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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, June 30, 2022, 20:54 (49 days ago)


https://youtu.be/9nmiaDA1fwo

Health officials for Guerrero report 18 currently active cases of Covid-19 in Zihuatanejo, 6 in Petatlán, 491 in Acapulco, and 766 for the entire state. It's spreading. Time to take precautions and to mask up around others. Hopefully we'll hear info about some booster shots soon.

Personally I think it's a damn shame to see legitimate complaints posted here and in other public forums by our repeat visitors go totally ignored by our municipal authorities and hoteleros with the result that many former visitors, including property owners, stop coming to Zihuatanejo. People with pets, people who like to sit on the beach in their own chairs with their own umbrellas and their own food and drink, people who enjoy sitting around a small campfire on the beach singing, drinking and dancing now go elsewhere thanks to the stupid draconian Blue Flag rules. All of these things so many visitors and locals used to enjoy doing we can no longer do on the beaches where we've enjoyed ourselves for so many years. Same with the problems at the Palma Real golf course. For years readers here have been stating why they use the golf course less and less, yet year after year those complaints have fallen on deaf ears. The result is less golfers and less income for the golf course. Now a so-called developers has bought it and lost even more golfers by raising prices. Raising prices when demand is down sounds like something someone seeking to launder money would do because they don't care if they actually lose a little money, right? Because nothing else makes sense. :ponder:

Summer has certainly arrived. Today was one of those classic hot and humid days, though not too hot, but the shade was the place to be most of the day. Folks were out enjoying their morning walk around the waterfront of our almost glass-calm bay whose water certainly is inviting. No sleeping under the sheets lately, and no need for hot water in the shower. ;-)

It's still looking like we may have a hurricane brush by our coast next Tuesday. Looks like it might hug the coast from Nicaragua all the way to Manzanillo. This is the type of storm that's been predicted to be more common for us this year. Keep an eye on our local weather.

Want to get married in paradise or renew your vows? Looking for ideas for a party or special event? Isabel Pais can make all your wedding and special event arrangements made for visitors to our area, both foreigners and nationals.
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¡Cuidemos nuestro patrimonio!
#NoBlueFlagEnNuestrasPlayas
#PreservemosPlayaManzanillo

An overnight visitor left her footprints... and something else. ;-)
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by mexicoman @, Playa Del Carmen, Friday, July 01, 2022, 07:21 (49 days ago) @ ZihuaRob


https://youtu.be/9nmiaDA1fwo

Health officials for Guerrero report 18 currently active cases of Covid-19 in Zihuatanejo, 6 in Petatlán, 491 in Acapulco, and 766 for the entire state. It's spreading. Time to take precautions and to mask up around others. Hopefully we'll hear info about some booster shots soon.

Personally I think it's a damn shame to see legitimate complaints posted here and in other public forums by our repeat visitors go totally ignored by our municipal authorities and hoteleros with the result that many former visitors, including property owners, stop coming to Zihuatanejo. People with pets, people who like to sit on the beach in their own chairs with their own umbrellas and their own food and drink, people who enjoy sitting around a small campfire on the beach singing, drinking and dancing now go elsewhere thanks to the stupid draconian Blue Flag rules. All of these things so many visitors and locals used to enjoy doing we can no longer do on the beaches where we've enjoyed ourselves for so many years. Same with the problems at the Palma Real golf course. For years readers here have been stating why they use the golf course less and less, yet year after year those complaints have fallen on deaf ears. The result is less golfers and less income for the golf course. Now a so-called developers has bought it and lost even more golfers by raising prices. Raising prices when demand is down sounds like something someone seeking to launder money would do because they don't care if they actually lose a little money, right? Because nothing else makes sense. :ponder:

Summer has certainly arrived. Today was one of those classic hot and humid days, though not too hot, but the shade was the place to be most of the day. Folks were out enjoying their morning walk around the waterfront of our almost glass-calm bay whose water certainly is inviting. No sleeping under the sheets lately, and no need for hot water in the shower. ;-)

It's still looking like we may have a hurricane brush by our coast next Tuesday. Looks like it might hug the coast from Nicaragua all the way to Manzanillo. This is the type of storm that's been predicted to be more common for us this year. Keep an eye on our local weather.

Want to get married in paradise or renew your vows? Looking for ideas for a party or special event? Isabel Pais can make all your wedding and special event arrangements made for visitors to our area, both foreigners and nationals.
Specialty Services in Zihuatanejo, Ixtapa, Troncones & Barra de Potosí

¡Cuidemos nuestro patrimonio!
#NoBlueFlagEnNuestrasPlayas
#PreservemosPlayaManzanillo

An overnight visitor left her footprints... and something else. ;-)
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Why no chairs, umbrellas and food or drink?

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Friday, July 01, 2022, 08:21 (49 days ago) @ mexicoman

Why no chairs, umbrellas and food or drink?

Search for "Blue Flag" in the upper right hand corner of this site and you will see several posts regarding the controversy over this municipal regulation.

Rob's quick history of the origin of the Blue Flag controversy

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, July 01, 2022, 09:01 (48 days ago) @ mexicoman

Why no chairs, umbrellas and food or drink?

They are part of the Blue Flag regulations for keeping the beaches "certified clean". It's a farce to get the accompanying Blue Flag budget to use to pay political favors, but soft heads fall for it believing it's the only way we can keep our beaches clean. European travel agents use the Blue Flag designation to send clients to places in the Mediterranean and Asia. It has no significance for our tourists, and after over 10 years absolutely NO ONE has offered evidence, much less proof, that we've received one single additional tourist for having the Blue Flag, much less enough tourists to justify its cost and the draconian restrictions that keep many of us from enjoying our beaches as we used to for decades. But I have proof we've lost and continue losing tourists from this policy.

Notice restaurants and hotels can offer chairs, food, drink and even play loud music, but individuals may not. What a scam! But since it forces beachgoers into restaurants and hotels they otherwise might not patronize, the restaurants and hotels don't complain even though it keeps pet owners away. The thing about pet owners is that people who travel with their pets tend to be middle and upper-middle class and have money to spend on vacation. They are tourists we need, and we aren't so overrun with moneyed tourists that we can afford to be running anyone off, but since politicians don't make their living from tourism they couldn't care less about the effects of their bad policies as long as they can convince enough people to believe their crap.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Friday, July 01, 2022, 11:13 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Here on la Ropa we are allowed to take our chairs, umbrellas and lunches to the beach and have since December. We are out there regularly.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, July 01, 2022, 11:36 (48 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Here on la Ropa we are allowed to take our chairs, umbrellas and lunches to the beach and have since December. We are out there regularly.

Glad to hear they are making exceptions after several elderly people suffered sunstrokes during the last holiday season. But not on Playa El Palmar. Have you seen Memo with his chair and umbrella? He used to sit on the beach right past La Perla. I believe he returned home right before Semana Santa as he usually does.

But you can't take a bottle of beer, wine or tequila. No cheap styrofoam coolers or cups. No music that anyone else can hear. And no more full moon parties except at a local hotel or restaurant, and apparently they can play music as loud as they want.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Friday, July 01, 2022, 12:25 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Memo was definitely here, and has been gone for quite a while. As you know, the days all kind of run together!!

We take our lunch out in a soft cooler, and get around the alcohol ban by mixing cocktails and putting them in plastic bottles. We have also been known to (not a fan of it) take beer in cans and putting them in sleeves. Haven't had them say a word to us.

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by Ironwood @, Friday, July 01, 2022, 20:56 (48 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Memo was definitely here, and has been gone for quite a while. As you know, the days all kind of run together!!

We take our lunch out in a soft cooler, and get around the alcohol ban by mixing cocktails and putting them in plastic bottles. We have also been known to (not a fan of it) take beer in cans and putting them in sleeves. Haven't had them say a word to us.

We were at La Ropa 5 or 6 days/week from late February through early April, and Memo was not on La Ropa once during that period. He may have relented after we left on 4 April.....hope it wasn't us. When we ran into him at Joe's he told us he wasn't staying at La Madera either.

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by Zihuateco @, Friday, July 01, 2022, 12:29 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

We were on Playa Palmar 3X's a week during the month of May with our umbrella, chairs, wagon and ice chest and never encountered any problems.

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by mexicoman @, Playa Del Carmen, Friday, July 01, 2022, 13:34 (48 days ago) @ Zihuateco

We are sitting on a Blue Flag beach at this moment with our beach cart, cooler, food, chairs and umbrella. The only restriction here is no glass bottles or styrofoam coolers. I believe your problem is with Zihuatanejo not the Blue Flag organization. They even offer cup like ashtrays for smokers to keep the filters off the beautiful white sand here in Playa Del Carmen. We lived in Zihua 2018-2020 and only had restrictions during the worst of the pandemic. Rob I believe you are mixing your restrictions for whatever reason it is that you enjoy cranking people up. It's irresponsible.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, July 01, 2022, 14:11 (48 days ago) @ mexicoman

We are sitting on a Blue Flag beach at this moment with our beach cart, cooler, food, chairs and umbrella. The only restriction here is no glass bottles or styrofoam coolers. I believe your problem is with Zihuatanejo not the Blue Flag organization. They even offer cup like ashtrays for smokers to keep the filters off the beautiful white sand here in Playa Del Carmen. We lived in Zihua 2018-2020 and only had restrictions during the worst of the pandemic. Rob I believe you are mixing your restrictions for whatever reason it is that you enjoy cranking people up. It's irresponsible.

I don't care what you believe (and what a shitty way to express your errant suspicions). I know what I hear people complain about. Apparently it's true that foreigners are being allowed to do things that people who look Mexican are not. I didn't want to believe that. Apparently I can't keep up with the changing restrictions from one season to the next. The last time I went to a Blue Flagged beach in the afternoon no chairs, umbrellas or coolers were visible or allowed. No private chairs or umbrellas are visible on any of the webcams. I can go on the Zihuatanejo Ixtapa Facebook page this very instant and see comments from tourists and local tour guides complaining that no food, chairs or umbrellas are allowed (at least by people who look like Mexicans) at any of the Blue Flag beaches. But thanks for telling me I'm irresponsible for trying to help people. You're welcome to take over and run this show any time you're ready.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, July 01, 2022, 14:35 (48 days ago) @ Zihuateco

We were on Playa Palmar 3X's a week during the month of May with our umbrella, chairs, wagon and ice chest and never encountered any problems.

Apparently you are an exception, and from what I understand on Playa El Palmar your cooler can only have 4 beers, no more, and no other alcoholic beverages.

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Blue flag beach requirements.

by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Friday, July 01, 2022, 15:35 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Just for fun I looked at the Blue Flag site. Here are some of the requirements.

ENVIRONMEMTAL EDUCATION ACTIVITIES MUST BE OFFERED AND PROMOTED TO BEACH USERS.

I don’t think this is being done.

INFORMATIIN ON BATHING WATER QUALITY IS DISPLAYED.

It implies that this should be done at least monthly.

REGULATIONS REGARDING BEACH USE ARE DISPLAYED. ALONG WITH A MAP OF FACILITIES

I’ve not seen this.

WASTE DISPOSAL BINS AVAILABLE IN ADEQUATE NUMBERS. RECYCLING BINS TOO.

I’ve only seen a few

AN ADEQUATE NUMBER OF RESTROOMS MUST BE PROVIDED

Are there any?

A MINIMUM OF 2 LIFEGUARDS EVERY 200 METERS.

I’ve never seen any.

FIRST AID EQUIPMENT IS AVAILABLE ON THE BEACH.

None that I am aware of.


There are lots criteria that are not being met,so theoretically their certification could be pulled. Doubt this is likly, since the blue flag folks make their $$ by certifying beaches. I look at them like who’s who in America. The only thing you need to do to be in who’s who is to pay them I”ve been “nominated” to be one of the “Top Doctors in America.” To be “elected” to the “honor” I just have write them a check. This is largely a scam folks…

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Blue flag beach requirements.

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Friday, July 01, 2022, 16:52 (48 days ago) @ Timmac

When the Blue Flag Certification was first being discussed for Playa la Ropa, I read all about it and was very confident that they would never get it. Right. No, they don't meet many of the criteria, but undoubtedly, it's only paying the fees that matter.

The water quality reports are posted monthly, on the same board that provides a map, in the alley that has the Mercadito de Artesanias. There are two restrooms at the inland end of it, 10 pesos each that are posted to be available 9 to 5, but aren't. Sometimes there are trash and recycling bins, but right now, only one set, same location as above, and only put out occasionally. At times there are up to three sets. Periodically there is one lifeguard at the same location. There is a life ring at the front of Embarc.

That's it.

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Blue flag beach requirements.

by mexicoman @, Playa Del Carmen, Friday, July 01, 2022, 17:05 (48 days ago) @ Talley Ho

When the Blue Flag Certification was first being discussed for Playa la Ropa, I read all about it and was very confident that they would never get it. Right. No, they don't meet many of the criteria, but undoubtedly, it's only paying the fees that matter.

The water quality reports are posted monthly, on the same board that provides a map, in the alley that has the Mercadito de Artesanias. There are two restrooms at the inland end of it, 10 pesos each that are posted to be available 9 to 5, but aren't. Sometimes there are trash and recycling bins, but right now, only one set, same location as above, and only put out occasionally. At times there are up to three sets. Periodically there is one lifeguard at the same location. There is a life ring at the front of Embarc.

That's it.

ZIHUATANEJO... end of story

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by Zihuateco @, Friday, July 01, 2022, 16:48 (48 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

The key is "where" you access the beach.

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by mexicoman @, Playa Del Carmen, Friday, July 01, 2022, 17:06 (48 days ago) @ Zihuateco

The key is "where" you access the beach.

ZIHUATANEJO end of story

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by Casa Juan @, Friday, July 01, 2022, 20:06 (48 days ago) @ mexicoman

why do you waste your time and that of others if you have now found nirvana away from Zihua?

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by mexicoman @, Playa Del Carmen, Saturday, July 02, 2022, 08:24 (48 days ago) @ Casa Juan

why do you waste your time and that of others if you have now found nirvana away from Zihua?

You missed the point.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego/Rosarito, Saturday, July 02, 2022, 10:21 (47 days ago) @ mexicoman

why do you waste your time and that of others if you have now found nirvana away from Zihua?


You missed the point.

My apologies. So did I. Would you please explain in more detail your point?

"Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood." -- Franklin Covey, The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People

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by mexicoman @, Playa Del Carmen, Saturday, July 02, 2022, 14:52 (47 days ago) @ Padrino

why do you waste your time and that of others if you have now found nirvana away from Zihua?


You missed the point.


My apologies. So did I. Would you please explain in more detail your point?

"Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood." -- Franklin Covey, The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People

I was replying to a post by Rob where he was explaining the "draconian" Blue Flag beach rules. He lumped a lot of rules together that have nothing to do with Blue Flag regulations. Either the powers that be in Zihua are making up rules from which someone benefits or Rob is making up rules just to stir up the issue; driving away his precious tourist dollars by saying that there are no chairs, umbrellas, coolers, food or drink allowed on Blue Flag beaches. That's nonsense. I mentioned in my post that I was sitting on a Blue Flag beach in Playa Del Carmen while writing my post. No such rules here, just no glass bottles (take a tip from Tally Ho & put your tequila in a plastic container) no styrofoam coolers and plenty of showers, bathrooms and multiple trash and recycling containers. Casa Juan seems to be annoyed that I now live in Playa Del Carmen. I didn't mention nirvana he did. Odd. We tried Zihua for 2 years. It was not for us. We have lived in Mexico for 11 years so I believe I am entitled to an opinion. Although the Zihua "true believers" tend to take offense to anything that is not Zihua. Sorry I got a bit wordy.

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by Lalo @, Saturday, July 02, 2022, 21:11 (47 days ago) @ mexicoman

My mileage is similar to yours. Spent last winter is Ziuha and there appeared to be two sets of rules, one Blue flag an other more like local rules. They appeared to flag locals more often and styrofoam was a no no. I travelled discretely and was never stopped. Umbrellas and chairs were starting to be allowed around Christmas.