Incident Outside of the Airport

by ajsan, Friday, February 04, 2011, 09:23 (2448 days ago)

I took my son to the airport to rebook his weather related cancelled flight back to the states. We decided to walk out of the airport and catch a cab back to our condo. I waited outside of the tienda while he went inside to purchase something to drink. While I'm waiting, I notice several tents along side of the building occupied by 4 men and 4 vehicles. I also noticed a police vehicle in the back of the same parking lot. As I was standing at the side of the road, a cab came by and, assuming correctly that I needed a ride back to town, signaled me to cross the road and wait there. I signaled back "OK." After my son and I crossed the road, one of the men from the tent walked over to us and asked us if we needed a ride. I said no, that I had already made arrangements for a taxi. He told us that we wouldn't be able to do that. Just then the taxi arrived. The driver and the other man got into a brief but heated discussion. Not wanting to get in the middle of a nasty situation, I told the taxi driver that we were going to go with the other man. The taxi driver wasn't happy and sped off. On the way to the car in the parking area the man tells us that it's illegal for a taxi to pick us up there and take us back to town. He then pointed to the police car in the lot and tells us it's a 500 pesos fine for the taxis if they get caught doing so. The implications were quite clear. We got into the car for the ride back. I immediately notice that the cars were all vehicles operated by "Terrestre". So,apparently Terrestre is going to cause problems for all of us who try to use this "alternative" method of returning to Zihua and evidently have the support of the police in doing so.

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Incident Outside of the Airport

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, February 04, 2011, 09:45 (2448 days ago) @ ajsan

There was just a meeting at the ayuntamiento about public transportation problems such as this. I'm real sorry to hear that you backed down and let the monopoly once again get away with ripping off people who don't want to use their services. I can only guess you're an easy mark at poker, too. ;-)

The consumer ALWAYS has a choice!

How do you think airport employees get to and from the airport? They take taxis and buses. Unfortunately, there is a mindset among taxi unions and street beggars that tourists and visitors from the USA & Canada are rich and so it's okay to prey upon them.

I will continue to recommend that folks who don't want to pay the excessive monopoly rates simply walk off the airport property where the monopoly certainly has no authority to tell folks that they must use their service.

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by Harry, Friday, February 04, 2011, 10:08 (2448 days ago) @ ZihuaRob


I will continue to recommend that folks who don't want to pay the excessive monopoly rates simply walk off the airport property where the monopoly certainly has no authority to tell folks that they must use their service.

It's like about 100 pesos difference to do the airport guys as opposed to the others.

Don't get me wrong, I've walked over to Abarottes Andy's my last two trips, but it's Not worth it to me to get into or between a local labour/biz scrap at the beginning of my trip TOMMOROW over the price of a couple of bar drinks.

Just sayin.'

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Friday, February 04, 2011, 11:34 (2448 days ago) @ Harry

I have to agree with ya Harry!

As a tourist/vacationer is is far and away my job to insert myself into local issues IMO.

Where I to do so, I would make sure that I was wearing the appropriate badging!

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Incident Outside of the Airport

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, February 04, 2011, 12:22 (2448 days ago) @ Labrat

It's hardly a local issue to be denied the freedom of choosing the mode of transportation you prefer. It's called robbery in every tourist resort area that I've ever lived to do what is being done to our tourists. The folks who prey upon tourists count on your timidity, ignorance and fear. It's up to you if you want to give them what they want, but doing so only emboldens them and others who would coerce you to give up your money for whatever scheme they can dream up to separate you from it.

La Guerra de Taxi

by Harry, Friday, February 04, 2011, 13:36 (2448 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

It's hardly a local issue to be denied the freedom of choosing the mode of transportation you prefer. It's called robbery in every tourist resort area that I've ever lived .

With respect, after much preparation, expense, and a full day's continental travel not all of us are keen to play consumer advocate the moment we land in a different country, with another culture, language, customs.

Every airport that I've ever been through has had some kind of payoff scheme for local ground transportation. I suppose one could rationalize that that is also a contribution to the economy of running a civic airport. Here the $$ money goes into an airport operation/expansion fund, in Z. perhaps too, with no doubt pieces skimmed off here or there.

It's a vulnerable moment to be sure, and I'd rather pay the bit more than have hassles in my face that I could otherwise avoid, moments after landing.

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La Guerra de Taxi

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, February 04, 2011, 14:14 (2448 days ago) @ Harry

You're ignoring the part where ajsan went off the airport property. For folks who don't take that extra step, no problem, but for folks who insist on having a choice, they shouldn't allow themselves to be taken advantage of due to a lack of information, that's why I'm trying to help inform them.

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by Labrat ⌂ @, The Roosterfish Foundation, Friday, February 04, 2011, 13:38 (2448 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I understand your point, but from here it is just no different than me having to pay the taxi I take up here an Airport Access Fee. No getting around it at all up here, you pay the fee or talk to the cop.

That said, a guy here in the lab had an interesting point. If you are someone that thinks that a Picket Line should never be crossed, then you better not bitch about a Unionized Taxi Service whatever the source.

I kind of agree with him, after seeing some of the union thugs and their antics before NWA went away.

Keith

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, February 04, 2011, 14:18 (2448 days ago) @ Labrat

Like I told Harry, that's all fine for folks that don't bother to walk outside the airport gates, but off the airport property there is no airport transportation monopoly, there is a choice. Informed people should be able to make the choices they want for themselves. It has nothing to do with crossing picket lines if you decide not to do business with the business that employs the union.

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It goes beyond this...

by Hunter-MX ⌂ @, Troncones, Gro. Mexico, Friday, February 04, 2011, 12:40 (2448 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

The taxi mafias effect much more. I am unable to pick up passengers for my tours at many locations due to blockades and embezzlement from these people. How does it look to have a vehicle full of tourists anxious to learn about Mexico and their first experience is to be surrounded by cab drivers threatening their safety?

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It goes beyond this...

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, February 04, 2011, 14:23 (2448 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

Don't know if you saw this or not.

Buscan que transportistas no afecten más al turismo

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It goes beyond this...

by Hunter-MX ⌂ @, Troncones, Gro. Mexico, Friday, February 04, 2011, 20:19 (2448 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Yes I saw it, nice they are at least talking I guess but that is all it is for now...

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It goes beyond this...

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, February 04, 2011, 20:41 (2448 days ago) @ Hunter-MX

They've had these meetings before. Each time with profuse promises to avoid repetitions. Apparently there was an incident that happened on the 22nd of January at the Dorado Pacífico that was all over the local news yesterday. (You know how that thing is with Mexican time.)

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by ajsan, Friday, February 04, 2011, 13:39 (2448 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

There were two factors why I took the road of least resistance. First, we had a very limited time to get my son back to the condo, pack his bag and get back to the airport. Second, I was concerned about retribution toward the taxi driver. I didn't want to put him at risk, either from the Terrestre guys or the cop they had with them. And, yes I'm a lousy poker player. I only gamble when I know the odds are in my favor!!

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by Craig aka the cruiseship guy, Saturday, February 05, 2011, 08:30 (2447 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Even though it hurts me to agree with Rob he has a good point here. Go to Cabo or Cancun and see what the taxi prices are there. This is just the tip of the iceburg. Do you want to start paying $10 to go from La Ropa to downtown or $30 to go from Zihua to Ixtapa? Last 2 times I got a ride before we got out of the airport parking lot. This is just good info to know what to do. Same as when I rent a car in Cancun or Cabo. If you get pulled over don't pay the bribe, they will give up and just give you a warning.

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???

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, February 05, 2011, 09:18 (2447 days ago) @ Craig aka the cruiseship guy

Even though it hurts me to agree with Rob...

What'd I do?

???

by Craig aka the cruiseship guy, Sunday, February 06, 2011, 15:39 (2446 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Smoke one for me to make the hurt go away.

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by JeffMN ⌂ @, Minneapolis MN USA, Friday, February 04, 2011, 10:11 (2448 days ago) @ ajsan

We sensed the squeeze on our arrival yesterday. We opted for a colectivo, saving, I think, $13. Checked in with the captain outside and waited for someone to join us. After 20 minutes, as dozens of people happily took off in their taxis, I reminded him we were still waiting. Even after the last passenger from our plane had left, the guy made us wait. We thought about caving in and paying the difference for a cab, but decided not to let him prevail. It took 35 minutes, but we got our ride -- with a very nice, friendly driver. He got a nice tip for the difference in fare he might have received for our cheaper voucher.

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In this case, depends on what your time is worth

by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Friday, February 04, 2011, 11:27 (2448 days ago) @ JeffMN

If you look at saving $13 and spending 35 minutes to do it, it works out to "spending" around $22/hour to wait. Not a bad savings, but at the same time I think I'd rather get to where I was going sooner. Doesn't take me all that long to get there, probably around 12.5 hours from the time I walk out my front door, but by the time I walk out of the airport, I'm anxious to get to the travel "finish line" ASAP.

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In this case, depends on what your time is worth

by JeffMN ⌂ @, Minneapolis MN USA, Friday, February 04, 2011, 18:00 (2448 days ago) @ Timmac

I'm thinking our satisfaction is worth something.

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by Fran @, Evanston, IL, Friday, February 04, 2011, 11:58 (2448 days ago) @ JeffMN

I have gotten the feeling that the ratio of taxis to colectivos may be manipulated. When we ask about colectivos in February, we invariably get the message that it's a long (very long) wait and that we should take a taxi.

However, when we have arrived in December, there is a whole fleet of collectivo vans waiting and many fewer taxis. People were being encouraged to take colectivos.

I suspected that they lay off taxi drivers in slow season and transport more people per driver. I think it may be profit motive plain and simple. Maybe I'm overly suspicious but I am forming that opinion nonetheless.

Recogize it for what it is---

by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas, Friday, February 04, 2011, 11:02 (2448 days ago) @ ajsan

First, the area just outside the airport, then to the "Y" to 200 that comes out at the Pemex and then to the main 200 intersection West of Cocoyul. Before long the monopoly will "own" what they want and all with the blessing of the local authorities who are bribed to "lay off" or even worse to make police presence possible. It is a part of the the culture that we really fail to understand or accpt.

Closely akin to this tactic is the Taxi Mafia that "own" all departing passengers from the Villa Mexicana/Tides/Paty's/Elvira street. I would much to prefer to take a taxi of my own chossing when departing those areas but I am not given a choice (and my wife can't walk up past the Mafia) but thechoice doesn't exist as the Mafia blocks any taaxis departing the area with paying passengers.

Would I take an alternate to the monopoly? Sure, always have when I can. Does it make a difference? I doubt it but I do get a certain sense of satisfaction from doing so.

Recogize it for what it is---

by 1deltagirl, Friday, February 04, 2011, 12:07 (2448 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

When we arrive in a couple weeks as a group of ten, my thought was to grab a suburban (for 8) and an extra taxi to get to our lodging. Do you think that's the best course of action?

Recogize it for what it is---

by Kim in Wa, Friday, February 04, 2011, 12:17 (2448 days ago) @ 1deltagirl

Yes!

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Recogize it for what it is---

by Walt, Friday, February 04, 2011, 14:12 (2448 days ago) @ 1deltagirl

With three people we always take a taxi. With less I take the collectivo or walk across and take a bus. That is not practial unless you only have carry-ons.
Walt

bus stop from Airport

by redwinefarms, Saturday, February 05, 2011, 22:39 (2447 days ago) @ Walt

I was not aware that there was a bus stop at and/or by the airport, where is it located and how far is it from the terminal?

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bus stop from Airport

by LadyM in Zihua @, Zihuatanejo, Mexico, Sunday, February 06, 2011, 08:00 (2446 days ago) @ redwinefarms

The bus stop is for a small collectivo that takes workers to and from the airport and in between. If you have much luggage it is not the kind of bus that can accommodate luggage unless it is on your lap or between your feet on the floor. Also they do not go directly to hotels. If I was coming for the first time, I would stick to something with less hassle.

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