Semáforo Rojo Restrictions
by ZihuaRob 
, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, August 09, 2021, 11:10 (1920 days ago)
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Semáforo Rojo Restrictions
by Craig AKA the cruise ship guy , Monday, August 09, 2021, 13:18 (1920 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
Thank you for posting this. Won’t stop us from coming in October and hopefully things will be better by then. My place of employment is mandating being vaccinated by September 30th. Hopefully more will be doing the same as you don’t need a bunch of unvaccinated tourists bringing in Covid.
Semáforo Rojo Restrictions
I, like everyone, get somewhat confused by all the info going around about Covid 19. That being said, I currently believe that a vaccinated person can still be a carrier of the virus and pass it to others. The benefit of the vaccine is that it keeps you from getting sick or from getting very sick. Maybe I am wrong now as it has been a while since I read about that.
Semáforo Rojo Restrictions
by ZihuaRob , Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, August 11, 2021, 18:09 (1918 days ago) @ Dalejb
I, like everyone, get somewhat confused by all the info going around about Covid 19. That being said, I currently believe that a vaccinated person can still be a carrier of the virus and pass it to others. The benefit of the vaccine is that it keeps you from getting sick or from getting very sick. Maybe I am wrong now as it has been a while since I read about that.
I'll leave it to the medical experts to correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that a vaccinated person is less likely to BE a carrier, though they can indeed be asymptomatic or have the virus on some exterior part of their person.
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by Timmac , Steilacoom, WA, Wednesday, August 11, 2021, 18:55 (1918 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
The viral load in vaccinated people is much higher with Delta than with the other variants, even in asymptomatic people, so that the thought is that vaccinated people can indeed transmit it. I’ve not seen actual numbers. That said, at least in the states around 95% of those hospitalized are unvaccinated. I think the takeaway is to mask up and to avoid being in groups and indoors,as much as possible. We are off to Baltimore tomorrow for an engagement party. We don’t plan on eating in indoor restaurants and will mask up in groups. The party is small and all attendees are vaccinated. The wedding is in October in St. Louis, if there are unvaccinated people at the wedding, we won’t be going.
Semáforo Rojo Restrictions
by ZihuaRob , Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, August 11, 2021, 20:01 (1918 days ago) @ Timmac
The viral load in vaccinated people is much higher with Delta than with the other variants, even in asymptomatic people, so that the thought is that vaccinated people can indeed transmit it. I’ve not seen actual numbers. That said, at least in the states around 95% of those hospitalized are unvaccinated. I think the takeaway is to mask up and to avoid being in groups and indoors,as much as possible. We are off to Baltimore tomorrow for an engagement party. We don’t plan on eating in indoor restaurants and will mask up in groups. The party is small and all attendees are vaccinated. The wedding is in October in St. Louis, if there are unvaccinated people at the wedding, we won’t be going.
Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but the "viral load" refers to the amount of potentially spreadable virus of someone who is infected with the virus, asymptomatic or not. In other words, they would have to be infected, and they would most likely, but not necessarily, present some symptoms. Someone not infected would have no viral load, and whatever they physically carry on their exterior would be unlikely to infect anyone unless they had physical contact with someone who, say, wiped their mouth with the virus they picked up from the physical contact.
So can we stop washing everything we bring home from the store? The soapy water ruins the dulce. 
Semáforo Rojo Restrictions
by Timmac , Steilacoom, WA, Wednesday, August 11, 2021, 22:48 (1918 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
I’m not sure of the percentage of breakthrough infections are asymptomatic. The viral lode seems to be about the same in both symptomatic and asymptomatic patients. It is around 1000 time higher, with the virus itself being much more infective.
Most of the surface disinfection that was encouraged early on has been shown to be “Covid theater.” Very few cases are thought to be spread by contact. If you’re really serious about it, N-95 or KN-95 masks are much effective. Other masks help some. Gaiters and face shields provide hardly any protection.
Semáforo Rojo Restrictions
And speaking of "covid theater" I would guess that more than 95% of those out and about who are wearing masks don't have on that is an N-95 or KN-95. But hey, it makes those around them feel better.
while you are correct, with the exception of gaitors and face shields, any covering will decrease the odds at least q bit.
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by Timmac , Steilacoom, WA, Wednesday, August 11, 2021, 18:57 (1918 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
Transmission is aerosol, it is extremely unlikely, but not impossible, that you get it from other contact.
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Please explain that to the local restaurants who will not give me a menu.
Semáforo Rojo Restrictions
by ZihuaRob , Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, August 13, 2021, 10:56 (1916 days ago) @ Yandosan
Please explain that to the local restaurants who will not give me a menu.
They are just trying to do everything possible they can think of to minimize contact and the potential for contagion. Please respect their efforts.
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by Talley Ho , Playa la Ropa, Friday, August 13, 2021, 10:57 (1916 days ago) @ Yandosan
Just tell them that you don't have a phone and they will provide you with a menu. It works for us everywhere.
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by Little Guy , Friday, August 13, 2021, 19:08 (1916 days ago) @ Yandosan
Please explain that to the local restaurants who will not give me a menu.
Maybe they recognize you from this posting.
this time I gave no tip
http://www.zihuatanejo.net/tablero/messages/153454.html
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by Talley Ho , Playa la Ropa, Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:27 (1916 days ago) @ Little Guy
We live here and eat breakfast out 3 or 4 times a week. Conditions permitting, we spend 3 hours working out and need a shower and food FAST! Other meals we cook, because we love to.
Some restaurants have laminated menus that are wiped down between use. Trust me, we watch. A very few others, Carmelita's and El Patio come to mind, that point to the code thing that take a smarter phone that ours.
At El Patio, we just said, "No tenemos un telefono," and a menu immediately appeared, and when we have visited since, they always bring us one, unless we say we don't need one, we know what we want. Their French Toast is amazing!
At Carmelita's, where we go to have the car cleaned out and washed, they roll over a huge board that has a menu on it. Great!
It is a great way to try to keep contact to the minimum, but they do work with the system. For us it has always been easy.
Relax, enjoy. Life is great, just be respectful of others.
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by midalake , Saturday, August 14, 2021, 09:55 (1915 days ago) @ Talley Ho
We live here and eat breakfast out 3 or 4 times a week. Conditions permitting, we spend 3 hours working out and need a shower and food FAST! Other meals we cook, because we love to.
Some restaurants have laminated menus that are wiped down between use. Trust me, we watch. A very few others, Carmelita's and El Patio come to mind, that point to the code thing that take a smarter phone that ours.
At El Patio, we just said, "No tenemos un telefono," and a menu immediately appeared, and when we have visited since, they always bring us one, unless we say we don't need one, we know what we want. Their French Toast is amazing!
At Carmelita's, where we go to have the car cleaned out and washed, they roll over a huge board that has a menu on it. Great!
It is a great way to try to keep contact to the minimum, but they do work with the system. For us it has always been easy.
Relax, enjoy. Life is great, just be respectful of others.
So it seems like pushing you to have a smart phone is more common than ever. Is there a law that states one is required to have a smart phone?
I say this because flying out yesterday I was prompted to scan something with my phone for the CDC. I said sorry no phone. I also saw this in Mexico City at the gate before getting on the plane there. This maybe be something else they are rolling out??
Also the airport had no air conditioning yesterday. Also-2 some geniuses decided to put some stainless steel into the floor as guidance on where to go. Example from the ticket counters to security check-in. Enjoy having your roller luggage not roll any more.
Stay tuned.
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Seriously Dave? You don't have a smart phone, but you have a metal detector?
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by midalake , Sunday, August 15, 2021, 14:22 (1914 days ago) @ catlover
Seriously Dave? You don't have a smart phone, but you have a metal detector?
That is correct. I do not get cell phone service where I live.
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Ya, I know what you mean. I don't own a car cause there's no gas stations up here. We're thinking about getting inside plumbing next year.
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by Little Guy , Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 00:56 (1913 days ago) @ catlover
Ya, I know what you mean. I don't own a car cause there's no gas stations up here. We're thinking about getting inside plumbing next year.
The solutions are simple.
Electric car.
Electric toilet.
Solar panels.
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by frostbite , Hamilton MT, Saturday, August 14, 2021, 14:36 (1915 days ago) @ midalake
Also-2 some geniuses decided to put some stainless steel into the floor as guidance on where to go. Example from the ticket counters to security check-in. Enjoy having your roller luggage not roll any more.
Explanation, please.
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by Ironwood , Saturday, August 14, 2021, 15:24 (1915 days ago) @ midalake
So it seems like pushing you to have a smart phone is more common than ever. Is there a law that states one is required to have a smart phone?
I'm with you. Our federal gov't is considering a national vaccine passport, which would apparently be accessed from ones smart phone.
I, and reportedly 25% of adult Canadians, neither own, nor plan to own a smart phone. A substantial portion of that 25% would be retirees, many of whom travel regularly. Hope we don't get lost in the tech revolution.
Canada’s Vaccination Passport
by Little Guy , Sunday, August 15, 2021, 00:27 (1915 days ago) @ Ironwood
Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc said the government expects the credentials to be digital but will also make it available for those without access to a device.
Canada’s Vaccination Passport
by Ironwood , Sunday, August 15, 2021, 13:54 (1914 days ago) @ Little Guy
Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc said the government expects the credentials to be digital but will also make it available for those without access to a device.
Thanks for the link. I wonder what Quebec will do for those without smartphones.
Interesting to note Alberta's Jason Kenney's predictable knee-jerk reaction to anything reasonable. No wonder Canadian conservatives dropped any pretense of being "progressive."
Canada’s Vaccination Passport
by Little Guy , Sunday, August 15, 2021, 14:09 (1914 days ago) @ Ironwood
Thanks for the link. I wonder what Quebec will do for those without smartphones.
Free smart phones for everyone age 12 and over? 
Canada’s Progressive Passport
by Lalo , Sunday, August 15, 2021, 15:43 (1914 days ago) @ Little Guy
Now that's progressive.
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by The Fez , Friday, August 20, 2021, 19:18 (1909 days ago) @ Ironwood
So it seems like pushing you to have a smart phone is more common than ever. Is there a law that states one is required to have a smart phone?
I'm with you. Our federal gov't is considering a national vaccine passport, which would apparently be accessed from ones smart phone.
I, and reportedly 25% of adult Canadians, neither own, nor plan to own a smart phone. A substantial portion of that 25% would be retirees, many of whom travel regularly. Hope we don't get lost in the tech revolution.
Your sources are incorrect. Cellphone ownership adults Canada
