A Cartel boffin claims that drug violence is often timed so that it will make the evening news. Is there any truth in this ? .....JB
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-mexico-drug-cartels-commit-violence-545-pm-2016-7
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by midalake
, Friday, August 12, 2016, 13:58 (3746 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase
A Cartel boffin claims that drug violence is often timed so that it will make the evening news. Is there any truth in this ? .....JB
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-mexico-drug-cartels-commit-violence-545-pm-2016-7
Mexico sells it's news papers by the back page............So what do you think?
D
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by rojo, Friday, August 12, 2016, 17:20 (3746 days ago) @ midalake
Sunday nite lots of shooting in front of the old La Mordida, two dead. At 500 today about 150 - 200 shots again and car in front of La Mordida shot up and someone inside. One woman shot and taken out of red car, looks like someone else in the shot up car. Either the authorities do something or the tourism in Zihua is DEAD. The politicos better do something instead of just filling their pockets and keeping the dogs off the beach
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by rojo, Friday, August 12, 2016, 17:33 (3746 days ago) @ rojo
The boys in blue showed their competance, it only took them 25 minutes to arrive at the scene
Right now in Zihuatanejo stay home.
by OlsenMN, Friday, August 12, 2016, 17:54 (3746 days ago) @ rojo
Sunday nite lots of shooting in front of the old La Mordida, two dead. At 500 today about 150 - 200 shots again and car in front of La Mordida shot up and someone inside. One woman shot and taken out of red car, looks like someone else in the shot up car. Either the authorities do something or the tourism in Zihua is DEAD. The politicos better do something instead of just filling their pockets and keeping the dogs off the beach
If you are on Facebook go to Despertar de la Costa where they are live after the shooting.https://www.facebook.com/despertar.delacosta.3/?fref=ts
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by katherine
, Friday, August 12, 2016, 19:05 (3746 days ago) @ rojo
Those were elderly women caught in the crossfire. One dead, one rushed to hospital. Friends of a friends mother. Elderly women. Innocents. Caught in the crossfire. Enough!!!
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by Mexalberta
, Friday, August 12, 2016, 18:05 (3746 days ago) @ midalake
As I said the other day, the era of Escobar I being relived in Mexico not Colombia
Time for the DEA and Blackhawks
When it comes to Givernment in most nations, any idea is new idea
Stay safe
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by katherine
, Friday, August 12, 2016, 18:35 (3746 days ago) @ Mexalberta
Two elderly women caught in the crossfire today. They were in a jeep. One dead, one rushed to the hospital. Both were friends of friends. We were enjoying a Friday happy hour with friends when she got the phone call and rushed off. Too close to home. I cannot stay here. Pobre pueblo.
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by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, August 12, 2016, 18:43 (3746 days ago) @ Mexalberta
As I said the other day, the era of Escobar I being relived in Mexico not Colombia
Time for the DEA and Blackhawks
When it comes to Givernment in most nations, any idea is new idea
Stay safe
No, it's NOT time for the DEA or blackhawks. The friggin' DEA is the problem! The draconian policies of the USA that classify pot and heroin in the same category would be laughable if it weren't causing hundreds of thousands of dead, injured and displaced throughout Mexico as well as Central and South America. The sheer stupidity of insisting on prolonging a policy that has long been proven failed and out of touch with reality only shows the insanity that permeates like a cancer the minds of people and governments that promote it.
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Rob- much preferred your comments on Facebook
by OlsenMN, Friday, August 12, 2016, 18:46 (3746 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
Rob Whitehead Ya están enterados los turistas extranjeros de este suceso. Adiós temporada alta. El cambio que la gente decidió. ¿Se acuerdan de los turistas extranjeros, señores gobernantes? Les gusta caminar el Paseo de Pescador que está en condiciones deplorables. También les gusta caminar Playa La Ropa con sus mascotas. Pero el gobierno municipal pone más esfuerzo para hostigarlos por llevar sus mascotas a Playa La Ropa que pone para parar el cáncer que está matando a Zihuatanejo. Con los verdaderos criminales el gobierno parece ni querer decir ni hacer nada, pero con unos turistas viejitos adinerados y educados qué valientes son, de véras. #PobrePueblo
They are already aware the foreign tourists of this event. Goodbye high season. The change that the people decided. Do you remember the foreign tourists, gentlemen rulers? They like to walk the walk of fisherman who is in deplorable conditions. They also like walking beach clothes with their pets. But the municipal government puts more effort to harass them for bringing their pets to beach clothes that puts to stop the cancer that is killing zihuatanejo. With the real criminals, the government seems not wanting to say or do anything, but with a few tourists wealthy and educated people for how brave they are, really. #Pobrepueblo
Rob- much preferred your comments on Facebook
by K&B
, Friday, August 12, 2016, 19:00 (3746 days ago) @ OlsenMN
When I read Rob's posting on Facebook, I had some hope fthat maybe he is done insulting the USA and possibly will start focusing on his own backyard . But if wishes was fishes......
Rob- much preferred your comments on Facebook
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, August 12, 2016, 19:49 (3746 days ago) @ K&B
When I read Rob's posting on Facebook, I had some hope fthat maybe he is done insulting the USA and possibly will start focusing on his own backyard . But if wishes was fishes......
"Insulting the USA". Please point out to me where I insulted the USA. Otherwise apologize. I'll wait.
What do YOU call a failed policy that costs hundreds of thousands of lives inside and beyond U.S. borders? Are narco shootouts common in your neighborhood? Because even here in lawless Guerrero they aren't common in my neighborhood. And we have no doubt where the underlying problem begins.
Rob- much preferred your comments on Facebook
by OlsenMN, Friday, August 12, 2016, 19:56 (3746 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
Are narco shootouts common in your neighborhood? Because even here in lawless Guerrero they aren't common in my neighborhood. And we have no doubt where the underlying problem begins.
For the last six months they have been common in your neighborhood! And whatever the underlying problem may or may not be, the big problem is the lack of response locally. And you know it. You post about it on FB but here, no. I think this is the thread you should get going because bullets will get more response than dogs.
Rob- much preferred your comments on Facebook
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, August 12, 2016, 20:18 (3746 days ago) @ OlsenMN
Are narco shootouts common in your neighborhood? Because even here in lawless Guerrero they aren't common in my neighborhood. And we have no doubt where the underlying problem begins.
For the last six months they have been common in your neighborhood! And whatever the underlying problem may or may not be, the big problem is the lack of response locally. And you know it. You post about it on FB but here, no. I think this is the thread you should get going because bullets will get more response than dogs.
Pile on why don't you? No problem.
The fact that we're having this discussion instead of simply blowing it off demonstrates quite clearly that shootouts are NOT common here, and my neighbors and I are not accustomed to them as you'll notice by the comments on the Facebook posts you already referred to.
If you've lived here for any length of time and paid attention to local, state and national news then you should know Mexico is clearly overwhelmed by the growing power of the narco trade at every level. Mexico will never have the resources of the cartels.
What will happen is some criminals will be caught, some will be punished, others will be killed, some will run away to other communities, others will move in to take their place. The cancer isn't the drug trade. It's the failed policy of Prohibition 2.0. You can only waste so many police and civilian lives until you have to face reality.
Every single citizen here in Zihuatanejo is clamoring for more and better police, but reality always gets in the way. So again, while in an ideal world we would have well-trained and equipped police forces here fighting crime and winning, we don't. We have a different reality that has continued in a different direction now for several decades. Doesn't "failed policy" mean the same thing in your vocabulary as it does mine?
Rob- much preferred your comments on Facebook
by K&B
, Friday, August 12, 2016, 21:03 (3746 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
A webmaster living in Mexico is not going to have any impact on American policy on drugs, election fraud, Everglades erosion, greenhouse gases, or war criminals like bush and Cheney. What you do have a great voice on is what happens in your neck of the woods. Possibly, single it down to one cause at a time where you might have an impact. Your derogatory tone towards the US offends me for one and I really don't think I'm alone.
Rob- much preferred your comments on Facebook
by gemini67, Friday, August 12, 2016, 21:37 (3746 days ago) @ K&B
kb you are alone, liviving in the hills, move to Oregon, Washington or Colorado,and soon to Nevada,CALIFORNIA and maybe Arizona..
Rob- much preferred your comments on Facebook
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 08:50 (3745 days ago) @ K&B
A webmaster living in Mexico is not going to have any impact on American policy on drugs, election fraud, Everglades erosion, greenhouse gases, or war criminals like bush and Cheney. What you do have a great voice on is what happens in your neck of the woods. Possibly, single it down to one cause at a time where you might have an impact. Your derogatory tone towards the US offends me for one and I really don't think I'm alone.
Can't be a part of the solution if you refuse to recognize the problem.
Derogatory tone? For posting a meme that suggests the USA actually take care of its problems instead of fomenting war and violence around the world? Well excuuuuuuse me!
Rob- much preferred your comments on Facebook
by bmart, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 17:24 (3745 days ago) @ K&B
A webmaster living in Mexico is not going to have any impact on American policy on drugs, election fraud, Everglades erosion, greenhouse gases, or war criminals like bush and Cheney. What you do have a great voice on is what happens in your neck of the woods. Possibly, single it down to one cause at a time where you might have an impact. Your derogatory tone towards the US offends me for one and I really don't think I'm alone.

pobre pueblo
by katherine
, Friday, August 12, 2016, 19:04 (3746 days ago) @ OlsenMN
There were also three other cartel shootings in Zihuatanejo today. One by commercial. And yet, when we walked La Ropa this morning, there were 7 regulators on the beach. Thank Goddess we are safe from dogs on the beach!!
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by Mexalberta
, Friday, August 12, 2016, 19:32 (3746 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
Good point, but we can only end violence with violence.. Time to get tough, words won't do it, Mexico does not have the means to get off the treadmill . Just as in Colombia, crimes should result in extradition to a US prison.
These guys like killing. It has become a hobby.
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by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, August 12, 2016, 19:52 (3746 days ago) @ Mexalberta
Good point, but we can only end violence with violence.. Time to get tough, words won't do it, Mexico does not have the means to get off the treadmill . Just as in Colombia, crimes should result in extradition to a US prison.
These guys like killing. It has become a hobby.
Wrong! Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the very definition of insanity. Violence begets violence.
How easy it is for old people from one country to decide that young people from another country should commit violence on their behalf!
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by Mexalberta
, Friday, August 12, 2016, 20:17 (3746 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
Let'ts let innocent old people be killed by under trained young people that have low intelligence and big egos
I can hear the sucking sound as your local real estate estate and economy disappears. Into the void of bad logic.
You can't solve this and neither can I but we both stick our heads in the sand
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by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, August 12, 2016, 20:20 (3746 days ago) @ Mexalberta
Let'ts let innocent old people be killed by under trained young people that have low intelligence and big egos
I can hear the sucking sound as your local real estate marke and economy disappear. Into the void of bad logic.
So how does spilling more blood change that? That was Calderón's erroneous assumption, too.
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by cantinero46, Friday, August 12, 2016, 20:59 (3746 days ago) @ Mexalberta
Bertha,but your sand is BLACK.
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by Mexalberta
, Friday, August 12, 2016, 21:49 (3746 days ago) @ cantinero46
You have increased your vocabulary to two words
Good job
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by cantinero46, Friday, August 12, 2016, 22:50 (3746 days ago) @ Mexalberta
Bertha,your sand is still BLACK....
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by cd69
, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Friday, August 12, 2016, 22:31 (3746 days ago) @ Mexalberta

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by JohvdelaCruz
, Zihuatanejo, Gro., MX, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 06:35 (3745 days ago) @ Mexalberta
edited by JohvdelaCruz, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 07:01
Ladies and Gentlemen, I am a very young person, I haven't lived long as you (though, I wish I will)
You come to my country to enjoy our paradises for which I am thankful, Although, honestly I wish I wouldn't have to, I wish we Mexicans were able to afford a trip)
As I said before, I haven't lived enough and I know very few things but I analyze them deeply. Maybe I'm wrong, only time, experience and wiser and older people will change that onto me.
You say we Mexicans are killing each other and no other country must be blamed on that, I wish you were right, I really do but if you haven't notice this is a globalized world, a slightest detail affects other countries for good or bad.
Your grandchildren are the reason why Mexican farmers farm poppy in the mountains, yes, those green mountains you see towards the north from El Mirador. I lived there for a year and I saw them. This is real, it affects yours and mines. But how could the Great America could be blamed on that? They're letting this things to happen, Why the most powerful country still let drugs get into the US?
I also know my people are lazy, they want to live in a Socialist System, they want their government to do this, and that and supply everything. We have lands to farm but nobody works, we have rivers and seas to fish but they prefer to cross a f***ing border to make easy money whithout paying taxes, blaming their government for their miserable lives.
I know you are able to afford for plane tickets, travel across the world, eat fancy food and wear luxury clothes and I'm happy (and jelous I have to admit it) but you did'n stole those things, you had to work and you were well payed because you were high educated, and you went to a good college or university because of your parents and they had the chance to send you to school because you're country always have had schools and infraestructure but why? Why is the United States of America rich?
Maybe because they took the very best advantages from post-WWII, your daddies died on those horrible events and Mexico only sent a ridiculous squad called Aztec Eagles and sent some farmers to the farms. After that, they wanted to keep working in the States? and these farmers got used to living there that even don't mind to cross that border again and again illegaly no matter what, event after being treated as garbage.
They feel proud and reply when a blond doll-face man calls them criminals. We have real criminals inside the country but none sais a thing.
I still think there is some kind of corporation which makes sure that only World Wars participant countries succeed and rules the world, I think they call it... how was it? Oh yeah NATO or maybe UNO.
I mean the USA, Canada, EUROPE (Spain, Grece and some others who didn't participate are a mess), Japan and Australia are the richest. Now there's something called ISIS who only attacks (can you guess why?) the US and Europe? Those who keep war over their heads.
But what does this have to do with some scared US citizens? Well, where do cartels get their guns? As I remember there was a strategy called Fast N Furious and one of those rifles ended up in Chapo Guzman hands, what about Iniciativa Mérida? just a stage play? US or DEA doesn't really help, they have all that power to find drug lords and make them fall but don't want to. But when it comes to a US citizen killed by narco in Michoacan, they found "hasta al sobrino del cuñado del que lo mató"
I'm granted scholarship to master English in the US on November, apart from that, I don't want anything from Mexico's government, I'll work hard so that my childs won't have to depend on charity to study at a good college.
I agree with Sr. Robert, we can't stop violence using violence, we are not fighting against others, it doesn't work like that. You just hear and watch the news. I don't want to have to stay home to not get shot, I can still go to college and work, I want to keep living that. There's other ways to end this war and violence. Will you still buy some alcohol for fun time to the same person who stole it and killed to make it come to you or you'll buy it at a store? But that doesn't happen does it? Because alcohol is legal, bad for health but still remains legal.
Now this seems like a tale to me. Doesn't it? Don't know where this shit came from haha but that's what I think and now I have to grow up, and teach as many people as I can that they need to work in order to have something. I believe I been doing that until now. Although we can never reject any help.
(I apologize if my English is not clear, I still study the thing)
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by katherine
, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 08:17 (3745 days ago) @ JohvdelaCruz
Your English is excellent. Thank you for sharing your views.
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by roadlesstraveledguyMN
, Cannon Falls, MN USA, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 21:55 (3745 days ago) @ JohvdelaCruz

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by GordJ, Friday, August 12, 2016, 22:53 (3746 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
Good point, but we can only end violence with violence.. Time to get tough, words won't do it, Mexico does not have the means to get off the treadmill . Just as in Colombia, crimes should result in extradition to a US prison.
These guys like killing. It has become a hobby.
Wrong! Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the very definition of insanity. Violence begets violence.How easy it is for old people from one country to decide that young people from another country should commit violence on their behalf!
Repetition has nothing to do with insanity. The quote is credited to many people but none, I repeat, none of them have anything at all to do with mental health. To repeat it as fact is a Trumpism.
Just like blaming another country for the crimes committed in yours. Narcos are killing narcos. Those aren't DEA agents killing anyone, they are Mexicans killing Mexicans. No matter what is the underlying cause the fact is the Mexicans are acting like completely out of control savages. Lord Of the Flies come to life. All of us have a wonderful sense of the Mexican people we have met but the reality is that there is an element that is vile, cruel, heartless and repulsive. Funny how the atrocities so prevalent in Mexico are, by and large, absent in those corrupt United States.
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by katherine
, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 05:31 (3745 days ago) @ GordJ
The truth in this case is narcos killing innocents who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. This is harder to shrug off.
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by upnortnick, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 08:41 (3745 days ago) @ Mexalberta
Good point, but we can only end violence with violence.. Time to get tough, words won't do it, Mexico does not have the means to get off the treadmill . Just as in Colombia, crimes should result in extradition to a US prison.
"Extradition to a US prison"?????ya right! Obama is letting them out quicker than the system can put them in. He's pardoned more criminals to date than the last presidents had done in total. Wait until his last month in office when he really gets going. Nice time to be in law enforcement when you've got a president who doesn't support you.
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by katherine
, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 08:42 (3745 days ago) @ upnortnick
He has pardoned people who received ridiculously long sentences due to draconian drug laws. Not exactly dangerous criminals.
Yes, American policy regarding drugs is stupid and something needs to change. This will take time if it ever happens. The Mexican government, state and local governments need to immediately get to work putting an end to this violence, before it kills any more people and completely destroys the economy of Zihuatanejo. Ignoring what's going on and fixating on keeping dogs off the beaches is unbelievable bullshit.
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by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, August 12, 2016, 20:06 (3746 days ago) @ frostbite
Yes, American policy regarding drugs is stupid and something needs to change. This will take time if it ever happens. The Mexican government, state and local governments need to immediately get to work putting an end to this violence, before it kills any more people and completely destroys the economy of Zihuatanejo. Ignoring what's going on and fixating on keeping dogs off the beaches is unbelievable bullshit.
Except that over 40 years of a failed policy that has only caused hundreds of thousands of deaths as well as immeasurable misery and violence demonstrates quite clearly that this isn't a problem the Mexican government can fix alone. Even if they put a militarized cop on every street corner nothing would change until the CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM changed, and that cause isn't corrupt or inept politicians in Mexico. It's the tens of millions of U.S. consumers who must purchase their product in a black market created by the failed policy. We may be able to chase the bad guys around from one place to another, but they simply have more money than any government does, including the U.S. government with its trillion dollar military and plethora of alphabet soup "secret" agencies and all their technology.
So tell me, after over 40 years of a policy being failed, how much more time will it take before overpaid politicians get around to fixing it? In this respect at least Mexico is entertaining some radical changes such as legalizing the production of heroin since that is where the big money is right now thanks to the whims of U.S. consumers. While in the USA the best the government can do is continue classifying pot as being as dangerous as heroin! That is unacceptable! THAT is what corruption looks like! Bought and sold by private prisons, Big Alcohol and Big Pharma and all those juicy billion dollar budgets for fun toys and bureaucracies like the DEA.
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by Susan G
, Zihua/La Ropa, Friday, August 12, 2016, 20:54 (3746 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
There needs to be retenes (checkpoints by the Mexican federal navy) all over the place and also on the highway. That should slow down these shootings. The local people here know who are the narcos -- they grew up here.
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by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, August 12, 2016, 20:58 (3746 days ago) @ Susan G
There needs to be retenes (checkpoints by the Mexican federal navy) all over the place and also on the highway. That should slow down these shootings. The local people here know who are the narcos -- they grew up here.
While I agree retenes would help, I disagree that the people here know who the narcos are. These are punks from other territories, looking to fill the void left by the recent arrest of a local capo. The "war on drugs" is an ideal war for certain interests because it never ends. Cut off one head and 5 more ruthless heads appear in its place. There is simply too much money involved.
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by cd69
, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Friday, August 12, 2016, 22:38 (3746 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
You are in a really bad situation Rob. And being in the business you are in, losing tourism for any reason is not good but after having issues with the US economy crashing and then the world economy suffering after 9/11, you sure can't afford another strike against Zihua/Ixtapa with an increase in the violence. That could end up being the final nail in the proverbial coffin form many. I'm someone that will likely keep coming unless things get totally out of control but from what my local friends are telling me, it does not look good and it is no longer the odd shooting and just that vacuum created by one guy down and others trying to take over. As much as you want to blame the US policies, it won't change anytime soon and something needs to happen locally or you will be just a nice memory.
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by bob/medhat
, medicine hat, alberta, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 00:55 (3746 days ago) @ cd69
edited by bob/medhat, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 01:06
Wow, read all the threads and all though I too will continue visiting I will surely be looking over my shoulder more than I ever have when out and about in zihua/ixtapa.
And like cd69 will be very disappointed to have to look elsewhere to visit, spur the economy and be involved with locals. So on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being not at all) how safe do members of this board that are in zihua now feel while doing their daily Outings?
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by katherine
, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 05:34 (3745 days ago) @ bob/medhat
Unfortunately, looking over your shoulder would not have helped in this case. Two women driving down the street and their car was sprayed with machine gun fire. Five o'clock on a Friday afternoon. It seems they were mistaken for bad guys. Or something.
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by Sun Seeker, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 12:28 (3745 days ago) @ katherine
"Mistaken". Yep .... the plates were not from Guerrero.
Unfortunately, this has been going on all year. Most likely for much longer.
Two friends of mine were driving a car with out of state plates, and were forced over by three men with long guns. They shoved the gun into his back so hard it left bruises.
They had to show their local Zihuatanejo ID to prove they weren't members of a rival drug cartel from another state in Mexico.
They were told they could no longer drive that vehicle, or risk being killed.
Hey guys - we're NOT Colombians !
by HolyMole, Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 11:44 (3742 days ago) @ Sun Seeker
"Mistaken". Yep .... the plates were not from Guerrero.
Unfortunately, this has been going on all year. Most likely for much longer.Two friends of mine were driving a car with out of state plates, and were forced over by three men with long guns. They shoved the gun into his back so hard it left bruises.
They had to show their local Zihuatanejo ID to prove they weren't members of a rival drug cartel from another state in Mexico.
They were told they could no longer drive that vehicle, or risk being killed.
This is a tad worrisome for those of us who drive down, with our foreign license plates.
One day in Zihua we came across two young locals pointing to our British Columbia tags and saying, in surprise, "Mira.....Colombia !".
That's all we need: local drug cartel thugs figuring us out to be Colombians trying to horn into their territory.
You are in a really bad situation Rob. And being in the business you are in, losing tourism for any reason is not good but after having issues with the US economy crashing and then the world economy suffering after 9/11, you sure can't afford another strike against Zihua/Ixtapa with an increase in the violence. That could end up being the final nail in the proverbial coffin for many. I'm someone that will likely keep coming unless things get totally out of control but from what my local friends are telling me, it does not look good and it is no longer the odd shooting and just that vacuum created by one guy down and others trying to take over. As much as you want to blame the US policies, it won't change anytime soon and something needs to happen locally or you will be just a nice memory.
We are with you cd69 in that [within reason] we will not let this crap change the way we live. We are coming to the Z / H / Potosi area again this winter. We are not young enough to believe that we are bullet proof; but we are old enough to know that this shit can happen anywhere. We are loathe to let these narco arseholes destroy the tourism business that is so important to the people we have come to love.
I know Rob comes on a little strong about the US [BTW I am a Canuck] ; but he is correct about criminalizing substances creating a black market and being the basis of big time crime. We believe that the possession of any substance should not be illegal. The behaviour that results should be the criminal focus. For instance, if you produce and /or smoke dope - no problem; but if you smoke dope and drive stoned - they should throw the book at you. This approach takes the profit out of dope [ or any other substance for that matter ] and leaves no incentive for crime.
I also agree with Rob that the "WAR ON DRUGS" has become a big business that a lot of powerful people do not want ended for financial reasons. Keep your head up & your stick on the ice ...JB
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by cd69
, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 01:43 (3746 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase
There is a big difference between marijuana legalization and cocaine and the cartels are still making the bulk of their profits on cocaine and I believe that needs to be fighted. The US and Canada and many others parts of the world contribute to the problem of course by having large quantity of consumers and as long as you have demand, there will be supply.
There is a big difference between marijuana legalization and cocaine and the cartels are still making the bulk of their profits on cocaine and I believe that needs to be fighted. The US and Canada and many others parts of the world contribute to the problem of course by having large quantity of consumers and as long as you have demand, there will be supply.
Thanks for your post. Your opinion is shared by many. Our point is, if you decriminalize the possession of all substances, you obliterate the the demand and take the bad guys out of the equation. ....JB
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by cd69
, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 05:26 (3745 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase
That is very unlikely! First off, governments have not been very good at making drugs. Second, if you think suddenly criminals will become good guys because it's now legal, you are dead wrong. They have already invested in other areas and will continue to do so. They control several other markets already. Decriminilizing drugs is not the perfect solution and many experts on the subject agree that not all drugs should be decriminalized. Marijuana yes but hard chemical drugs no.
What It's All About
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 09:07 (3745 days ago) @ cd69
That is very unlikely! First off, governments have not been very good at making drugs. Second, if you think suddenly criminals will become good guys because it's now legal, you are dead wrong. They have already invested in other areas and will continue to do so. They control several other markets already. Decriminilizing drugs is not the perfect solution and many experts on the subject agree that not all drugs should be decriminalized. Marijuana yes but hard chemical drugs no.
If a bootlegger's son can become the president of the USA then I think there's hope that even the bad ol' narcos can become productive citizens.
Many of you frequent businesses owned by narcos in Mexico and equally despicable people in your own countries and never even know it.
ALL drugs, especially cocaine, LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, meth, and heroin, should be completely decriminalized. Their use should not be a criminal matter at all. Their ABUSE should be a health matter. Just as every citizen of Canada, Mexico and the USA apparently has a "right" to drink alcohol and sugary beverages, they should have at least the same right to partake of other subtances even if they do affect the sales of the USA's alcohol and pharmaceutical companies and even if their legalization would mean huge losses for the USA's private prison system, because THAT, kidlets, is what this is all about.
What It's All About
by upnortnick, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 10:28 (3745 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
Show me where the Kennedy's decapitated people and hung them from public bridges.
What It's All About
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 11:28 (3745 days ago) @ upnortnick
Show me where the Kennedy's decapitated people and hung them from public bridges.
WTF? Actually that's what racists who also became powerful politicians were doing in the USA back them. Not sure about rum and whisky runners.
Prohibition 1.0 only lasted 13 years. Prohibition 2.0 has lasted over a century. We'll never know what all atrocities the Kennedy clan and their associated gangs might have committed because there was no social media or internet or cellphones with cameras to splash the news instantly around the world like there are today. With all due respect, I think your comment is a rather unhelpful deflection from a most serious matter.
Truth or BS ?
by frostbite
, Hamilton MT, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 06:16 (3745 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase
There is a big difference between marijuana legalization and cocaine and the cartels are still making the bulk of their profits on cocaine and I believe that needs to be fighted. The US and Canada and many others parts of the world contribute to the problem of course by having large quantity of consumers and as long as you have demand, there will be supply.
Thanks for your post. Your opinion is shared by many. Our point is, if you decriminalize the possession of all substances, you obliterate the the demand and take the bad guys out of the equation. ....JB
While I strongly believe that all drugs should be legalized, controlled, taxed and all potential users be made to attend classes advising them of potential bad effects before getting a card allowing them to buy their drug of choice, it's highly unlikely that the cretins involved with the drug trade/wars will suddenly be looking for regular employment.
Truth or BS ?
by Mexalberta
, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 08:32 (3745 days ago) @ frostbite
They have many other skills
Extortion, robbery,illegal logging, taking over the lime industry for a period of time etc
They will not go away and these skills will be passed on to future generations , they are heros in many regions of Mexico
The Robin Hood syndrome
Truth or BS ?
by frostbite
, Hamilton MT, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 12:33 (3745 days ago) @ Mexalberta
My point, exactly.
They have many other skills
Extortion, robbery,illegal logging, taking over the lime industry for a period of time etc
They will not go away and these skills will be passed on to future generations , they are heros in many regions of Mexico
The Robin Hood syndrome
Here's where Keith's BS meter would be useful. Saying that the removal from the black market of the stupidly banned substances that most enrich violent organized criminals and the corrupt authorities who protect them wouldn't change a thing demonstrates an extremely naive and poor understanding of the problem, especially on a socio-economic level. Without the endless supply of money from stupidly banned recreational substances, the Mexican authorities and their resources would be freed to actually tackle the rest of the real crime that exists in our country on a much more level playing field. There is little attraction for young people to join ordinary criminal gangs not associated with the limitless wealth of the narco trade. Prohibition 2.0 offers basically the same attraction to young NiNis* as Prohibition 1.0 offered to young folks during the years leading up to the Great Depression. A way to make quick money and appear macho.
Several of the cartels over the years looking to establish a footing in our region began their reigns of terror eliminating local kidnappers, extortionists, rapists and robbers. It's the same way they established their "credentials" in Michoacán and other regions of Guerrero. This story keeps repeating itself over and over. They take advantage of the absence of any real police force to gain a reputation as benevolent vigilantes. No Robin Hood syndrome. They demand loyalty, and the political parties and the municipal governments are often the first to give it, which is why we never hear from our municipal government on this matter. In Chilpancingo a new twist developed this year where bad guys would be found tied, beaten but alive and naked with a message taped to them explaining their crimes.
But the latest wave of violence only underscores an old Mexican adage: mejor el malo por conocido que el bueno por conocer.
The recent detention of a local capo has opened the door for new gangs to fight for control of the region. During the decades I've been here I've watched one story sadly repeat itself while the so-called authorities continue to commit the same mistake over and over (and they will continue repeating it since it is the only strategy to follow for the stupid war on drugs). Each time a capo goes down, his or her replacement has always been less educated, less disciplined, less benevolent, and more violent. That brings us to where we are today and why we're seeing shootings on the main streets of town in broad daylight, something that was unthinkable and practically unheard of here not that many years ago. And it's all directly tied to that long-failed policy often known as the war on drugs.
[*NiNi - Ni trabaja ni estudia]
sad
by katherine
, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 13:33 (3745 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
Thank you for the concise explanation.
BS
by Mexalberta
, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 15:54 (3745 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
Freedom of speech and thought are such a wonderful thing
Thank you for giving us the opportunity to speak and think and not be expected to think or speak in unison
I
Truth or BS ?
by rdcosta
, Monday, August 15, 2016, 19:17 (3743 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase
All we have to do is look back to prohibition. Legalize the drugs, let the government tax and sell them,end of problems. Canada seems to have the right approach
Truth or BS ?
by K&B
, Monday, August 15, 2016, 19:23 (3743 days ago) @ rdcosta
Easy Peasy Nothing to it!
Truth or BS ?
by cd69
, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Friday, August 12, 2016, 22:33 (3746 days ago) @ Susan G

Truth or BS ?
by Diane, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 19:12 (3745 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
If the problem is US drug policy please explain why there are not thousands of Canadien narcos slaughtering people and taking over cities in Canada just like in Mexico.
Truth or BS ?
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 19:43 (3745 days ago) @ Diane
If the problem is US drug policy please explain why there are not thousands of Canadien narcos slaughtering people and taking over cities in Canada just like in Mexico.
I shouldn't have to even explain this to you, Diane. It's contemporary history and simple geography.
Remember Colombia? That's where most of the really rich and powerful narcos were until the US government, especially one of its agencies that shouldn't even exist, the DEA, decided to literally hand control of the entire narco business to the Mexicans. Pot and psilocybin and mescaline had always made a little money for enterprising Mexicans up through the 70's and 80's, but smuggling coke, heroin and meth quickly became one of the most lucrative enterprises, and as the demand for heroin grew in the USA the next thing Mexico knew it was a major poppy grower. While I know meth production IS a problem in both Canada and the USA, the Chinese who supply the chemical precursors seem much more disposed to deal with Mexico's cartels who in addition to making cash purchases more recently have been trading minerals, ore and lumber for meth precursors. And voilà, you have a new billion-dollar business and organizations fighting for control of it.
But please don't pretend there isn't gang violence in Canada or the USA. There's plenty of it as well as armed psychocretins, terrorists and even other countries pointing nuclear weapons at you. I really don't miss that feeling here in Zihuatanejo!
Truth or BS ?
by Charlybby, Sunday, August 14, 2016, 16:58 (3744 days ago) @ Diane
Wow Diane! What part of Canada r u from?!?! You hear about it all the time all across Canada & especially here in BC, & not just the lower mainland.
If the problem is US drug policy please explain why there are not thousands of Canadien narcos slaughtering people and taking over cities in Canada just like in Mexico.
On average , there is someone slaughtered once a week in Surrey BC due to drug violence Diane.
...JB
No, just BS
by HolyMole, Monday, August 15, 2016, 17:35 (3743 days ago) @ Johnny Briefcase
If the problem is US drug policy please explain why there are not thousands of Canadien narcos slaughtering people and taking over cities in Canada just like in Mexico.
On average , there is someone slaughtered once a week in Surrey BC due to drug violence Diane.
...JB
Aw come on, Johnny. Even if your statistics are correct (and I very much doubt they are), an annual 52 drug-related killings in Surrey wouldn't even half-fill your average Mexican neighbourhood narcofosa. It is disingenuous in the extreme to draw any parallels between the levels of violent crime in Mexico and Canada.
No, just BS
by Purplehaze, Monday, August 15, 2016, 17:43 (3743 days ago) @ HolyMole
No, just BS
by HolyMole, Monday, August 15, 2016, 17:57 (3743 days ago) @ Purplehaze
http://surrey.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=2105&languageId=1&contentId=46147
YTD. 3
Just as I thought: YTD 3.....and we're now in Week #33.
I get really tired of posts trying to convince me that I risk my life just stepping out my Canadian front door.
No, just BS
by Purplehaze, Monday, August 15, 2016, 18:04 (3743 days ago) @ HolyMole
You step out your front door with the smell of back bacon on you and a polar bear will have you swallowed whole in a second
No, just BS
by Mexalberta
, Monday, August 15, 2016, 18:29 (3743 days ago) @ Purplehaze
May have to use Google Translate for that one
No, just BS
by HolyMole, Monday, August 15, 2016, 19:11 (3743 days ago) @ Purplehaze
You step out your front door with the smell of back bacon on you and a polar bear will have you swallowed whole in a second
You're not related to poster "cantinero46" by any chance, are you?
No, just BS
by cantinero46, Monday, August 15, 2016, 20:50 (3743 days ago) @ HolyMole
Glad to see the mole is back above ground,en guard mister! And really like anybody cares,why waste my time,be in Zihuatanejo for another 5+ months this winter.Bye!
No, just BS
by Mexalberta
, Monday, August 15, 2016, 21:44 (3743 days ago) @ HolyMole
It is a bad gene
Truth or BS ?
by 74Bear, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 17:52 (3745 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
You can argue about the root cause of the extreme violence all you want, but here’s the bottom line for our family. We have been coming to Z for 13 years with our children. Several times I have wondered whether making the decision to vacation in Z was unsafe, but we came anyway and enjoyed our week to 10 day stays with no problems.
However, the frequency of these shootings is alarming. More importantly these shootings are occurring in parts of town that we routinely frequent and at times when we could likely be there. We will miss playing in the bay, our friends at the hotel, the local restaurants and Rossi’s.
That said, sorry, but after 13 years Z is off our list. Can’t risk the safety of my family.
Sad Truth
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 18:32 (3745 days ago) @ 74Bear
You can argue about the root cause of the extreme violence all you want, but here’s the bottom line for our family. We have been coming to Z for 13 years with our children. Several times I have wondered whether making the decision to vacation in Z was unsafe, but we came anyway and enjoyed our week to 10 day stays with no problems.
However, the frequency of these shootings is alarming. More importantly these shootings are occurring in parts of town that we routinely frequent and at times when we could likely be there. We will miss playing in the bay, our friends at the hotel, the local restaurants and Rossi’s.
That said, sorry, but after 13 years Z is off our list. Can’t risk the safety of my family.
Can't blame you one bit.
I highly regret that our "responsible authorities" at all levels have failed miserably in their obligation to provide a level of public security that allows people to feel safe, especially visitors to communities whose economies are dependent on tourism such as ours.
Just heartbreaking that this is happening to this lovely piece of heaven. It won't stop me from coming back but if it keeps getting worse and worse, I would have to rethink my plans.
Sad Truth
by Sun Seeker, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 19:24 (3745 days ago) @ Helene
I have an apartment in Zihuatanejo and have my airfare booked for another six month stay.
Sure hope this beautiful town with its lovely people will get the needed attention it so deserves. Hate to think it may be my last vist. 
Truth or BS ?
by MrChristopher, Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 19:42 (3745 days ago) @ 74Bear
For the first time in many, many years I am searching the internet for a small wonderful town to spend my vacation time at. I am sure I will not find one that will match my " Happy Place" in Z. I will miss all of my friends at the restaurants I have been to dozens and dozens of times.
I am sad but also firm in deciding I can't risk my families well being. Hopefully the situation will change but until it does, I'll look elsewhere.
Truth or BS ?
by Purplehaze, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 19:49 (3745 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/mexico-poppy-farmers-1.3495871
I see Don Hector in the papers hitting a lot of photo ops. Usually it is a plata hand out. Does this guy have any power over what goes down in Z? I don't want to de disrespectful to him as I have very limited knowledge but it seems like he should take a stand by now. A gringo like me can just vacation elsewhere but what about the people who voted for him? They cannot all be narcos or insiders lining up to the trough for some graft. If Z ends like Acapulco ( another natural beauty now destroyed) I will be very sad for my Latino friends
Ball Shot
by Zihuateco
, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 20:54 (3745 days ago) @ Purplehaze
Your Latinos friends are not Latinos!
They are Mexican!
Ball Shot
by Purplehaze, Saturday, August 13, 2016, 20:57 (3745 days ago) @ Zihuateco
Verdad. Disculpa
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that, unless a Mexican is Mexican Indian, he/she would be considered Latino, i.e. of Spanish descent.
Origins
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, August 14, 2016, 09:40 (3744 days ago) @ frostbite
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that, unless a Mexican is Mexican Indian, he/she would be considered Latino, i.e. of Spanish descent.
A Mexican Indian is someone of Mexican ancestry who lives in India.

Picky, picky, picky. The term American Indian is a perfectly acceptable definition of a Native American. Perhaps I should have said Indigenous Mexican. How about answering the original question?
Origins
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, August 14, 2016, 11:35 (3744 days ago) @ frostbite
Picky, picky, picky. The term American Indian is a perfectly acceptable definition of a Native American. Perhaps I should have said Indigenous Mexican. How about answering the original question?
The misused term of calling local indigenous people "Indians" dates back to the errant murderous Cristobol Colón. He thought he was in the Indian Ocean of Asia and was appalled that the locals dared to resist being raped, pillaged and enslaved. How many years must an error be perpetuated before someone thinks to correct it? Same with using the word "American" to refer only to someone from the United States. It's like reading incomprehension on a massive scale!
Native Americans inhabited America from Tierra del Fuego to the Northern Territories. In what is now the United States as well as throughout the Caribbean campaigns of genocide were carried out against them.
So which native people are you referring to? There are many and apparently all don't have exactly the same genetic origins.
People from Mexico show stunning amount of genetic diversity
But here we are once again getting distracted by unimportant minutiae.
Origins
by frostbite
, Hamilton MT, Sunday, August 14, 2016, 12:32 (3744 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
edited by frostbite, Sunday, August 14, 2016, 12:38
Picky, picky, picky. The term American Indian is a perfectly acceptable definition of a Native American. Perhaps I should have said Indigenous Mexican. How about answering the original question?
The misused term of calling local indigenous people "Indians" dates back to the errant murderous Cristobol Colón. He thought he was in the Indian Ocean of Asia and was appalled that the locals dared to resist being raped, pillaged and enslaved. How many years must an error be perpetuated before someone thinks to correct it? Same with using the word "American" to refer only to someone from the United States. It's like reading incomprehension on a massive scale!Native Americans inhabited America from Tierra del Fuego to the Northern Territories. In what is now the United States as well as throughout the Caribbean campaigns of genocide were carried out against them.
So which native people are you referring to? There are many and apparently all don't have exactly the same genetic origins.
People from Mexico show stunning amount of genetic diversityBut here we are once again getting distracted by unimportant minutiae.
I'm fully aware of the origin of the word Indian when used in reference to the indigenous population of this continent prior to Columbus' arrival. Whether you like it or not, it is in common use. For example: a local tribe here in Montana is called Nez Perce (French for pierced nose). They were so named by French Canadian trappers - in error - after a neighboring tribe who did, in fact, pierce their noses. These folks never did, but even today they even refer to themselves as Nez Perce.
My reference was to the post by Zihuateco: "Your Latinos friends are not Latinos. They are Mexican". My question, which I prefer as not being "unimportant minutiae" still stands, unanswered.
Origins
by bob/medhat
, medicine hat, alberta, Sunday, August 14, 2016, 21:54 (3744 days ago) @ frostbite
Maybe everyone should go to the basketball courts tomorrow at say 9 before it gets too hot put on one of those big inflated sumo wrestler costumes and take turns taking runs at each Other!!
Fun, no one get physically hurt other than Egos!! Lol
Decriminalize
by RB, Sunday, August 14, 2016, 10:35 (3744 days ago) @ frostbite
I agree the only way to stop the insanity is to decriminalize all drugs. Slap a tax on them, paste a warning on them, and, like alcohol, let people have at it with eyes wide open. And when, inevitably, some people become addicted and ruin their lives, use the taxes for the programs that will get them clean. There will always be demand, especially with each new generation, so making their drug of choice illegal will not make it go away, and the misery caused by the narcos goes on and on.
But just say, for one crazy minute, all agreed, including various governments. How would it work? How do you set up the newly legalized organizations, the production facilities, the distribution channels, the purchasing outlets? And how do the narcos get a piece of that action? If it all falls under the purview of government, what's the incentive for the narcos to hand it over?
Decriminalize
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, August 14, 2016, 12:00 (3744 days ago) @ RB
I agree the only way to stop the insanity is to decriminalize all drugs. Slap a tax on them, paste a warning on them, and, like alcohol, let people have at it with eyes wide open. And when, inevitably, some people become addicted and ruin their lives, use the taxes for the programs that will get them clean. There will always be demand, especially with each new generation, so making their drug of choice illegal will not make it go away, and the misery caused by the narcos goes on and on.
But just say, for one crazy minute, all agreed, including various governments. How would it work? How do you set up the newly legalized organizations, the production facilities, the distribution channels, the purchasing outlets? And how do the narcos get a piece of that action? If it all falls under the purview of government, what's the incentive for the narcos to hand it over?
I'd say it isn't all that complicated except for the politics, because there will always be folks seeking to profit from misery and corruption who will fight to protect their interests no matter how despicable they might appear to be.
They can be regulated and sold like alcohol, cigarettes and OTC drugs, except I believe there is a huge number of folks who would simply prefer to grow their own pot or mescaline or psilocybin, which should be perfectly fine. Just like you are allowed to make your own beer and wine and even share it with your family and friends. No fuss no muss.
If the experience of Portugal is any indicator, decriminalization has led to a decrease in the abuse of "drugs", as well as a decrease in other problems typically associated with the distribution and use of stupidly banned substances in the USA. Here in Mexico we are decades behind the USA in fighting the stigma and stereotypes associated with people who use stupidly banned substances. The problem as always is getting folks to understand that it is infinitely better for folks WHO MAY BE YOUR OWN CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN to be able to acquire recreational substances that are relatively safe and to acquire them in a safe environment than to have to deal with possibly dangerous black market dealers who have little to no control over the quality, purity of relative safety of the substances they sell. While I'm pretty sure none of us want our children or grandchildren to do things like cocaine, heroin, meth or ecstasy, the fact is some of them are going to want to experiment. This is natural. So wouldn't you prefer your kids or grandkids be able to do so in as safe an environment as possible?

