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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, November 28, 2020, 21:24 (2176 days ago)


https://youtu.be/qL7b1MFAvjc

As of today Zihuatanejo has registered a cumulative total of 1,505 confirmed cases of Covid-19 (2 more than yesterday), 118 that have resulted in fatalities. My other data sources haven't been updated so I don't know how many active cases or approximate recoveries there are. It does appear that many locals are using facemasks but not so many tourists. More testing is being done than before in some Mexican cities, so case numbers are going up. Querétaro and CDMX have some saturated hospitals, but as far as I know we're still okay locally as well as in most of the nation. Acapulco is having difficulties, but the Costa Grande seems to be doing okay. If you travel the road between here and Acapulco you'll see all the vendors in the small villages along the way who sell fruits, cocos, hamacas and sea salt all wearing facemasks. Even the folks in Petatlán and Coyuca de Benitez seem to be mostly wearing facemasks the times I've passed through there recently.

Downtown bars are still closing at 11:00 PM, so residents and visitors at any downtown posadas are enjoying peaceful nights. Hopefully it will stay like this. Let the late night bars have their Zona de Tolerancia outside of the Centro or even in Ixtapa, though they should be enclosed spaces only so that neighbors are not affected by the noise.

It looks like the construction project of our waterfront and its plazas is going to drag on through the holidays, hurting what little tourism with spending power that we get, because frankly no one wants to dine or shop in a construction zone. Gee, thank you Mr. Mayor! We love all the dust and noise... NOT! Bummer. If it weren't for politicians... [fill in the blanks]

Our perfect weather continues. Man oh man are we lucky!

Thanks to these hard working folks for helping to keep many of us fed!
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by Leemr @, Saturday, November 28, 2020, 22:44 (2176 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Repairing the damaged nets. . . . now that's a skill !!

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by midalake @, Sunday, November 29, 2020, 12:02 (2175 days ago) @ Leemr
edited by midalake, Sunday, November 29, 2020, 12:14

Repairing the damaged nets. . . . now that's a skill !!


A better skill, would not be using those nets that catch and kill everything that enters it! ;-) As gill nets do!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, November 29, 2020, 12:17 (2175 days ago) @ midalake

Repairing the damaged nets. . . . now that's a skill !!

A better skill would not be using those nets that catch and kill everything that enters it! ;-) As gill nets do!

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While I'm no fan of these nets, these guys aren't the ones doing the ecological damage. Most panga fishermen here aren't even working because there's so little demand. It's the "industrial" fishing vessels and fleets that keep the inland restaurants, markets and stores full of seafood. And it's the desire for fish such as grouper (mero) in Florida and the Gulf states, a fish that is one of the very few that eats the invasive lionfish taking over the Caribbean and that is a slow-growing fish. Frankly, I'm surprised there are any left.

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by midalake @, Sunday, November 29, 2020, 12:24 (2175 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Repairing the damaged nets. . . . now that's a skill !!

A better skill would not be using those nets that catch and kill everything that enters it! ;-) As gill nets do!

D


While I'm no fan of these nets, these guys aren't the ones doing the ecological damage. Most panga fishermen here aren't even working because there's so little demand. It's the "industrial" fishing vessels and fleets that keep the inland restaurants, markets and stores full of seafood. And it's the desire for fish such as grouper (mero) in Florida and the Gulf states, a fish that is one of the very few that eats the invasive lionfish taking over the Caribbean and that is a slow-growing fish. Frankly, I'm surprised there are any left.

The oceans are in crisis. All one has to do is follow what China is doing with their fishing fleets.

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by Quadra Paul @, British Columbia, Sunday, November 29, 2020, 12:31 (2175 days ago) @ midalake

You can in fact control what you catch with a gillnet by varying the size of the web. A larger size would allow some fish to swim through etc. In BC fishermen will change nets depending on what they are fishing for. So it is possible to be responsible and sustainable!

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by midalake @, Sunday, November 29, 2020, 12:41 (2175 days ago) @ Quadra Paul
edited by midalake, Sunday, November 29, 2020, 12:50

You can in fact control what you catch with a gillnet by varying the size of the web. A larger size would allow some fish to swim through etc. In BC fishermen will change nets depending on what they are fishing for. So it is possible to be responsible and sustainable!

Oh, someone who is going to educate me on fishing...lol.

Gill nets placed as you speak above at certain depths where really only one or two species of fish hang out is a good cause.

But nets placed here in Mexico where literally hundreds of species of fish roam and many not having a paying market or edible leaves untold and unnecessary fish kill.

PERIOD!

How do fish die in a gill net? [from google]

Stress levels continued to rise the longer the fish were in the net, even after 12 hours. 28% of the fish died in the net, probably from suffocation caused by constriction of the gills. Another 16% died following release, having incurred open wounds.

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by Quadra Paul @, British Columbia, Sunday, November 29, 2020, 15:16 (2175 days ago) @ midalake

Oh, so you know all there is to know about fishing? My guess is that your experience is limited to sport fishing. All very nice but hardly covering the full spectrum of knowledge! Anybody who leaves a gillnet "soaking" for 12 hours is one who is not the slightest bit interested in releasing anything!

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by midalake @, Sunday, November 29, 2020, 15:43 (2175 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

Oh, so you know all there is to know about fishing? My guess is that your experience is limited to sport fishing. All very nice but hardly covering the full spectrum of knowledge! Anybody who leaves a gillnet "soaking" for 12 hours is one who is not the slightest bit interested in releasing anything!

They put those gill nets down before dark and come back the next day. How many hours is that?? I have witnessed them do this hundreds of times! All in the same zone 100's of fish species inhabit.

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by Quadra Paul @, British Columbia, Sunday, November 29, 2020, 18:19 (2175 days ago) @ midalake

I rest my case!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, November 29, 2020, 12:47 (2175 days ago) @ midalake

Repairing the damaged nets. . . . now that's a skill !!

A better skill would not be using those nets that catch and kill everything that enters it! ;-) As gill nets do!

D


While I'm no fan of these nets, these guys aren't the ones doing the ecological damage. Most panga fishermen here aren't even working because there's so little demand. It's the "industrial" fishing vessels and fleets that keep the inland restaurants, markets and stores full of seafood. And it's the desire for fish such as grouper (mero) in Florida and the Gulf states, a fish that is one of the very few that eats the invasive lionfish taking over the Caribbean and that is a slow-growing fish. Frankly, I'm surprised there are any left.


The oceans are in crisis. All one has to do is follow what China is doing with their fishing fleets.

Why not follow what the USA's doing with their own fishing fleets? They aren't exactly innocent bystanders or any kind of vanguard. Folks should try to eat meats from their own region instead of from thousands of miles away. I never understood why Floridians need to eat Alaskan King Crab or why lobster and shrimp need to be available hundreds of miles from the ocean. It's a shame we kill any animal for commerce and consumption.

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Monday, November 30, 2020, 07:12 (2174 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

The pandemic and to a much greater extent, climate change is going to force us humans into rethinking a whole lot of fundamentals. Not the least of which is how we produce and distribute food.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, November 30, 2020, 09:25 (2174 days ago) @ mindpilot

The pandemic and to a much greater extent, climate change is going to force us humans into rethinking a whole lot of fundamentals. Not the least of which is how we produce and distribute food.

Yeah, I think that message got pretty much lost among the competing chaos.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Monday, November 30, 2020, 14:52 (2174 days ago) @ mindpilot

The pandemic and to a much greater extent, climate change is going to force us humans into rethinking a whole lot of fundamentals. Not the least of which is how we produce and distribute food.

The diet that produces the lowest carbon footprint and uses the least amount of water is a plant-based diet. It's also happens to be the healthiest diet. Check out www.nutritionfacts.org.

For all of you meat-hungry fans living in Zihuatanejo, check out the cheeseburgers at Entre Zankas in downtown Zihua. You will be pleasantly surprised at the taste of some of the plant-based alternatives to meat.

Okay, ready for the slings and arrows!

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by Casa Juan @, Monday, November 30, 2020, 16:22 (2174 days ago) @ Padrino

what is the cost of the plant based cheese burgers at the restaurant in Zihua?

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by frostbite @, Hamilton MT, Monday, November 30, 2020, 16:35 (2174 days ago) @ Casa Juan

I bought some vegetable-based hamburger some time ago here in Montana and found it quite edible. Not that impressed with the price, however; twice as much as ground meat.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Monday, November 30, 2020, 18:06 (2174 days ago) @ Casa Juan

what is the cost of the plant based cheese burgers at the restaurant in Zihua?

Here is their menu: https://www.facebook.com/EntreZankas/menu

The burger as of 30-November-2020 is $115 pesos.

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by Casa Juan @, Monday, November 30, 2020, 19:50 (2174 days ago) @ Padrino

not a bad price, though the Mexican Carl's Jr Big Combo burger is advertised for $84 pesos. I know its more than the price.

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by Eric Bullard, Monday, November 30, 2020, 17:17 (2174 days ago) @ Padrino

No slings and arrows here, Padrino. Beef and the raising of cattle is one of the biggest issues in the health (cholesterol, etc.) and global warming (destroying the amazon to breed more cattle) crisis's we are facing today in the world!

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by Quadra Paul @, British Columbia, Monday, November 30, 2020, 18:59 (2174 days ago) @ Eric Bullard

Not to mention the methane produced in large quantities by feed lots!

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by Padrino ⌂ @, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Monday, November 30, 2020, 20:32 (2174 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

Not to mention the methane produced in large quantities by feed lots!

The statistic that I find the hardest to believe is the amount of water needed to create one pound of beef. The numbers range from 441 gallons from the beef industry to over 12,000 gallons by a prominent professor. The numbers most reasonably quoted by reputable sources range from 1,800 to 2,500 gallons. Still shocking.

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by victorio, Monday, November 30, 2020, 20:27 (2174 days ago) @ Padrino
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The pandemic and to a much greater extent, climate change is going to force us humans into rethinking a whole lot of fundamentals. Not the least of which is how we produce and distribute food.


The diet that produces the lowest carbon footprint and uses the least amount of water is a plant-based diet. It's also happens to be the healthiest diet. Check out www.nutritionfacts.org.

For all of you meat-hungry fans living in Zihuatanejo, check out the cheeseburgers at Entre Zankas in downtown Zihua. You will be pleasantly surprised at the taste of some of the plant-based alternative to meat.

Okay, ready for the slings and arrows!

Hola
Now let's hear from a carnivore.
Most "tastes just like beef" products are made from processed soy,(not going to list references because they are easy to find). The processing destroys a lot of the nutrients. To make them taste like beef, they are loaded with a lot of chemicals. I checked out one fake beef burger and the list of additives was more than 20. That coupled with fact that soy is loaded with phytoestrogens, make them undesirable for me. Phytoestrogens are hormone mimicers and are not good.
I could go on, but that is enough.

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by Ironwood @, Monday, November 30, 2020, 21:31 (2174 days ago) @ victorio

The pandemic and to a much greater extent, climate change is going to force us humans into rethinking a whole lot of fundamentals. Not the least of which is how we produce and distribute food.


The diet that produces the lowest carbon footprint and uses the least amount of water is a plant-based diet. It's also happens to be the healthiest diet. Check out www.nutritionfacts.org.

For all of you meat-hungry fans living in Zihuatanejo, check out the cheeseburgers at Entre Zankas in downtown Zihua. You will be pleasantly surprised at the taste of some of the plant-based alternative to meat.

Okay, ready for the slings and arrows!


Hola
Now let's hear from a carnivore.
Most "tastes just like beef" products are made from processed soy,(not going to list references because they are easy to find). The processing destroys a lot of the nutrients. To make them taste like beef, they are loaded with a lot of chemicals. I check out one fake beef burger and the list of additives was more than 20. That coupled with fact that soy is loaded with phytoestrogens, make them undesirable for me. Phytoestrogens are hormone mimicers and are not good.
I could go on, but that is enough.

I'm with you, Victor.

By the way, in this business world of mergers, buy-outs and acquisitions, two big companies, one in retail housewares, the other in the meat substitute business, have merged. The new company is called Bed, Bath & Beyond Meat.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Tuesday, December 01, 2020, 18:12 (2173 days ago) @ victorio

Hola
Now let's hear from a carnivore.
Most "tastes just like beef" products are made from processed soy,(not going to list references because they are easy to find). The processing destroys a lot of the nutrients. To make them taste like beef, they are loaded with a lot of chemicals. I checked out one fake beef burger and the list of additives was more than 20. That coupled with fact that soy is loaded with phytoestrogens, make them undesirable for me. Phytoestrogens are hormone mimicers and are not good.

Agreed! Meat substitutes like Impassable Beef and Beneath Meat scare the bejeezus out of me. Who knows what is inside them!? And the current meat substitutes don't even try to pretend that they are healthy. They say they are "healthier" than beef. That is setting the bar pretty darn low.

This is why places such as Entre Zankas are so important. They don't try to imitate meat; they aim to surpass meat. They offer an alternative to meat that is delightfully disarming and delicious. "I didn't know plant-based / vegan food could taste so good!" is what you hear people say. They use seeds, nuts, whole grains, legumes, and vegetables to make dishes that have similar textures to meat but are far tastier and far healthier.

We are know that climate change is going to change our lives in many different ways. One of them will be our food supply. It is only a matter of time.

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by frostbite @, Hamilton MT, Monday, November 30, 2020, 10:52 (2174 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

We discovered Alaska King Crab in Alaska many years ago. Now that we live in Montana, it's still or most favorite dish for Thanksgiving. But this year's crab dinner might very well have been our last; US$27.00 per pound at Costco!

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by Casa Juan @, Monday, November 30, 2020, 11:14 (2174 days ago) @ frostbite

Wonder if the Cosco crab was packed on a Russian or Chinese ship?

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by jay @, Monday, November 30, 2020, 11:50 (2174 days ago) @ frostbite
edited by jay, Monday, November 30, 2020, 12:04

I bought Dungeness crab in Newport OR a month ago. $40/lb and the stuff was flying out of there. They could barely keep up. Very good, but yikes!!!

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by Cole, Monday, November 30, 2020, 18:03 (2174 days ago) @ jay

Jay the Southbeach market in Newport has the freshest seafood in town but it isn't cheap.