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by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, December 09, 2019, 18:38 (2530 days ago)
The Mexican federal government recently voted into law the creation of the Instituto Nacional de Salud y Bienestar (INSABI) which provides health care coverage for around 62 million Mexicans and will include foreigners beginning January 1, 2020. You're welcome.
Yes, I'm sure we're not up to the standards some of you expect. Then don't accept it. But what I don't see are angry Mexicans red in the face and frothing at the mouth screaming racial slurs demanding foreigners take care of their own damn selves. What I don't see are foreigners under attack for receiving a benefit that is considered by many people, including those who adhere to the principles of Christianity, a basic right.
Gracias, Mexico, por poner el buen ejemplo.
Senado aprueba la creación del INSABI y la desaparición del Seguro Popular
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by Karen, Monday, December 09, 2019, 20:58 (2530 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
This will be the pill that’s hard to swallow... and the impact will further cripple Mexico. As nice and kind as it sounds it’s just not sustainable.
“Para que México pueda otorgar salud universal como viene en el dictamen, se requieren 2.5 billones de pesos, eso quiere decir, que nuestra recaudación fiscal que hoy va en 13 por ciento del PIB tiene que subir a 34, es decir, nuestro Presupuesto que hoy es de 6 billones tiene que llegar a 9”, señaló
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by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, December 09, 2019, 21:43 (2530 days ago) @ Karen
This will be the pill that’s hard to swallow... and the impact will further cripple Mexico. As nice and kind as it sounds it’s just not sustainable.
“Para que México pueda otorgar salud universal como viene en el dictamen, se requieren 2.5 billones de pesos, eso quiere decir, que nuestra recaudación fiscal que hoy va en 13 por ciento del PIB tiene que subir a 34, es decir, nuestro Presupuesto que hoy es de 6 billones tiene que llegar a 9”, señaló
What isn’t sustainable is profiting from misery. That crap has got to end. Humans need to improve their ethical behavior collectively, or as Dr. Stephen W. Hawking predicted our collective greed will kill us.
This is what it is: a step in the right direction and an improvement over what we have.
Like tens of millions of mis compatriotas, I’m anxious to see La Cuarta Transformación get underway. ¡Ya es hora!

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by Karen, Monday, December 09, 2019, 22:14 (2530 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
But a tax increase that will surely cripple the average worker... how can people absorb that?!
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by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, December 09, 2019, 22:31 (2530 days ago) @ Karen
But a tax increase that will surely cripple the average worker... how can people absorb that?!
I see no tax increase in our future though I do see lots more tax revenue coming in, but if there were an increase it would still be cheaper than dying or paying exorbitant (for us) for-profit health care costs that already are much cheaper than in the USA. That’s what the federal government’s policy of austerity is all about. That’s what the war on corruption and “abrazos no balazos” is all about. This is what the great majority of Mexicans want. So if this government can get the ball rolling in the right direction then it will be doing what it was elected to do.
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by midalake
, Monday, December 09, 2019, 22:54 (2530 days ago) @ Karen
But a tax increase that will surely cripple the average worker... how can people absorb that?!
Of course this is the programing you have heard form republicans. Rich people getting tax breaks while working people get less benefits and breaks. Do you realize that the average FAMILY barely got 1,200/ year from the trump tax cuts, YET someone like trump got $150,000/ a year in tax breaks. To put it another way the family would have to wait 16.6 years to buy a 25 thousand dollar car. WHILE the t-rump would be able to buy 6- 25 thousand dollar cars in the first year.
I am sure though you are ready to explain how this is FAIR and EQUITABLE. ALL while piling on TRILLIONS of dollars in debt.
GOOD society starts with GOOD ideas and practices. ALL is neither cheap or free.
D
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by frostbite
, Hamilton MT, Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 17:22 (2528 days ago) @ midalake
I recently came across 2 versions of the 1956 Republican Platform:
Version 1:
1. Provide Federal assistance to low-income communities.
2. Protect Social Security.
3. Provide asylum to refugees.
4. Extend the minimum wage.
5. Improve unemployment benefit systems, so it covers more people.
6. Strengthen labor laws so workers can easily join a union.
7. Assure equal pay for equal work, regardless of sex.
Version 2:
1. Stimulate improved job safety of our workers, through assistance to the
states, employees and employers.
2. Continue and further perfect its programs of assistance to the millions
of workers with special employment problems, such as older workers
handicapped workers, members of minority groups and migratory workers.
3. Strengthen and improve the Federal-State employment services and improve
the effectiveness of the unemployment insurance system.
4. Protect by law the assets of employee welfare and benefit plans, so that
workers who are the beneficiaries can be assured of their rightful
benefits.
5. Assure equal pay for equal work, regardless of sex.
6. Federally-assisted construction, and maintain and continue the vigorous
administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public
supply contracts.
7. Extend protection of the minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is
possible and practicable.
8. Continue to fight for elimination of discrimination in employment
because of race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry or sex.
9. Provide assistance to improve the economic conditions of areas faced
with persistent and substantial unemployment.
10.Revise and improve the Taft-Hartley Act so as to protect more effectively
the rights of labor unions, management, the individual worker and the
public.
11.The protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to
bargain collectively is the permanent policy of the Eisenhower
Administration.
If true, this coming out of the mouths of the Republican Party, is absolutely mind-blowing. If these words were being spoken today by Democrats, the GOP would be screaming: "Communists!"
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by midalake
, Saturday, December 14, 2019, 19:52 (2525 days ago) @ frostbite
I recently came across 2 versions of the 1956 Republican Platform:
Version 1:
1. Provide Federal assistance to low-income communities.
2. Protect Social Security.
3. Provide asylum to refugees.
4. Extend the minimum wage.
5. Improve unemployment benefit systems, so it covers more people.
6. Strengthen labor laws so workers can easily join a union.
7. Assure equal pay for equal work, regardless of sex.Version 2:
1. Stimulate improved job safety of our workers, through assistance to the
states, employees and employers.
2. Continue and further perfect its programs of assistance to the millions
of workers with special employment problems, such as older workers
handicapped workers, members of minority groups and migratory workers.
3. Strengthen and improve the Federal-State employment services and improve
the effectiveness of the unemployment insurance system.
4. Protect by law the assets of employee welfare and benefit plans, so that
workers who are the beneficiaries can be assured of their rightful
benefits.
5. Assure equal pay for equal work, regardless of sex.
6. Federally-assisted construction, and maintain and continue the vigorous
administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public
supply contracts.
7. Extend protection of the minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is
possible and practicable.
8. Continue to fight for elimination of discrimination in employment
because of race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry or sex.
9. Provide assistance to improve the economic conditions of areas faced
with persistent and substantial unemployment.
10.Revise and improve the Taft-Hartley Act so as to protect more effectively
the rights of labor unions, management, the individual worker and the
public.
11.The protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to
bargain collectively is the permanent policy of the Eisenhower
Administration.If true, this coming out of the mouths of the Republican Party, is absolutely mind-blowing. If these words were being spoken today by Democrats, the GOP would be screaming: "Communists!"
Well since the republican party has been hijacked by a madman it seems direction changes daily. Weird and dangerous times we live in.
D
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by frostbite
, Hamilton MT, Tuesday, December 10, 2019, 08:22 (2530 days ago) @ Karen
If "Medicare for all" works in most, if not all, European countries, why wouldn't it work in the US?
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by Ironwood
, Tuesday, December 10, 2019, 12:28 (2529 days ago) @ frostbite
If "Medicare for all" works in most, if not all, European countries, why wouldn't it work in the US?
And what are we, a hundred miles north of you in Montana? Chopped liver?
Actually, I'm surprised (and disappointed) to discover that Mexico apparently did not already have universal medicare as we in Canada and in the rest of the enlightened industrialized western world (except the USA) understand that phrase.
"Dental tourism" visits by US residents to Mexico have been going on for decades. But if the healthcare now being made available to visiting foreigners provides access only to IMSS hospitals, I don't see a flood of Americans looking to "medical tourism" visits to Mexico to take advantage of "free" healthcare.....unless, of course, Trump cuts millions more from Medicare.
(Isn't it odd that the Republicans have had years and years to get rid of "ObamaCare" but have come up empty? During the Republican presidential candidate race in 2016, every single candidate promised that their first act as President would be to get rid of ObamaCare. Cruz promised to accomplish that in his first day in office! But Trump still proudly campaigns on his slogan: "Promises made, promises kept"......and the morons clap and cheer wildly.)
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by jay
, Tuesday, December 10, 2019, 14:30 (2529 days ago) @ Ironwood
Republicans were outflanked when Obama chose a conservative, market-based plan similar to one they had supported for many years. That didn't stop them, though, from dishonestly calling it socialized medicine. So they can't very well move to the right to replace it without cruelly throwing millions of their own base off their health insurance plans and returning us to the good old days when insurance companies routinely screwed their customers. And they'd rather chew out their own kidneys than move to the left, toward single-payer. So they're boxed in, and it's their own fault. Obamacare isn't perfect by a long shot but it's a damn sight better than what we had. So now Republicans are reduced to just desperately hoping their base forgets the whole 'repeal and replace' thing.
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by zulualpha, Tuesday, December 10, 2019, 17:04 (2529 days ago) @ Ironwood
"....and the morons clap and cheer wildly."
Question: How many (US) states require high school students to take and pass a course in civics as a condition of graduation?
Answer: Two
Conclusion: "and the morons clap and cheer wildly."
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by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, December 10, 2019, 17:35 (2529 days ago) @ zulualpha
"....and the morons clap and cheer wildly."
Question: How many (US) states require high school students to take and pass a course in civics as a condition of graduation?
Answer: Two
Conclusion: "and the morons clap and cheer wildly."
Back in the mid-seventies they tried to "obligate" me to take a class in my Florida high school called "Americanism versus Communism". I flat out refused. Told them I would take no part in their propaganda class. Today that town has a major opioid crisis, worst in the state, and you guessed it, it's full of Chump supporters: the hateful, the fearful, and the near brain dead.
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by Ironwood
, Tuesday, December 10, 2019, 21:07 (2529 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
"....and the morons clap and cheer wildly."
Question: How many (US) states require high school students to take and pass a course in civics as a condition of graduation?
Answer: Two
Conclusion: "and the morons clap and cheer wildly."
Back in the mid-seventies they tried to "obligate" me to take a class in my Florida high school called "Americanism versus Communism". I flat out refused. Told them I would take no part in their propaganda class. Today that town has a major opioid crisis, worst in the state, and you guessed it, it's full of Chump supporters: the hateful, the fearful, and the near brain dead.
"The Hateful, the Fearful, and the Near Brain Dead". Sounds like a Hollywood winner to me.
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by Curly!
, Great Pacific Northwet, Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 09:50 (2528 days ago) @ Ironwood
Can we get Ennio Morricone to compose the music?
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Curly!
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by Curly!
, Great Pacific Northwet, Tuesday, December 10, 2019, 09:55 (2529 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
Right the **** on!

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Curly!
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by Canada Pete, Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 09:51 (2528 days ago) @ Curly!
I doubt this would be possible if 30 million liberals crossed the Mexican border illegally to escape D Trump.
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by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 11:04 (2528 days ago) @ Canada Pete
I doubt this would be possible if 30 million liberals crossed the Mexican border illegally to escape D Trump.
Why not? They pay taxes on everything they purchase. Even Canadians should remember the significance of "no taxation without representation" from those uppity colonials, a right conservatives are trying to deny to millions of refugees, immigrants and migrants.
Frankly, I have to laugh at the designations "liberal" and "conservative" because almost no one is exclusively one or the other but rather we are all a mixture of both.
And there are actually more people moving from the USA to Mexico than the other way around.
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by Skeet20, Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 13:46 (2528 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
More people moving to Mexico than the USA?
What is your source of fact for that statement?
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by Canada Pete, Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 16:06 (2528 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
“Why not? They pay taxes on everything they purchase. Even Canadians should remember the significance of "no taxation without representation" from those uppity colonials, a right conservatives are trying to deny to millions of refugees, immigrants and migrants
Frankly, I have to laugh at the designations "liberal" and "conservative" because almost no one is exclusively one or the other but rather we are all a mixture of both.
And there are actually more people moving from the USA to Mexico than the other way around.”
Respectfully, 80 % of Americans receive better care than Canadians, 20% don’t.
They call it collective punishment in social terms.
I agree no one is liberal or conservative, although did you fail to see the humor in it ?
I can’t find any census that agrees with your final statement, not even if you count the shelter in place policy.
Regards,
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by Quadra Paul
, British Columbia, Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 18:35 (2528 days ago) @ Canada Pete
"Respectfully, 80 % of Americans receive better care than Canadians, 20% don’t."
Well, if they're getting better care than Canadians, they are paying through the nose for it!
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by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 18:46 (2528 days ago) @ Canada Pete
Respectfully, 80 % of Americans receive better care than Canadians, 20% don’t.
They call it collective punishment in social terms.
I agree no one is liberal or conservative, although did you fail to see the humor in it ?I can’t find any census that agrees with your final statement, not even if you count the shelter in place policy.
Regards,
Not going to argue, but I believe you are mistaken about the medical care. Too many U.S. citizens can't afford health care, and health care costs in a greed-profit environment promote illness and poverty. It's shameful to see so many people living in the streets or in their vehicles because an illness and a lack of access to affordable care drove them broke.
Saludos
The little-noticed surge across the U.S.-Mexico border: It’s Americans, heading south
More people are moving from the US to Mexico than the other way around
Thousands of US migrants move south to Mexico as Trump attacks immigration
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by mcnuttja, Thursday, December 12, 2019, 10:15 (2527 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
I do get a kick out of your wealth of knowledge Rob.....The US is a collective of 50 Independent Governmental Units. Each has it's own ways to address the medical issue of those under Medicare retirement age (65).
In California, anyone can get care at a Hospital. It is illegal for the Hospital to refuse care. So, it is the poor which receive all medical care for free.
The problem is the "middle" people, those that work, have assets, but cannot afford the premiums or deductibles of insurance. And at the same time, have assets which could be lost if a Medical event were to take place. This is the group for which an answer is needed.......
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by Ironwood
, Sunday, December 15, 2019, 00:51 (2525 days ago) @ Canada Pete
Respectfully, 80 % of Americans receive better care than Canadians, 20% don’t.
I can't let that one escape without comment. By most of the measures used to evaluate the quality of a nation's health, (life expectancy, infant mortality rates, obesity, cost per patient, etc., etc.) Canada ranks higher, or "better" if you wish, than does the USA. Using your figures, the 20% who don't receive better care must be pulling down the average.....doubtful....and the 80% with allegedly better health care must be really paying through the nose for it, because US healthcare costs are among the highest in the world. I suspect that the 80% must include unionized workers who have negotiated decent health benefits from their employers. Unfortunately, the percentage of the US workforce covered by collective agreements has been dropping for years - and the first victim of the elimination of a union is the healthcare plan they had previously negotiated.

