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Residentes de Troncones

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, April 19, 2020, 14:55 (2398 days ago)

The Comisario David Rumbo is imposing a totally illegal closure of Troncones and La Majagua for a month, a hardship most families who live there should not be expected to endure. You all need to sit down with him and work out a better plan other than making the hardship we're all going through worse for the majority of families who do not have money to purchase a month of food at a time. It also hurts the families of workers who will be banned from entering Troncones. Don't let fear and ignorance cause further calamity to your community. You all need to work out something less illegal and restrictive before Tuesday.

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Residentes de Troncones

by Ernie Gorrie ⌂ @, Monday, April 20, 2020, 16:25 (2397 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

APCAT (the non-ejido property owners association) and the ejido work well together. This is part of what makes Troncones such a special place.

I under here were discussions today already and there is a plan to modify the COVID-19 response in Troncones. In recent days there has been some checkpoint that has functioned as some places (such as airline boarding, ferry boarding, seniors’ residences, etc.) in Canada and presumably in the US. People wishing access have been asked about signs or symptoms consistent with COVID-19.

If I understand correctly, APCAT will be providing handheld, non-invasive thermometers to enhance the screening for public health purposes. Some of the APCAT members have already authorized the advance of four-weeks wages for employers in case there is any break in the ability for the local property managers to have ingress or egress.

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Residentes de Troncones

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, April 20, 2020, 17:26 (2397 days ago) @ Ernie Gorrie

APCAT (the non-ejido property owners association) and the ejido work well together. This is part of what makes Troncones such a special place.

I under here were discussions today already and there is a plan to modify the COVID-19 response in Troncones. In recent days there has been some checkpoint that has functioned as some places (such as airline boarding, ferry boarding, seniors’ residences, etc.) in Canada and presumably in the US. People wishing access have been asked about signs or symptoms consistent with COVID-19.

If I understand correctly, APCAT will be providing handheld, non-invasive thermometers to enhance the screening for public health purposes. Some of the APCAT members have already authorized the advance of four-weeks wages for employers in case there is any break in the ability for the local property managers to have ingress or egress.

Thanks for the clarification, Ernie. I’ve been contacted by residents who apparently were not consulted or not in agreement with the total closure except for emergencies because not only can they not afford to go a month without entering and leaving, but the few employees they still rely on would also have been banned entry and lost wages they cannot afford to lose. I hope my call to attention had somethin to do with the rethinking of a draconian plan based on fear and ignorance.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 20:22 (2396 days ago) @ Ernie Gorrie

Turns out that fear and low information wins in Troncones. Draconian measures are being put in place.

Really? Gloves must be worn by workers from nearby villages, limited to two workers per property, and they are forbidden to stop at any store or other property or to relieve themselves except at their place of work. Draconian. At least they don't have to wear a full PPE suit.

Gloves for the garbage workers? They'd LOVE to have work gloves, but they never have. I gather the generous foreigners will be donating them, right? Are they also going to be paying the bills that people need to pay in La Unión and Zihuatanejo? Because it sure looks like everyone is being imprisoned because of fear, not health reasons.

I know several residents who are definitely not cool with this.

A filtro de salud I can understand. But this is simply draconian, and that's being kind. Folks, the idea is to slow down the spread of the virus in order not to overwhelm local medical facilities. Not isolate one group of people who will only go through later what all communities must go through. So when the rest of us will be coming off cuarentena and sending our kids back to school and opening our beaches you will still remain a high-risk and vulnerable group of "virgins" likely to suffer an even more devastating rapid outbreak from having been isolated. A late out-of-synch hot-spot posing a bigger threat to the region.

I'm sure my comments will fall on deaf ears and I'll be called all the usual dismissive pejoratives. Fear appears to have already taken a firm grip on the folks who are supporting these measures. A shame to see an entire community so freaked out. Especially one that includes people who should know better than this.

I'm curious what Mexican immunological health experts were consulted, because this is NOT what the Subsecretario de Salud del Gobierno Federal Dr. Hugo López-Gatell is recommending. This is precisely the kind of action the experts have criticized.

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The new rules below come from Comisario David Rumbo and take effect 7am Thursday morning, April 23rd, 2020.

No tourists are to enter Troncones, all rental properties should cancel any remaining reservations for the duration.

The ingress road will be chained closed from 11:00pm to 7:00am. For emergencies that require leaving Troncones between these hours, you will need to call David Rumbo: 755 559 2792.


OUTSIDERS

1) House employees from other villages. Two workers per house may enter Troncones. They must agree to go straight to and from the house they work at, and make no other stops in Troncones. They agree to wear masks, gloves and keep their physical distance from each other and anyone else they encounter.

2) Gas, Water and Garbage trucks may enter. Drivers masked, gloved and observe physical distances.

3) Other delivery trucks will have to be met at the checkpoint.


TRONCONES RESIDENTS:

1) One person per house or family, is allowed to go out one time per week for groceries or other essential reasons.

2) Residents can go out of Troncones for doctor appointments or medical emergencies as needed.


*The rules will probably be reviewed in two-week intervals.

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Las siguientes nuevas reglas provienen del Comisario David Rumbo y entran en vigencia a las 7 am del jueves 23 de abril de 2020 *

Ningún turista debe ingresar a Troncones, todas las propiedades de alquiler deben cancelar las reservas restantes durante la duración.

El camino de ingreso estará encadenado cerrado de 11:00 pm a 7:00 am. Para emergencias que requieren abandonar Troncones entre estas horas, deberá llamar a David Rumbo: 755 559 2792.


EXTERNOS

1) Empleados domésticos de otros pueblos. Dos trabajadores por casa pueden ingresar a Troncones. Deben aceptar ir y venir directamente a la casa donde trabajan, y no hacer otras paradas en Troncones. Acuerdan usar máscaras, guantes y mantener su distancia física entre sí y con cualquier otra persona que encuentren.

2) Pueden ingresar camiones de gas, agua y basura. Los conductores con cubre bocas, con guantes y cumplir distancias físicas.

3) Otros camiones de entrega deberán encontrarse en el punto de control.


RESIDENTES DE TRONCONES:

1) Se permite que una persona por casa o familia salga una vez por semana por alimentos u otras razones esenciales.

2) Los residentes pueden salir de Troncones para citas médicas o emergencias médicas según sea necesario.


* Las reglas probablemente serán revisadas en intervalos de dos semanas.

UPDATE - Residentes de Troncones

by midalake @, Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 20:56 (2396 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Turns out that fear and low information wins in Troncones. Draconian measures are being put in place.

Really? Gloves must be worn by workers from nearby villages, limited to two workers per property, and they are forbidden to stop at any store or other property or to relieve themselves except at their place of work. Draconian. At least they don't have to wear a full PPE suit.

Gloves for the garbage workers? They'd LOVE to have work gloves, but they never have. I gather the generous foreigners will be donating them, right? Are they also going to be paying the bills that people need to pay in La Unión and Zihuatanejo? Because it sure looks like everyone is being imprisoned because of fear, not health reasons.

I know several residents who are definitely not cool with this.

A filtro de salud I can understand. But this is simply draconian, and that's being kind. Folks, the idea is to slow down the spread of the virus in order not to overwhelm local medical facilities. Not isolate one group of people who will only go through later what all communities must go through. So when the rest of us will be coming off cuarentena and sending our kids back to school and opening our beaches you will still remain a high-risk and vulnerable group of "virgins" likely to suffer an even more devastating rapid outbreak from having been isolated. A late out-of-synch hot-spot posing a bigger threat to the region.

I'm sure my comments will fall on deaf ears and I'll be called all the usual dismissive pejoratives. Fear appears to have already taken a firm grip on the folks who are supporting these measures. A shame to see an entire community so freaked out. Especially one that includes people who should know better than this.

I'm curious what Mexican immunological health experts were consulted, because this is NOT what the Subsecretario de Salud del Gobierno Federal Dr. Hugo López-Gatell is recommending. This is precisely the kind of action the experts have criticized.

=================

The new rules below come from Comisario David Rumbo and take effect 7am Thursday morning, April 23rd, 2020.

No tourists are to enter Troncones, all rental properties should cancel any remaining reservations for the duration.

The ingress road will be chained closed from 11:00pm to 7:00am. For emergencies that require leaving Troncones between these hours, you will need to call David Rumbo: 755 559 2792.


OUTSIDERS

1) House employees from other villages. Two workers per house may enter Troncones. They must agree to go straight to and from the house they work at, and make no other stops in Troncones. They agree to wear masks, gloves and keep their physical distance from each other and anyone else they encounter.

2) Gas, Water and Garbage trucks may enter. Drivers masked, gloved and observe physical distances.

3) Other delivery trucks will have to be met at the checkpoint.


TRONCONES RESIDENTS:

1) One person per house or family, is allowed to go out one time per week for groceries or other essential reasons.

2) Residents can go out of Troncones for doctor appointments or medical emergencies as needed.


*The rules will probably be reviewed in two-week intervals.

Spanish

Las siguientes nuevas reglas provienen del Comisario David Rumbo y entran en vigencia a las 7 am del jueves 23 de abril de 2020 *

Ningún turista debe ingresar a Troncones, todas las propiedades de alquiler deben cancelar las reservas restantes durante la duración.

El camino de ingreso estará encadenado cerrado de 11:00 pm a 7:00 am. Para emergencias que requieren abandonar Troncones entre estas horas, deberá llamar a David Rumbo: 755 559 2792.


EXTERNOS

1) Empleados domésticos de otros pueblos. Dos trabajadores por casa pueden ingresar a Troncones. Deben aceptar ir y venir directamente a la casa donde trabajan, y no hacer otras paradas en Troncones. Acuerdan usar máscaras, guantes y mantener su distancia física entre sí y con cualquier otra persona que encuentren.

2) Pueden ingresar camiones de gas, agua y basura. Los conductores con cubre bocas, con guantes y cumplir distancias físicas.

3) Otros camiones de entrega deberán encontrarse en el punto de control.


RESIDENTES DE TRONCONES:

1) Se permite que una persona por casa o familia salga una vez por semana por alimentos u otras razones esenciales.

2) Los residentes pueden salir de Troncones para citas médicas o emergencias médicas según sea necesario.
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* Las reglas probablemente serán revisadas en intervalos de dos semanas.

Don't know what to think? Stay home, stay distant, stay safe! Michigan had a set back today in cases, I bet we are going past the Apr. 30th lock down date.

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UPDATE - Residentes de Troncones

by Paulf @, Mount Sterling, Ky 40353, Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 21:39 (2396 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Almost sounds like Michigan- if you have a summer home on a lake you can not travel to it but if coming from out of state it's ok. If you go to a box store you can only purchase certain items- people were complaining that someone was trying to buy a baby car seat at Walmart and were not able because of the rules. We can go to any store that sells food now. Kroger has Senors from 7am to 9am. Both Kroger and Lowes(surprised they are open- with a lot of being off there is a large amount of home projects being done) 1 member of the family only unless with a toddler or someone in a wheel chair. Just read where they are wanting you to order your groceries to pick up and not go in- Kroger customers by us are really using this option. It gets crazier by the day.

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by midalake @, Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 08:25 (2395 days ago) @ Paulf

Almost sounds like Michigan- if you have a summer home on a lake you can not travel to it but if coming from out of state it's ok. If you go to a box store you can only purchase certain items- people were complaining that someone was trying to buy a baby car seat at Walmart and were not able because of the rules. We can go to any store that sells food now. Kroger has Senors from 7am to 9am. Both Kroger and Lowes(surprised they are open- with a lot of being off there is a large amount of home projects being done) 1 member of the family only unless with a toddler or someone in a wheel chair. Just read where they are wanting you to order your groceries to pick up and not go in- Kroger customers by us are really using this option. It gets crazier by the day.

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by Paulf @, Mount Sterling, Ky 40353, Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 09:25 (2395 days ago) @ midalake

There are a couple of Churches that have their doors open on Sunday defying the Governors order not to. The first time the State Police wrote down the license plates- the Louisville mayor tried to stop a church having service in their parking lot and people staying in their cars, the Court System said that was going to far when you have drive up liquor stores. There was a increase, but no details if any of the protesters were involved. The highest number is coming from nursing homes. I stay home except to go to Kroger for groceries or Lowes for garden supplies(Kathie is a Master Gardner and need her plants). For you who are not in the Bible Belt- it's hard for so many not to go to their church.

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by islandgirl @, Cowichan Valley, Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 11:52 (2395 days ago) @ Paulf

I know several people who never miss a Sunday service, but now they are enjoying that service online in the comfort of their PJs. Defying the order not to gather is just plain dangerous and risks the lives of more health care workers who will have to take care of the boneheads that just won't stay home.

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by Paulf @, Mount Sterling, Ky 40353, Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 16:02 (2395 days ago) @ islandgirl

I totally agree with you.Kathie is Catholic and she really misses the Rituals of the Catholic Church- but is holding out.

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by zulualpha, Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 10:54 (2395 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Yesterday Mexico entered "Phase 3" of the coronavirus pandemic. This means, according to the health experts, that the spread of Covid-19 throughout the country is now general.The entry of Phase 3 coincided with the nation´s highest yet daily death toll--145 dead in 24 hours.

So isn´t it a bit extreme to declare that Troncones residents are acting out of fear? Most of us are, and I can´t imagine why folks out at Troncones would be any different. Measures they are taking are "draconian?" Maybe, but surely that´s their call--they live there.

I agree with your point that the pursuit of an isolated, "virgin" community may come back to bite Troncones in the end, when the virus will eventually infiltrate the area and have its way with residents. Then THEY will be a threat to the greater Zihua community, which by then will have developed that degree of "herd immunity" experts talk about.

That will be the time to put a chain across the Troncones entrance, to keep those folks IN!