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Bob Dylan - Things Have Changed

by Johnny Briefcase @, Monday, July 25, 2016, 01:55 (3764 days ago)

Okay Gang - On the topic of violent crime in The Z area - since my "poo poo " posts, I have received a number of emails off post suggesting that the situation in the Z area has very recently [since March] changed dramatically. There are no media accounts to support this; but the suggestion is that the bad guys have been able to suppress the news. I trust the people that have contacted me privately and I now believe the THINGS HAVE CHANGED. It won't change my plans to visit Z; but I will be sure to keep my head up and my stick on the ice. My apologies to those I wrote off as alarmists. ...JB

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, July 25, 2016, 09:09 (3764 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase

Okay Gang - On the topic of violent crime in The Z area - since my "poo poo " posts, I have received a number of emails off post suggesting that the situation in the Z area has very recently [since March] changed dramatically. There are no media accounts to support this; but the suggestion is that the bad guys have been able to suppress the news. I trust the people that have contacted me privately and I now believe the THINGS HAVE CHANGED. It won't change my plans to visit Z; but I will be sure to keep my head up and my stick on the ice. My apologies to those I wrote off as alarmists. ...JB

No one is suppressing the news. You can READ ALL ABOUT IT on my NEWS page. If there is something specific you think is worth discussing let's do so. But I take exception to having fearmongers who don't understand our local problems scare away potential tourists because they are our bread and butter. The average civilian is in much more danger of being shot or killed by deranged nutcases in the USA than here in Mexico.

What's changed? The cucaracha effect. When police crack down on criminals in one area they scurry off to another. The wreak havoc on their way to somewhere else.

What has changed? Since Bush stupidly allowed the ban on assault weapons to expire local authorities often find themselves outgunned.

What has changed? Some of our nice visitors have actually helped squatter settlements remain where they are by funding their "schools", which only serve to meet a requisite for getting a squatters' community "regularized", meaning lawbreakers get title to the lands they stole. These communities are where our local criminal elements find fertile ground for recruiting more criminals. Thanks for that.

What has changed? Since Felipe Calderón decided to fight the USA's proxy "War On Drugs" for Uncle Sam here in Mexican territory we are once again reminded of the same lessons supposedly learned (but apparently forgotten) by U.S. citizens and lawmakers that the War On Drugs is a failure and a counterproductive policy whose only "achievements" have been to empower violent organized criminals and increase the price of recreational but stupidly banned substances for over 20 million U.S. consumers who prefer a little something else besides alcohol, one of the most deadliest drugs of all. Recently a major gang leader was arrested locally, now the fun begins to see who takes his place and controls his "territory", a scenario repeated over and over ad nauseum, yet still after decades upon decades of the exact same results, U.S. lawmakers are no closer to resolving the problem than they were 50 years ago. Friggin' mind boggling!

What has changed? Now everyone with internet access can find news they never heard about before.

Like I said before, back when most of you all were discovering Zihuatanejo-Ixtapa for the first time, including back when Ixtapa was being built and even during its so-called golden years, terrible things were still happening to locals and the people in the sierra. It used to be the government was the main enemy. At least our state government is attempting to legalize the production of heroin in order to remove te biggest chunk of income from the most violent organized criminals. But we all know it's only a baby step in the right direction. Same with legalizing pot.

If you aren't involved in the local trade of stupidly banned substances, then you aren't a target for the type of violence making headlines.

Meanwhile, tens of thousands of visitors currently here with their families are having the best vacations ever.

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by upnortnick, Monday, July 25, 2016, 10:10 (3764 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Quote from "Mexico Travel Warning in Perspective".

With 25.4 million US citizens visiting Mexico per year it means the murder rate of US tourists in Mexico is a minuscule 0.39 per 100,000 visitors. To put that in perspective you are 5x more likely to be murdered by a family member, at home.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, July 25, 2016, 10:22 (3764 days ago) @ upnortnick

Quote from "Mexico Travel Warning in Perspective".

With 25.4 million US citizens visiting Mexico per year it means the murder rate of US tourists in Mexico is a minuscule 0.39 per 100,000 visitors. To put that in perspective you are 5x more likely to be murdered by a family member, at home.

Yes, perspective is indeed important.

This today from one of my former hometowns:
Lehigh HS star among 2 dead, 17 shot outside Fort Myers nightclub

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by katherine @, Monday, July 25, 2016, 10:56 (3764 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase

I have been told the same thing by 30-year residents of Ziha. Especially car-jackings of National tourists. Not exactly welcoming!

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by Purplehaze, Monday, July 25, 2016, 12:04 (3764 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase

I have been travelling to Z for about fifteen years and while I have experienced only the warmth and friendliness of the locals it seems that there has been an increase in unfortunate incidents over the years. There also seems to be a lot more concern among the locals that this is a problem that negatively affects their livelihood. The Mexicans I meet seem to be hardworking honest people. That being said I will be totally honest in saying that the trend in Z is reducing the appeal of this destination on my travel list. In the frozen North I don't like even seeing guns and having someone shot that was a criminal shot by another criminal doesn't make it less horrific for me. This current situation with the roadblocks makes it appear that the rule of law is not in a healthy state as well. I am truly sorry that the honest hardworking people of Mexico who comprise the vast majority suffer because of this but I am just being honest regarding my perceptions and I think I would be considered a more adventurous kind of traveler.
I know the problems are complex and largely due to absolutely dismal politicians and I wish I could offer some kind of solution but it is way beyond me. It appears the only people who could do anything are the politicians and I am not going to hold my breath.
Que lastima!

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by MrChristopher, Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA, Monday, July 25, 2016, 12:46 (3764 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase

We have been coming to Zihua 4 weeks a year for a number of years. I would consider myself to be a more adventurous traveler as well. We love the people there and have built some awesome long term relationships with a number of locals. I have never felt even the least bit threatened while I was there. We don't get drunk in Centro, we don't wander around at all hours of the night, we act as if we would when we are home in the Midwest. That being said, I never put myself in a position to be struck by a wayward bullet in the middle of the day at home. As my facebook feed shows violent act after violent act in the middle of broad daylight, it concerns me. The risk I might take for myself, I am not willing to take with my teenage daughter( who loves it in Zihu) or my 75 year old father whom I am considering bringing for a couple of weeks this year. If all of this recent activity has been going on regularly for the last 10 years, I must have certainly been blind to it all. I hope it does lessen, so I don't have to consider finding a new place to feed my soul from.

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by Purplehaze, Monday, July 25, 2016, 12:56 (3764 days ago) @ MrChristopher

My hope as well

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by Cluttrbustr ⌂ @, Troncones, MX, Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 07:52 (3762 days ago) @ MrChristopher

With exception of the killing at the Mercado - the killings in broad daylight that you refer to all seem to be in drug centric areas that tourists don't go to.

I have been traveling to Mexico for nearly 20 years and to Zihua/Troncones for 15 of them. I have never felt threatened while I'm there and quite frankly, don't think about crime while I'm there. I don't mind seeing the police riding around in their pick up trucks holding their guns - it's part of the culture.

I don't venture outside of the tourist area. I don't go to bars. I am back on hotel property by 9pm (in fact last year, while in Zihua, we didn't leave the hotel property except to go to the mercado in the morning for provisions and to go out for dinner.) I leave my "good stuff" at home and dress down while there. I don't rely on taxis except for airport transfers and the drive to Troncones.

Yes, I am concerned about what's happening there. Zihua symbolizes paradise and I forget that it's a city in a very corrupt state and just like other places, has it's problems. The killings are targeted & mostly related to the drug trade - unlike ISIS. So as long as you are not part of the problem, you will not be a target. With ISIS, we are all targets.

I am still actively looking for property North of Zihuatanejo to retire.

ps - I am going to Chicago in 2 weeks for a quick weekend getaway and to catch a game at Wrigley Field....I know not to got to the south side or west side of the city.

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by MrChristopher, Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA, Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 08:20 (3762 days ago) @ Cluttrbustr

You make some solid points. There have certainly been more incidents downtown than I am used to seeing other than the Mercado, that were not in drug areas. I am just sad I am having to rethink my travel plans and retirement plans. I hope they can get a handle on the violence.

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by Mexalberta @, Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 09:38 (3762 days ago) @ MrChristopher

We are in Bucerias now and have decided to come here in November rather than our regular Ixtapa condo
We are not sure why, but we are, perhaps fear, perhaps logic, perhaps, just because
We will return to Ixtapa in Feb/March

As a side note owners here are shocked when I ask if the rent is in pesos or USD
They say this is Mexico of course it is pesos,you are Cdn why would you consider renting in US
We pay cdn in Ixtapa but most don't
I guess the greed has not arrived here yet or never will

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by MrChristopher, Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA, Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 10:51 (3762 days ago) @ Mexalberta

We were thinking November and then January in Z.
So you would recommend Bucerios then as a destination? I'm not familiar with that area.

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by Mexalberta @, Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 12:18 (3762 days ago) @ MrChristopher

We love both locations equally
But they so different !
Easy has its own character, we have spent a lot of time in the Bucerias area and have returned after eight years and noticed positive changes, we look forward to our return to Ixtapa as well.
With PV being the number 29 destination in Mexico after Cancun it appears this area is getting more attention from the authorities
People from the UK are being attracted with the demise of Turkey and Egypt holiday destinations
There are two kinds of marketing, positive and negative and Zihua/ Ixtapa is currently on the negative side according to Brits , Canadians, Americans and Mexicans we have met on this trip

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by Mexalberta @, Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 12:49 (3762 days ago) @ Mexalberta

dam auto fill
my post should have read number 2 tourist destination after Cancun
also easy should have been each

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by katherine @, Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 08:28 (3762 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase

Regardless of who is being targeted, hearing gunfire half a block from your house is upsetting. And I can only imagine how upsetting it is to see someone gunned down as you are heading into the Mercado. As always, it is our Mexican friends and neighbors who suffer the most. None of this will stop me from spending time in a place I love, but it will make me more wary.