everywhere!

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by Ironwood @, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 19:18 (14 days ago) @ Talley Ho

A few years.....maybe 6 or 7 years ago..... we looked at a long-term
(5-6 months) rental of a studio condo on the beach at Las Palmas in Ixtapa. The monthly "ask" was out of our range, but I recall the condo council president (a gringo) telling us that electricity could run from 3000 - 6000 pesos per month, depending entirely on A/C use.
Maybe he was trying to scare us off.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 20:39 (14 days ago) @ Ironwood

Absolutely no question. Our numbers are very current and accurate.

There is nothing wrong with owners wanting to get the best price that they can, however, why not just charge what you want instead of adding on "extras" like a fee for AC?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 08:44 (14 days ago) @ Ironwood

A few years.....maybe 6 or 7 years ago..... we looked at a long-term
(5-6 months) rental of a studio condo on the beach at Las Palmas in Ixtapa. The monthly "ask" was out of our range, but I recall the condo council president (a gringo) telling us that electricity could run from 3000 - 6000 pesos per month, depending entirely on A/C use.
Maybe he was trying to scare us off.

Running A/C all day and essentially living like a gringo with dishwasher, washing machine, dryer, microwave, etc. you can easily run up a 6 thousand peso bill or more every 2 months.

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by midalake @, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 09:17 (14 days ago) @ Talley Ho

After being here for 5 years, we find that the electricity costs are less than half of what they were in Southern California. There, we had no heating or cooling.

Here, we have made sure that literally every light bulb is LED, and all of the appliances are inverter. Yes, they cost more, but pay off quickly.

As an example, our large lap pool, washer and dryer and water pump are all on the same meter. They use 4 kWh per week. Really. The rest of the house, all three stories, with great lighting, two refrigerators and lots of ceiling fans and computers among other things, use almost 10 kWh per day.

Electricity here is not expensive, just use it wisely as everyone should everywhere!

You clearly are not using Airconditioning and only using 10Kwh/day. But that is not what this conversation is about.
Just pray you never find out how much electric costs when you are put in the DAC rate.
It will make what you paid for electric in California look like nothing!

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by EDISS, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 09:19 (14 days ago) @ midalake

Go for Solar!

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by midalake @, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 09:48 (14 days ago) @ EDISS

Go for Solar!

Since we live in a building with 177 other unit owners it would be easier to break-up the CFE cartel.

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 20:23 (13 days ago) @ EDISS

Go for Solar!

What's the life expectancy of solar panels at the beach?

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by EDISS, Thursday, June 23, 2022, 08:28 (13 days ago) @ mindpilot

We only install a solar panel brand which comes with a salt mist certificate and structures which have a anti-corrosion guarantee...they both have a 25 year warranty. There is no point using cheaper panels / structures as just a few years down the line they will be of no use to you...

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Thursday, June 23, 2022, 12:21 (13 days ago) @ EDISS

:megusta:

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So what are the actual rates?

by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 10:09 (14 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Here in Steilacoom, Washington we pay 8¢ per kwh for the first 1000 kwh, 8.5¢ for the next 1000 kwh, and 9¢ per kwh for everything over 2000 kwh. We usually use just over 2000 kwh/month unless it is really hot or cold. I don’t think we’ve ever gone above 3000 kwh, but I don’t watch it very closely. Our monthly utility bill is around $275, but this includes water and sewer plus $25 a month for the privilege of being connected.

So what are the actual rates?

by midalake @, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 10:24 (14 days ago) @ Timmac
edited by midalake, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 10:33

Here in Steilacoom, Washington we pay 8¢ per kwh for the first 1000 kwh, 8.5¢ for the next 1000 kwh, and 9¢ per kwh for everything over 2000 kwh. We usually use just over 2000 kwh/month unless it is really hot or cold. I don’t think we’ve ever gone above 3000 kwh, but I don’t watch it very closely. Our monthly utility bill is around $275, but this includes water and sewer plus $25 a month for the privilege of being connected.

If you are in the DAC rate [and you would be with the amount of power you use]

It is an easy calculation: By the time all the taxes and fees are lumped on your bill the electric rate would be .45 cents [usd] a Killowatt hour.

Welcome to the DAC rate......

OH, and your other welcome package to the DAC rate? Once you have a bill in the DAC rate it will take 6 months [three billing cycles] of not being in the DAC rate for the rate to be readjusted lower.

So what are the actual rates?

by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 10:47 (14 days ago) @ midalake

Oh, and your other welcome package to the DAC rate? Once you have a bill in the DAC rate it will take 6 months [three billing cycles] of not being in the DAC rate for the rate to be readjusted lower.

Now, that is an incentive to reduce your electricity usage! From a public administration perspective, it does makes sense. Utilities must plan for peak usage. How they normally do this is to have spare capacity on hand to fire up when usage peaks. However, that spare capacity is usually very expensive for them, typically smaller gas-fired generators. They want to keep the peak usage as low as possible.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 13:03 (14 days ago) @ Timmac

We're on a well, septic system and solar, so our connection fee to Northwestern Energy is just $4.20 per month. They don't pay us for the excess we put back in their system, so I looked into getting a generator that turns on automatically when the power goes out, so I can wave a middle finger in their general direction, but they are quite expensive.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 13:27 (13 days ago) @ Timmac
edited by Talley Ho, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 13:33

The first 250 kWh cost .806 pesos

The second 200 cost .932 pesos each

The next level costs 3.21 pesos each I don't know how many you get at that rate.

Taxes of 16% are added to the total, along with a couple of other fees.

There is a subsidy for about 6 months a year because we live in area 1B and it's considered hot.

Once you exceed 400 kWh a month on average over 12 months, you enter the DAC rate.

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by midalake @, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 21:18 (13 days ago) @ Talley Ho
edited by midalake, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 22:41

The first 250 kWh cost .806 pesos

The second 200 cost .932 pesos each

The next level costs 3.21 pesos each I don't know how many you get at that rate.

Taxes of 16% are added to the total, along with a couple of other fees.

There is a subsidy for about 6 months a year because we live in area 1B and it's considered hot.

Your cost of Electric in the DAC rates is either not included or incorrect.

I believe the "subsidy" is rejected when you go to DAC.

Nothing is prorated over 12 months. One overuse bill can put you in this rate.

Several years back I paid a $16,000 peso electric bill for a one month guest that decided to use 100kwh/a day.

You are correct though, we are Tarriff B1 right now and our electric rate is .806pesos/kWh. Mexico is great if you don't use more than a few Led lights. ;-)

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Thursday, June 23, 2022, 11:49 (13 days ago) @ midalake

Convection Oven

by Little Guy @, Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 22:50 (14 days ago) @ Ironwood

Interesting lengthy article in The Globe and Mail a few days ago about last June's "heat dome" in British Columbia, that drove temperatures here in our Okanagan city to 48C, (118F). Amidst lots of fascinating research was a bit about using fans.

When I want to cook food more slowly in the oven I use the “normal” setting.

When I want to cook food more quickly in the oven, I “turn on the fan”, i.e., I use the convection oven setting.

I would think there would be a similar effect for dinner and for humans.

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by Sunlight Dancer @, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 00:22 (14 days ago) @ Donna

I have been renting the same condo for years, but for 2023 I have been asked to pay 50 USD more per night to run the AC in one bedroom. Is this reasonable?

$50 USD per day/night is not reasonable UNLESS you ran the AC 24 X 7 when you rented the place before and left the owner with horrendous electric bills to pay.

If that was not the case, for whatever reason the owner may be using the daily $50 AC fee to encourage you to look elsewhere for lodging next year.

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 07:11 (14 days ago) @ Sunlight Dancer

In our notes to renters we explained the high cost of electricity and asked that they only use the A/C in the bedrooms for a few hours before bed time and then switch to the ceiling fan. While most were in agreement, a few years ago 2 couples renting the place for 2 weeks apparently left the A/C on 24/7, because the electricity bill was more than what they had paid in rent. Fortunately, that was the only problem we ever had with renters in many years.

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by EDISS, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 08:29 (14 days ago) @ frostbite

Our one and only electricity supplier here (the CFE) puts up their rates on a yearly (and sometime more than once a year) basis, sometimes by 15%, but there have been times when more...

If you pay more than 1,000 pesos on your bi-monthly bill, by installing solar panels, you could save about 90% of what you pay CFE.
Plus, contribute to our environment and if you rent places out, pass on the saving to your clients...

Give me a shout if you would like a quote - email me or WhatsApp me directly! (+52 755 106 6552 / ventas1.ediss@gmail.com).

Mariana Best
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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 13:06 (14 days ago) @ EDISS

Thanks for the offer, but we finally sold the house. When we built the place, I wanted to install solar panels, but our partner refused. We're on solar here in Montana and love it.

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by Sunlight Dancer @, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 16:02 (13 days ago) @ frostbite

a few years ago 2 couples renting the place for 2 weeks apparently left the A/C on 24/7, because the electricity bill was more than what they had paid in rent.

The "oh yeah? We're not paying for running the AC 24/7 so screw you!" nature of some renters is mind boggling.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 17:54 (13 days ago) @ Sunlight Dancer

a few years ago 2 couples renting the place for 2 weeks apparently left the A/C on 24/7, because the electricity bill was more than what they had paid in rent.


The "oh yeah? We're not paying for running the AC 24/7 so screw you!" nature of some renters is mind boggling.

They're on vacation. They don't worry 'bout a damn thing! :stirpot:

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 20:18 (13 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

:megusta:

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Thursday, June 23, 2022, 10:20 (13 days ago) @ Donna

What is so strange about this entire thread is that the original poster, Donna, never responded. Donna, if you are still out there, did you ever discover if the charge was for US$50 dollars or MXN$50 pesos? I, for one, am curious.

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by jay @, Thursday, June 23, 2022, 12:27 (13 days ago) @ Padrino

Her original post said this:

I have been renting the same condo for years, but for 2023 I have been asked to pay 50 USD...

So I guess it's USD.

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by Yandosan, Thursday, June 23, 2022, 12:50 (13 days ago) @ jay

Think about how many people have been bamboozled over the years due to the
same symbol ($) being used for the dollar and the Peso.

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by Donna, Bucks County, PA, Thursday, June 23, 2022, 16:22 (12 days ago) @ Padrino

I clearly stated USD

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Thursday, June 23, 2022, 16:29 (12 days ago) @ Donna

Unfortunately, it appears that your long time hosts don't want you to return.

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by midalake @, Thursday, June 23, 2022, 16:35 (12 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Unfortunately, it appears that your long time hosts don't want you to return.

OR

The owners do not want to be stuffed in the DAC rate for the next 12 months after a renter leaves.

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by Ironwood @, Thursday, June 23, 2022, 21:08 (12 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Unfortunately, it appears that your long time hosts don't want you to return.

Sure sounds like it. $50 USD per day ?? 1000 pesos per day? 30,000 pesos per month?? Just for the A/C? That owner should be charged with usury....or something.
The last place we stayed in Zihua, this past spring, from mid-Feb. to early April, we paid a daily equivalent of 575 pesos.....yes, $28.75 USD.... for a large, 1-room, with 1 king and 1 dbl. bed, little kitchenette with two-burner gas hotplate, fridge and microwave, cable TV, a great ceiling fan AND A/C, on a very quiet sidestreet, excellent security, 2 minute walk from Plaza Kioto and 14 minute walk from Soriana. No pool....who needs a pool when you have La Ropa?
We're shocked at what some folks are willing to pay for lodging in Zihua.

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by Sunlight Dancer @, Sunday, June 26, 2022, 03:09 (10 days ago) @ Ironwood

Sure sounds like it. $50 USD per day ?? 1000 pesos per day? 30,000 pesos per month?? Just for the A/C? That owner should be charged with usury....or something.

Why? The owner stated clearly and in advance what the terms will be if this particular renter wants to book again. To me, the terms indicate that she and her party burned the owner with a huge electric bill in the past.

The renters can either agree to the terms or they can look for lodging elsewhere. Perhaps next time they rent, they will consider the amount of time they run the AC.

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by Donna, Bucks County, PA, Sunday, June 26, 2022, 16:08 (9 days ago) @ Sunlight Dancer

I did use the AC more last year, because the owner remodeled and removed all of the screens. The first time I left the glass doors in the bedroom open, a bat came into the room. So I used the AC in the bedroom, only for a few hours each night. If that constitutes burning the owner with a huge electric bill, I guess I did. I am only trying to find out if 50 USD per night is a reasonable price. As it turns out, it’s probably outrageous.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Sunday, June 26, 2022, 16:40 (9 days ago) @ Donna

It's definitely outrageous.

However, there are a couple of other scenarios too. Your rent possibly hasn't changed in years and it was low. Then, someone else rented the condo before or after you and really used the AC, putting the electricity use into the DAC rate. It's also possible that due to the potential difficulty in communicating, that it is simply a way to raise the rent and offer an easy explanation.

No matter what, hopefully you can find a place that you like at a price that you like too.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, June 26, 2022, 17:53 (9 days ago) @ Donna

I did use the AC more last year, because the owner remodeled and removed all of the screens. The first time I left the glass doors in the bedroom open, a bat came into the room. So I used the AC in the bedroom, only for a few hours each night. If that constitutes burning the owner with a huge electric bill, I guess I did. I am only trying to find out if 50 USD per night is a reasonable price. As it turns out, it’s probably outrageous.

Yes, US$50 a day extra for A/C is certainly outrageous. I think communicating with the property owner that you'll be careful with the A/C (maybe even offering an additional DEPOSIT that counts towards your final month) may resolve the situation as long as you make it clear that otherwise you'll stay elsewhere and they'll lose a renter.

I hate to see our visitors or our locals taken advantage of, and in this case it looks like it's you getting the short end. I hope you're able to resolve it amicably and satisfactorily.

¡Suerte y saludos!

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Sunday, June 26, 2022, 20:23 (9 days ago) @ Donna

I did use the AC more last year, because the owner remodeled and removed all of the screens. The first time I left the glass doors in the bedroom open, a bat came into the room. So I used the AC in the bedroom, only for a few hours each night. If that constitutes burning the owner with a huge electric bill, I guess I did. I am only trying to find out if 50 USD per night is a reasonable price. As it turns out, it’s probably outrageous "


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@Donna

Several Z Board users have already provided good answers to your question in the lead post of this thread.

What I wanted to add / ask you about Donna, is:

1. Was the CFE / electricity / A/C included in your rent? (my impression is that it was)

2. Is the option available for you to pay the CFE bill separately from the rent, as it arrives once every two months?

At my rental, when the CFE bill arrives, the landlady brings it to me, and I pay the amount of the recibo, done deal, works out well.
Personally, I like that arrangement best, (when it can be done) since it's fair for both the tenant and the owner.

The owner here also has a 4,000 peso "security deposit" of mine, that I imagine would be applied to the CFE bill (or other expenses) IF need be, as a very knowledgeable contributor to your post correctly noted that a CFE bill could get to be pretty steep, depending on your A/C consumption habits, as well as what appliances one uses, (apart from the A/C.)

Regards :-D

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by midalake @, Monday, June 27, 2022, 08:22 (9 days ago) @ Donna

I did use the AC more last year, because the owner remodeled and removed all of the screens. The first time I left the glass doors in the bedroom open, a bat came into the room. So I used the AC in the bedroom, only for a few hours each night. If that constitutes burning the owner with a huge electric bill, I guess I did. I am only trying to find out if 50 USD per night is a reasonable price. As it turns out, it’s probably outrageous.

I Think others have had a good idea. Talk with the owner. A great solution would be to offer to pay the electric bill during your stay. When you arrive a meter reading can be done. Then you can also follow along on your use. The CFE bill is straight forward on Kwh's used. As a guide anything over 50kWh/a day would be fairly heavy use. When we stay at our place the use is about 12kWh/a day without air-conditioning.

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Monday, June 27, 2022, 11:46 (9 days ago) @ midalake

Except if that bill bumps the owner into a higher rate, the higher rate persists long after the renter has gone.

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by midalake @, Monday, June 27, 2022, 20:52 (8 days ago) @ Timmac

Except if that bill bumps the owner into a higher rate, the higher rate persists long after the renter has gone.

Oh YES> No doubt!

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by Ironwood @, Sunday, June 26, 2022, 23:34 (9 days ago) @ Sunlight Dancer

Sure sounds like it. $50 USD per day ?? 1000 pesos per day? 30,000 pesos per month?? Just for the A/C? That owner should be charged with usury....or something.


Why? The owner stated clearly and in advance what the terms will be if this particular renter wants to book again. To me, the terms indicate that she and her party burned the owner with a huge electric bill in the past.

The renters can either agree to the terms or they can look for lodging elsewhere. Perhaps next time they rent, they will consider the amount of time they run the AC.

Why?? Because attempting to charge a renter 30,000 pesos per month EXTRA, just for the A/C, is criminal, that's why.
And of course, the renter has the option to look elsewhere and tell the owner where to shove it. That's what I'd do.

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by Sunlight Dancer @, Monday, June 27, 2022, 16:17 (8 days ago) @ Ironwood

Sure sounds like it. $50 USD per day ?? 1000 pesos per day? 30,000 pesos per month?? Just for the A/C? That owner should be charged with usury....or something.


Why? The owner stated clearly and in advance what the terms will be if this particular renter wants to book again. To me, the terms indicate that she and her party burned the owner with a huge electric bill in the past.

Why?? Because attempting to charge a renter 30,000 pesos per month EXTRA, just for the A/C, is criminal, that's why.
And of course, the renter has the option to look elsewhere and tell the owner where to shove it. That's what I'd do.

So we've moved from "usery" to "criminal". Sheesh.

The owner obviously does not want this renter in his property again. If the owner is attempting to charge $50 USD across the board for all rentals, the market will sort itself out.

There are hundreds of units available to rent in Zihuatanejo. Pick one.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Monday, June 27, 2022, 19:13 (8 days ago) @ Sunlight Dancer

So we've moved from "usery" to "criminal". Sheesh.

If we have told you once, we have told you a million times, don't use hyperbole!

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by mosesk @, Ojai, CA, USA, Thursday, June 23, 2022, 20:09 (12 days ago) @ Donna

I clearly stated USD

I perceive the near unanimous verdict is that an extra $50USD/day is insane, preposterous, unreasonable, reprehensible and at best comically ludicrous. But just for giggles would you be willing to reveal any other details of the rental such as monthly rate, amenities, special features, privileges, etc...so we have a fuller perspective from which to express our strong feelings, hypotheses and advice...?

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Thursday, June 23, 2022, 20:48 (12 days ago) @ mosesk

:megusta: